Children, delegates urge governor to veto Utah illegal immigrations bills

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  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    March 11, 2011 11:34 a.m.


    Way to not address my key points or others such as the fact that you show no compassion to those who can't come to this country due to the illegal population.
    I'm sorry but the problem is larger than what you make it. California is effected negatively and there are studies to show it. They just aren't widely reported because there is a biased in the media towards the pro illegal immigration types. This bias is driven by the liberals who see a political advantage by making illegals legal voters and by the Conservatives who are funded by big business which see's the illegals as slave labor.

    Your desire to see enforcement squashed and amnesty given only go to perpetuate the problems that you choose to deny.

    We need to get control of our house before we go and start trying to help others in theirs. A simple principle, which if not followed, will only lead to the downfall of this great nation. At that point we won't have the ability to show compassion to anyone.

  • positiverealist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2011 10:24 a.m.

    It is not realistic to send these US Citizen children back with their parents. Case and Point: In Guatemala the Guatemalan Government charges US Citizens $34 per month after they have been in the Country for more than 90 days. These people make $60 to $100 per month and a family with 3 US Citizen Children would then owe the Government more than they can make in a month making it impossible to take their children back home with them. They will leave their US Citizen children in the US and we will have to pay to take care of these displaced kids. When the Southern UT ICE raid happened it overwhelmed the foster care system with arrests from just two factories, imagine a mass deportation not only would we not get property taxes from 4 million homes we would loose over 300 billion in money they make and spend within the country and we would have to care for all the displaced kids they leave behind. Not a good plan. We need to look for reasonable solutions for these issues. Unlawful Presence is only a Civil Infraction not criminal. If they are caught crossing it is criminal

  • tiger1 New York, NY
    March 10, 2011 1:54 p.m.

    To legalimmigrant | 4:03 p.m. March 9, 2011
    My family and relatives came here legally too, but we do not turn our backs on the undocumented or trash them like some fraud eminences do on this blog.
    Some of the people who say they came here legally are a lazy and a pain, and take advantage of the system. There are lots of those everywhere. Are they better people than the hard working illegals just because of a green card?
    People who were fortunate to arrive here legally most probably have to thank someone preceeding him or her who came here "illegally".
    If the system has not reached out yet to an immigrants' solution, we have to push harder for a viable answer to bring the undocumented out of the shadows and into the fold.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    March 10, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    Hunt, I see I got your attention, even though you've promised not to notice my posts any more. Facts are, in spite of your denial, Utah and California economies are not significantly negatively affected by illegal immigrants. As to your question of my personal helping of those less fortunate, I do, and I do until it's a strain financially. What do you do Hunt, besides chase poor refugees into jail? I find your type of compassion devoid of real compassion. Get your glasses on and read my posts again, I'm consistently for helping our friends from south of the border, I'm consistently noticing the relative opulence of our economy when compared with the plight of the poor, and I purposely don't notice whether the poor have a green card.

    Mexicans, central American, south Americans, Canadians, these are our neighbors, we ought to treat them like the friends they are. Try it, Hunt. Try it, you other self protective and self absorbed posters.

    C'mon, guv, sign the guest worker bill.
    And trash Sandstrom's enforcement only bill.

  • GopNoMore Grantsville, Utah
    March 9, 2011 7:55 p.m.

    2SHB 116
    2011 General Session of the 59th Legislature

    Guest Worker Program Act
    FEBRUARY 23, 2011 Lockhart

    YEAS - 43

    Anderson Dee Hutchings Powell
    Arent Draxler Kiser Richardson
    Barrus Duckworth, S Litvack Sagers
    Bird Edwards McIff Seelig
    Biskupski Fisher, Janice Menlove Vickers
    Briscoe Fisher, Julie Moss Webb
    Brown, D Galvez Painter Wheatley
    Butterfield Handy Perry Wiley
    Christensen Harper Peterson, J Wright
    Cosgrove Hemingway Peterson, V Lockhart
    Daw Hendrickson Poulson

