Red roundup: Ute recruit lured by Norm Chow

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  • J1234 Spanish Fork, Utah
    Feb. 7, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    Just wait until his passes start coming, or not coming, from Wynn. So far, Wynn's favorite target is the sidelines.

    Enjoy the bottom of the PAC!

  • hedgelog Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 5, 2011 12:18 a.m.

    I hope norm does a good job for the u. I know that many of us were delighted to see him leave the Y, but he has had brief success at some of his stops. With great players he does well, not so much with average joes.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 4, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    @ big ben

    Dante's lowest level.

  • Big_Ben Centerville, UT
    Feb. 4, 2011 1:11 p.m.


    Look at Heaps QB rating. Look at Wynn's. Keep in mind that Jordan Wynn did not play against UNM or UNLV (two games that Heaps did play in, which propped up his rating). pretty amazing isn't it? Since I personally know Jordan Wynn, and I know the game of football, no, I would not trade Wynn for Heaps.

    Please present an example of Jake Heaps playing well against a good team, and no the last drive when Utah was in prevent defense does not count.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 4, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    While reading this string I had to pause for a minute and ask myself a few questions:

    "What is the mission of BYU?"
    "What is the purpose of a Church sponsored school's sports program?"
    "Why did the Church decide to have BYU's football program go independent?"

    Pretty confident the answer to each of those questions have missionary work and being an example for good to the world are mixed in there somewhere. Also fairly confident "trashing Utah fans" and "to bring up examples of why other people aren't as good as us" is not in the answer. Just a thought.

  • MAFU Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 4, 2011 12:20 p.m.

    @ Bluto

    Did you really play the High School letter card on me? LOL, brother. Typical zoob response. My friends and I had a similar exchange in the Marriot Center a few years ago when our HS athletic prowess was called into question during a verbal exchange with someone of your ilk. I won't use the Deseret News comments board as a platform to regale you with my sports resume. It's embarassing and sad that you even went there.

    Give the Domanitor some fist bumps from me for the job he did holding a clipboard for 3 seasons with the 9'ers.

    Maybe the Dominator drinks postum instead of coffee?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 10:46 p.m.

    I'm not sure sure that Chow is a certain good luck charm. His last years with the Y were terrible. His time with the Titans and UCLA were mediocre. Only his time with USC was a success. I think it remains to be seen if Chow has the magic to help the U. No gurantees.

  • Pedro Sanchez Magna, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 10:08 p.m.

    Hey there byu trolls.. This one's for U!

    We're moving on UP! to the PAC12! We finally got a piece of the piiieeee!!! YA! We're moving on UP! to the PAC12! To the Conference of CHAMPPPIOooNNs...!

    I am a Utah Man Sir!!!

  • B Logan, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 8:51 p.m.

    Seeing Norm Chow in a Ute sweater feels like seeing your old house after the new owners have moved in. It's weird and unnatural. Sorry, but it is.

  • Midway Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 8:39 p.m.

    These comments are hilarious! Some of you have way too much time on your hands.

    Go Utes!!!!

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 8:33 p.m.

    butters from South Park

    I agree on the sweater, or hoodie, whatever you want to call it. Maybe the Red Zone store in Sandy has it. Although I think the campus store has a much better and bigger selection of stuff.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 8:30 p.m.

    Good old sammyg and duckhunter, we can always count on them trolling the Utah articles spewing negativity and hatred, poor lost souls. I for one am very much looking forward to this coming football season. Should be awesome, see you guys at the Red White game in April.
    Go Utes baby!

  • butters Salt Lake city, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 7:54 p.m.

    i like norm chow's sweater. i think i'll get one.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 7:46 p.m.

    Glad the Utes can still get a recruit even if it might be just temporarily.

    After a mediocre season this fall it might be difficult to get any quality recruits unless they are fleeing LA like this kid. Maybe if you make the LA Bowl you might attract some local kids.

