Red roundup: Future Pac-12 TV deal full of interesting scenarios, Andre Miller trade rumors

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  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 19, 2011 7:07 p.m.

    "BYU wants to hold true to its mission and advance exposure to the LDS church"


    I agree except that BYU also as a deep, deep need to be accepted by the outside world. Being dumped by the PAC was a near fatal blow to it's self worth. Being "played" by the Big 12 might be soul crushing.

    BYU is forced to do what it does best. Knock on doors until someone allows them to play.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    First, I am a BYU fan, and as rivalry with UTAH goes, a friendly fan. Sometimes I wish the Utes well in their athletic endeavors and sometimes I choke out well wishes. That said, there is no need to disparage one school or the other over something like a TV contract.

    As I read the article, and as the headline suggests, there are scenarios aplenty and nothing is for sure yet with the PAC-12. It seemed to suggest that Fox is their best avenue for a TV deal but there a plenty of things that go into any deal.

    I hope Utah is the beneficiary of significant windfall and the start is with the PAC-12 Championship game which is already finalized with FOX.

    I'm happy with BYU's partnership with ESPN but there is room for discussing that on a story about BYU so I'll just say Good Luck UTAH in the PAC-12. Time will tell of course but I think "U" will be just fine.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Feb. 18, 2011 1:50 p.m.


    As usual, I agree with you 100%.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    I think it is great that both schools get what they want. Utah wants to be in a bigger conference with a BCS tie-in and get access to higher dollars than it has now (eventually) in both sports and research money, BYU wants to hold true to its mission and advance exposure to the LDS church. And both are say goodbye to the Mtn.

    The only thing I dont like is that BYU and Utah end up in different conferences. However, it does make it easier for rational Utah fans and rational BYU fans to root for each other when they aren't playing the other team. It is especially nice for LDS fans who want to follow LDS kids - regardless if they are wearing Red or Blue.

    For me, the rivalry and all the rhetoric that goes along with it, is completely tired.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Feb. 18, 2011 12:30 p.m.


    "if you truly are secure in BYU's future, you wouldn't spend your time on articles about the University of Utah trying to convince all of their "fans" that they are doomed.

    Look, BYU has a great program and a great future. Enjoy it! Stop trying to bring other people down to your miserable level."

    Well stated. Could you please change BYU to Utah and pass that message back on to Howard, Hedgehog, Mormon Ute...?

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 11:26 a.m.

    Actually mormon ute you are 100% wrong. Sorry to "burst you little bubble" LOL but BYU's contract with ESPN is not just for football, it is for basketball as well, and actually is for all of BYU's sports, and basketball also has a guaranty from ESPN that a certain number of their games will be boradcast on ESPN every year.

    You really ought to put that utah education to a little bit better use before the next time you seek to "burst a bubble". LOL

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 18, 2011 7:21 a.m.


    I'm a ND football ticket season holder.... does that answer your question?

  • Sammyg2 Grantsville, Utah
    Feb. 18, 2011 12:39 a.m.

    an espn deal where they play on espn u around 9 ish moutain time

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:50 p.m.

    Mormon Ute

    Actually, WCC does have a deal with ESPN. It'll be nice to be able to watch both football and basketball games next year.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:32 p.m.


    I hate to burst your bubble (not really, it's actually a lot of fun), but I'm surprised you are so ignorant of this. BYU's ESPN deal is for football, not basketball. They will be playing basketball in the WCC and will be subject to whatever contract the WCC has for it's basketball teams. So unless the WCC deal is with ESPN, BYU's basketball games won't be on ESPN.

    Also, if you read the article carefully the PAC-12 isn't worth the money for ESPN, because of the time slots the games would fit into. Either ESPN already has them full or they won't bring in the advertising dollars to cover the cost. It has little to do with the quality of the product.

    You are right about one thing, Time Warner could kill the PAC-12 channel. That's why the writer says it would be better to stay with Fox. He also did say FOX would likely be offering max money to the conference so you need to go back and read that again.

  • dallas realist rockwall, texas
    Feb. 17, 2011 9:21 p.m.

    why are you not an irish fan? just wondering

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Feb. 17, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    Let's face it. BOTH teams are better off now that we've both escaped the mtn.! Good job by both ADs.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 6:49 p.m.


    Do you really think your beloved BYU would be proud of the vitriol that you spill? Come on, don't be like Max Hall. You can support your team without being so hateful. I for one would enjoy reading your commentary but every time I do I can feel the hate you have for the U. You live in the State of Utah. I would think that you would have some affinity for the flag ship school of your home State. Or do you just hate everything in the State except BYU?

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 17, 2011 5:14 p.m.

    It's GREAT to be a Ute!!!

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 5:08 p.m.

    Uh big ben...BYU's exclusive contract with ESPn would appear to confirm that. Tell me again who utah has an exclusive contract with? Tell me again how utah is adding any value to the pac10's current tv negotiations? Considering no one considers the pac10's basketball programs to be of any real tv value I can't see how adding an extremely poor utah program is doing anything other than dragging it down.