    NAYS - 28

    Chavez-Houck Grover Mathis Sandstrom
    Clark Herrod Newbold Sanpei
    Cox Hughes Nielson Sumsion
    Dunnigan Ipson Noel Watkins
    Eliason Ivory Oda Wilcox
    Gibson King Pitcher Wilson
    Greenwood Last Ray Wimmer


    Brown, M Dougall Froerer Morley

    3SHB 116
    3/04/2011 6:05:47 PM
    Utah Immigration Accountability and Enforcement


    YEAS 21
    Adams Jenkins Niederhauser Valentine
    Bramble Jones Okerlund Van Tassell
    Buttars Knudson Reid Waddoups
    Christensen Mayne Robles
    Davis McAdams Stephenson, H.
    Hillyard Morgan Stevenson, J.

    NAYS 7
    Dayton Liljenquist Romero Urquhart
    Hinkins Madsen Thatcher

    ABSENT 1

  • GopNoMore Grantsville, Utah
    March 9, 2011 7:30 p.m.

    The voters of this state must send a vary clear message any lawmaker responsible for hb116 or any other amnesty bill, will lose their job. I have been a GOP state delegate and am currently a county delegate; and I have never been so disgusted by my government. Unfortunately the main player behind this atrocity is not just my legislator but also my church, as they have led the efforts to pass this bill. Below is the list of legislators and how they voted on hb116, please let them know how you feel. On a side note if we are in the business of defying federal law, how about a bill exempting Utah citizens from paying federal income tax. How is it that the most conservative state in the union now has the most liberal immigration policy?

  • Bowman Lompoc, CA
    March 9, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    Compassion for immigrants? There are 4 million legal immigrants stuck outside the USA right now, waiting years and decades in long lines created by illegal alien amnesties. Thousands of them die every year before setting foot in the USA. This Utah amnesty bill will if anything make them wait longer.

    You have NO compassion for immigrants.

  • Happy77 Bountiful, UT
    March 9, 2011 4:43 p.m.

    Gov Herbert sign HB116!! We want it here in Utah because we are different and have more compassion for immigrants than other states. Hooray for Reid, Wright, Herbert, and our attorney general.

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    March 9, 2011 4:33 p.m.

    Ubelievable how despicable these illegals and open border advocates are that they would use CHILDREN to further their political agenda, which is to promote lawlessness.

    Yesterday I wrote the governor saying that he will lose the votes of myself as well as many others like me if he votes for HB 116 (amnesty for illegals), and I urged him not to let Utah become a magnet state for illegals like California currently is.

    Every one of us who are concerned about Utah becoming a bankrupt gang-banger ridden state like California also need to write or call the governor and make your voices heard BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.

  • legalimmigrant Springville, Utah
    March 9, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    @dave4197 - wow, your 'compassion' blinds your common sense. I have mentioned this before, I am Latino but I am also a proud legal immigrant in this great country. I had to follow the rules to get my green card. Would you explain to me why these people should be treated differently? This sounds like discrimination to me. And let me tell you who the real racists are. Another Latino told me the other day that I should be ashamed for turning my back on my own people. I told him that people who break the law are not my people. Should I support the illegals just because they are Latino like myself? This, my friend, is the most racist thing I have ever heard in my life.

  • Bowman Lompoc, CA
    March 9, 2011 4:02 p.m.

    Why do you only want Latino immigrants? There are 4 billion people in the world poorer than the average Mexican, and 1 billion of them would like to move to the USA. Where is your compassion for them? You are very racist and uncompassionate, favoring Latinos over the desperately more needy elsewhere in the world.

  • Bowman Lompoc, CA
    March 9, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    I live in California. Please sign this bill, since it will entice at least 1 million illegals to leave California for Utah, then we will be able balance our state budget without tax increases.

    Thanks Utah for taking all these tax parasites off our hands.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    March 9, 2011 2:31 p.m.


