Utah Legislature passes package of immigration bills

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  • Mike123 arlington, TX
    April 5, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    Immigration will continue as long as employers demand their labor for occupations that citizens do not adaquately fill. Employer fines for hiring illegal immigrants will not be effective because employers will find ways to dance around the regulations.

    Border control is not the answer. Immigrants will always enter by way of coyotes, overstaying visas, and multiple crossing attempts until they are successful.

    So what is the answer? Reform immigration policy, allow immigrants to work legally through guest worker permits. This solves two problems: 1) It allows employers to meet their labor demand. 2) It allows for immigrants to finally provide for their families without breaking immigration law.

    Critics argue:
    1) Illegal immigrants do not deserve guest worker permits because they broke the law.

    Answer: Shame on you for judging them "criminally natured" when their intention is on their families.

    2) They should wait in line to immigrate legally.

    Answer: Most will likely die of old age before being admitted legally.

    3) Guest workers will crowd our schools and use our welfare.

    Answer: Historically guest worker permits have primarily enticed a parent, not their dependents, to immigrate. Thus, without dependents, schools will not be crowded and welfare will not be exhausted.

  • Hugo Stiglitz Ogden, UT
    March 8, 2011 2:19 p.m.

    In the 90's it was drugs, then it was terrorism, then it was Muslims and the Mosque by Ground Zero, now its illegal immigration. Politicians dictate what we need to feel and fear. Before no one really cared except the KKK, but then a Governor in Arizona was losing in the polls and went after the Mexicans to score political points and look like a patriot, and now everyone wants them gone because they feel its their American duty. Its incredible that in a state like UT were there is such a Christian presence people can be so Un Christ like.

  • Gigio New York, NY
    March 8, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    Any effort to bring the undocumented out of the shadows is a laudable initiative. This way they will not be blamed from forgering ID's, be properly counted and contribute to their own social security.
    It is very alarming to see bloggers here so vehemently opposed to kids wanting to further their learning. We were always taught where two can eat so can three, same thing with education, when two can read so can three.

  • countryscotty Orem, ut
    March 7, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    I can't take reading "Illegals are only doing the jobs Americans wont do" one more time. My first job fresh out of high school was working at a farm and garden store. I worked in the greenhouses and the fields along with the 5 illegal immigrants they kept to work the land. My sister worked fast food for her first job and also worked at a hotel cleaning when she needed a quick part time job to help fill in the extras her family needed. These illegal aliens take these lower paying entry jobs and leave our youth, as well as those seeking a little part time job, out of jobs. We have all seen what has happened to those working construction that no longer have jobs due to illegals. I am sure as illegals continue to become more brazen of ignoring our laws out in the open more and more job positions will fall to them the same way. We do not need more foreign labor!!!!

  • will tell Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 6, 2011 9:50 p.m.

    Legislators, don't you understand the future problems with people in our country that don't understand the principles of freedom outlined in our constitution. Freedom is not free. Those who don't go through the naturalization process, as legal immigrants are required to do, don't understand you can't take, take, take, taxpayer services and dollars without the tax burden rising, thus enslaving the rest of the nation such as we will shortly be seeing. This voting block which is one big voice for more handouts is going to be so large that the rest of us supporting this illegal alien voting block will never be able to overcome the increased demands that will surely come. By the way, did I miss something. Who gave you the right to tax me and give the money to non-American citizens?

  • praytorian Payson, UT
    March 6, 2011 6:57 p.m.

    Thanks for nothin'!

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    March 6, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    A total misrepresentation of the bill.
    There are no stiff enforcement measures, unless you think "encouraging" the use of E-verify and "allowing" immigration screening upon arrest as tough enforcement.
    And gratefully the guest worker program won't pass the court test.
    This isn't AZ's SB1070; not by a long shot.
    The process was hijacked by the Utah Compact; a coalition of biz owners, Chamber people, Latino activists and church do-gooders.

  • Just Another Guy Washington, Utah
    March 6, 2011 1:38 a.m.

    American legal citizens would work any job if it payed decent wage. The problem is that greedy businesses have been hiring illegals for so long that it has become the normal thing. We need to put our foot down and fight this to get rid of the illegals.
    I to own businesses and yes I have complained that it's hard to find legal citizens to work but if there were no illegals than wages would have to go up because of supply and demand.
    Secondly, is there no one with a backbone in these other countries to stand up and fight for their peoples rights. These people should be back in there countries fighting for their posterity just as we should be here in our country the U.S.A.
    I am tired of writing, but I will keep doing it. And I will also join with others to fight it also.

  • Alfred Hicksville, Mexico
    March 6, 2011 1:04 a.m.

    Two points:

    Utah does not need to provide in-state tuition to illegal immigrants. In the first place, they don't need a college education to do the "work Americans won't do." Further, if they want an education they should go to a college in their native country. Would likely cost pennies on the dollar compared to an education in the US.

    Second, please, everyone on this thread send the web address to your legislators so they can read the comments and get a sense of what the citizens are on this issue.

  • Neanderthal Hicksville, Mexico
    March 6, 2011 12:58 a.m.


    "The simple truth is there ARE jobs Americans won't do and there are not jobs not ENOUGH Americans will do."

    If Americans won't do certain jobs it's because immigrants, illegal and otherwise, come in, take the jobs and drive wages down. Further, unemployed Americans have unemployment benefits, now extended to 99 weeks. Why go to work picking berries or milking dairy cows if you can sit on the couch drawing unemployment checks? Unemployed citizens can make more on unemployment than they can working these jobs with immigrant depressed wages.



