Dick Harmon: Who has the hunger, mindset to win the MWC tournament?

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  • Bronco Loco Henderson, NV
    March 9, 2011 2:00 a.m.

    Anonymous Infinity:

    You obviously don't keep up with sports much. Regardless of the outcome the MWC will get 3 teams in. Those are SDSU, BYU, and UNLV. UNLV needs to get deep in this tournament to get a better seeding. There is no way the selection committee leaves UNLV out. They have a top 35 RPI and SOS. In addition, they have very good quality wins against teams such as Kansas State, Wisconsin, and Virginia Tech. All of which have at one point have beaten a #1 ranked team. If UNM wins the MWC tournament they'll simply leave a USU or St. Mary's out.

    Why is the MWC Tournament in Vegas? Just ask the WCC or WAC as to why their tournaments are here. Plenty of hotel rooms, and 70 degree weather in March. One may argue weather doesn't matter since everything is indoors but would one rather travel to a warm weather destination or a freezing tundra such as Laramie. If one were to look at the facts, the MWC has been very successful here. In fact when the MWC tournament was in Denver attendance was down.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    March 8, 2011 9:32 p.m.

    Majerus never liked the WAC/MWC tourneys, but for near-major (multi-bid, non-power) conferences like the MWC, I think the conference tourneys give opportunity to the bubble teams like CSU/UNM. Thanks to the conference tourney, the MWC may send 4 teams instead of 3 teams.

    If there is any team in the tourney, including Utah, TCU, and Wyoming, that does not show up "hungry"---that coach should be gone (err, Wyoming's already is). They should all be "hungry." Come on Dick. It's not really about hunger, it's about talent, coaching, home court, etc...

    My guess:
    --If both BYU and SDSU advance to the finals, the winner snags a 2 seed, the loser a 3. If one loses in the semi's they would still likely grab a 3. Lose in round one....fall to a 4.
    --If UNLV wins, particularly if they beat BYU and SDSU to do it, I think they get a 6 seed. Advance to, but lose in the finals, it's a 7. Lose in the semis, its an 8. Lose in round one (unlikely), a 9.
    --If UNM or CSU wins, they grab an 11, lose-->NIT.

  • Frozen Chosen Savage, MN
    March 8, 2011 9:22 p.m.

    If BYU loses Friday they will get a #4/5 seed. If they lose Saturday they get a #3, if they win Saturday they get a #2.

    If they lose Thursday, well, hello Mr 8/9 seed.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    March 8, 2011 5:54 p.m.

    Anonymous Infinity

    Why are you even bothering posting here if you think that playing in the Big Dance is such a futile exercise?

    Go find something useful to do and leave the basketball discussion to real fans.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    March 8, 2011 5:07 p.m.

    If UNM wins the MWC tournament, it probably means UNLV is out of the NCAA tournament. Really....does it matter who goes to the NCAA tournament from the MWC. None of the teams will go deep.

  • ExecutorIoh West Jordan, UT
    March 8, 2011 3:29 p.m.

    I love statistics and actuary science and this is what it tells me. BYU is a better offensive team without Davies. Collinsworth and Abouo will do better than their average sharing Davies minutes. SDSU self-limits themselves to about 65-70 points max per game. BYU will come out gunning and will average 90 points a game against all opponents in the MWCT (about 80pts vs SDSU). They might give up a few more points, especially against post players, but the increased athleticism of BYU with the smaller lineup will have SDSU tapping themselves out of the game after the first 8 minutes.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    March 8, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    After the loss to UNM, and losing Brandon, the Cougs are hungry.
    They are anxious to prove that the current team can win. There is an outside possibility that if the Cougs can sweep the tournament with a convincing win over the Aztecs (wishful thinking?) that Jimmer and the boys can still get a very high seed.

    The Cougs went cold with their offense against UNM at The Pit. They were shell shocked in their game last Wednesday.

    This tournament will be a good test of the current team, and I believe that they can do it.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    March 8, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    @ dallas realist

    the point of fresno girl's comment is that every team has played every other team in the conference twice so we've already been able to tell that 7 or 8 of the teams are not the best team in the conference. So why award the automatic bid to the team who goes on a three-game hot streak instead of the team that showed excellence over a 16 game schedule? Its no big deal though now that the MWC is a multi-bid league, the tournament basically just sneaks a few extra games in and gives a chance for the conference to sneak an undeserving team into the NCAA tournament.

    Now if USU loses in their conference tournament and doesn't get picked for the NCAA tournament, the WAC would be stupid to send some other team to represent the conference instead of USU.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    March 8, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    I'm picking Wyoming all the way.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    March 8, 2011 11:38 a.m.

    I will believe that BYU can beat UNM when I see it.

  • dallas realist rockwall, texas
    March 8, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    the winner gets an automatic bid to the big dance. thats a pretty good reason

  • jimhale Eugene, OR
    March 8, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    One would think that, for the new BYU (sans Davies), the season is just two games old.

    They are now one and one.

    They've already proven that they can beat Wyoming - with their own home-court advantage. If Wyoming gets by TCU, BYU should be anxious to prove they can win defeat them without that advantage. If Wyoming loses to TCU, BYU should still go into Thursday feeling they have something to prove. Either way, that game is not a gimme - both a practice and a must win.

    Given the chance, BYU should be highly motivated to finally beat New Mexico on Friday. That would be proving something.

    Can San Diego State beat UNLV's home-court advantage? Certainly.

    Meeting San Diego or UNLV on Saturday night would give us all a clear picture of, not only of BYU's seeding, but their true chances in the basketball version of dancing with the stars.

    Everybody in the NCAA is going to be a Wyoming, a New Mexico, a UNLV, or a San Diego State.

    It gets down to two things: Who wants it more? Who has the most to prove?