    California is close to bankruptcy due to the welfare state it has created. No study will show the extent of the harm as the illegals are either using their US born children or stolen identities to obtain welfare and thus next to impossible to track. Even the numbers I've given you are only based on an educated guess. Besides arguing for government mandated compassion, what charitable things have you done to help the less fortunate? The Social Justice types are very adept at figuring out ways to hand out other peoples money which in my book is not so compassionate. True compassion is voluntary, not coerced or forced. The government should be more concerned about protecting the interest of it's citizens, not passing laws that hurt them.

    Your constant accusations of hate are old hat and untrue. The shame tactics don't work and scream of an argument that is devoid of fact or logic. As far as un-American goes, your compassion for illegals at the expense of U.S. Citizens is the only un-American thing I'm reading in these posts.

  • gogogoff Orem, UT
    March 9, 2011 2:17 p.m.

    We need a AZ style bill.

    We will remember this come next election!

  • lawenforcementfromAZ Glendale, AZ
    March 9, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    Can someone please tell me why, in Arizona, our legislators finally understood the problem with illegal immigration, listened to their constituents and enacted appropriate legislation, but in Utah it appears the legislators are totally deaf to those who put them in office and to what is happening to schools, welfare, crime, etc.

  • Happy77 Bountiful, UT
    March 9, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    Finally!! I hope the Gov will sign HB116, this is the only realistic option. Don't hate but be great.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington DC, MD
    March 9, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    Our first priority should be to the legal residents.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    March 9, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    Drifter, nobody can see, or read in your post, any compassion. You ask when does compassion end, I say never, you point out that you've never started to have any compassion. Try compassion for the less fortunate, Drifter, it'll do your soul some good.
    Hunt, although I'm living in California, I have lived in Salt Lake (Utah), graduated from college in Utah (U of U), I pay some taxes in Utah, and I can name 4 generations back who lived in Salt Lake (including 2 immigrant pioneer families). And, fyi, California is not going bankrupt because of illegal immigrants, (neither is Utah), that's documented (no pun intended) by several researchers in and out of gov't. I'll continue to point out, in the DN, on the subject of latino immigration, there's way too much hate and selfishnes from the anglos / gringos, the hate is unAmerican, the bad attitudes need to change.
    Bienvenidos, amigos. Welcome to our friends and neighbors from south of the border. Our gov'ts should make a more open door instead of the presently slammed door, instead of the present near impossible process to enter.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    LEGAL Utah residents DO NOT support the "Utah Compact".

    If Shurtleff would like to take a mid-week getaway to D.C. to lobby for it, could he ask La Raza to pay his travel fees?

  • CB Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2011 10:56 a.m.

    I find it interesting that there are those who think that they can do something better than anyone else, though it has been tried and failed time and again.
    Why do those on Capitol hill think that they can cure this 'disease' by ignoring the fact that it has been medicated and pampered endlessly. The cure is to 'isolate' and keep it from spreading. This law is an invitation to spread the 'disease' which will infect and infest our culture and state. Please Veto!

  • Sqweebie Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2011 10:52 a.m.

    Guess it is time for me to move back to the "United States" as Utah seems to be a country unto itself. The "official" language of Utah is spanish not english.

  • Kimball Bakersfield, CA
    March 9, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    A limit has to be set. People have to accept consequences for their behavior. Rationalizations will lead to disaster and are not good for anyone. Take each case on its own merits.

  • Drifter Provo, UT
    March 9, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    For crying out loud. Where does compassion end and common sense begin? Haven't I, as a taxpayer, shown enough compassion for illegals? These people sneak into my country, steal my Identity, which costs me thousands of dollar$ to repair, and they want my compassion. Where is the compassion for the Legal Taxpayer? Who, by the way, are decreasing in number as jobs decrease because of illegals being hired at cut rate pay. Where is the common sense in this whole thing?? Why should Legal taxpayers have to suffer?? Why??

  • David808 Ogden, Utah
    March 9, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    What a deal! Utah just became a sanctuary state. But it is so racist, I live in China and 100 million Chinese that want the same deal, sneak into Utah play it cool for two years. Of course, I am not going to get in any trouble or commit any crime no matter how much I have done it in the past.I will attend church a few times and make some friends get some people to feel sorry for me, tell them I can do some missionary work back in China. Then bop on down to my local work permit office, I am home free. Now funny thing it does not say anything on the work permit about how I can only do low level jobs so I (and my friends) are going after good jobs. So the guy that cleans the library, he gets 20 bucks an hour the city is short money so I will go after his job. I do not care that he was born in Utah and has three kids. I will do that job for ten bucks an hour. Now if we can just figure a way to get into Mexico.