    "My only question is what advantage is there in having the price of food and other things go up just so Americans can do this work?"

    Because the Americans who are unemployed would get off unemployment payments saving the taxpayer billions and then they would start paying taxes increasing government revenues.



    "Our legal immigration system is set up to help diversify our country while not providing preferential treatment to people of one race or nationality."

    We don't need or want diversity. Diversity only creates animosity among the races. Always has and always will.

  • Miss Piggie Hicksville, Mexico
    March 6, 2011 12:20 a.m.


    "What are these house guys thinking? Everyone is telling them they want the illegals out of Utah and they are planning to 'partner' with Mexico to bring more 'workers here. This is NUTS."

    It's worse than you think. Hearing the news, Hispanics are, as we speak, moving to Nuevo Leon in droves to become citizens of that town getting ready to secure their worker card and then off to Utah. Utah's legislators have unwittingly created a path for Hispanics to stream into Utah through Nuevo Leon never to return. When they get here they perhaps work a few months then disappear into the woodwork. They become permanent amnestied residents of Utah. What a bunch of nitwits Utah have in Congress.

  • Utah Joe murray, utah
    March 5, 2011 11:35 p.m.

    I support these bills and thank Sen. Bramble and others for passing legislation that protects the public from criminal activity and also shows that we are a gracious state.

  • hispanic from AF American Fork, UT
    March 5, 2011 11:05 p.m.

    Did I miscount or the vast majority of these comments are in opposition to the bill passed by the legislature? Is the Deseret News paying attention to this fact? In spite of its persistent support for illegal immigration, evidently, the majority of the readers are not!

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    March 5, 2011 11:04 p.m.

    To "An Enemy of the People", you sure are! There are methods for people to come here legally and participate. These people the government wants to give amnesty to don't deserve it. They use our resources, tax dollars, and don't contribute. I'm not referring to those here with families, however if they are here illegally then they should do the honorable thing and go home. But there are a number here that use our services and send every dollar back to their home. You are probably a life long resident of Utah, you have no idea what it is like to live in a border state. Wake up!

  • hispanic from AF American Fork, UT
    March 5, 2011 10:40 p.m.

    Shame on the Utah legislators. I will concentrate on defeating Rep.Bramble for his antiamerican behavior!

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    March 5, 2011 9:47 p.m.

    HB116 didn't have a fiscal note, but it should have. The state will have to pay for the new border signs on the highways that say, "Illegal Aliens, Welcome to Utah an Official Sanctuary State, Amnesty Here."

    This is about employer greed. The taxpayers will have to pick up the medical, educational, social, and criminal costs for this. It is a taxpayer subsidy, and all in the name of cheap labor

    At the beginning of the Legislative session the republicans were all about the Constitution and the 10th Amendment. Now it seems that they are willing to throw the Constitution in the trash, all for the sake of cheap labor, and illegal aliens to fill their church pews.

  • AmericaInterwest La Quinta, CA
    March 5, 2011 8:55 p.m.

    My Wife and I were planing to semi-retire in Utah next year, we would have brought a business and would have hired up to ten or more new employees. Good paying jobs with good benefits.
    We have now decided to rethink this move. We wont be vacationing and looking for a home in St. George in may. We will be visiting another state.
    By the way New Mexico voted to revoke their drivers licenses for illegal immigrants yesterday and the Georgia house voted in Arizona type laws earlier this week. The Utah government seems lost on this one, very difficult to understand their actions. Illegal Immigration will definitely hurt working Utah citizens. Poor leadership needs to go...So Sad.

  • carman Alpine, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:36 p.m.

    Good on the legislature. It is about time we did something about illegal immigration. If we need laborers, which we do in my judgement, we should have a guest worker program that brings illegal workers out of the shadows and into the real economy. If they commit a crime, they should have their work privileges revoked and be sent home on their own dime.

  • JanSan Pocatello, ID
    March 5, 2011 8:02 p.m.

    I get so tired of people talking about compassion!
    They are stealing our jobs, SSI. welfare benefits etc...
    Basically stabing us in the back while mocking our flag and language.
    Most don't even want to be citizens - they just want our money

    Compassion??? where is the compassion for the citizen who cannot get a job, a child who credit history is ruined before he even gets into school? The college citizen who has to pay more for college then illeagals.. where pray tell is their compassion for US ?

    Compassion should be a two way street, but most illeagals want a one-way freeway going their way...

    This is scary .. really scary ! In a way I guess I should be grateful, I imagine most of the illeagals here in ID will not be moving your way!

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    March 5, 2011 7:56 p.m.

    I thought I had heard it all but blaming immigrants on traffic congestion. What a crock. Wake up people. We have two countries bordering each other. One is prosperous and free. One is impoverished, corrupt, and in a state of civil war. Wow some people cross a border to escape this chaos and we demonize them. Of course we have illegal immigration and the governor, legislature and federal gov't cannot stop it because it is an economic, not a criminal problem. Spew all the hate you want. It is not our problem it is Mexico's problem. Why doesn't Sandstrom go on a fact finding mission to Mexico and observe conditions there. When Mexico has a revolution and the poeple have a reason to return they will return. You can't blame people for wanting what we have. Poor people do desperate things. Do I excuse it, No. Understand it, yes.