  • Big_Ben Centerville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 5:00 p.m.


    if you truly are secure in BYU's future, you wouldn't spend your time on articles about the University of Utah trying to convince all of their "fans" that they are doomed.

    Look, BYU has a great program and a great future. Enjoy it! Stop trying to bring other people down to your miserable level.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    The article also states that Time Warner is by far the largest pay tv outlet in southern california and seems unlikely to carry the pac10 network if it even gets off of the ground. Not having that network in the pacs single biggest market, I actually think that market is bigger than all its other markets combined is it not? will not bode well for success or revenue. The guy that wrote the article seemed pretty bleak on the prospects for some of that stuff and that was my point.

    I may have blue tinted glasses but it seems the crimson ones are a complete blinder to reality.

  • Big_Ben Centerville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    Hey Cali Coug,

    here is a tissue, it still hurts doesn't it?


    did you really just call BYU one of ESPN's "most valuable properties"? Really? come on man, you are better than that.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    Also the article most certainly did not say the pac10 was going to get everything it wants from fox. To the contrary it said they would be taking less than what they want and gave the reason being that neither ESPN, or anyone else, considers pac10 basketball to be a valuable entity. Pac10 football on the otherhand is a valuable entity so the fox contract appears to be based on football being the only real value. Obviously that means less money than if both sports had value.

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Feb. 17, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    Here is an FYI for all of my Yewet fans...

    John Valentonic of the Bleacher Report ranked the 25 worst BCS teams for 2011No. 24. Cal, No. 23 Univ of Washington, No. 19 Univ of Arizona, No. 16 Oregon State, No. 12 Colorado, No. 9 UCLA, No. 5 Washington State. In other words, 7 of the worst BCS football teams are in the PAC-12, all are scheduled to play the u. Can you say the Conference of Cupcakes!

    The u better be playing for the Conference Championship this year...anything less is unacceptable.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 4:35 p.m.


    Who cares if ESPN values the wcc as a basketball entity. They value BYU as a basketball entity. BYU's deal calls for multiple home games to be broadcast on ESPN and the ones that aren't they can broadcast themselves. BYU's wcc road games are the only ones subject to the wcc tv deal.

    But you simply claiming the following "look for the wcc to hook up with fox when their contract expires this summer" is just you making stuff up so doubting my credibility when I posted actual quotes from an actual article while you simply made some stuff up is laughable.

    Also considering BYU's exclusive contract with ESPN I have little doubt that espn will be motivated to re-up with the wcc seeing as though they will hardly want to just forgo half the games of one of their most valuable properties.

    The truth is ute "fans" like yourself want to try and minimize the value of BYU as an independent entity and an exclusive contract holder with the largest channel in sports while inflating utah's value as a gravy trainer on the pac10. It is a constant effort on here.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 3:56 p.m.


    Man, you always see things with your blue BYU glasses on don't you. The article states that the PAC 12 will more than likely get what they want in terms of exposure and money. In fact, enough money that they won't have to meet the agreement to pay UCLA and USC extra TV revenue. FOX regular channels may go head to head with ABC for Saturday night football games. FOX regular channels reach 110 million homes vs ESPN's 90 million homes.

    "ESPN doesnt view Pac-12 basketball as a valuable entity Im not sure if anyone does, frankly"

    The same can be said for the WCC. It is located in the west has has a significantly worse conference RPI than the PAC 10. Look for the WCC to hook up with FOX when their contract expires this summer. And please, bring some objectivity to your analysis. It is so over the top BYU that you are losing creditbility. I for one would enjoy reading your comments if they were more objective.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 3:03 p.m.

    Realistically, both BYU and Utah are smart to leave the MWC.

    It really was a no-brainer, and I'm happy both had viable options.

    I know there will always be arguements over who made the better move, but I think both schools paths fit the goals of each University.

    I couldn't be happier.

    Come April, I'm letting DirecTV know I have no problem with them dumping the mtn.

  • Shawnm750 Lehi, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    Too bad the Jazz can't get Andre Miller. I loved watching him play as a Ute, and I'd love to see him back in Utah.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 2:09 p.m.


    Did you read the same article the rest of us did? Some quotes from it.

    "According to my sources, there is no indication that ESPN will be willing to pay what the Pac-12 wants or provide the exposure opportunities the Pac-12 is seeking. ESPN has no place to put them, one analyst said."

    "1. ESPN doesnt view Pac-12 basketball as a valuable entity Im not sure if anyone does, frankly"

    So the pac10 is not considered a "valuable entity" and a major nationwide network like ESPN has "no place to put them".

    I'm struggling to see how that is going to be such a great thing.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    After reading that Mercury news article I feel like I'm in heaven. The Mountain network was (is) soooo bad, I've been wining about their coverage for years. FSN isn't ESPN but it's miles ahead of what we've been stuck with on the mountain.

    The best case scenario would be Local Fox stations broadcast their local teams and FSN carries all of the non local games.

    I also think the Pac 12 will force Fox/FSN to upgrade their camera technology.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    Portland making a trade while Kevin O'Conner does nothing. Who would have thought?