  • RShackleford Saint George, UT
    March 9, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    ""We won't support the governor if he signs the bill. We won't support him in an election. We won't support him in a convention,""

    Add me to that list of Republican State Delegates!
    Larry M. (real Name)
    St. George Precinct 28

    We made our feelings clear at the convention (on illegal Immigration) and Gov. Herbert knows we will oust him!

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    March 9, 2011 8:42 a.m.

    The federal government needs to make it easier to come here legally and harder to be here illegally. As a state we can enact laws that support federal law, but we cannot have laws that undermine federal law. It is illegal for employers to hire undocumented workers, so the only thing we can do as a state is enact laws that make it harder for companies to get away with this illegal act. We can make it easier to identify undocumented workers or residents by asking for identification that all legal residents would gladly show.

    If we enact laws that encourage illegal immigration then we are in violation of federal law and the constitution. This is clearly something the federal government has the authority for, not individual states. Why are legislators who claim to support our constitution passing a law that is so blatantly unconstitutional?

    The Utah Compact recognizes the federal government responsibility for this and calls for federal solutions. Legislators and the AG should not be using the Utah Compact as justifiction for support of this bill.

    We all dreamed that answers for this problem would come from this legislative session. What we got is a nightmare.

  • Chickenchaser Centralia, WA
    March 9, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    I love these kids, their parents and their uncles, aunts etc., etc.. This exploitation is nonsense however. For some years we have been hearing of the cruelty of separating families. When a good man and father leaves Mexico or central America to provide for his family our hearts go out to them. But in most cases it is they who have left their families. This is so tragic since staying in Calderon's drug infested world could well end the life of any innocents.

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    March 9, 2011 8:06 a.m.

    Utah Citizens do not count concerning Herbert, Bramble or Shurtleff. It is time to get out and start talking to friends and neighbors to have them removed from office in 2012. As a State Delegate, yesterdays meeting consisted of Herbert telling us that we don't represent the people. We told him he was wrong. We also told him that he was breaking the Constitution if he signed the Amnesty Bill. Shurtleff is in Washington today, before the bill is even signed, talking to Obama and Holder to support the bill nationwide. My question is this. Who is really behind all this? Obama himself? Is Utah being ran by the Obama Regime?

  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2011 7:25 a.m.

    I find it astounding that it's not even being considered that if we took away the rewards for coming here illegally, maybe they would stop coming???

  • CJ Murray, UT
    March 9, 2011 7:16 a.m.

    If Gary Herbert signs HB 116 he is sending a a message that Utah is now a sanctuary state and a haven for illegal immigrants. We will be overrun and not in a good way. It doesn't even matter if it is later ruled to be in violation of federal law, it will be too late. It is obvious that his own party will boot him out on top of it. All of this in the name of "not separating families"? What a joke. They separated themselves when they came here illegally and broke the law and they are free to have a permanent reunion in Mexico tomorrow morning. What about the jobs of legal families in Utah? Does Gary care about them? Sign this bill and the answer is clear,,, illegals have priority in his book because his pals in big business need cheap labor. If he does this I don't think we need to even wait until the next election. Let's recall him now before he does any more damage.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    March 9, 2011 6:56 a.m.

    We need each and everyone to find out how their representatives voted on this. Come election day they get ousted. If they voted for this they do not represent the voters. Who they represent is the Chamber of Commerce, Sutherland, And the biggest player in the State. I will let you guess who that is.Shurtleff has special interest in immigrants.

  • C. Darwin Sandy, UT
    March 9, 2011 5:57 a.m.

    for a counter-balancing view to this article see: Salt Lake Trib. "GOP delagates to gov. "veto immigration visa bill"".

  • DavisMan Clearfield, UT
    March 9, 2011 5:19 a.m.

