House votes to make Utah first state to designate a state firearm

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  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Jan. 27, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    @ ST

    "YOU go do a little work and research. The data is there and you'll find the truth, which is the more guns the general population has the lower the crime rate and the safer the community."

    Wrong Repub.

    Repubs all over the place are making unbelievable claims. I only ask they back up their opinions with facts. If you cannot do that then your opinion is nothing more than hot air.

    It's funny, I've called you Repub nutcakes out. Yet none of you can provide any facts to your opinions. Figures.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Jan. 27, 2011 10:56 a.m.

    Ralph, Great comment, some people get confused about what makes a man.
    I own several guns and rifles but I don't wrap them in the constitution and place them in their shrine on the night stand and light a candle for them as I kneel beside my bed. Guess I'm not a real patriot.

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 27, 2011 10:37 a.m.

    Whats all the fuss? It simply comes down to "it takes a gun to make a man" No gun, no testosterone! end of argument!

  • ST Layton, UT
    Jan. 27, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    '"Many people have a negative experience with guns because guns do kill people"'

    "lot of people don't see guns as "virtuous objects," but as "tools of death."'

    Only naive liberial people believe these. They also think holding hands and singing Kum Ba Yah will stop any evil person or country from doing evil things.

    Cars kill more people in the USA than guns- but liberial don't see them as "negative" or "tools of death".

    Grow up and face reality. If it weren't for the 1911 semi-automatic hand gun we'd all be speaking German, living under Nazi rule during the 1,000 year 3rd Reich, there would be no Jews or Mormon or lots of other people too.

    To: "the real Maverick" - YOU go do a little work and research. The data is there and you'll find the truth, which is the more guns the general population has the lower the crime rate and the safer the community. Or maybe you'd just rather move to Washington DC - where guns are band and see how safe you feel knowing that no one there has a gun. Also find data on crossfire deaths. Next to none.

  • Steve Cottrell Centerville, UT
    Jan. 27, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    Don't our legislators have anything important to do?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 27, 2011 7:57 a.m.

    This is as ridiculous and time wasting as it comes. What's the point? How about a state bullet? Maybe a state switch blade? Instead of stupid pet tricks, the Legislature should actually do something productive.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 26, 2011 11:03 p.m.

    Whew! I was really worried about education and taxes, but alas, my worries have been put to rest with the new state firearm.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 26, 2011 6:40 p.m.

    Doppelganger | 6:25 p.m. Jan. 26, 2011:

    No, actually it was a Belgian-made 9x17mm (.380 ACP) Fabrique Nationale model 1910 semi-automatic pistol, and the Browning Model 1911 was designed to fire the .45ACP cartridge.

    It always helps to know your firearm before criticizing it.

  • Doppelganger Clearfeild, utah
    Jan. 26, 2011 6:25 p.m.

    Gavrilo Princip of the group the Black Hand used a Browning 1911 .22 cal pistol in Assassination of Archduke Francis Ferdinand, Thus starting WWI

    Utah's state gun started WWI NICE!

  • couginmass Hopkinton, MA
    Jan. 26, 2011 5:13 p.m.

    There are bad guys in the world. Sometimes, those bad guys are dealt with by gruff men with guns.

    Those gruff men might be in the military. They might be in the intelligence agencies. They might be in law enforcement.

    If it really goes wrong, they might be civilians.

    We use "killing machines" because that's the state of technology. I don't have a stun gun that can reach out and touch someone at 25 yards.

    Inside of 5 yards, someone trained to use a knife is more lethal. You learn that in tough guy school.

    As someone who is not trained, your reaction to gunfire will be to freeze. Don't do it. Get down. Then get away. If you stand there, you can easily get hit in the crossfire.

    In the end, there are three types of people. There are sheep. Those are the good people who wouldn't hurt anybody. They are the majority. There are wolves (bad guys). And then there are sheep dogs. They forcefully defend the good.

    A man should be good with firearms. Sometimes, there isn't an alternative.

    Hope this helps.

    Hope this helped.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Jan. 26, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    "'ve never understood why liberals want to disarm honest citizens and leave them defenseless when facing armed criminals."

    Please provide stats that show that "honest citizens" are safer with firearms than without. Are they robbed less?

    I grow tired of people thinking that self defense with a handgun is somehow a better situation than without.

    I cannot think of one instance where a robber or killer has been thwarted by a "honest citizen" with a handgun.

    However, I can think of several when previously "honest citizens" have become terrorists and killers with their handguns.

    They aren't trained. They aren't professional. They don't have the authority to use a killing machine. Personally, I don't understand why we need to have guns at all.

    What happens when in the crossfire between a honest citizen and a criminal, I'm shot and killed? Is the honest citizen still just an honest citizen? Or can they be considered killers as well?

    Repubs, I'm calling you out. Now answer.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 26, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    ap1868 | 1:02 p.m. Jan. 26, 2011:

    This isn't Detroit where the police aren't even safe in their own police station, and this isn't Chicago where criminals carry firearms but law abiding citizens can't.

    Here in Utah a majority of the citizens believe we have a fundamental right of self-defense, and luckily for us the US Supreme Court came down on our side of the issue in June of 2010.

    And no, pikap186, you won't see my handgun when I'm in line with you at the grocery store because it's concealed.

  • pikap1868 Layton, UT
    Jan. 26, 2011 1:04 p.m.

    Why is a gun needed as a state symbol? Utah didn't become a state because of the gun...

  • pikap1868 Layton, UT
    Jan. 26, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    @Rifleman- No, we don't believe that at all. The majority of us believe that it fine to own a gun but it's not fine to constantly have the gun with you at all times. Mainly because we don't know your intentions. Why do you need a gun with you at the gocery store? At church? Your child's school? We do understand your need to feel safe; however, how about you understand our need not being concerned when we see you walking around with a gun?

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 26, 2011 12:26 p.m.

    Your typical conservative, including those in Texas, believes the 2nd Amendment applies to them, believes they have the right to their lives, and that it includes the right to defend their lives.

    On the other hand your typical liberal thinks a handguns is a "weapon of mass destruction". They understand that criminals will always possess handguns but don't feel honest citizens should be entitled to the same privilege.

  • Mike in Texas Allen, TX
    Jan. 26, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    Yes, this is the time for the State of Utah to celebrate a weapon of mass destruction. What a Joke!

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 26, 2011 11:57 a.m.

    The Model 1911 semi-automatic chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge is an ideal self defense handgun. It is dependable, hard hitting, and accurate.

    I've never understood why liberals want to disarm honest citizens and leave them defenseless when facing armed criminals. In their landmark ruling in June of 2011 the US Supreme Court ruled the 2nd Amendment applies to individual citizens. Thank goodness.