Man pleads not guilty in LDS Church Office Building BASE jump

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  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Feb. 2, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    Utah and LDS are not the same. As I pointed out before it does not matter if there is no harm here. The LDS Church as an organization that moves large amounts of money (mainly for building new churches and publishing materials for use in missionary and teaching work, but still large amounts of money none the less) and also as a self-insured institution has a clear need to make sure it gives zero tolerance to dangerous behavior, otherwise it can be found to be liable in later cases.

    Beyond this, the nature of tresspassing charges is that they emerge from the goals of private indivuals, not the government. The decision to press tresspassing charges is that of the Church not the city.

    Some owuld say the Church should not press tresspassing charges. However such a view ignores the nature of liability lawsuits and the amount of money that an organization could loose from such. The responsible use of Church resources means avoiding liability lawsuits, otherwise much needed church builings in places like Nigeria will be delayed to pay the family of some irresponsible BASE jumper who dies.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Feb. 2, 2011 11:46 a.m.

    Actually at this point pleading not guilty is almost universal. You plead not guilty at the first hearing, and then get a plea bargain later. Never admit your guilt until you have some sort of deal with the prosecution.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Feb. 2, 2011 11:44 a.m.

    The Church needs to make sure these reckless men are punished to the maximum extent. If it shows any leniancy it could be interpreted as toleration of BASE jumping, opening the Church up to law-suits later if someone else is injured while BASE jumping on Church property.

  • Belching Cow Sandy, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 7:26 a.m.

    Yes dave you may be correct. You are a good example of how many Utahns over react.

  • huggyface Murray, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 8:14 a.m.

    Innocent until proven guilty, right??

    I bet they are hoping that there's not indisputable evidence linking them to the jump. So they had large backpacks; is that enough to convict?

  • Patrick Henry West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 7:58 a.m.


    I recall recently reading some Ensign articles from the 70's written by a Hartman Rector Jr. I am guessing that this Hartman Rector is somehow related to him. Possibly his son.

  • John Robert Mallernee Gulfport, MS
    Feb. 1, 2011 2:24 a.m.


    As a member of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints, I think the criminal charges in this case should be dismissed.

    Thank you.

    John Robert Mallernee
    Armed Forces Retirement Home
    Gulfport, Mississippi 39507

  • skitter Orem, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 1:27 a.m.

    I think the issue here has nothing to do with property rights and everything to do with discouraging future jumpers. They have to show that they are willing to prosecute and fine anyone who pulls a stunt like this. If not they are saying they don't mind people base jumping in downtown Salt Lake. It would only be a matter of time before someone gets killed.

  • Kickit023 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 12:51 a.m.

    So using your logic, if I were to try and shoot someone and missed, I should not be charged with anything, no harm no foul right?
    @jack got it right. While many cities across the country do not have laws against BASE jumping, they are usually cited for trespassing, which is why more and more of them are going to Europe (there's an article about this from 2004 in a Washington newspaper.)

  • Jack Aurora, CO
    Jan. 31, 2011 8:07 p.m.

    I believe the issue here is property rights, and private property rights to be specific. BASE jumpers have likewise been charged with trespassing and other charges in other cities, and from other buildings and bridges. This isn't just the LDS Church doing it. Perhaps some basic research on your part would clarify the situation, and relieve the case of colic you seem to have against the LDS Church.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 31, 2011 6:06 p.m.

    Re: dave | 4:21 p.m. Jan. 31, 2011

    The LDS Church isn't who is charging him. It's the Salt Lake City Prosecutor dave who files the charges.

    Based on his comment I must assume he wouldn't object to a stranger walking through his house to jump off his balcony.

    The general rule is to behavior yourself when you're on private property.

  • dave Park City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 6:01 p.m.

    Ted H. | 4:42 p.m. Jan. 31, 2011
    Nice illogical stretch correlating my comments to political persuasion.

    Since you started down this road... A conservative approach would be to not involve government or regulations. A liberal approach is to whine to the government (police), run it through governmental channels (courts) thus costing the taxpayers money.

  • franc Kirkland, WA
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:41 p.m.

    I believe it's irresponsible of KSL and Deseret News to link his YouTube videos to this article. This is, I believe, the way that Miller "earns" his living and the more hits to his youtube videos the more sponsors he can get. That's not what news sites should be doing.

  • AlanSutton Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    Judging from the photos, he seems to enjoy the attention.

  • Goet Ogden, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:09 p.m.

    Almost all arraignments are entered as a not-guilty. This opens the door to further discussion, further hearings, and possible plea agreements.

    Only a fool admits guilt at an arraignment, so stop acting so surprised, people. NO sane person will do it, unless they've already had an agreement structured before their initial appearance.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:01 p.m.

    I don't think it was funny a bit although evidently
    although Marshall Miller seems to think it is. Haven't they got something productive they can do in their lives? These boys and I repeat "boys" because that is what they are acting like...grow up and take responsibility for the stupid decision you made by doing the jump. I hope they nail everyone of you.

  • Bill Freeze Lindon, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    Let's see...the Dudes have the guts to jump off the Church office building in broad daylight....but they don't have the courage to tell the truth about it?

    Bill Freeze

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 4:42 p.m.

    davey boy,

    If they had been hurt, they would have sued the Mormons(typical lame liberal non responsiblity-taking attitude). And you would have agreed with them.

    I just wish the fine were larger.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Jan. 31, 2011 4:24 p.m.

    So we catch the guy red-handed (tough to run wearing a parachute) and he says he's "not guilty"?

    A Democrat. He's definitely a Democrat....

    Absolutely detached from reality.

  • dave Park City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 4:21 p.m.

    I can't believe that they are charging him. No harm, no foul. Typical Utah (LDS) overreaction and control.

  • C92599 Orem, Utah
    Jan. 31, 2011 2:46 p.m.

    The charge, I believe, is trespassing.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 2:37 p.m.

    I want to know if he's pleading not guilty because he claims it isn't a violation OR is he claiming that it's a case of mistaken identity and he didn't do it. That's what I'd like to know.

    Is this Harman Rector the grandson of the general authority? Seems likely. Does anyone know?

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 2:11 p.m.

    So, what exactly is he 'not guilty' of? Hard to argue with photos.

  • attentive Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    Base jumping from tall buildings is totally irresponsible. If any of his (or his friend's) equipment had failed they might have plummeted to the ground and been killed - and had they hit anyone else, that poor innocent being might have been killed or terribly injured. I hope they are both found guilty.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 31, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    He'll spend more money in attorney's fees than the fine would ever have been. Then, if found guilty he'll pay the fine in addition.