    If you really want to point a finger at the Anti-Americans look no further then those that got the guest worker part of the bill wrote in. Also those who let it be ONE package of bills. Those are the ones to get rid of not the Governor if he vetoes this garage bill. The people of Utah (citizens)want enforcement not a welcome mat.

  • Rebecca Bountiful, UT
    March 9, 2011 3:37 a.m.

    Anchor babies are a huge part of the problem here. A child born in this country of illegal immigrants should not receive automatic citizenship rights. This law needs to be changed. A child of illegal immigrants should have the same status as his/her parents. Yes, keep families together, but require them to enter the country legally. And when they do enter legally, require them to learn English. It shows respect for the country and the culture they want to become a part of.

    I agree with AmericanInterwest in California. Read his comments; they are important.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2011 3:14 a.m.

    Rememember that this is not just for the 110,000 (plus) illegals currently here, or who may be here by May 10, 2011. It ALSO is for illegals who have EVER, EVER, EVER lived or worked in Utah prior to May 10, 2011 -- regardless of whether THEY currently are here or not. In fact, these don't even have to be here by May 10, 2011.

    63G-12-205 [line 778] (1)(c)
    "HAVE WORKED OR LIVED IN UTAH before May 10, 2011"

    Curt Bramble has rationalized that because Utah does not have the authority to deport, we have no choice but to legalize the 110,000 currently here.

    But how does Bramble rationalize a RETROACTIVE amnesty except to acknowledge that greedy employers in Utah want as many foreign nationals in Utah as possible in order to drive Utah's notoriously low wage even further downward?

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    March 9, 2011 12:08 a.m.

    There are to many people out of work to even considered the guest worker bill. We can't guarantee employment for 110,000+ people, and our own 105,000 citizens. What was the legislature thinking? We can't afford the cost of lawsuits from the Wright-Bramble bill either.

    Sandstroms guest worker program uses existing laws and visas. It would be a better choice at this time. Utah's legislature needs to decide if it's going to represent all of Utah and it's workers, or just the business interests. The last thing Utahn's need is foreign labor flooding our labor market and driving down wages further.

    Business has jumped the shark in Utah.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    March 8, 2011 11:29 p.m.


    Why all the interest in Utah? I'm thinking that concentrating on your own state of California and its very significant issues might be a better route.
    California, under the control of the liberal progressive crowd and there feel good compassionate approach to illegal immigration and welfare, has just about bankrupted your state. In L.A. County alone $600 million was paid out to the children of illegal immigrants. When considering the devastation illegal immigration has caused in California, forgive us here in Utah for not wanting to follow your lead.
    As I have stated before, compassion without consideration for its consequences is no way to run a state unless your plan is to run it into the ground.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    March 8, 2011 11:08 p.m.

    Maybe the editors of the Des News should read these comments and stop running all the pro illegal immigrations stories. What would happen if all the readers began contacting advertisers with the Des News and boycotted those businesses? Would Des News change their policies?

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    March 8, 2011 11:06 p.m.

    Who paid for Shurtleff to go to Wash and urge states to adopt the Utah Compact? Not even the majority of Utahans are in favor of the Compact. When will government officials start listening to those who put them in office? When we replace the all the incumbents.

  • Littlebit Salt Lake City, UT
    March 8, 2011 10:46 p.m.

    I am absolutely livid about this situation. When, when, when do the legal, taxpaying citizens have a say in curbing this out-of-control illegal situation?? Both my senator and representative voted in favor of "guest worker permits", and will not get my vote next election. The governor has no business listening to sob stories from illegals &/or their children. They created this situation, the rest of us didn't. Gov. Herbert, I hope you are reading these comments and will take them to heart. Please VETO any and all bills that allow any form of permit, reward, or incentive of any kind for illegals.

  • legalimmigrant Springville, Utah
    March 8, 2011 9:50 p.m.

    @dave4197 - I am Latino and I have no problem with Sandstrom's bill because I am a legal immigrant and have nothing to fear.

  • hispanic from AF American Fork, UT
    March 8, 2011 9:39 p.m.