    Everybody knows the answer to that.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    March 8, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    My Utes are not hungry.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    March 8, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    IDC, I disagree. Nothing would be sweeter than beating UNLV...finally! Beating them in this tournament would be the sweetest way to leave the conference.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    March 8, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    Wait a minute Hedgehog. As I recall, you promised that if BYU beat SDSU, you would NOT post again this year. Let's see. That's a matter of honor Wow! Sounds like BYU IS the place with honor.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    March 8, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    TCU, CSU, Wyoming and AFA never win the MWC tourney anyway, so there fans are happy to have a mini-vacation in Las Vegas every year to escape the late winter blahs.

    With UNLV, of course, thrilled to play the tourney on their home court, that's all the votes Craig Thompson needed to keep the tourney in Las Vegas permanently, where the MWC makes the most money.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    March 8, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    conference tournaments where every team is included are just money grabs.

    They are absolutely ridiculous though for the one-bid conferences because they reward excellence over three days more than excellence over a two-month schedule. For one-bid conferences, a conference tournament in which every team is included makes tickets to regular season matchups less valuable because those regular season matchups are less important.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    March 8, 2011 10:01 a.m.

    Here is how I see it playing out, not that anyone cares.

    BYU, SDSU, and UNLV have no problem getting past the first round. The CSU/UNM game should be the best first round game and either could make it out. I know several BYU fans are wanting another shot at UNM but I personally would prefer CSU. They are the higher seed with the better record. I believe BYU beats either of them though to advance to the finals. They have beaten CSU twice and will be very motivated against UNM.

    SDSU will have its work cut out for them against UNLV though and UNLV has been playing very well of late. UNLV likley beats SDSU this time around and BYU/UNLV meet in the finals with UNLV winning the tournament.

    If UNLV wins it all this year one would hope the MWC would end the stupidity and begin moving the tournament elsewhere.

    Good news is BYU will be back in Vegas next year, only they will be playing at a nuetral site as no WCC team has a home there.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    March 8, 2011 9:56 a.m.


  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    March 8, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    I don't understand the reason to even have a MWC tournament. We all just got done playing everybody else in the Conference twice. We know the pecking order, so what's there to figure out? If there is a tie, have a tie-breaker game.

    Maybe I'm missing the point. If I am, please explain it to me.

  • davidutefan Evanston, WY
    March 8, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    UNLV. Mark it down. Home court advantage pays off.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    March 8, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    The most important game in the tourney for BYU is the UNMU/CSU game, I just don't see them beating SDSU in the finals again without Davies. Don't think the Cougs want to see the Lobos for the 3rd time. If CSU can beat UNM, the Cougs will be in the finals and should secure a #2 seed. Another loss to the Lobos and it's a #3.

  • goitalone w bountiful, ut
    March 8, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    I for one, am glad that this is the last MWC tournament for both the Utes and the Cougars (I know, the Utes are not in it). I have never understood why the conference has persisted in giving UNLV a home court advantage every year.

    This is not football. The weather outside at CSU can be 20* and the game inside can be comfortable. There has never been a decent excuse for needing to go to Vegas, except for the neon lights. One reason that the top seed has rarely won this thing is the home court given to UNLV. The rest of the conference gets homered.

    Why would it be so bad to give the incentive to the winner of the regular season title the home court advantage. This year, that would have gone to BYU. By so doing, the #1 seed would mean something and the regular conference season would have added meaning.

    Another option would be to let the regular season champ host the toutney the following year. Either option would be prefferable to the continual homerism in Las Vegas.

  • aggieblue Saint George, UT
    March 8, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    If the Lobos win the tournament, the best because they beat the Y twice, lost to SDSU twice, UNLV wins, the best home court team, best because they lost to SDSU twice and the Y twice. Big if and of course the home court has nothing to do with who wins the tournament. Sad, they should move every year, SLC, San Diego,Vegas, New Mexico, Denver, but then again, who cares they Y won't be part of the MWC. Money rules all. Go Aggies and Cougars, blue and blue

  • IDC Boise, ID
    March 8, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    Nothing would be sweeter than BYU finally beating NM. Go Cougs. I can't wait for the tournaments to both get going.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    March 8, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    Good analysis by Dick Harmon. He's right about the Rebels being tough to beat at home. The Utes have battled the same issue when our team has been among the top seeds in the tournament. It will take near perfect play for anyone to take down UNLV and New Mexico.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    March 8, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    "If SDSU wins the MWC tourney... "

    prognosticates the troll from beneath his bubble of delusion.

  • Mike in Texas Allen, TX
    March 8, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    I Have never understood why the tournement has to be held in Las Vegas every year. Rotate it Among the major cities. Which, beginning next year won't need to include SLC unless the MWC is smart enough to invite USU.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    March 8, 2011 7:35 a.m.

    If SDSU wins the MWC tourney... most people will remeber the Aztecs as the best team in the MWC/2011 - not the kewgs.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    March 8, 2011 6:52 a.m.

    Um, it said the same thing ours said, and no asterisks.

  • GaryS Leesburg, VA
    March 8, 2011 4:03 a.m.

    SDSU got a trophy? What did it say on it, "Second Place?"

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    March 8, 2011 1:04 a.m.

    I've been watching BYU sports for 45 years (can that be right?). It has been rare when a BYU team quits. Both the men and women's teams are going to Las Vegas to win. They are not going to quit. They may not win, but they will do their best.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    March 8, 2011 12:47 a.m.

    Cougars are very hungry and so are the Aztecs. These teams are playing for high seeds in the big dance. Vegas can easily be beaten due to their poor shooting. I thing Aztecs beat them. Cougars may make it to the finals and might pull the upset over the Aztecs but it'll take the perfect game.