I have a great Idea, since this legislature is against education, you know we
just cut another 11% from the kids, why not stop funding it all together, lets
use that money on.......umm.....ummm... I got it, more road projects, We have to
find some place around here that doesn't have a road going to it, or maybe lets
have a 15 lane highway, what do you think?? There has to be someone in the
legislature here not influenced by big business greasing the palms when noone is
looking. The priorities in this state is beyond comprehension, A Gov. who goes
back on his word on the taxation of tobacco, which doesn't do nothing, but cut
revenue, every added tax they come up with, takes money away from more product
that could be bought, First we get attackeed by the federal gov. with all their
taxes, then we get attacked from state gov. with theirs, Phone taxes fuel taxes,
power taxes, food taxes, drink taxes, enetertainment taxes, everything has a
tax,why did our forefathers ever go to war with England,when England only had to
wait 230 years later to get the justice they wanted.
Sandstroms immigration bill is wrong. Just like every politician is wrong on
immigration. What has happened to the United States when Ronald Reagan was
president? Lincoln? Washington? Both parties cannot come op with a
resonable plan for immigration because they are both big government and only
care about re-election. Not We The People. I am cetain many great americans have
better ideas but the politicans wont listen. The best answers are found in the
Constitution. Something politicans have nearly destroyed. Bush and Obama are the
worst Presidents we have ever had along with Wilson Jackson Carter and FDR. The Constitution says if the Government goes currupt that we the people have
the right to abolish the government and start over.What are we waiting
@FairEnough,"Every time there is an economic recession, the
weak blame the most vulnerable." Really? So who was the most
vulnerable during the great depression? Or the recession after the .com bust?
Or the recession during the late 70's? Seems to me you made a statement hoping
no one would call you on it. Fact is, Arizona is very satisfied with the way
their new laws have been working. They are taking away incentives for illegals
to live and work in their state and guess what? Contrary to what you wish was
true, the illegals are leaving the state. Now I have no idea how that can be
the case when the facts are in direct contrast to your insistence that it will
Wedge issue. Fake solutions.Every time there is an economic recession, the
weak blame the most vulnerable. This is just the youngest, weakest kid in
a mean family kicking the dog. Most of you people who are busting blood
vessels over illegal immigrantion are doing so without cause. A few are actually
impacted, but your recommendations for Javertian solutions will never work--just
like Arizona's solutions have not and will not work.
We all say we believe in the protection of life, liberty, and property but when
the legislature meets, I worry. It seems to me that when we start a
budget with everyone worrying about what the legislature feels is not worth
funding and make everyone have to lobby for their programs that we create
unneccesary anxiety in the state. It also causes a lot of people who feel they
are working for the betterment of the people to feel disrespected. People in the
legislature can say the process is transparent but it's not good administration
of people and if you don't administer to your people's needs, it's not a good
adminsitration of resources. I think the governor understands this.
EVERY year the legislature comes out with their budget cuts.Then
EVERY year says "oops it wasn't as bad as we thought"."We're only going to cut 5% instead of 7%. See what a great job we are
Republicans have been blood thirsty for better than 10 years now. They started
three bloddy wars in the middle east under false pretnses and have encouraged
severe industrial accidents by ignoring safety regulations and our economic
crisis was caused by Republicans too and it is still going on. How many people
must lose money and starve their families and have small businesses shut down to
please these corrupted Republicans? There is no love of America left in these
Republicans and some Democrats. It is time for a cleansing of state and
Going about the immigration fix all wrong. Heavily fine any company that
employees illegals. No jobs, no reason to be here. Many people getting wealthy
paying low wages or under the table cash. Problem with that idea, Republicans
never do anything that might cut the profit of business.
I agree with the Guv. Legislators, motivated by fanatic rhetoric, slashed the
budget far more than it should have been slashed. Prudent budget cuts are one
thing, but what the legislature did went to the bone - too far.
Re: ". . . lawmakers went too far with budget cuts."Not
true.In fact, it's impossible to go too far with budget cuts.When will people running our bloated government learn they're dealing
with our money, not theirs?
The gov will probably end up supporting a bill that doesn't satisfy extremists
but does answer the legitimate needs of all sides.
The US has plenty of impoverished people of all races. And the argument that
Americans won't do the work of people here illegally is partly true, laws
protect us from being underpaid and abused by dishonest business. Mexico has the 12th best economy in the world. Over 3 billion people in the
world are worse off. The only way to make sure we are fair with
Americans, other countries, and those who come here on work visas, is to enforce
our laws. Work visas are available from the government for jobs that
cannot be filled by American citizens. So lay off the Americans who demand a
fair wage. We treat them like human beings, it's those that exploit
them that you should be talking to. In the same respect, they need to respect us
and our country and obey the law. Most people around here were
indifferent in the 60's and 70's, it was the marching through the streets in
2006 woke the country up. Openly defying laws builds resentment.
title on site: Guv not backing immigration billstitle of article: Governor
Herbert says lawmakers went too far with budget cuts
@NielT"Has anybody seen anyone other than poor hispanic women
cleaning motel rooms."In my many travels I've seen many non-hispanics
cleaning motel rooms. Now whether or not they are poor, I'll leave that one to
you as you must be a much better judge than me of what constitutes poor. "You can't find white folks that would harvest crops all the day in
the hot sun." Ha, ha, ha, so true. You know us lazy white
folk, we don't want to get our hands dirty or get a nasty sun burn. But hold
on.....except for the part where one of the things my fellow church members (a
bunch of lazy white folk mind you) love to do is go out and volunteer at a local
Dairy. Thats right, we work for FREE! Must be something wrong with us.But seriously, don't you find it a bit racist to use the color of ones
skin or their ethnicity as the determining factor for what job that person is or
is not willing to do.