    I don't know if I am the only one counting these comments...but...I see the overwhelming # of them opposing the omnibus bill that Bramble and Wright have created against the will of the majority of the people, as these comments prove it! One can only hope that the governor will realize that the people want illegal immigration stopped! and he will have the courage to veto this hidous bill! As a latina, I am also embarrased and applauled but not surprised that children were used by pro-illegal groups.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    March 8, 2011 9:33 p.m.

    The guest worker bill will give amnesty to every person illegally in this state, before May 11 2011. People who left this state could return and claim their amnesty.

    This is a really dangerous bill. It's a slap in the face to the working men and women of this great state. We can't allow our legislature to put more Utahns out of work.

    What we have here is class warfare. Attacking the middle class of Utah with cheap foreign labor to drive down wages and destroy the class that made this country strong.

    Don't sign it governor. Middle America is watching.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    March 8, 2011 9:12 p.m.

    Please, GUV, veto Sandstrom's bill that racially profiles latinos. This is the one bill that you must veto. This bill is trash. I know it's been changed, renumbered, and responsored, but in my opinion it's plainly still Sandstrom's enforcement only bill. It's an unnecessary piling on of penalties against a bunch of poor people, refugees, who need our help not the gov't's boot on their necks.

    Please, GUV, if you have a heart, veto Sandstrom's bad bill.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 8, 2011 9:01 p.m.

    my rino senator has lost my vote by voting for the unconstitutional guest worker bill. If herbert doesn't veto it, he too will lose my vote

  • OneMadGuy Salt Lake, UT
    March 8, 2011 8:46 p.m.

    This boondoggle (term for a scheme that wastes time and money) our Attorney General is taking at our expense is bogus.

    If you look at the AG's web site his mission statement says, in part "Uphold the constitution of the United States and Utah","enforce the law","ensure the law is upheld" and "serve the citizens of Utah."

    --> "That is our entire focus"

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 8, 2011 8:33 p.m.

    This bill should be vetoed.

    The censors did not like my explanation of why, so let's just leave it at the fact that criminal behavior should never be encouraged or rewarded.

  • taking5 great outdoors, UT
    March 8, 2011 8:15 p.m.

    Dear Governor, I would have brought you my letter today telling you how I felt about you pandering to lawbreakers by allowing people who are here illegally to visit with you in you in your office and allowing them to continue to receive my hard earned tax dollar without my consent, but I was at work trying to support the part of my family that hasn't had to leave Utah to find work.

  • 22ozn44ozglass Southern Utah, UT
    March 8, 2011 8:12 p.m.

    I agree that this bill should be vetoed, but not for the reasons that these children who are being used as pawns in a political game by activist groups. The bill is too watered down, and needs to be sent back to the legislature for some revamping.

    The fallacious claims that getting the illegal immigration into this nation undercontrol and enforcing the current federal laws is racism are getting old and hollow. Why should someone who comes here illegally enjoy living in the US when thousands who go through the process legally, learn english and respect our laws just because they are not of latino roots and did not come accross the US-Mexican border illegally. Those who honor our laws and play by the rules deserve to be rewarded and not those who come here illegally and do so with a sense of entitlement.

    Illegals who do not respect the rule of law and who bring serious criminals along with them are taking priority over those who honor and uphold the law and play by the rules because of where they come from or their race. That truly is racism.

  • Right or Wrong Happy Valley, Utah
    March 8, 2011 7:17 p.m.

    @ Carson 6:35

    No! The majority of Utah citizens do not want this do nothing, watered down, ILLEGAL refuge piece of legislation passed into law by the Gov.

    We want:

    *Laws enforced

    *No benefits for those that break the law

    *A State that is not a magnet for those that do break the law

    *Our Lawmakers to listen, and do the will of the law abiding citizens of this State, not pander to illegals and special interest groups

    This is ONE area I agree with the ILLEGALS ..... VETO this bill!

  • runwasatch Ogden, UT
    March 8, 2011 7:12 p.m.

    So No to BO:

    There is one more despicable...those who demand the tax dollars of US citizens for the benefit of those here illegally.