    Still need a QB though don't ya? Duckhunter is spot on. quack quack, crickets etc.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 6:32 p.m.

    So Eddie,

    You don't like my comparisons do you. Too bad, I make good money doing them. I believe it was you who implicated Chow looked too old to do the job. I believe you said he looked too tired as well. Do you feel that way about all older people or do you just like to rip on Chow? Yea, and Patton slapped a kid early in the war and then apologized. He went on to assist General Eisenhower in winning the war. I hope you have or will do something so esteemed for your country. The point is a lot of older people have a lot to offer and just because they may have had a set back or two does not mean they can't achieve greatness. You made light of my comparison but it is perfect. Patton had a set back and went on to victory. Chow has had a set back but there is every indication so far that he can move on to great things even if he looks old and tired to you.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 6:15 p.m.

    Making Sense,

    You are one of the "holier than thou's" aren't you. You come out making one of your judgmental comments about Utah fans with no evidence to back it up and then can't take it when dished right back. Well here it is dished right back at ya "It never ceases to amaze me how some BYU fans (not all) love to HATE anything Utah UNTIL they dawn the blue. It really is revealing of the downright JUDGEMENTAL attitude some BYU fans constantly display. You didn't have an answer regarding LaDell Anderson did you. You guys dispised him until he became your coach. Go back and read the articles at the time of how shocked BYU fans were that he was hired as the head man.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 3, 2011 5:48 p.m.


    Tell us more about how you built the Utah athletic facilities brick by brick with your own hands....

    Please grace us with another story about your life long friendship with Coach Whitt.....

    Ducky, have you ever meet Buster? Oh, the tales you'd tell.


  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 3, 2011 5:46 p.m.


    You know the Utes would trade Wynn for Heaps in a heartbeat if they had the chance.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 3, 2011 5:38 p.m.

    Here's the big question. Why are u fans jawing about BYU instead of USC, Oregon and the FIVE other pac schools with better recruiting classes than yours?

    Will you be happy with a 7th place conference finish as long as you beat the Y? You really are still the little brother!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 5:37 p.m.


    1- Doman does not drink coffee.

    2-Drawing a paycheck from an NFL team at any time, let alone for three years, is a dream 99.99% of every living human being, will never be able to say they have achieved.

    3-For You, who never earned a High School letter,
    yur biting comment is irrelevant.


  • coachcarter Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 5:35 p.m.


    In case you forgot, BJ was an amazing QB at the U, after all, he was the winningest QB in the history of the U.

    Just because someone has an NFL ''career'', doesn't mean that will translate into a great coach. Doman's NFL stint was nothing to write home about. Brett Ratliff has managed to hang around in the NFL for just as long as Doman.

    Wynn played the last 5 games of the year with a banged up shoulder, so to blame BJ for that doesn't make any sense.

    Finally, I don't troll on BYU articles, there is no reason for me too, so to ramble on about your comments about Cahoon also doesn't make sense.

    So I say to you, thanks for going off half-cocked and uninformed.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    and Duckhunter knows all that because he dug out the sod for the track at the U and went to school with Kyle and the Kaufusis and eats burritos at Taco Bell and coaches little league and keeps stats while the other guys play in the game.


  • MAFU Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    Does Doman's cup of coffee with the 49'ers really count as "pro experience"? Gimmee a break.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 3, 2011 5:07 p.m.

    Without the title, Cahoon has been working (coaching) with the receivers during the off season. That's how Bronco knew about him.

  • Making Sense Herriman, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 5:00 p.m.


    Too bad that you have to do tit-for-tat rather than accept that some ute fans are just as judgemental as you paint the BYU fans. Thanks for pointing it out in BYU fans like the utes always do. You've done that for years and termed BYU fans as "better than thou" and judgemental. Just look in the mirror and realize that many that wear red do the exact same thing. And by the way, show me where people expressed "hate" for Roderick, Sitake, Kafusi. Admit it that for years Chow was DESPISED as anything on the hill but suddenly is a great pick up by the u. Can you do that? I can totally admit that Sitake, Roderick, Kafusi, and Whittingham have been great for the u and wish we had their talent. Just love how the standard for expectations is so low at the u that ANY behavior can be justified but if others hold to higher expectations they are termed hypocrites.

