BYU's sports budget not seeing red ink financing smaller sports

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  • jayelynn Provo, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    Track and field does not have a conference affiliation as of yet. It's not looking promising either. They have been so dominant in the MWC, they will miss participating in a conf meet, but will still have opportunities to qualify athletes for nationals and compete there.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 10:25 p.m.

    I'm guessing the amount of minor sports broadcast on BYUtv will be dependent on the cost of doing it. Most home games in most sports will probably be broadcast and select road games that have higher levels of interest like mens volleyball or baseball and games against highly ranked opponenents in most sports. I personally will watch quite a bit of them when they are on. I'd rather watch an athletic event in a minor sport than some stupid sitcom or reality show. Now we'll have those options.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Feb. 19, 2011 9:52 p.m.

    I agree. All sports will benefit from this. MWC is better this year in basketball than WCC but WCC has been comparable in the past. BYUTV is the key. ESPN will be great for the big games but I can't wait to see all of the other games. I wonder if BYU's men soccer team will get put on BYUTV?

  • ds7 American Fork, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    duckhunter...well said.

    i can't wait to tune into BYUtv and catch all kinds of BYU sports! far from being thrown under the bus...BYU has been liberated, especially the two biggies, men's football and basketball.

    one of the things i missed the most during the whole "mountain channel" embargo was going to the game at cougar stadium or the marriott center and then coming home and catching the re-broadcast on ch. 11 with our own announcers!

    rise and shout!

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    1st of all I will toot my own horn as the amount of revenue I posted they had was almost exact. Some on here (haters) doubted and claimed there was no way it was that much but this shows it is exactly the amount I said.

    But to dutchman, what are you talking about? How is any port being thrown under the bus? The only sport that might be taking a step down by its new affiliation is mens basketball and that is deabatable. Some sports, like baseball for instance, are moving up by going to the WCC. The WCC has 5 top 15 ranked baseball programs. I know one of the BYU baseball coaches very well and they are extremely excited by this move. Both because the level of competition is better and the sites and venues are better.

    The only sport that was left without an affiliation was the softball team and that was taken care of a few weeks ago.

    Exposure for these minor sports just took a huge step up as ESPN plans to televise some of them on its channels and BYU tv is going to televise a bunch of them. You are clearly clueless.

  • TMung99 Bluffdale, Utah
    Feb. 19, 2011 9:18 a.m.


    BYUtv televises to not only major areas in the US, it also televises INTERNATIONALLY. Imagine an LDS soccer player from Mexico (which yes Mexico does get BYUtv, look it up) watching BYU women's soccer team, and ends up going there because of it. This is a smart move for exposure, recruitment, and you telling yourself any different is just you being insecure at the moment with every other Yewt fan. This exposure does not go with ESPN alone.

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Feb. 19, 2011 8:33 a.m.


    Have you been to Ann Arbor? There is nothing to do in Ann Arbor except drink.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 8:24 a.m.

    re: Dutchman

    BYU will have the rights to broadcast their other sports how, where, when or what they may. Or something like that. Isn't that what we believe in? BYUtv will be great for all of BYU's sports.

    The mtn needs a reformation. Or maybe it should just end. Poor Boise State will regret their decision.

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 19, 2011 12:33 a.m.


    Your concern is touching, but, quite frankly, we couldn't care less whether any of this make sense to you or meets with your approval.

    I'm sure you'll be very happy watching occassional Utah games on FOX Regional late Saturday night.

  • joecoog North Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 18, 2011 11:15 p.m.

    If your family made more money than you spent last year would you still not take a job making twice as much (Im not saying byu will be making twice as much, just a number for the example) at another company even if that meant you had to move out of state. The extra money can possibly then be used to get better equipment or to pay coaches more in order to get the best coaches making the programs even better. Maybe that will clear up the money issue. Now for exposure. Espn doesnt cover minor sports but byutv does and it is on almost all of the basic packages. Right now I pay an extra $12 a month to get the mnt but I wont have to anymore to get byutv. So to recap, more money means better programs and more people can see all of byu sports (exposure)

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 18, 2011 11:11 p.m.


    two words on wrestling:

    Title IX.

  • kat Ogden, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 11:09 p.m.