    It's all a power grab for the activists. I'm not sure they really care, they just want the power.

  • josephclark sandy, utah
    March 8, 2011 7:12 p.m.

    they are using their kids to get what they want...

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    March 8, 2011 6:42 p.m.

    There's nothing more despicable in my eyes than adults using children as publicity pawns.

  • Carson Provo, UT
    March 8, 2011 6:35 p.m.

    The legislature cleared for the governors consideration HB 497, which contains some Arizona-style immigration-enforcement provisions. Utah activists tell NumbersUSA that governor is getting a lot of calls from Illegals and opponents asking for a veto. The majority of Utah Citizens want this bill passed. Please go to NumbersUSA and send your free fax. We can't afford the Illegals to make our Immigration policy. Let's make sure the Governor hears what we the people want!

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    March 8, 2011 6:18 p.m.

    Our Att. Gen, came up to a big scout event a few years ago and gave a wonderful speech on Camelot and how we need to obey the law. I wish that he could re-read that for himself. Illegals need to go home and come back legally.

  • dld kearns, ut
    March 8, 2011 6:14 p.m.

    Get rid of the illegals and quit wasting tax payer money and giving away American Citizens jobs. Get rid of the politicians that support illegal activity and have them investigated for abuse and misuse of their authority and see if the have profited from this abuse and misuse of authority.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    March 8, 2011 6:10 p.m.

    Subject: Paradoxical Thought for the Day

    The federal government wants all citizens to prove they are insured, but
    does not want anyone to prove they are citizens.

    ---Ben Stein

  • chiefbrady Salt Lake City, UT
    March 8, 2011 6:04 p.m.

    Dear Governor, You have the opportunity to continue to uphold the Constitution you swore an oath to. You also have a choice in defending law abiding citizens (aka taxpayers) or you may grant amnesty to those who broke the law, continue to break laws (identity theft, no driver's licenses, etc, etc) and now want special benefits and consideration for their previous illegal acts.

    Choose wisely sir.

  • AmericaInterwest La Quinta, CA
    March 8, 2011 6:02 p.m.

    I live in Southern California and would like to share with the people in Utah what Illegal immigration has done to this state. We are overwhelmed with Illegal Immigrants. They are everywhere and their presence has caused a situation which impacts everyone here. Our schools are severely overcrowded and the quality of education has dropped dramatically. Crime committed by Illegals including carjackings,identity theft, hit and run, drug trafficking, murder and assault has increased tremendously. People who are working in the construction trades,the service sector,manufacturing and transportation and others have seen their wages plummet and businesses who employ U.S. citizens suffer while those who employ Illegals prosper. Illegal Immigration is eroding the tax base here in California. Illegal Immigrants pay little or no taxes and create enormous social financial liabilities for our state. Illegal Immigrants drive down wages and therefor lower tax remittances overall. Illegal Immigration is costing the California taxpayer BILLIONS every year in lost revenue! I hope and pray that Utah doesn't become like California because we are in hopeless economic and rapid social decline. Be careful.

  • ldhhdll2 Sandy, utah
    March 8, 2011 5:50 p.m.

    Now's your chance! Nab those undocumented that brought in their kids and send them back to their respective countries.

  • Lectori Salutem Beautiful Salt Lake Valley, Utah
    March 8, 2011 5:38 p.m.

    I would like to see a different Utah Compact, one that asks employers to be honorable and trustworthy in their dealings with their fellow citizens and not hire workers who are not legally eligible to work in this country. Honesty - how refreshing would that be?

    It's my opinion that the present Utah Compact uses deliberately obfuscatory language by not differentiating between illegal and legal immigration and therefore I cannot get on board with it. I personally think Shurtleff is overstepping his bounds. He does not speak for this Utahan or any other Utahan I know.

    Although I'm not a member of the Chamber of Commerce, the Sutherland Institute, the Latino community or any other special interest group, I am still a "stakeholder." We honest, hard-working, tax-paying, decent stakeholders deserve better than we're getting. We're the true victims in all this. We're the ones who are paying the price for the dishonest actions of others. Where is our representation? Why is the legislature bending over backward to accommodate those who have broken the laws (illegal aliens and the employers who knowingly hire them) instead of protecting us?

