Governor Herbert says lawmakers went too far with budget cuts

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  • botdriver Midvale, UT
    April 21, 2011 8:51 p.m.

    I have a great Idea, since this legislature is against education, you know we just cut another 11% from the kids, why not stop funding it all together, lets use that money on.......umm.....ummm... I got it, more road projects, We have to find some place around here that doesn't have a road going to it, or maybe lets have a 15 lane highway, what do you think?? There has to be someone in the legislature here not influenced by big business greasing the palms when noone is looking. The priorities in this state is beyond comprehension, A Gov. who goes back on his word on the taxation of tobacco, which doesn't do nothing, but cut revenue, every added tax they come up with, takes money away from more product that could be bought, First we get attackeed by the federal gov. with all their taxes, then we get attacked from state gov. with theirs, Phone taxes fuel taxes, power taxes, food taxes, drink taxes, enetertainment taxes, everything has a tax,why did our forefathers ever go to war with England,when England only had to wait 230 years later to get the justice they wanted.

  • Led Zeppelin II Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 26, 2011 8:48 p.m.

    Sandstroms immigration bill is wrong. Just like every politician is wrong on immigration. What has happened to the United States when Ronald Reagan was president? Lincoln? Washington?
    Both parties cannot come op with a resonable plan for immigration because they are both big government and only care about re-election. Not We The People. I am cetain many great americans have better ideas but the politicans wont listen. The best answers are found in the Constitution. Something politicans have nearly destroyed. Bush and Obama are the worst Presidents we have ever had along with Wilson Jackson Carter and FDR.
    The Constitution says if the Government goes currupt that we the people have the right to abolish the government and start over.
    What are we waiting for?

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 25, 2011 2:31 p.m.


    "Every time there is an economic recession, the weak blame the most vulnerable."
    Really? So who was the most vulnerable during the great depression? Or the recession after the .com bust? Or the recession during the late 70's? Seems to me you made a statement hoping no one would call you on it. Fact is, Arizona is very satisfied with the way their new laws have been working. They are taking away incentives for illegals to live and work in their state and guess what? Contrary to what you wish was true, the illegals are leaving the state. Now I have no idea how that can be the case when the facts are in direct contrast to your insistence that it will never work.

  • FairEnough Draper, UT
    Feb. 25, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    Wedge issue. Fake solutions.
    Every time there is an economic recession, the weak blame the most vulnerable.
    This is just the youngest, weakest kid in a mean family kicking the dog.
    Most of you people who are busting blood vessels over illegal immigrantion are doing so without cause. A few are actually impacted, but your recommendations for Javertian solutions will never work--just like Arizona's solutions have not and will not work.

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    Feb. 25, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    We all say we believe in the protection of life, liberty, and property but when the legislature meets, I worry.

    It seems to me that when we start a budget with everyone worrying about what the legislature feels is not worth funding and make everyone have to lobby for their programs that we create unneccesary anxiety in the state. It also causes a lot of people who feel they are working for the betterment of the people to feel disrespected. People in the legislature can say the process is transparent but it's not good administration of people and if you don't administer to your people's needs, it's not a good adminsitration of resources. I think the governor understands this.

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    Feb. 25, 2011 10:25 a.m.

    EVERY year the legislature comes out with their budget cuts.

    Then EVERY year says "oops it wasn't as bad as we thought".

    "We're only going to cut 5% instead of 7%. See what a great job we are doing!"

    EVERY year.

  • DR Hall Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 25, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    Republicans have been blood thirsty for better than 10 years now. They started three bloddy wars in the middle east under false pretnses and have encouraged severe industrial accidents by ignoring safety regulations and our economic crisis was caused by Republicans too and it is still going on. How many people must lose money and starve their families and have small businesses shut down to please these corrupted Republicans? There is no love of America left in these Republicans and some Democrats. It is time for a cleansing of state and national Congresses.