  • An Enemy of the People American Fork, UT
    March 5, 2011 7:24 p.m.

    There is nothing more depressing than reading comments like these. I don't know why people even bother trying to teach compassion anymore-- no one is listening. I don't mean giving illegals a free pass, but come on people. Have a heart. Immigration is a tricky issue that does not have one absolute answer.

  • Ronald Mortensen Bountiful, Utah
    March 5, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    1. The guest worker bill (HB116) opens Utah up to a mass inflow of illegal aliens since the state has no official record of illegal aliens who have lived or worked here prior to May 10, 2011 and anyone can get fraudulent documents showing residence before that date.

    2. The bill allows illegal aliens who are issued work permits to collect welfare benefits such as emergency Medicaid for the delivery of babies or food stamps for their American born children.

    3. The bill sacrifices the estimated 50,000 Utah children who are victims of illegal alien identity theft by allowing those destroying these children's futures to get a work permit since they have not been convicted of this felony.

    4. This bill is an insult to all legal immigrants who play by the rules in order to come to the United States legally.

    5. Illegal aliens who have not been convicted of a crime will be allowed to obtain work permits. For example, gang members involved in drug trafficking and who have not been convicted will get work permits as long as they can show that they have a job.

  • girls basketball fan Duchesne County, Utah
    March 5, 2011 6:30 p.m.

    US Patriot -

  • Valley County Cascade, ID
    March 5, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    I hope the legislature wakes up, before the real consequences of this bill come to fruition. We normally vacation in Utah at least twice a year and if the Governor signs this, it will be the last time we spend any money in Utah for any reason. Illegal is illegal, no matter how you cut it and harboring illegal fugitives is illegal. We currently have a 10 day trip planned there in the summer, which I will cancel, if this law is passed. Colorado has some excellent 4X4 vacations spots that want my money.

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    March 5, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    Utah being run by the Chicago Mob! So it is our job to find out exactly who part of the mob, is it not. Is it churches, politician's being paid off, Mexico, businesses or could it be all of them? They seems to have tons more money than the middle class. That is why they can buy votes like we can't.

  • JanSan Pocatello, ID
    March 5, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    I am so glad that I don't live in Utah!!!!!!!!!!!
    You were taken to the cleaners with this.

  • gizmo33 St. George, Utah
    March 5, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    all I can do is laugh this is nothing but political chess with the american paople that the goverment always plays. to begin with the laws will not be and have never been enforced. if the laws get inforced then who will cut the politicians lawns ? this is the same old rhetoric from the goverment that came over the radio and tried to convince the american people that the attack on pearl harbor was for absolutly no reason what so ever. the goverment is only concerned about the goverment and after my 20 yrs in the service I have seen it and heard it all the illegals make money for the goverment but of course they wont admit that either.

  • Christy Beaverton, OR
    March 5, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    From USA Today:

    'Wave of diversity' sweeps across Utah

    Salt Lake City, Utah's largest urban center, grew for the second consecutive decade and the state's long-standing majority-white population is slowly being eroded by a growing Hispanic and Asian presence, according to 2010 Census results released Thursday.

    "Four out of 10 new Utah people from 2000 to 2010 are minorities," says Pamela Perlich, senior research economist at the University of Utah's Bureau of Economic and Business Research. "There's a wave of diversity sweeping across the state."

    The changes are more apparent among the young: almost one in four Utah residents under 18 is a minority.

    The Census numbers show about 10,000 more Hispanics in the state than demographers had estimated.

    Still, whites who are not Hispanic account for more than half the state's overall growth of 24% to 2.8 million. The Hispanic population grew 78% to more than 358,000.

    "We're two generations behind the rest of the nation in this wave of diversity," Perlich says.

  • wrz Hicksville, Mexico
    March 5, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    Let's get a few things straight.

    If I were an Hispanic in Mexico I would hustle over to Nuevo Leon and sign up for a job picking apples in the US. Then, after the work was done I would just disappear into the woodwork and stay in the US. The politicians ignore the fact that 40 percent of illegals came to the US in that very fashion. They come on legal visas but overstay... they forget to go home.

    Law makers seem to think there are jobs that Americans won't do... such as milking cows at a dairy or picking berries. Think about it a minute... The reason Americans won't take those jobs is becasue illegals here have driven wages so low that Americans can't live on them. Secondly, the unemployed American has no incentive to get a job since they are getting billions in unemployment benefits at high rates. Who wants to go to work picking berries when they can sit home for 99 weeks drawing unemployment? I guarantee that if unemployment were cut off these Americans would be hustling to these "jobs that Americans won't take."

    Can you say amnesty?

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    March 5, 2011 2:51 p.m.


    Current federal laws allow the legal hiring of immigrants to do the work Americans don't want. The rules require that you put an add out and if not enough apply you can then sign up for and get all the legal immigrant help that you require.
    Utah businesses that hire illegal help do so only to pad there own pockets with more cash at the expense of those businesses trying to do it the right way.
    This behavior undercuts both American and legal immigrant workers by driving down wages and artificially lowering prices across the board. This is, in the long term, very damaging to our economy.
    It's been estimated that the hiring of legal help would only drive up costs a very insignificant amount.
    However, the cost to our welfare, schools, and medical systems would be significantly reduced.

    Our legislature has turned a blind eye to the people of Utah in a very short sighted attempt to appease the business community and they will pay at the polls.

    Show me someone running for office who wants to get serious about illegal immigration and I'll show them my vote.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    March 5, 2011 2:13 p.m.

