Sandstrom, Herrod not interested in comprehensive immigration bill

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  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 8, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    So many ungrounded assertions regarding people's motives here by so many. If we just stick with the facts we would have a much better chance of reaching optimum solutions.

    For one, as much as I support compreshensive reforms, they need to be done in Congress at the national level. I must aggree with the assertion some are making here, that a Utah only guest worker program will be a magnet for illegal aliens from other states. They are still illegal, because federal law defines them that way.

    On the enforcement side the reality is $dollars$. I challenge anyone to disprove my assertion. The reason we are running state enforcement bills as unfunded mandates to city and county governments is we can't afford, (especially now), the true cost of training and additional resources under 287-G to do the job right!

    It is much easier to pass a tough sounding state bill with no funding in an austere budget environment then it is to actually do the real work of enforcement. Priorities still need to be for violent and other serious crimes no matter who commits them.

    Show me the money, or you are just whistling Dixie.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 6, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    Is there any valid data that clearly shows deportation won't work? I have seen some info from CIS that self-deportation actually takes place with stepped-up enforcement.
    Have we bought the political hype that "you can't deport 12 million people."? Have we trusted GWB when he simply said, "That ain't gonna happen."?

  • orcaone Lehi, UT
    Feb. 5, 2011 9:37 p.m.

    Just last year,our governor assured business there
    would be no penalty involved in violating a recently
    passed law regarding E-Verify. I fully support Herrod and Sandstrom without compromise. In addition all violators and illegals need to be penalized and/or prosecuted.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 5, 2011 9:13 p.m.

    Our laws are not broken, they are being ignored by many, and that has to stop.

    We have a group of people in this country that could care less what kind of place we leave our children. They only care about flooding our country with cheap labor. It's time people, to stand up for your country, your children's future and your jobs.

    We must have enforcement, state, Federal, local, it does not matter.

    The illegal immigration-amnesty-illegal immigration-amnesty-chain has to be broken. It is a well planed destruction of our borders and eventually control of our country.

    We have government officials that worked for Mexico to influence immigration laws favorable to their people. Why would another country pay people so their people could leave?

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 4, 2011 4:39 p.m.

    Sandstrom and Herrod for pres.

  • nick Provo, UT
    Feb. 4, 2011 2:40 p.m.

    I have a friend who is a CEO of a major company in Arizona. A few years ago, Arizona passed a bill like Herrod's. My friend has some reservations about the enforcement bill that Arizona passed last year, but he thinks that the Arizona bill requiring employers to verify new employees as legal has been the most effective of all legislation in discouraging illegal immigration. In addition, the 9th circuit court of appeals (the most liberal in the country) has ruled that e-verify legislation is constitutional.
    Excluding concerns about costs and problems for businesses, is there anyone out there who really believes that there is some kind of unethical or immoral behavior in making sure that businesses in the future hire people who are in the US legally?

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 4, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    I think the permit idea is great. A fair fee should be charge to offset potential litigation and other expenses. Somewhere around an initial fee of $5,000 and annual renewals of $1,500 is a good start.

  • C. Darwin Sandy, UT
    Feb. 4, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    The legislature is playing games. They know what the majority of Utahns want and now they work for their own interests. If we do not stop the illegal invasion now, it will be too late to do anything. Come on legislators, do your job. BTW, your job is promoting the will of the majority in case you have forgotten.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Feb. 4, 2011 1:55 p.m.


    Our immigration system is NOT BROKEN! It works just fine when politicians and law enforcement do their jobs. The way to "address immigrants in our state" is to stop letting them work here illegally and deport them. You don't hear other countries with illegal aliens talking about amnesty, guest worker programs, or anything of the sort. They also don't spout Democrat talking points about "we can't round them up" , they simply DO round them up and make their lives miserable until they leave. We can do the same. If you want them here why don't you and other bleeding hearts start writing checks to cover the cost of having them here?

  • JHP Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 4, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    We need some sensible legislation to address the immigrants in our state -- legislation that is based on human reality and the fact that our system is broken.