Blame everything on illegal immigrants. People are sick of it. We have an
impoverished third world country next door and we are shocked people would come
here any way they can. Most illegals are here working service sector jobs. Has
anybody seen anyone other than poor hispanic women cleaning motel rooms. I
never have. I grew up on a farm and I saw how hard migrant's worked. You can't
find white folks that would harvest crops all the day in the hot sun. Lay off
all the illegals. Most have a better work ethic and better attitude than those
who are always villifying them. I have lived in Utah all my life and I can not
recall a time when hispanics were not hated andn villified. People hate them
because most are poor and more humble than many of us. Why can't we just treat
them like human beings regardless of their immigration status.
As usual Herbert is on both sides of the issue. Cowboy up Gary and enforce the
law, it is your duty as Governor. We have been invaded and the state treasury is
being looted. Obama won't protect us, it can start with you.
"Your numbers are lies. Illegal and legal immigrants pour millions into the
economy"My Gosh, CWEB. Why put both the illegal and legal immigrants
together? We are only oppose to those illegal immigrants. Don't water it down.
I am a legal immigrants and most US citizens don't have problems with me. I
have problems with illegal immigrants leeching our resources and don't
contribute to our society. They are pulling us down with their sorry cultures
and way of living. I am done with that kind of culture that is why I moved here
in the US LEGALLY! ENOUGH IS ENOUG! We don't have endless resources...especially
if they don't pitch in either.
Gov. Herbert and our state lawmakers would find it in their best interest to
start listening to their constituents on this matter. We have, in lockstep,
denounced ANY form of amnesty. The excuse of issuing guest worker cards is an
offense to all of us. There are numerous guest worker programs available to
law-abiding employers should they find themselves unable to fill a job. In
agriculture alone, only 2% of employers even bother to go through the
process.We resoundingly say no - and unless you can't read or
distinguish between the words of a Utah voter, a special-interest group or an
illegal immigrant, you will find yourselves ousted in the next election.At a time when a multitude of states are getting tough on illegal
immigration, this is not the time to become a sanctuary state.We ARE
paying attention to each and every vote on this matter.
I am having a difficult time wrapping my mind around the fact that at the same
time that WalMart is donating a large portion of the million bucks they won
recently to Utah food banks to help the much TV advertised below poverty level
percentage of Utahs population (notably children are in the ads) there is
proposed legislation for Utah to double the sales tax on food while reducing the
sales tax on non-food items.
I hope the governor gets off the fence on the correct side . . . . the majority
of Utahans (and Americans) want immigration laws enforced and no form of
amnesty in spite of what Dan Jones' survey purports and the governor needs to
take a stand.
Guess What? We would have more money to hire teachers and to fund smaller
classroom sizes and more pre-school programs if we didn't have to educate the
millions of children born here to Illegal Immigrants and the Illegal Immigrant
children not born here but yet enrolled in our system. A lot less funds would be
needed for bilingual classes and special education. The cost per year to the
taxpayer for a student in the Utah school system is $7500-$10,000. Average
income tax payed by Illegal Immigrant family with four children equals $0. Total
cost to taxpayer for four Illegal immigrant children $30,000-$40,000 plus per
year. No wonder they are here Illegally. Utah taxpayers are being cheated out of
what they are paying for and it will only get worse if we don't stop illegal
I'd like to know if the governor is supporting this shamnesty or not as well.
Deseret News, get your facts straight. If Herbert is taking the Utah Compact
View and supporting any of the amnesty for illegals bills, it's time for all of
us to give him a call or visit his office.We all need to unify on
this issue and say no to amnesty, or Utah will be lost tp the mexican
reconquista, as Arizona and California have become.
Illegals take more than they give. Hands down, there is no question about that.
It's simple math.Hire an illegal for $10/hour. He is paid in cash
under the table. Works 50 hour weeks. That's $2000/month. Let's say they buy a
home with 4-5 other illegal families. They pay about $300/month for each family.