    I cannot begin to express how angry I am with our legislature who turned a blind eye to the average Utah citizen and instead pandered to the will of utah business. My vote will be wholey based on whether or not my representatives voted for or against this amnesty bill.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    March 5, 2011 1:31 p.m.


    Do you believe it is fair to assume that people understand certain things simply because of their race and immigration status? Being a non-latino, legal immigrant does not guarantee that a person correctly understands diversity and/or immigration. This is evidenced by your suggestion that opposing illegal immigration is the same as rejecting diversity and immigration in general. Perhaps you would be willing to respond with content, instead of merely making on general statements about your race and immigration status.

    By the way, have you ever stopped to think of how our country's lax approach toward illegal immigration affects less fortunate parts of the world? As you support the idea of returning criminals to their countries of origin, what do you think will happen abroad as the number of people who want a better life decreases and the number of criminals increases?

    More criminals and fewer "good, hard-working citizens" = what?

    We should consider not only the few who can afford to pay human smugglers to sneak them into the U.S., but also the countrymen who they abandon.

  • WApride Mt. Pleasant, UT
    March 5, 2011 12:20 p.m.

    I'm actually a legal immigrant in the United States, of non-latino background, therefore, I'm pretty sure my concepts of diversity and immigration are sorted out quite correctly. Nice try, though!

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    March 5, 2011 11:57 a.m.

    What a disappointment these Utah politicians are - I'm talking about the weak and frail minded ones that just past this piece of work. I'm with everyone else who are angry and who will not use my god-given right to vote for them again. As far as I am concerned, they have just cooked their goose. I think they should all go live in Mexico and have their eyes opened to what will happen here if they keep making these blundering choices. There should be no benefits for those to cross our borders, climb the fences that are built to keep them out...start doing what you were elected to do...and that's not coddle the illegals - which is exactly what you have done. Pathetic!!!

  • Janell Ventura, Ca
    March 5, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    4 simple words: Vote them All OUT!!!

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    March 5, 2011 10:57 a.m.


    Are you suggesting that one cannot embrace both diversity and the rule of law? I disagree. Our legal immigration system is set up to help diversify our country while not providing preferential treatment to people of one race or nationality. As you are comfortable referring specifically to Latinos with regard to illegal immigration, I assume that you are aware that studies show they make up a disproportionate amount of illegal immigrants in the U.S. Attempts to diversify our country are actually hindered by such a dominant addition from only one ethnic group, unless you consider diversity to be so narrow as to be merely having a smaller proportion of whites. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you recognize that diversity is far more than that.

    As is the case with so many supporters of illegal immigration, your obfuscation of the difference between legal and illegal immigrants is saddening. To suggest that those who reject illegal immigration are rejecting immigration and diversity in general is no different than suggesting that those who oppose stealing are opposed to helping the poor and hungry in general. Neither is a sensible approach.

  • lawenforcementfromAZ Glendale, AZ
    March 5, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    It would be an understatement to say that I am appalled by what these legisltors have done! Utah has just opened the door for thousands of illegal immigrants to rush in to beat the deadline to get the so called "work permit".

    It is also appalling that legislators knowingly take time to pass a bill for "work permits" which is illegtal on its surface, and knowing that our economy is in shambles and millions are out of work.


  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    March 5, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    Its all about greed. The Demo's want the votes and the Rino's want the cheap labor. This is not the free market system, when those that hire the illegals dont pay them enough for them to survive and then the illegals have to come to the social networks to take care of their health care, food, rent, schooling etc. Its like starting a business and then going to your neighbor and asking him to kick in and help meet the payroll of your company. Thats exactly what is happening.

    Last winter i was outbid by a company hiring illegals. The job took 3 weeks to complete and after materials there was $700 left to pay labor, nails and taxes. These companys or llc'c are allowed to list these employees as part owners and there is no workers comp or taxes being collected or paid. This is all got to stop.

    This combined free market and welfare does not work for the good of the whole.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    March 5, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    In support of the comments of "azresident" and having lived in Tucson, AZ for 38 years, people here in Utah can't understand the problem of a border state. AZ is in deep financial trouble and not because of public service unions like Wisc. But because of illegals using the services in that state without participating through taxes. Utah should not have to enforce immigration laws and SHOULD NOT be establishing a guest worker program, this should be done by the Federal government. But with the current administration and Atty Gen that won't happen. Passing these laws will just bring more illegals to Utah. They take the jobs our youth could fill, they use the medical system at taxpayers expense, and they contribute nothing to our society. CALL the Gov, CALL the representative and stop this lunacy. If they won't listen, then start a recall petition. Get them out of office.

  • WApride Mt. Pleasant, UT
    March 5, 2011 9:49 a.m.

    I've read so many hypocritical things here. You keep calling yourselves ''tax payers'', but do you know how much money illegal immigrants put in the economy? Do you know how much they help the business cycle? Latinos come here to work, to become a part of this country, and they truly try their hardest to integrate. I agree that if they commit a crime, they should be sent right back. However, this country was founded on immigration. That's what makes America great. Open your minds, people. Accept diversity. Embrace your immigrants rather than exclude them from your society. That's what creates social gaps, gangs, poverty, etc. Immigrants are here to stay, wheter you like it or not. Nationalism (NOT patriotism) is the root of so many evils. Don't do it to yourself.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    March 5, 2011 9:38 a.m.