  • Fred44 Grantsville, Utah
    Feb. 25, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    Going about the immigration fix all wrong. Heavily fine any company that employees illegals. No jobs, no reason to be here. Many people getting wealthy paying low wages or under the table cash. Problem with that idea, Republicans never do anything that might cut the profit of business.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Feb. 25, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    I agree with the Guv. Legislators, motivated by fanatic rhetoric, slashed the budget far more than it should have been slashed. Prudent budget cuts are one thing, but what the legislature did went to the bone - too far.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Feb. 25, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    Re: ". . . lawmakers went too far with budget cuts."

    Not true.

    In fact, it's impossible to go too far with budget cuts.

    When will people running our bloated government learn they're dealing with our money, not theirs?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 25, 2011 5:08 a.m.

    The gov will probably end up supporting a bill that doesn't satisfy extremists but does answer the legitimate needs of all sides.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 25, 2011 3:15 a.m.

    The US has plenty of impoverished people of all races. And the argument that Americans won't do the work of people here illegally is partly true, laws protect us from being underpaid and abused by dishonest business.

    Mexico has the 12th best economy in the world. Over 3 billion people in the world are worse off.

    The only way to make sure we are fair with Americans, other countries, and those who come here on work visas, is to enforce our laws.

    Work visas are available from the government for jobs that cannot be filled by American citizens. So lay off the Americans who demand a fair wage.

    We treat them like human beings, it's those that exploit them that you should be talking to. In the same respect, they need to respect us and our country and obey the law.

    Most people around here were indifferent in the 60's and 70's, it was the marching through the streets in 2006 woke the country up. Openly defying laws builds resentment.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 25, 2011 1:04 a.m.

    title on site: Guv not backing immigration bills
    title of article: Governor Herbert says lawmakers went too far with budget cuts

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 25, 2011 12:54 a.m.

    "Has anybody seen anyone other than poor hispanic women cleaning motel rooms."
    In my many travels I've seen many non-hispanics cleaning motel rooms. Now whether or not they are poor, I'll leave that one to you as you must be a much better judge than me of what constitutes poor.

    "You can't find white folks that would harvest crops all the day in the hot sun."

    Ha, ha, ha, so true. You know us lazy white folk, we don't want to get our hands dirty or get a nasty sun burn. But hold on.....except for the part where one of the things my fellow church members (a bunch of lazy white folk mind you) love to do is go out and volunteer at a local Dairy. Thats right, we work for FREE! Must be something wrong with us.

    But seriously, don't you find it a bit racist to use the color of ones skin or their ethnicity as the determining factor for what job that person is or is not willing to do.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 8:37 p.m.

    Blame everything on illegal immigrants. People are sick of it. We have an impoverished third world country next door and we are shocked people would come here any way they can. Most illegals are here working service sector jobs. Has anybody seen anyone other than poor hispanic women cleaning motel rooms. I never have. I grew up on a farm and I saw how hard migrant's worked. You can't find white folks that would harvest crops all the day in the hot sun. Lay off all the illegals. Most have a better work ethic and better attitude than those who are always villifying them. I have lived in Utah all my life and I can not recall a time when hispanics were not hated andn villified. People hate them because most are poor and more humble than many of us. Why can't we just treat them like human beings regardless of their immigration status.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 5:35 p.m.

    As usual Herbert is on both sides of the issue. Cowboy up Gary and enforce the law, it is your duty as Governor. We have been invaded and the state treasury is being looted. Obama won't protect us, it can start with you.

  • cerana Littleton, CO
    Feb. 24, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    "Your numbers are lies. Illegal and legal immigrants pour millions into the economy"
    My Gosh, CWEB. Why put both the illegal and legal immigrants together? We are only oppose to those illegal immigrants. Don't water it down. I am a legal immigrants and most US citizens don't have problems with me. I have problems with illegal immigrants leeching our resources and don't contribute to our society. They are pulling us down with their sorry cultures and way of living. I am done with that kind of culture that is why I moved here in the US LEGALLY! ENOUGH IS ENOUG! We don't have endless resources...especially if they don't pitch in either.

  • MuddleVanHeck Farmington, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 4:55 p.m.

    Gov. Herbert and our state lawmakers would find it in their best interest to start listening to their constituents on this matter. We have, in lockstep, denounced ANY form of amnesty. The excuse of issuing guest worker cards is an offense to all of us. There are numerous guest worker programs available to law-abiding employers should they find themselves unable to fill a job. In agriculture alone, only 2% of employers even bother to go through the process.

