the US government does not make treaties with different races....they make
treaties with other governments. The relationship between Indian people and the
federal government is not a race-to-government relationship. It is a
government-to-government relationship. When Indian people question
government actions or mistreatment, it has to do with the enforcement of treaty
rights and obligations....or promises made and not kept.Please do
not make this about race. It is about one government (state of utah) and its
relationship with other governments located within the state (the american
Indian tribes). If the state of Utah isn't getting what they want, they are
going to find someone who will help them get it. Unfortunately this usually
comes by ignoring the laws of the land.
I'm not sure what the purpose or intent is of some of these comments. Maybe to
vent frustration? There is a better way to relieve frustrations and that's with
the truth. Maybe I can offer some 'truth' that will help...if accepted. It's
impossible to understand until you've had the job, walked the walk, taken the
heat, been there, experienced that, and learned first hand. Things are rarely
as we imagine. Hardly as devious as we suppose. We simply don't know. But,
when we are angry, feeling helpless, we often imagine the worst to justify our
discontent. Solution? Get involved. Take the time to experience what you
don't understand. Volunteer-ism will enable you to do just about anything. Hold
your tongue, watch, listen, learn, and be a better person for it. Until you
talk with all involved, you're not qualified to speak on anyone's behalf. It
does them and you a dis-service. Take that frustration and put it to work.
Re: Uncle Mal, Rose ParkSave the Drama for your Mama!! Like you
would quietly walk away if you had just lost your means to support your family,
ability to pay your bills and prepare for your future after thirteen plus years
of service, and without a reason given? If you did I would question your
backbone! You are right people get hired and they get fired, but people in the
public sector work for the tax payers, the Gov. works for the taxpayers also,
and in this case happens to be the dismissed individuals supervisor as it were.
If the dismissal is justified give the reason. "No reason for
dismissal" just doesn't cut it.
He worked as an appointee of the governor. Political appointees get hired and
fired at will. That's the way it works. He should have known this and should
have the dignity to walk away quietly. He was appointed, not anointed.
Considering:I'm glad you have never mistreated any American Indian.
You cited a bunch of groups that were historically mistreated and yes you are
right there. The American Indian experience I would say is very unique and
different however. The U.S. Government has been treated every tribe basically
as a conquered country through treaties, most of which were broken. American
Indians were given land ("reservations") not usually of their own
choosing and much of our government's history was capturing and then relocating
American Indians to these lands. Most did not go because they wanted to. There
is a unique relationship that exists between our government and the American
Indian reservations which I won't even pretend to understand. These
reservations have some sort of governing power within their lands (own govt.
structure, police etc.) but obviously these lands are within other local, state
and federal govt. areas. Some reservations cross state lands, some reservations
even envelop lands where mostly whites live (see Ute Reservation). Therefore,
because of this unique situation, positions like this exist and I think the
person in this position needs to be an advocate for the American Indians first,
Re: Oh Please 4:27pmCronyism is distasteful! In fact it is plain
disgusting especially by someone who is supposed to protect and serve all the
citizens Isn't it strange that this dismissal comes after a strong
complaint from a contractor. Doesn't this have a familiar ring? Isn't it
strange that there are no reasons given to the dismissed individual? Me thinks
something is strange, but thats only my opinion. Just seems like an all to
familiar trend continues.
It's time to send more state workers back into the private sector to be
I have no inside track however I feel it was a request from a majority of the
Native American community leaders and the Governor is trying to help them save
face. Like I said, I have no verification of this - just an observation.
@ConsideringIs there anything that a Republican has ever done that
you disagree with? So predictable to read so many of the comments
on this board day after day.
"In this case, the most important thing is that this gentleman does his job
well as a positive advocate for the American Indians of Utah not that he shares
the governor's vision or whatever that might mean."That is a
fine opinion. But it is NOT reflected in Utah law since this is clearly an
at-will position rather than a merit position.And our country had NO
"native population". Some folks immigrated earlier than others. But
to call the peoples who predated Columbus' discovery of the land
"native" is to take a very Euro-centric view of history.No
doubt the AmerIndians were mistreated. So too were the blacks, the Asians, the
Mormons, the Catholics, the Irish, and several other groups.Why do
the AmerIndians living in Utah need an advocate any more than the Mormons in
Missouri, Illinois, Ohio, or New York?I'm sorry some people were
mistreated. But I never mistreated them. My great-great grandfather did marry
an Indian woman. Her blood flows in my veins. How many living AmerIndians have
been mistreated?Isn't it time we ended racist policies, offices, and
Considering:In this case, the most important thing is that this
gentleman does his job well as a positive advocate for the American Indians of
Utah not that he shares the governor's vision or whatever that might mean. I
think some transparency with this is in order. I think this is a special case
because of the tragic and unfortunate history of our country in dealing with its
native population. Anything done here that could be construed as hurting the
American Indian further is a cause for some scrutiny. Sorry, that's how I see
Utah is a right-to-work State and an at-will employment State.As the
duly elected chief executive of the State, the Governor is entitled to hire and
fire whom he will for CERTAIN positions. How is a governor suppose to effect
his campaign promises and policy positions if he is unable to hire staff that
share his views.Many--too many--positions in government are
considered "merit" positions and employees cannot be fired. This is
the large and powerful, unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy that is really
the 4th and often most powerful, least responsive branch of government. Elected
officials come and go, the bureaucrats seem to stay around forever.I
don't why the governor let this guy go. IF at some point there is evidence it
was for untoward reasons, the governor will pay the political price for it.But I'd just as soon see governors and presidents have a lot more
positions that are at-will rather than so-called merit. Elections SHOULD have
consequences and the guy who wins the election should be able to hire those who
share his vision.
This is 2011, so why is there still a Division Affairs. Guess Lincoln forgot
about the Indians when he freed the slaves.
The article said no reason was given because it was a personnel issue. That
could include scores of legitimate reasons, but perhaps not one that could be
shared with the public. The other posters' cries of cronyism, etc. are
I'm surprised he actually made it this long.
We'll see very shortly why he was fired. Some crony of the governor's will get
a deal involving Native American interests, and then you'll know where the bribe
I don't know why he was terminated, but my dealings with Forrest is that he has
been very responsive to tribal causes.
Perhaps the governor will now become the Indian Affairs czar, as well as the
The man works for 13+ years for the state and is fired without an
explanation?So much for job security in Utah. I hope his replacement is
not a relative of the governor or one of his contributors as is so often the
case in this state.
I do not and can not believe he was fired for no reason, I mean this is
2011!!!!! He was fired because he was a problem for the brass in power, plain
and simple. He made too many waves so they fired him.