    But we don't have to, we have the H-2A visas for farmers, ranchers, and even dairies. We don't need illegal help, we have enough, and if we need more, agriculture visas are unlimited.

    If you go on google and search immigration it brings up news of Utah's guest worker program. We are going to be over run. That's going to end up in resentment.

    How about we get the lazy business owner off his seat, and make him work. Make him earn a living off from immigration welfare? Get off the public dole, and start earning your living within the law.

  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    March 5, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    A great comprehensive bill if Congress had passed it instead of the Utah Legislature.

    As it is it's not much more than another quirky message bill the legislature is famous for. The enforcement side is weaker than what already exists in federal law, and the "guest worker" provisions are unwise on a Utah only basis.

    On the enforcement side, all of the legal tools for local law enforcment to participate with federal ICE agents already exist in Secure Communities and 287(g). There is no need for a weaker unfunded Utah enforcement bill. Instead, more counties than Weber and Washington should sign on to 287(g) agreements.

    On the benefit side it makes little sense to have a Utah only "guest worker" program. Such a program can only be done effectively nationally for all states equally. Otherwise, it creates a magnet for undocumented workers, a conflict between federal and state law, and every state having different laws.

    While the details of the comprehensive Utah bill closely match the guidelines of the Utah Compact, this bill misses the most fundamental principle of the Utah Compact. The principle that comprehensive reform should be left to Congress, not the state legislatures.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 5, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    There are comments that that Americans would be willing to do the hard dirty jobs if they were paid enough. My only question is what advantage is there in having the price of food and other things go up just so Americans can do this work?

    Shouldn't Americans be educating themselves and their children sufficiently so they can qualify for jobs that pay well? School should be taken seriously and time not wasted. People should seriously consider getting a post secondary education. People who refuse to do this shouldnt not demand that business. And farms pay more fo menial labor when this would hurt business and all of us by making many things more expensive than necessary.

  • Dan Walters La Quinta, CA
    March 5, 2011 9:15 a.m.

    The Utah Chamber of Commerce and the Open Border Hustlers are having their way with the people of Utah. Utah will now become a joke like California with its wimpish Illegal Immigration laws. The question is will the good people of Utah act sheepish and gutless in the face of this sell out or will they put a stop to these political panderers from doing their evil deed and act with bravery and constitution?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    Kick the gang members and criminals out. Keep those who are will show up to do jobs we really dont want to do.

    Want to keep a Mexican out? Volunteer for a dirty job. Do the work with a positive attitude. Show up to work every day you are suppsed to and do it without illegal drugs in your system.

    Do this and business will not lobby to be able to have/keep these workers and you will probably all get your way.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:21 a.m.

    Let's suppose you wanted to put "Supported Sweeping Immigration Reform" on your campaign literature.
    And let's suppose you could pass a bill that would appeal to the amnesty crowd with a bit of optional enforcement sprinkled in.
    This bill is a match made in heaven for fence-sitting politicians.
    Thanks for nothing.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:13 a.m.

    Nothing in this legislature does anything. Sandersons laws were watered down in the senate, now they are identical to current laws being enforced. Wrights bill is unconstitutional and will be thrown out of court, along with e-verify and any enforcement provisions. The bill is not due to take effect for two years. Didn't the Hispanic groups call for a two year time out, and the legislature reject it? Wright brought it back.

    H2-A agriculture bills are available already for farmers, and are unlimited Americans would do their work, if paid a fair wage. All the other jobs have a majority of citizens working them. We don't have a lack of workers, we have a lack of business owners that like illegal immigration welfare instead of working harder. Why should they when the taxpayers subsidize them with illegal workers?

    Is labor lazy, or is it the business owners?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:05 a.m.

    Since when is taking ideas from all sides a bad thing? Knowing that no human being on earth has ever told a policeman, no don't give me the warning ticket, I insist you give me the real ticket'. I don't EVEN want to read or hear any complaints about amnesty going to these people.

    Anti immigration people would throw children out of the only country they have ever kown. They want to deny these children ANY education. I have no respect for their mean ways and small hearts. If all Americans were this way it would make me ashamed to be an American.

  • Larry Willard, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    Utah does not count the votes, Republicans are always in office.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    Many educated and well to do people from other countries wait legally in line for US Immigration to stop giving away citizenship to illegals.

    The Utah lawmakers are not in touch with what is best for the state.

    I am certain that the $00 million it takes to educate the illegals annually in Utah could be put to better use in the education system.

    The lawmakers are elected to make hard decisions yet when the crunch time comes they take the easy way out. They do not take their job serious enough to do what they were hired to do.

    Too bad for the rest of us.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    March 5, 2011 7:25 a.m.

    How many ways is there to spell Amnesty! What a sham! Remember this come election time. Waddoups hah!

  • DavisMan Clearfield, UT
    March 5, 2011 7:13 a.m.

    What did you expect from them? They hear mainly from the people who gain something from this bill. The rest won't even take the time to seen them an email saying what they think. This bill is wrong and Americans know it, all it does is help the rich keep what they can steal from the workers.

  • azresident Mesa, AZ
    March 5, 2011 7:04 a.m.