    By the way, show me ANYWHERE that BYU fans disliked LaVell Edwards when he was at Utah State. Nice Try!

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 4:37 p.m.


    So now Chow is Patton? You really crack me up. So we now compare age to how good someone is!

    Keep thinking up these wonderful examples, they are very thought provoking.

    I guess we should all wait and see how many players Chow (Patton) slaps for being cowards for not wanting to get back into the game(s) in the pac 12!

  • Drum Beater Farmington, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 4:34 p.m.

    I'm really disgusted with the childish BYU this and Utah that crap! Get some perspective everyone! You know you go to the "University" to get a better handle on the "Universal" view of things, to better understand the "broad" perspective of life.

    This passion for school versus school is crazy. For Pete sake, Norm Chow did his job as a coach, Bronco righted the ship, Jake Heaps exceeded expectations for a Freshman, Jordan Wynn was fantastic until hurt. There, now that didn't even hurt, and no one bleeds redder than me!


  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 4:31 p.m.


    Let's analyze your little rant.

    I've never made a comment about Doman being promoted but of course Doman does have a proven record of success at what he has done and has probably earned the opportunity. He was a siccessful college qb. He played in the nfl. He has been an assitand coach for several years and the 2 qb's he has coached are now both in the nfl. We will have to wait and see if he is successful but everything he has done to this point has been successful.

    If you will go to the article about Cahoons hiring you will see my comment was that we have no idea of he will be a good coach and will have to wait and see.

    Brian johnson on the otherhand was a 21 year old kid with no coaching experience and no pro experience and no credentials whatsoever. Under his tutelage last year utahs qb's actually got worse. He now has a track record of failure.

    In short I never said Doman or Cahoon would be good and until they do their jobs we won't know.

    Thanks for going off halfcocked and uninformed.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    re: Duckhunter

    Would you rather Utah; 1)Try to steal a 4* QB at the last minute, even though they already have a freshman QB for this year (Tyler Shreve), or 2)Take a QB committment from a 5'9 local kid who will never see the field as a QB at the D1 level like your Cougs?

    Jordan Wynn will be fine, if his surgery goes according to plan. He was a good QB, with moments of being very good, before he injured his shoulder and played through it all season.

    If he doesn't, Robles will get a shot. You know, the kid from Utah that your Cougars badly wanted.

    Meanwhile, they will work to develop their true freshman, Shreve, and look to hit big on a QB next year.

    Getting a QB was a luxury this year. That's why they shot for a big one, and didn't panic and take an average one, like Kuresa, just to have a QB in the class.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    Some BYU views:

    Edwards-hated him as a line backer at Utah State, loved him once he wore blue as a defensive coach and then head coach at BYU. Suddenly, he is acceptable.
    Chow-hated him for years as a player at Utah but suddenly he's the new savior of the BYU offense. Only color change from red to blue and back to red.
    Roderick-loved him as a receiver at BYU but hate him as a coach at Utah. Now love him again because Bronco tried to hire him away from Utah a few weeks ago.
    LaDell Anderson-Hated him as an assistant basketball coach at Utah under Jack Gardner and as a Head Coach at Utah State but loved him as the head basketball coach at BYU. Changed color from red to Utah State blue to BYU Blue. Oh, my!
    Riley Nelson-Hated him as a player at Utah State but loved him briefly as the starting QB at BYU. Must I go on? Please stop me.

  • coachcarter Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 3:44 p.m.


    You bag on the Utes for hiring BJ as the QB Coach, yet BYU hires an inexperienced Doman as the new OC and then inexperienced Cahoon as the WR Coach? Sounds pretty hypocritical to me.