    We resoundingly say no - and unless you can't read or distinguish between the words of a Utah voter, a special-interest group or an illegal immigrant, you will find yourselves ousted in the next election.

    At a time when a multitude of states are getting tough on illegal immigration, this is not the time to become a sanctuary state.

    We ARE paying attention to each and every vote on this matter.

  • grambear4 Park City, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    I am having a difficult time wrapping my mind around the fact that at the same time that WalMart is donating a large portion of the million bucks they won recently to Utah food banks to help the much TV advertised below poverty level percentage of Utahs population (notably children are in the ads) there is proposed legislation for Utah to double the sales tax on food while reducing the sales tax on non-food items.

  • calou84523 Ferron, Utah
    Feb. 24, 2011 4:24 p.m.

    I hope the governor gets off the fence on the correct side . . . . the majority of Utahans (and Americans) want immigration laws enforced and no form of amnesty in spite of what Dan Jones' survey purports and the governor needs to take a stand.

  • AmericaInterwest La Quinta, CA
    Feb. 24, 2011 4:20 p.m.

    Guess What? We would have more money to hire teachers and to fund smaller classroom sizes and more pre-school programs if we didn't have to educate the millions of children born here to Illegal Immigrants and the Illegal Immigrant children not born here but yet enrolled in our system. A lot less funds would be needed for bilingual classes and special education. The cost per year to the taxpayer for a student in the Utah school system is $7500-$10,000. Average income tax payed by Illegal Immigrant family with four children equals $0. Total cost to taxpayer for four Illegal immigrant children $30,000-$40,000 plus per year. No wonder they are here Illegally. Utah taxpayers are being cheated out of what they are paying for and it will only get worse if we don't stop illegal immigration.

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    Feb. 24, 2011 4:15 p.m.

    I'd like to know if the governor is supporting this shamnesty or not as well. Deseret News, get your facts straight. If Herbert is taking the Utah Compact View and supporting any of the amnesty for illegals bills, it's time for all of us to give him a call or visit his office.

    We all need to unify on this issue and say no to amnesty, or Utah will be lost tp the mexican reconquista, as Arizona and California have become.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 3:34 p.m.

    Illegals take more than they give. Hands down, there is no question about that. It's simple math.

    Hire an illegal for $10/hour. He is paid in cash under the table. Works 50 hour weeks. That's $2000/month. Let's say they buy a home with 4-5 other illegal families. They pay about $300/month for each family. Out of that $1500 in taxes goes to the community. But within these families 5 of them end up at the emergency room during the year for a range of issues. The medical bill is $20,000 and is covered by taxpayers. Illegals were taxed on food and fuel totaling $500 during the year. They didn't pay insurance on their cars and don't have them registered. Their kids attend the schools and add to the number in the classrom per teacher ratio. They get free school breakfast and lunch and after school programs. An ESL teacher is brought in, everyone has to learn spanish to accomandate these kids.

    Illegals contribution approx $2000-3000 during the year. Their consumption $40,000-50,000. Not a good trade off.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 3:15 p.m.

    CWEB | 1:29 p.m.

    Why are these people so needed in America???

    Like "Say No to BO | 1:44 p.m." said... the people coming across the border ILLEGALLY are mostly young male high school dropouts.

    Why do we really need to IMPORT more High School Dropouts??? Don't we have enough already?

    If we really needed more young male High School Dropouts... I'm sure they would not be hard to find in the legal population. Maybe the High School Dropouts already on unemployment could fill this niche.

    American youths are complaining more and more today that there are no jobs left for them... how does importing cheap labor (in the form of uneducated illegal immigrants)... solve any long term problems?

    It may solve some short term needs... but it causes more long term problems if you ask me.

  • legalimmigrant Springville, Utah
    Feb. 24, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    "Illegals and legals pour millions into the economy" - they also drain millions
    "The Federal Government needs to fix the immigration system..." - could you enlighten us and tell us what is wrong? Or do you mean the enforcement of our immigration system is broken?
    "... and IF they did, we would have the same number of immigrants here.." - as long as there are rules, there will be people breaking the rules.
    "Because the nation needs them..." The nation needs honest, law-abiding immigrants, not cheaters.
    "You are not being hurt by their presence" - tell that to someone who has suffered identity theft from an illegal, or who has lost a job to an illegal

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 1:44 p.m.