  • Right or Wrong Happy Valley, Utah
    March 8, 2011 5:37 p.m.

    "a dozen children of undocumented immigrants and several adults"
    Say it.....they are ILLEGAL!

    Why do those that are not citizens of this State or Country have a voice?

    My solution is clear. Demand an end to the Driving Privilege card. Do not give any benefits to those here illegally. Enforce the laws that are on the books.

    Why is this so difficult for those representing us to understand?

    Why don't the lawmakers stand up for the citizens that vote for them? Immigration is the issue that so many wanted addressed. Do the politicians really believe the propaganda polling of the media? I know that there are many flaws in the way things are, but do they really believe we will forget in the next election cycle?

    When things are worse, because of what they are doing now with these poor watered down jokes of legislation, do they really think we will support them just because they have an R by there name?

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    March 8, 2011 5:34 p.m.

    Guv: PLEASE VETO the "guest worker" bill!

    We already have 100,000 "guest workers" in Utah.

    ACTUAL Utah citizens need jobs!

  • E. Matscheko St. George, UT
    March 8, 2011 5:27 p.m.

    I appreciate the compassion and courage put forth by most of our government officials, dealing with immigration issues. HB 469, in the contrary lacks any common sense and accountability. Such bill would make a large number of the estimated 110,000 illegal aliens currently living in Utah eligible to work and study in our state. Besides creating a magnet for illegal aliens, there is one big problem: How are we going to explain this to the estimated 208,000 currently unemployed Utah residents and their families?

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    March 8, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    I can't help but find it a little pathetic that illegals would send their children to do their dirty work. What a shameful tactic.

    In our modern era where we are getting "compassion" nailed into our brain without consideration of consequence I have a simple idea. How about illegals take personal responsibility for their bad choices and stop trying to make those choices everyone else's problem.

  • jmfay denver, co
    March 8, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    It sure seems the legal residents and citizens dont count for alot in UT so maybe its time you exercised your rights including the one to recall if Herbert is not going to listen to the people of UT and do right by you.

    That would also apply to the AG since its very odd that an AG is going out of his way to try to do something to help a bill that he already knows is not legal to do in the first place after what happened to AZ.

  • rmk South Jordan, UT
    March 8, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    I agree with the kids, send them with their parents home to the country their parent are citizens in. When the kids born here are adults they can come back.

  • Considering Stockton, UT
    March 8, 2011 5:01 p.m.

    It is a shame that PARENTS would do anything to place their families and children at risk.

    A Democrat sponsored bill to ban smoking in cars when children are present in the car has passed the legislature to protect children from second hand smoke. Let too many on both sides of the aisle continue to act as if bringing children into our nation illegally is not a real and serious risk. Even living in our nation illegally and then having children here creates the risk that those children will eventually see one of their parents removed from the country.

    I don't like to see families separated, but when a person commits crimes there is a chance he will be punished for them and sent to jail.

    In this case, however, we are not even talking about punishment. We merely want an end to the lawlessness. Just go home and wait to come here LEGALLY.

    That is a compassionate position. Anything more moves from compassion into complete and total license.

  • jery27 Bountiful, Utah
    March 8, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    "He contends those committing felonies such as gang members and drug dealers who haven't been convicted to obtain guest worker permits."

    Do we really want these kinds of people in our country at all? Opponents of these bills talk a big talk, but have they ever had any experience with these people? Why would you want someone COMMITTING FELONIES and those who are GANG MEMBERS and DRUG DEALERS here at all? They should be deported instantly if they are found doing ANY of these acts!

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    March 8, 2011 4:42 p.m.

    Re: "Children, activists urge governor to veto Utah illegal immigrations bills"

    Actual voters, on the other hand, in overwhelming numbers, urge the Governor to listen to the voice of the people and sign the enforcement bill.

    I guess we'll see -- and remember -- who has our Governor's ear.