    QB Coach is a much easier job than OC, so dont try and tell me Doman is the man, only time will tell.

    Also, Tyler Shreve will be in uniform this year and could make the QB situation at Utah much brighter than people think.

  • Making Sense Herriman, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 3:12 p.m.

    It never ceases to amaze me how some ute fans (not all) love to HATE anything BYU UNTIL they dawn the crimson. It really is revealing of the downright JUDGEMENTAL attitude some ute fans constantly display.

    some utes' view:
    Whittingham - hated him as the defensive player of the year at BYU. loved him once he wore red as a defensive coach and now head coach. Suddenly he's acceptable.
    Chow - hated him for years as BYU OC but all of a sudden he's the new savior of u offense. Only the color change from red, to blue, take your pick, and back to red.
    Roderick - hated him as a BYU receiver but was identified as the savior of the u offense two years ago. Only the color changed people.
    Sitake - hated him at BYU as a RB and viable threat out of the backfield. Love him as a graduate assistant and now defensive coordinator. Only the color changed people.

    Many BYU fans were disappointed that the utes landed a stellar coach in Kafusi but didn't spit venom at him because he wore red. We were glad to have him rejoin the Cougars as defensive line coach.

  • Just Truth Saratoga Springs, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    #7--No respect for the Utes recruiting class. Watch out Pac 10! Utes hate being looked down on.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 3:03 p.m.

    Tommy2Shoes | 2:52 p.m. Feb. 3, 2011
    Lehi, UT
    Chow paying dividends already for U.

    Were you not expecting him to do his job?

    He came in and recruited a player.

    Tommy, isn't that what coaches do?

    So, again, we have a story that Norm Chow did his job?

    Are we that insecure with the decision to hire chow that a story is written to tell us he is doing his job?

    How exciting.

    Chow is a good hire, and will do a good job.

    BTW, my daughter has a spelling test tomorrow. I wonder if the teacher will give the test? That, too, would make a great story, and you could post your excitement there, also...

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 3, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    A continuation of mediocrity. This ought to keep some ute fans alive with their fantasies. Sorry folks---the utes will never win a future conference or national championship. Just won't happen! Even if they went to the Big Sky conference--it would'nt happen.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    Chow paying dividends already for U. Loved him when he was with us at the Y. Now that all the hoopla is over can we finish out this rivalry and get on with our lives.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 2:50 p.m.


    I don't care about those ratings. I care about what I saw on the field and wynn was not good. He was actually worse than he was the previous year. That is called "regression". Remember wyn was a sophomore with a starting experience and a veteran team aorund him. Heaps was a freshman with mostly other freshman around him.

    Yes it is fun to make all of the ute "fans" on here upset by making statements like that but my honest opinion of wynn is that he is at best mediocre. Add that to the disastrous hiring of the ill equiped and inexperienced Johnson as the qb coach and wynn got worse as the year went along.

    My point, although irritting to ute "fans" is that you can have all the great wr's you want to have but without a decent qb throwing to them they are not going to get much done.

    utah tried very hard to recruit a couple of qb's this year and was shut out. That is a massive failure and one that is being glossed over by media and ute "fans". Intersting considering that seemed to be their 2nd biggest need.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 2:47 p.m.


    Yea, Norm looks about as tired and worn out as General Patton did at the same age heading up to relieve the 101st Airborne at Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge. Do you have any idea how that turned out?

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    Good get for Utah. This kid could be one of the best ever at Utah. TBD in about 3 years. Also, as he demonstrated last year. Wynn was good against average and bad defenses, and not so good against good defenses. He did not handle pressure well. If he was really hurt at the end of the year then he could be solid again this year. I would still rather have Heaps but if the new "skill" position players step up Utah could be decent(good by the middle of the season). I expect them to struggle at the first of the season like BYU did last year but gel and mature as the season goes on, getting better and having more wins. I think 7-8 wins would be considered a good year for the Utes in the PAC.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 1:39 p.m.