    It appears that Sandstrom and Herrod are going to lose half the loaf in pursuit of the whole loaf.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 4, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    So, the Arizona bill was attacked by the White House and liberals because it was the state enacting immigration.

    Using that reasoning, granting a worker privelage card is also illegal.

    Lets not forget that the US Constitution states that immigration rules are to be determined by Congress. The important thing is that it doesn't say that only the Federal Government can enforce the rules.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 4, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    NOW is the best time to contact your state legislator/senator to let them know you support BOTH the Sandstrom and Herrod bills.

    The next few days are when the pro-amnesty folks (in various forms)will be lobbying VERY HARD to entice the Utah legislature to JUST DO NOTHING and hope that the feds will solve THEIR problem.

    We already know that WON'T HAPPEN!

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Feb. 4, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    Work permits = Amnesty and permission for one group of criminals who ignore the law to continue doing so until we change our laws to their liking , in the meantime, enabling them to keep on looting the state and national treasuries.

    Utah CON PACT = A group of self interested business, church, and civic leaders and organizations who profit from exploiting illegal aliens and don't want the party to be over yet. Spend most of their time trying to re-define "compassion" to the benefit of criminals and the detriment of American citizens they harm.

    Reality (currently defined by amnesty hacks as the inability to remove illegal aliens so we must therefore allow them in legally) = Baloney pedaled by open borders advocates who don't know history. Three U.S. Presidents have ordered illegals out of the country under the threat of severe penalties. Most of them left. We can and must chase them out of here one way or the other while we still have a country. That is "reality".

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 4, 2011 7:04 a.m.

    The only real solution to the problem is enforcement. A guest worker amnesty would just put off the problem and cause more illegal immigration.

    It's to bad our country has lost it's moral compass and started to worship greed. Honest people don't break immigration laws, and honest people don't hire those here illegally.

    It's not cruel to enforce our laws. Countries all over the world do it.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 4, 2011 6:47 a.m.

    If we really want to accomplish anything to combat the influx of illegal aliens and the impacts they are causing, we need to zero in on each facet of the solution and fine-tune the legislation to its desired intent.

    To try to mix causes and intents in one bill will only bring about a situation with no majority consensus and nothing will be accomplished.

    We will end up again waiting and hoping for the feds to do what they should have been doing all along.

    Both the Sandstrom and the Herrod bills should stand on their own merits one at a time.

  • Bryan Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 4, 2011 12:57 a.m.

    It is VERY possible to get rid of all the illegals in this state. If both the Herrod bill and the Sandstrom bill are passed, the illegal aliens who are contacted by law enforcement officers will be sent home. Those that aren't, won't be able to work, and will go home on their own. Problem solved.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 3, 2011 11:31 p.m.

    It's time to get rid of the drivers privilege cards. It gives people a false sense of legitimacy. It's not needed for a person to buy insurance, and we are one of the three states with it still on the books. The other two are currently discussing having it removed this year. End in state tuition, it's against Federal law.

    And why not make it a state felony to work here illegally, with a big fine, remove the reward for working her illegally.

    We have just as many people here illegally working, as we do unemployed. That's just wrong.

    I can't help but wonder how much Senator Robles past job with Mexico has influenced her bill.

  • Gordonwho Milville, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 8:50 p.m.

    If Robles bill is passed, there will be a torrent of illegals coming to Utah to get a card. Do we really want that? Most other states that surround us have introduced bills on immigration. again the illegals in those states will flock to Utah as it seems that we are welcoming them with bills like Robles. We need to send a message that they are not welcome here either. We need to support stricter immigration bills and send them back to their respective country's.

  • Gordonwho Milville, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 8:07 p.m.

    I for one am in complete support for these two bills. No amnesty of any kind should be offered. They broke the law coming here, so pay the consequences just like every one else has to for breaking the law.

  • Abe Sarvis Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 7:50 p.m.

    Of course they're not interested in compromising - they're interested in grandstanding!

    These guys - all of them - should Google "Cato Institution Immigration Reform Bulletin" and read the current issue to understand the real problem, and how to deal with it.