    This is just asking for trouble. I don't even know where to begin. First, the argument that "employers can't fill the jobs that illegals do." Well, employers, pay your employees a living wage & you will be surprised how many applicants you will have. Everyone knows illegals work for pennies and/or get paid under the table. Our high school boys used to work in construction as roofers, framers,& drywallers but those jobs go to the illegals now, & our sons are without work. 2nd, "guest workers" don't go home. Arizona is filled with them. 3rd Some of your hospitals are going to bleed to death, especially in rural areas. The illegals simply walk away from their bills. 4th--your children's education will be impaired by those children who speak little English & need lots of the teacher's time. Of course, most legislators don't live in those areas & it won't be their kids in those classrooms. 5th--crime. We recently had a beheading in our area. Drug related. But an illegal perpetrator nonetheless. And illegals prey on illegals because they won't call the police.

  • carminaburana Provo, UT
    March 5, 2011 6:37 a.m.

    I don't understand American citizens (I am a "naturalized citizen"). You complain when the federal government wont' tackle immigration as promised and you complain when your State wants to do something about it. My husband has owned several businesses over the years. He says it time and time again, it is very hard to find "American" workers in certain fields because they won't work as hard as the 'illegals" you complain about, won't show up to work because of drug issues or won't work certain jobs (for example, farms).I don't support people entering the country illegally. However, your laws and regulations make it almost impossible for the average low-middle class foreigner to immigrate in order to study and sometimes visit the US. Forget about a obtaining a work permit!

  • Kiwini 52 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2011 6:36 a.m.

    People who run for office do so knowing full well that everything they say and do will be scrutinized by those who elected them. The passage of HB477 the peoples representatives have voted to keep secret their doings. I wonder what they are doing or want to do that needs to be kept secret from those they are supposed to be looking after.
    I just read a book that talked about people who govern in such a manner. I include a passage from that book, those Gadianton robbers filling the judgment-seatshaving usurped the power and authority of the land; laying aside the commandments of God, and not in the least aright before him; doing no justice unto the children of men (Helaman 7:4).

  • AZEIR Phoenix, AZ
    March 5, 2011 5:33 a.m.

    The simple truth is there ARE jobs Americans won't do and there are not jobs not ENOUGH Americans will do. Anyone who thinks otherwise is ignoring reality. The reason legislators listen to the business community is because THEY create the jobs that pay wages.

    Has the Eagle Forum created any jobs in Utah?

    Has the Utah Coalition On Illegal Immigration created any jobs in Utah?

    Has the Federal of Americans for Immigration Reform created any jobs in Utah?

    Have the Center for Immigration Studies and NumbersUSA created any jobs in Utah?

    Nope and they never will. That's why when it comes to what helps keep those paychecks coming, the legislature needs to listen to those who pay them, not those who have no clue how to do it.

    Is the "Utah Solution" perfect? No, but it's a lot better than following Arizona's ineffective and economy-killing lead.

    Thank you to the Utah legislators who kept their cool and passed something that makes sense.

  • AmPatriot Kearns, UT
    March 5, 2011 3:59 a.m.

    These bills and the Utah Compact do nothing more than repeal the Federal Labor Laws the protects the jobs and rights of the United States working citizens of America.

    These bills, if left to stand, are criminal infractions of the established laws of immigration and the federal department of ICE and department of Labor.

    It is criminal that our elected representatives of Utah are choosing this path of subversion of wages and incomes so low that even poverty is a progressive economic improvement. The citizen of Utah have lost all their rights and freedoms to the will of Sen Robles and the government of Mexico. Utah has passed a law that legalizes and promotes human trafficking to a new level. Not only does Utah approve of trafficking, our representatives are taking part in it. Illegals won't have to bother using the borders to cross anymore, they just stand around the airports in Mexico and Utah will have shuttle flights that fly them to SLC with no need to contact the US immigration department. Utah will give them each a get out of jail free card and welfare card as they deplane at the airport.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    March 5, 2011 3:42 a.m.

    Brambles bill will go down to defeat in the courts. It will take with it E-verify and checking immigration status. This bill kills everything done this legislature.

    Lawyers and the ACLU have claimed it to be unconstitutional. And how can he kill other peoples bills by saying it would cost police agencies money to enforce, yet dump this program into the Department of Public Safety requiring them to foot the bill?

    Giving American jobs away to law breakers is dishonest and against the law. Utah's Republicans may not care about our constitution and laws, but I do.

    The open enrollment until May is sure to bring in more illegal labor.

  • josephclark sandy, utah
    March 5, 2011 12:53 a.m.

    "I will call this what it is. This is pure and simple amnesty!
    we don't want illegal people to have drive license, we don't want illegal people to have work permition, we don't want illegal people here.

    what's going on? Utah is saying that is legal to be illegal here, we don't have place for us anymore because there is a lot of illegal coming to utah every day because here is so easy to be illegal, here they can be happy, they have all this privilege and we can't do anything about, because the senate and house of representative is crazy!

    I just feel angry! we need something like Arizona law here in Utah!

    42.000 illegal people driving here with privilege, that's why we have all this freaking traffic, all the illegal people is coming here every day so we don't have place for us anymore.
    I don't need illegal people here, we don't want illegal people here!

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    March 5, 2011 12:41 a.m.

    Business and those here illegally need to remember the golden rule.

  • attentive Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2011 12:06 a.m.

    I hope someone from the governor's office is taking the time to read these comments. No open invitation for other people to come to Utah to be employed! There aren't jobs enough here for those who are already living here on a permanent basis!

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    March 4, 2011 10:39 p.m.

