House OKs bill that would make it illegal to smoke in cars with kids present

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  • Artie LAPOINT, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    You have got to be kidding me! Is it not a right of the children this represents to have good health? The affects of second hand smoke last a lifetime. "It's against my freedom, you're limiting my freedom to smoke" B.S.! You're are limiting your children's freedom to live a happy healthy life! Children ears being pierced? Oh yeah that's a huge restriction on their life. It's part of the constitution, to give up some of your freedoms in order for protection and safety. The kids your smoking in the car with, well they're gonna grow up and probably be addicted to smoking. Look at that tons of kids in the next generation addicted to smoking. Wow some people surprise me!! I think if some parents are really gonna be stupid enough to smoke in a enclosed space with a small child, then yeah we need some law restricting that. I also agree that smoking in a car with children is child abuse. Even it isn't a law do you really want all your child to be able to remember is you sticking them in a car then filling it with smoke?

  • Considering Stockton, UT
    March 8, 2011 11:04 p.m.

    "Why would anyone subject their children to those dangers? "

    Why would anyone subject their children to the dangers of obesity? Or the dangers of contact sports? Depending on your point of view.

    Why would anyone subject their children to the dangers of not getting vaccinated? Or the dangers of getting vaccinated? Again, depending on your point of view.

    Why would anyone subject their children to the dangers of being exposed to violent video games, foul language or sex or nudity in movies? Or, subject them to the dangers of living in a bubble insulated from the realities of the real world?

    Why would anyone subject their children to the dangers of having firearms in the home? Or to the dangers of not having the means of self-defense?

    I looked for the studies you suggested. I found them. And I found the competing theories as well. I'd say the conclusions about 2nd hand smoke are about as solid as the conclusions on either side of the hypotheticals I listed above.

    How many more mandates do we want from government when it comes to raising our own children?

  • Oh My Heck! Vernal, UT
    March 8, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    I absolutely believe that no one should smoke in the car when there are children present, or even other non-smoking adults. My husband smokes, but not in my car, and never around children. He's always gone outside to smoke, too. We don't want our house to smell like an ash tray.

    My youngest grandson gets sick when he is around smoke, and his parents smoke in the car. They do have the windows down some, but the smoke is still there. I have strongly suggested to them that they wait until they can be outside and not subject their 3 kids to the smoke. Their little boy just spend 2 days in the hospital with a high fever, sinus congestion, and other undiagnosed breathing problems. He doesn't have the flu, RSV or strep. I think it could be from being around the smoke. He is 1 year old. I hope this will convince them to not smoke in the car any more.

    As for smokers' rights, you have the right to smoke. But I have the right to breathe, and I do not want to inhale your second hand smoke.

    I hope this legislation helps.

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    March 8, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    I agree with Serenity. This bill, as with many others, is well-meaning but unwise. Just because something is a good idea doesn't mean that it should be enforced by law. Freedom is too important.

  • jdg fruitland, utah
    March 8, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    Nobody smokes with all the windows up, how healthy is it to sit at a trafic light breathing exaust fumes waiting for the light to turn green? as far as second hand smoke, its exagerated beyond belief considering, I have been smoking for 30 years and I have been getting my 1st hand smoke and my second, go camping and breath the campfire smoke and blame your coughing on the guy smoking in the next campground. go to a demolition derby and breath all them fumes and blame your troubles on the guy smoking 10 rows behind you.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    March 8, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    When I first read this article, I thought that it was about time that those poor children who are riding in cars that are obviously filled with cigarette smoke are protected. Then I had second thoughts. Personally, I believe smoking is very hazardous to your health and second-hand smoke is even worse, but do we really have the right to impinge upon the rights of parents who choose to smoke in their own cars? I think not. The government, federal or state, should never obstruct people's personal, legal rights. The choice to smoke or not should be left up to the parents. The government should never, ever make laws to control people who are not breaking civil law. There are many books, advertisements, pamphlets or whatever out there to educate people about the dangers of smoking and, especially about second-hand smoke, but if people choose not to listen, that should be their choice. That's what makes this a free country, the ability to have choices.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 8, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    Re: Considering | 9:26 a.m. March 8, 2011

    For decades the cigarette companies told us smoking was safe while they hid the real truth from us.

    Today it has been proven beyond doubt that exposure to the toxins in secondhand smoke can cause asthma, cancer and other serious problems. It is easy enough to Google the studies.

    Why would anyone subject their children to those dangers?