Out of that $1500 in taxes goes to the community. But within these families 5
of them end up at the emergency room during the year for a range of issues. The
medical bill is $20,000 and is covered by taxpayers. Illegals were taxed on food
and fuel totaling $500 during the year. They didn't pay insurance on their cars
and don't have them registered. Their kids attend the schools and add to the
number in the classrom per teacher ratio. They get free school breakfast and
lunch and after school programs. An ESL teacher is brought in, everyone has to
learn spanish to accomandate these kids.Illegals contribution approx
$2000-3000 during the year. Their consumption $40,000-50,000. Not a good trade
CWEB | 1:29 p.m.Why are these people so needed in America???Like "Say No to BO | 1:44 p.m." said... the people coming
across the border ILLEGALLY are mostly young male high school dropouts.Why do we really need to IMPORT more High School Dropouts??? Don't we have
enough already? If we really needed more young male High School
Dropouts... I'm sure they would not be hard to find in the legal population.
Maybe the High School Dropouts already on unemployment could fill this niche.American youths are complaining more and more today that there are no
jobs left for them... how does importing cheap labor (in the form of uneducated
illegal immigrants)... solve any long term problems?It may solve
some short term needs... but it causes more long term problems if you ask me.
@CWEB"Illegals and legals pour millions into the economy" - they
also drain millions"The Federal Government needs to fix the
immigration system..." - could you enlighten us and tell us what is wrong?
Or do you mean the enforcement of our immigration system is broken?"... and IF they did, we would have the same number of immigrants
here.." - as long as there are rules, there will be people breaking the
rules."Because the nation needs them..." The nation needs
honest, law-abiding immigrants, not cheaters."You are not being hurt
by their presence" - tell that to someone who has suffered identity theft
from an illegal, or who has lost a job to an illegal
Lies, CWEB?Do tell.Here's what we know. About 175,000 people from
Mexico get Green Cards each year. Not bad considering the 107 million
population vs 6 billion other people in the world who do not get to come
here.But for every one getting a Green Card, THREE more enter illegally
from Mexico.And the profile is of a young, male, high school drop out.The nation needs them, you say?Lies, you say?Think again. The
game is up and the politicians can no longer court the Latino vote using this
one issue of "Reform" that simply means more of the same.
Nick, Fitness Freak, others,Your numbers are lies. Illegal and
legal immigrants pour millions into the economy.The Federal
Government needs to fix the immigration system, and IF they did, we would have
the same number of immigrants here, they would just be legal.Why?
Because the state, and NATION needs them. You are blind and uninformed if you
think otherwise. You are not being hurt by their presence, they are
just being hurt by your mean and unkind attitudes.All this effort
should be place on the Federal Government to fill its role properly, and fix the
system so these people (PEOPLE) can be helped.
"nick" right on, I will be doing the same thing with my reps. (Fred
Cox, and Karen Mayne).I don't think legislators REALLY UNDERSTAND
how important this issue is to ACTUAL UTAH citizens!And if the 'guv'
thinks he can sit on the sidelines and be held blameless he may incur some
nomination consequences at state convention! HE SHOULD be the one leading the
legislature towards anything and everything that lowers class size, returns jobs
to Utah citizens and lowers taxes. Immigration enforcement does ALL of that!The citizens of Utah pay over 400million per year for the care and
upkeep of our illegal "guests"!The lobbyists' for
unethical businessmen are VERY STRONG, and I'm getting a REAL STRONG feeling
that Utahs representatives are trying their very best to "wiggle their
way" out of their obligations to Utah voters.Please - no more
subidies to Utah businesses that employ illegal trespassers!All are
welcome here - thru the "front door"!
Don't think for one minute if Utah Gov. Gary Herbert signs onto an endorsement
that allows a State Guest Worker program and not imposing penalties on business
for not using E-Verify or any of Brambles Sen. Curt Brambles omnibus immigration
bills. It will send a message to Arizona and other restrictive illegal alien
States, that Utah has opened the floodgates and they have a welcome mat out to
economic illegal nationals who see the State as a welfare refuge for families,
instant citizen babies and with that food stamps, Medicaid, section 8 housing
and cash payments for every child they conceive and welfare. As an Utahan or any
other State who is sick of the IRS snatching your taxes to support the millions
of illegal aliens squatting in America, demand that your (Federal or State)
Senators or Congressmen pull the plug on the illegal immigrant invasion. Your
Telephone book generally has a listing of both your local State and US
government lawmakers who supposedly represents your rights. You can also join
the regional TEA Party where you live, but also become a member the million plus
of pro-sovereignty group of NumbersUSA.
DesNews has been hoodwinked again, by this rube of a Governor. The Salt Lake
Tribune's front page today, is saying just the opposite. So who's lying to
whom?While the majority of the Utah electorate are sheeple with blinders
on, we DO deserve better than our state Legislators are providing, or the
Governor. These clowns are pandering to anyone and everyone, just like the
clowns in D.C. are doing.Time for mandatory term limits, retroactively.
I have been a long-time supporter of Senator Curt Bramble. His current efforts
to water down immigration enforcemnt legislation have caused me to start
encouraging friends to run against him in the Republican Primary. Curt has a
tin ear and is ignoring his Provo constitutents. His actions are guaranteeing
his defeat in 2012.
Good for him. This is the legislature's job, not his.
The Salt Lake Tribune is saying the opposite. Would the reporters figure out
what is the official position of the Governor??