    Lies, CWEB?
    Do tell.
    Here's what we know. About 175,000 people from Mexico get Green Cards each year. Not bad considering the 107 million population vs 6 billion other people in the world who do not get to come here.
    But for every one getting a Green Card, THREE more enter illegally from Mexico.
    And the profile is of a young, male, high school drop out.
    The nation needs them, you say?
    Lies, you say?
    Think again. The game is up and the politicians can no longer court the Latino vote using this one issue of "Reform" that simply means more of the same.

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    Nick, Fitness Freak, others,

    Your numbers are lies. Illegal and legal immigrants pour millions into the economy.

    The Federal Government needs to fix the immigration system, and IF they did, we would have the same number of immigrants here, they would just be legal.

    Why? Because the state, and NATION needs them. You are blind and uninformed if you think otherwise.

    You are not being hurt by their presence, they are just being hurt by your mean and unkind attitudes.

    All this effort should be place on the Federal Government to fill its role properly, and fix the system so these people (PEOPLE) can be helped.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    "nick" right on, I will be doing the same thing with my reps. (Fred Cox, and Karen Mayne).

    I don't think legislators REALLY UNDERSTAND how important this issue is to ACTUAL UTAH citizens!

    And if the 'guv' thinks he can sit on the sidelines and be held blameless he may incur some nomination consequences at state convention! HE SHOULD be the one leading the legislature towards anything and everything that lowers class size, returns jobs to Utah citizens and lowers taxes. Immigration enforcement does ALL of that!

    The citizens of Utah pay over 400million per year for the care and upkeep of our illegal "guests"!

    The lobbyists' for unethical businessmen are VERY STRONG, and I'm getting a REAL STRONG feeling that Utahs representatives are trying their very best to "wiggle their way" out of their obligations to Utah voters.

    Please - no more subidies to Utah businesses that employ illegal trespassers!

    All are welcome here - thru the "front door"!

  • Casca Orleans, IN
    Feb. 24, 2011 1:17 p.m.

    Don't think for one minute if Utah Gov. Gary Herbert signs onto an endorsement that allows a State Guest Worker program and not imposing penalties on business for not using E-Verify or any of Brambles Sen. Curt Brambles omnibus immigration bills. It will send a message to Arizona and other restrictive illegal alien States, that Utah has opened the floodgates and they have a welcome mat out to economic illegal nationals who see the State as a welfare refuge for families, instant citizen babies and with that food stamps, Medicaid, section 8 housing and cash payments for every child they conceive and welfare. As an Utahan or any other State who is sick of the IRS snatching your taxes to support the millions of illegal aliens squatting in America, demand that your (Federal or State) Senators or Congressmen pull the plug on the illegal immigrant invasion. Your Telephone book generally has a listing of both your local State and US government lawmakers who supposedly represents your rights. You can also join the regional TEA Party where you live, but also become a member the million plus of pro-sovereignty group of NumbersUSA.

  • EgbertThrockmorton Layton, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    DesNews has been hoodwinked again, by this rube of a Governor. The Salt Lake Tribune's front page today, is saying just the opposite. So who's lying to whom?
    While the majority of the Utah electorate are sheeple with blinders on, we DO deserve better than our state Legislators are providing, or the Governor. These clowns are pandering to anyone and everyone, just like the clowns in D.C. are doing.Time for mandatory term limits, retroactively.

  • nick Provo, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    I have been a long-time supporter of Senator Curt Bramble. His current efforts to water down immigration enforcemnt legislation have caused me to start encouraging friends to run against him in the Republican Primary. Curt has a tin ear and is ignoring his Provo constitutents. His actions are guaranteeing his defeat in 2012.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    Good for him. This is the legislature's job, not his.

  • mecr Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 12:38 p.m.

    The Salt Lake Tribune is saying the opposite. Would the reporters figure out what is the official position of the Governor??