  • Considering Stockton, UT
    March 8, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    I'm not a smoker and I hate how many cigs get littered. But I think the risks of second hand smoke are greatly exaggerated. What next, government mandates on how much junk food we can feed to our children? Or how much exercise we have to make sure they get?

    But, if this reduces the number of butts flying out car windows, it will have done some real good.

    Smokers, I don't care if want to smoke. But you've got to police yourselves and use a little common courtesy.

    Do not huddle around building entrances forcing me to walk through a cloud of smoke to get in or out. Spread out a little.

    Stop littering your butts. The world is not your ashtray and we are not obliged to provide you an ashtray. Carry a pocket ashtray. Or learn to field strip your butts. Use the ashtray in your car. But stop littering.

    And even if it is legal to smoke somewhere, move away from non-smoking crowds. Only a boor deliberately breaks wind in a crowd. Step down wind a bit.

    You'll find your rights get greater respect if you are courteous.

  • Dektol Powell, OH
    March 8, 2011 9:14 a.m.

    Forcing kids to breathe the poison gas is child abuse, plain and simple. As a child I had no choice and still suffer the health effects. I have never gone back to visit the parents that forced me into breathing problems as a result of imprisoning me in the poison gas environment.
    Prison sentences for poisoning children this way is too lenient for these drug addicts who care more for their fix than the health of their children.

  • UnKnown85 tooele, ut
    March 8, 2011 8:53 a.m.

    I personally agree with the premise of the law, you should not smoke in a car with children in it, its common sense. Side note: if the windows are down at moving speeds this is really not a big deal. If the windows are up and your still smoking in the car thats just disgusting. This opinion is coming from a smoker mind you.
    Yet I am 100% against this law I find it ridiculous. You can not legislate morality. Whats next? You cant smoke in your own home? (Which I also find disgusting) You can't smoke with in 10 yards of a child? What if the car is a convertible?
    While we are at it, lets make it illegal for your child not to do their math homework. And a law that if your kids dont get all the vitamins they need you will get a fine. Lets just fine parents of obese children!(

  • Chickenchaser Centralia, WA
    March 8, 2011 7:13 a.m.

    Bryan et al. Perhaps, but I have noticed that many, uh huh, many folks smoke outside in respect of their children and others. I hated it when our car was filled with that stench. Someone has to stand for the kids, and if government hss to stand for kids then so be it. I cannot believe that anyone would support the gassing of children except Eichman.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 8, 2011 6:49 a.m.

    Re: attentive | 12:14 a.m. March 8, 2011

    Getting your child's ears pierced won't cause respiratory problems in their airways and lungs but smoking does.

    Why would any loving parent force their children to breath second hand smoke? Don't they understand the health dangers, or do they just want to ignore them?

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    March 8, 2011 4:48 a.m.

    Don't we have enough hypocrisy and persecution in this state? What laws are broken by smoking? NONE. Who's rights are being violated and persecuted? The Smokers. Do we or any one have the right to persecute and hate for no reason?

    Its time these mindset and criminal laws be stopped and most of the others repealed. There is no established right of any individual or state to persecute, hate, and tax for personal cause. How many laws must be written for a non existent crime? Rights are rights and violating rights is illegal. So is persecution. So is hate. But this one subject is the most severe of any and all hate this state chooses to focus its efforts on. It is criminal that hate and persecution is a motive for laws.

  • Bryan Syracuse, UT
    March 8, 2011 1:35 a.m.

    So what's next? A law to prohibit smoking in homes with children present? Then a law to prohibit smoking on the porch when children are present? How about the legislature just controls everything that we do, because this is what the law is all about: control.

  • David B. Cedar City, UT
    March 8, 2011 12:58 a.m.

    You people in Government are something else! With all that is going on in the state and the nation you worry about something like this.You keep raising cigarette taxes and you keep losing revenue and have you asked why this is happening? People are quitting because they can't afford what once was a legal product. It's nothing more than a bunch of greedy people on a power trip and the stupidity has to stop.

  • attentive Salt Lake City, UT
    March 8, 2011 12:14 a.m.

    Along with this idea, let's make it illegal to have children's ears pierced without their consent. How many times have I seen and heard a very objecting babe in arms getting his/her ears pierced. Is that not taking away someone's rights?

  • attentive Salt Lake City, UT
    March 8, 2011 12:12 a.m.

    Not that it isn't a great idea, but this is going to be tough to enforce.