    Sounds like a strong possibility for a good career at Utah. Getting Chow is good for Utah. This player coming is potential proof of that. Unlike some folks on these boards from Utah and BYU I believe that Wynn is a decent quarterback. However, he would be much better if he learned to shave that fuzzy face. If nothing else that would improve his media image.

    Now let's put this dog to bed and get a few of the Ute fans here to text their fellow fans alerting them about AAA's free service this weekend (see article on DNews).

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 12:58 p.m.

    Look at the picture of Norm. Does it look tired or just old and worn out! One or two seasons with the yewties and he will retire...probably saying something like.."there's just no hope for this team".

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    @ Hedge, The picture will be clear when the u faces BYU later this year we will all MARK IT DOWN what you think and allow you to eat another meal of crow. We will see how you great qb does in the pac12. Get utes to seeing your team at or near the bottom of your conference. I just can't wait to comment when we are getting all the national attention and the mighty utes are going nowhere ...real fast.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 12:46 p.m.

    TheHailstorm | 10:49 a.m. Feb. 3, 2011
    South Weber, UT

    From the Los Angeles Wave;

    "While he had the required GPA and SAT scores to qualify, he still lacked some core classes.

    Otherwise, he noted, I most likely would have been at Tennessee with Lane Kiffin (now the USC coach)."

    That could have been the title too. It's all a spin. Hailstorm, why does anyone need crow? Chow did his job.

    Glad the kid chose Utah.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 3, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    Denham 6'6 220 4.5 speed


    tds DB 5'8 178 5.4 speed

    I think you get the picture.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 3, 2011 12:26 p.m.

    Heaps, Fr. (2011): 219/383 (57.2%) 2316 yds, 15 TDs, 9 INTs, 18 sacks.

    2011 Rating:
    Wynn: 139.85
    Heaps: 116.20

    Save the trouble, Duckhunter, of stating how Heaps would have had better numbers had Nelson not been in the mix early on. Remember, Wynn missed two games early on against New Mexico and UNLV, two of Heaps' best performances.

    So if Wynn is bad, what is Heaps?

    Look, I'm not saying the BYU QB is fact, I think Heaps is great, and going into his sophomore season he could be pretty good.

    I'm just saying there are a lot of Cougar faithful who neglect the fact that Wynn is actually a solid QB by ignoring the stats.

    And now he's got another great target to throw at.

    Go Utes!

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 3, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    J Wynn, So. (2011):
    189/299 (62.2%) 2,334 yds., 17 TDs 10 INTs, 10 games

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 11:46 a.m.

    @big ben

    Don't forget Dante's lowest level. Your current path ends there.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Feb. 3, 2011 11:30 a.m.


    The crow will be served in Sept. - there will be an extra helping just for you.

  • Big_Ben Centerville, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 11:29 a.m.


    Jordan Wynn 1
    Jake Heaps 0

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 11:15 a.m.

    It doesn't matter hailstorm if there is not a decent qb throwing to him. Right now you have wynn. He is not any good. Actually he is bad. The utes were unable to sign a qb this year. One decommitted and went to wahsington and another publicly humiliated them on national tv yesterday as he was announcing for asu.

    If you can't even get a qb to throw to guys then who really cares how many wr's you have.

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    Here's one for the naysayers and the Cougars who slammed the Utes appointment of Chow as OC.

    From the Los Angeles Wave;

    "Physically, East L.A. College wide receiver Anthony Denham resembles some of the past big receivers coached by Norm Chow.

    " The 6-foot-6, 215-pound wideout would love nothing better than to follow in the footsteps of Dwayne Jarrett and Mike Williams, big receivers who enjoyed tremendous success while Chow was offensive coordinator at USC.

    That was a key reason Denham signed a national football letter of intent with the University of Utah, where Chow was recently named offensive coordinator "
    Have another helping of crow ?

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    It just feels wrong to see Norm Chow with a U shirt on. Great hire for the Utes.