    Dutchman, let me try. The minor sports are NOT getting any TV exposure now, so their move to where ever makes no difference in how much they are seen. The exposure that football and basketball will be getting under the new system isn't soley dependent on ESPN - there is a huge up-side with BYUtv. Living in Idaho, I anticipate being able to see my cougars play foot and basketball every week, not occasionaly as per the mountain!

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 10:25 p.m.

    You guys are the ones always tooting the horn about more exposure so where is the exposure? You can't answer the question, I understand that now. Thanks. And I got my economics training at BYU. The article clearly pointed out that BYU was doing fine money wise so it was only about exposure but only for football. Your minor sports got thrown under the bus but none of you will admit it.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 10:07 p.m.

    If this is true, bring back wrestling!!!

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 18, 2011 9:27 p.m.


    "Where does ESPN televise the minor sports? They will televise some football and basketball games. That is the problem."

    Your question and answer to yourself prove that you don't get it.

    We understand that.

    So, stop belaboring the point and just accept that this is MUCH better for BYU than the current MWC deal.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 8:21 p.m.

    Dutchman | 5:31 p.m. Feb. 18, 2011
    Murray, UT
    I'm still not getting it.


    Take some classes at the U, and then you will understand basic econ....

  • Utiesrsocute Murray, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 7:54 p.m.


    Do they have newspapers in michigan?

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Feb. 18, 2011 7:53 p.m.


    What we don't get is why you care so much? Here you are seriously obsessing about things over which you have no say or interest. WHY?

    And, just as valid, why do you think anyone who does have a say or interest in BYU sports cares what negative dribble you feel compeeled to post?

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 7:42 p.m.

    "but gaining added exposure through ESPN and BYUtv for all BYU sports, so what's your problem?"

    Where does ESPN televise the minor sports? They will televise some football and basketball games. That is the problem.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 6:50 p.m.

    Glad my Cougs were making some dough back in 2009. Wonder where the profits go? Better facilities. Better parking. Higher wages to coaches. Rainy day fund. I have to believe all the sellouts at the MC will help the bottom line this year. I haven't seen as many big ticket discounting promotions like a few years ago. Gone are the days of buying a $5 ticket and sitting in the lower bowl. That's why I have season tickets in the lower bowl. Best way to see the show. I hope the cougs male more dough in the years to come so that the student athletes in every sport can be given the most support possible in their personal quest for perfection.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Feb. 18, 2011 6:46 p.m.

    "Funny, ND is a private University yet they feel know reason to hide the finacials from the rest of the world. It leads one to beleive that true numbers pale in comparison.

    As long as BYU can continue to "sell" it's followers without providing and real numbers - all the better."


    Have you considered that since the 2011 football season hasn't happened yet, nobody knows the exact amount of revenue for the 2011 football season?

    Can you tell me how much Wyoming's new bball coach will get paid? Or better yet, how much Kemba's NBA contract will be for? How much would Texas make if they went independent?

    We won't know until it happens. ND knows because they have been independent for a while and have noticed a trend. BYU is just starting out, and since they've never had a contract with ESPN, they have no history to look back on.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 6:18 p.m.

    Seriously Hedgehog, the more I read your posts, the more I believe you are a completely ignorant individual. Not only is your spelling just plain horrible, but your logic and complete obsession with anything BYU is just plain weird!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 18, 2011 6:10 p.m.


    Are your really so dense? Not all BYU fans agree, but the vast majority of BYU fans seem to at least understand the tradeoff BYU is making by leaving the MWC, but gaining added exposure through ESPN and BYUtv for all BYU sports, so what's your problem?

    Almost none of BYU's pre-conference season home basketball games this year were broadcast by the MTN. When Fresno State played at the Marriott Center in December, the brain-dead programmers at the MTN chose to air a sports statics show and a MWC roundtable discussion rather than broadcast a live basketball game.

    Just one of hundreds of examples of how moronic the MTN is run and why BYU chose Independence and the WCC rather than continue to put up with the myriad broken promises of the MTN and Craig Thompson.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Feb. 18, 2011 5:51 p.m.

    Big bad BYU choosing more exposure, more money, and more control of it's own destiny. All of the teams will still get to play and will have newer equipment to boot. More people will see BYU sports. Maybe the women's volleyball team will get national exposure on byutv. I don't see a downside to all of this.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 5:31 p.m.