    It is WRONG for the taxpayers to subsidize these people here illegally with in state tuition. The drivers privilege card should be eliminated and there should not be a 'guest' worker program. We need to call our representatives and remind them who they represent. And if they don't get the message, then elect people who will uphold the law and the Constitution. We need to contact the Gov. in mass telling him to VETO these bills.

  • Sqweebie Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    @US patriot - I am white - and I can't get a job in my chosen field of work because I don't speak spanish. I know that with my job skills I can make at least $11 an hour which is great. Why should I have to move to another state in order to get a job?

    The resorts hire illegals because they need people who speak spanish and since they seem to be the ones who speak it the most fluently are given the jobs. There are many dialects of spanish and even with the differences between them they can communicate together.

    I feel like I have moved into a totally different country. Utah gov wants the federal gov to butt out - because it feels that they DON'T HAVE to obey the laws of the land.

  • Speak English - USA West Jordan, UT
    March 4, 2011 9:42 p.m.

    Absolulely no guest worker program in Utah!

    State legislators are not listening. I e-mailed 8 of them on Wednesday and not a single one of them has responded. They are ignoring the wishes of Utahns.

    We do NOT want illegals in our state or in our country. How hard is it for you guys to understand?

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    March 4, 2011 8:15 p.m.

    The worse thing the legislature can do is to not enforce laws that make a difference. Ignore your constituents and follow the needs of business.

    It's just going to create greater resentment.

    Email the Governors office, and tell him you are not going to accept this lack of action by our legislature.

    By bringing back the drivers privilege cards, they are telling those here illegally that Utah approves of their law breaking. Not following the law is OK if it benefits business.

    Take away a mans job and ability to feed his family, and he is going to build resentment and hate. We need the unions back, they kept immigration in check during the 50's-70's. They may be the only chance to save our jobs.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    March 4, 2011 8:06 p.m.

    I cannot believe that our senators and reps. can go up on the hill and waste time on bills like having a state gun, or recognizing gold and silver coins as currency, or what to do about homeless cats, when there are more pressing issues like illegal immigration and how it is affecting the people or the citizens of utah. What about the economy, or jobs, or the loss of jobs?

  • cc0623 Roosevelt, utah
    March 4, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    US Patriot says "You supported laws that made them illegal". No We supported laws to keep them from entering the country illegally, there is a big difference bud. The US has laws in place that are supposed to prevent individuals from entering the US illegally, the US has laws that provide for guest workers, The US cannot open the flood gates and allow entrance into the US for anyone that wants to come. The US has limited resources and cannot take care of everyone in this world. BTW I know of a company that hires illegals and pays them 16+hr to do jobs that Utah citizens would love to have. They pay them under the table and do not have to provide benefits to them. So your rhetoric does not make sense.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    March 4, 2011 7:59 p.m.

    US Patriot, the government has the H-2A and H-2B visas for farm and agriculture work. Your excuses for breaking the law is not valid. The help is there already.

    If business refuses to follow this countries law, why should the rest of us? I feel there is no reason for citizens to follow the laws, if we don't make everyone else.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    March 4, 2011 7:25 p.m.

    @ US Patriot==I havent heard that excuse for illegal immigration for along time. "They are only doing jobs that americans wont do." It was balogna back then and its stale balogna now. People that are illegal are illegal because they broke the law. They came across the border without permission. They dont have a right to be here. My ancestors come thru ellis island legally, and they did not sponge off from the system. They came to be americans. They were proud of their heritage, but they were americans.

  • US Patriot Taylorsville, UT
    March 4, 2011 6:58 p.m.

    I'm tired of the bile the above positions represent. I'm tired of the emotionally-based talk with made up facts.
    1. Even in this recession farms, hotels, resorts, and other places cannot get legal residents of Utah to work in jobs that immigrants will work in. I know I help more than 5,000 companies fill positions with legal workers.
    2. Why shouldn't a farmer, who cannot fill his positions, have the right to bring people into clear his fields, or for legal citizens to sponsor family member living in other countries.
    3. Many of the people you scream are illegal, are illegal only because you supported laws that made them illegal.
    4. Most of the people screaming about illegal immigrants today are descended from people who came to this country without papers and were blasted by the citizenry of their day: Irish, Italians, Welsh, Chinese, and others.

  • Casca Orleans, IN
    March 4, 2011 6:35 p.m.

    Stop complaining?

    Use blue pages in your phone book, to locate your Utah State Representative and bombard them about their unconcerned attitude towards illegal immigration and massive hundred billion costs and your spiraling taxes to support them.. NumbersUSA has answers for their million plus person membership and where you can send free faxes

    March 4, 2011 6:15 p.m.

    The drivers privilege card is part of Wrights guest worker bill. I think the guest worker bill is a ploy to save the drivers privilege card, since it's part of the bill.

    Senator Bramble was the insurance industries legislature of the year. It's not about America's workers, it's about selfish interests of individuals. Flooding the labor market is our Senates priority.

  • Littlebit Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2011 5:46 p.m.

    Like so many others on this comment board, I am feeling completely frustrated and misled. Prior to and at the beginning of the legislative session, there was strong talk of enforcement laws with teeth, but now that has been pushed aside in favor watered-down, wimpy, "feel good" legislation. I am just waiting for some last-minute bill to pass that will basically give all sorts of privileges to the illegals, and the legal, law-abiding, tax-paying citizens will be left holding the bag, or more accurately, the bill. What is going on behind closed doors and behind our backs?? Business lobbyists? Leaders of various churches? What do we have to do to be heard? I have written my senator and representative several times apiece. One I didn't hear back from at all, and the other one sent an email saying my views would be "considered". What is there left for us to do? I feel like screaming!