    I'm still not getting it. I understand the exposure thing. It sounds like under the MWC money was not the issue. No red ink according to the article. The minor sports in the MWC were getting all the exposure they will ever get. Women's soccer, basketball, softball, etc etc etc were all on TV and nationwide if you have DirecTV. How is all that minor sport TV exposure going to be replicated now that BYU is leaving the MWC? Now the minor sports have no conference or the WCC. What championships are going to be played for. In football ESPN is picking up football games but to me it seems everything else is sacrificed for football exposure and more money and the money wasn't really needed.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 5:22 p.m.

    BYU is a class act and everyone knows it; even the haters. Good administration. Good student athletes. Some people just love to hate good things. I've never been able to figure out why. Maybe it's an inferiority complex that causes disgruntled, simple minds to lash out.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 5:14 p.m.

    Dutchman | 3:04 p.m. Feb. 18, 2011
    Murray, UT
    "I have a degree from BYU and I am fairly intelligent but I can't figure this one out."

    OK, open for debate, but have Uteology figure this one out for you, because real numbers are lost to you kids...

  • taraxopoios Lake Tapps, WA
    Feb. 18, 2011 5:05 p.m.

    Moody makes it sound as if creating a balanced budget every year is just a college sports problem when in fact it is something every business and government agency faces every year. The difference is the athletic department has figured out how to "live within their means". Perhaps the government should sit through one of their planning cycles and see how it is done.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    Seriously hedgehog, don't you "know" the difference between "know" and "no".

    Your posts might be taken a little more seriously if... then, again, maybe not.

    It does make one wonder why someone with the resources to be a Notre Dame season ticketholder and a supposed Utah fan would be so obsessed with, and jealous of, a rival that you consider to be soooo mediocre.

    You seem to be trying to convince yourself more than anybody else of your own distorted vision of reality.

  • Wally Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    What in the world is your problem? Surely there must be better things to do in Ann Arbor.

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 18, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    Re: Dutchman

    It is about exposure for the football program and BYU athletics as a whole through the use of ESPN BYUtv, something that is not possible under the current regime. And, do you really think moving basketball to the WCC lessen's BYU's exposure when you compare it to the current level of exposure with the mtn? I assure you that more people nationwide have had access to see more Gonzaga, St. Mary's and even Utah State bball games this year than top-10 ranked BYU. Hence the move to independence/WCC is a no-brainer.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    Let me get this straight. The BYU athletic dept was not in dire straights and accruing no red ink and all the minor sports were doing fine and winning championships. Did I get that right? Duckhunter will challenge this. So, BYU in an attempt to make even more money goes independent in football, cuts a nice deal with ESPN but turns around and throws all the minor sports that were thriving into the wind or to the WCC, a conference that cannot absorb them all and is currently ranked 14th in the basketball conferences RPI. I have a degree from BYU and I am fairly intelligent but I can't figure this one out. Oh, I remember, it was about exposure, except the WCC deal with ESPN expires this summer and according to Jon Wilner's sources ESPN doesn't consider west coast basketball, specifically the PAC 10 of having any basketball value. That would also by association have to include the WCC.

  • juni4ling Somewhere in Colorado, CO
    Feb. 18, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    Football subsidizes all the other welfare sports.


    It is that way at every other college in America.

    College sports, especially female sports, do not produce any sort of profit. They all operate negatively.

    BYU can balance the budget, but most colleges cannot.

    Taxpayers end up funging most, if not all, of the scholarships for mediocre girls to play golf on a full-ride, to "match" the scholarships and money given to football...

    It is laws like Title 9 that are making America an expensive place to be a taxpayer.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 18, 2011 2:26 p.m.

    " KSL estimated the contract to be less than Notre Dame's $15 million NBC contract, but much more than BYU's current $1.5 million deal with the Mountain West Conference"

    Without any real numbers byu and it's trolls (like Bluto) can promote just about any number they want.

    Funny, ND is a private University yet they feel know reason to hide the finacials from the rest of the world. It leads one to beleive that true numbers pale in comparison.

    As long as BYU can continue to "sell" it's followers without providing and real numbers - all the better.