  • OneMadGuy Salt Lake, UT
    March 4, 2011 5:41 p.m.

    So if a undocumented student qualifies for a guest worker permit why does that mean we should subsidize their collage education. Utah is already paying $400 million a year to educate illegal alien children in K --> 12.
    We don't want to add their collage education onto that bill.

    "HB466, which would establish a partnership with the Mexican state of Nuevo Leon to supply workers to Utah, sailed through the House on Friday without a dissenting vote".

    What are these house guys thinking? Everyone is telling them they want the illegals out of Utah and they are planning to "partner" with Mexico to bring more "workers" here. This is NUTS.

    The citizens of Utah are very tired of paying for the costs of illegals. They want illegals out. If our elected representatives can't hear what we are saying then we want our elected officials out.

    Call and email your elected officials and tell them if they pass "make illegal legal" bills they do so at the risk of their position. Utahns are really mad and we won't forget this before for the next election.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    March 4, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    Legislators please pack your bags because i sure dont think that you will return. Is the air so thin up there at the capitol that you forgot who voted you in, and what they wanted you to do?

  • cc0623 Roosevelt, utah
    March 4, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    I am an irate taxpayer. I do not pay taxes to support illegal aliens. The share of taxes I contribute are for the benefit of all Utah children birthed by Utah & US Citizens. It is not my financial responsibility to see that illegal aliens and their children are cared for, educated, medicated, doctored or incarcerated.
    I am asking every Utah tax paying citizen to please call or email Gov. Herbert about this issue. I have been emailing and calling all our state Representatives and demanding they take responsibility for supporting the wishes of Utah tax payers and not corporations and religious organizations. If we are going to prevail on this matter we need to scream loud enough to be heard.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2011 4:25 p.m.

    "right or wrong" If I'm not mistaken the "driving privilege card" HAS TO stay in place in order to accomodate the "guest worker" bill. (the illegal trespassers will need them theoretically to "register")

    Taxpayers please BEWARE! Utah lawmakers are trying all sorts of ways to confuse the issues and get what the AMNESTY LOBBYISTS want!

    Gov. Herbert, being the chief exec. in Utah (and being from the majority party of both the house and senate) SHOULD be taking the lead on this issue and SHOULD BE leading for enforcement ONLY. Email him and ask him WHY he doesn't do that!

    Changing the bills' "sponsor" and using all sorts of maneuvering tactics I am afraid will result in Utahns being saddled with mostly "pro amnesty" legislation and the various lawmakers will all be blaming each other, round and round we go!!!

    Utah citizens need the jobs. We DON'T need workers from other countries!

  • Right or Wrong Happy Valley, Utah
    March 4, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    I still want to know what happened to getting rid of the driving privilege card?

    By getting rid of this there is no racial profiling. No privilege to those that break the law. Compassion for those that do things the are supposed to.

  • 1UScitizen Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    Sooo...lemme get this straight. there aren't enough jobs to go around...yet our state government wants to give illegal aliens "Guest Worker Permits". Doesn't the word "Guest" imply "One Who Was Invited" ? this lie is completely offensive. illegal aliens aren't "Invited"..if anything they are "intruders" those who force there way in without invitation , and in violation of the law.
    ...and offering education incentive programs to the children of these criminals...who also are "intruders" when the state's school system is cutting classes , and wondering where funding for the education of "our own" children is going to come from is "unfair" to our children , and those whose taxes pay for public education to begin with. the only people who benefit from "guest Worker Permits" , and education incentives for the children of illegal aliens , are the greedy corporations who should be being "punished' for hiring illegal aliens , and the people who aren't supposed to be in this country..let alone this state. its "plain-out bigotry" to give education incentives to a particular group of people while spending for others keeps dropping for all others.

  • stevep38now Provo, UT
    March 4, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    Brambles bill is right on the money! Those idiot RINOs (republicans in name only) have caved into external pressure from groups that do not have Utah's best interest in mind, to pass a Utah Illegal Sanctuary bill. This will NOT stand! There will be political payback at the polls next election!!!!

  • libertarianmind Tooele, UT
    March 4, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    Please quit calling these bills Immigration bills , they are no such thing, and have nothing to do with immigration, these bills are aimed at illegal aliens so please use the correct term, the hodgepodge of bills stuffed together and emasculated by Bramble with the support of Wright are the wrong direction, Bramnesty is Pelosi style politics at its best, gut the enforcement and homogenize the rest into a Utah amnesty. I hope the senate is aware of the political cost if they try to shove this down our throats like Pelosi did with the health care mess, each House bill sent to the senate should be voted on individualy not as some mixed and fermented cluster of Bramsburger cheese.

  • cc0623 Roosevelt, utah
    March 4, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    I am very disappointed with Utah's lawmakers. Their responsibility is to the Utah tax paying citizens NOT big business, industry, colleges, or religous organizations. The Utah taxpayer wanted enforcement. I hope you all remember who put us last when it comes time to vote again.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 4, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    guest worker bills violate both the Utah and US constitution. This misguided effort is wrong.

  • We the People Sandy, UT
    March 4, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    Please punish those here illegally and those that hire them. We do not need guest worker programs nor any other nonsense. Stop trying to be politically correct and starting enforcing our laws and uphold our sovereignty.