Democratic legislative leaders call education the most critical issue

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  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    Jan. 26, 2011 8:23 a.m.

    SME, your supposed facts are twisted. Study after study after study after study is now showing that money spent in the classroom has a direct correlation to causal effect on achievement. Non-classroom expenditures have almost zero effect on achievement. Guess which areas have the highest non-classroom expenditures? Washington D.C., New York, California...

    I'd be more than glad to get together to show you 387 pages of research I have on the topic. It's in my hands right now :)

    More money in the classroom translates to more achievement. Period.

  • SME Kearns, UT
    Jan. 26, 2011 7:01 a.m.

    If more money was the solution the students in states leading in spending per pupil would do much better than those at the lower end. That is not the case. Washington DC and California are among the leaders in spending per pupil.Their students do NOT lead in acheivement.

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    Jan. 26, 2011 6:38 a.m.

    Here is where we draw the line and democrats have to learn to deal with a balanced budget of living within your means. Obama is not our governor and as a president even more questionnaire. Following the lead of Obama is the path of destruction by implosion. Imploding is the path to a nuclear explosion with some nefarious radioactive fall out.

    These so called critical issues are the problem and time to real in their disasters on the economy. Education in Utah is over funded, not accountable, and too riddle with fraud and waste to give them any more funds. Even cut a lot of funds to them.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 25, 2011 10:20 p.m.


    I'm sure your anecdotal finding are true across the board, right?

    How do you know that the seven special education students aren't severely handicapped and require one-on-one help?

    How do you know that there isn't a behavioral unit at the school that needs a detention teacher?

    I guess one secretary can enter all attendance information, make all appointments, manage the funds, and keep the place open?

    There's more to education than just having teachers in the classroom. Have you run for your local school board to inject your vast educational experiences into the running of a district, or is it just easier to complain about it? I'm sure you can clean the place up and improve it.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 25, 2011 9:40 p.m.

    I would be proud being 49th in spending. Here are some examples of wasted money I've seen in just one small high school:

    1. New artificail football turf--fifteen million dollars.
    2. New computers through out the school. No one could understand how to use them, so they got rid of them.
    3. Students made to eat breakfast in their classroom and told to throw it away if they're not hungry. The state pays for a large amount of students eating while money and food goes to waste.
    4. District pays for curriculum to be written and re-written annually. Expensive textbooks have curriculum professionally written, but districts keep reinventing the wheel.
    5. Seven special aid teachers and assistants for seven students.
    6. Purchasing 900 new math textbooks which were not used because the curriculum directer set up a different agenda.
    7. In a school of less than 900 students, you have:

    * one principal-with a secretary
    * two assistant principals
    * two counselors
    * two curriculum directers
    * two testing coordinators
    * one detention teacher
    * three secretaries

    Districts will use funding so it can be justified for the next school year. This kind of waste is common in many schools.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    Jan. 25, 2011 7:01 p.m.

    Hey, American First, I see you hail from California so things are obviously different there. Utah is a right-to-work state. There is no such thing as a union in Utah. Here we do have the Utah Education Association, which some would love to demonize, but really is fairly benign and powerless as far as state appropriations and what happens in Utah schools.
    The associations in Utah cannot strike like in other states. They can't hold the Legislature hostage from a bargaining position. All the talk is just rhetoric around here. The Legislature calls the shots and decisions are completely, 100% Republican made. Democrats get to share an opinion.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 25, 2011 4:34 p.m.

    the leader of democratic party - George Soros - wants young Americans to be "re-programmed" into a socialist minded culture. Obama must agree because George has made many personal visits to the Oval Office over the past two years. That's right, George Soros - the socialist billionaire who kills economies and creates government dependence. Maybe Barack will have George Stand tonight as an honored guest.

  • first2third Elmo, UT
    Jan. 25, 2011 4:17 p.m.

    @ america first

    The bigest "funneling of money" (as you call it) PAC in the state is Parents for Choice (as long as it is not public education). They spend three times as much in putting money into candidates hands(exclusivly republican hands), as does the UEA (split about 60-40 democrat-republican). Let's tell the truth about who is stuffing money in legislators pockets for their special intrests.

  • DesertRat Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 25, 2011 3:18 p.m.

    I'm a teacher in Arizona (and a very conservative Republican) and am currently studying educational funding in the U.S. I always cringe because Arizona ranks 49th in spending per pupil. Guess which state is 50th? Utah.

  • Jemmy Greenwood Village, CO
    Jan. 25, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    GuitarGuy wrote my reply. He is exactly right about the anti-intellectualism in our culture. It is somehow seen as bad is someone is eloquent and studious.

    In my opinion, education should be the first priority of our nation. We should be giving the same effort to improve our education system as was given during Kennedy's race to the moon.

    In a global economy in which the USA will compete in the service industry, education is the ONLY factor that matters for our future prosperity. We must improve all aspects of our system by hiring and retaining the best teachers. That alone won't solve the problem however. We need to foster a change in our culture that values education instead of mindless entertainment. Most people here know who won the Superbowl last year but very few probably know who won the Nobel Prizes last year. We've got our priorities backward!

  • GuitarGuy Layton, UT
    Jan. 25, 2011 2:01 p.m.

    Here are just two of the reasons why other industrialized nations are more successful at educating their children than we are:

    1. Parents are more involved with their children, particularly their education. Divorce rates are lower, and fewer couples are dependant on two incomes. So more often than here in the US, Mom and Dad are together, and one of them is home full-time.

    2. The notion of being educated is valued, as opposed to being a cause for ridicule. Getting good grades here makes you a "nerd". Speaking and writing correct English makes you a "grammar Nazi". Worst of all, we worship at the feet of celebrities, musicians and athletes, many of whom did not go to college (much less finish high school), and to whom we flock in droves for minute-by-minute updates on their charmed lives in a mutant form of English on Twitter.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 25, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    Why is it other industrialized countries can educate their children for a third of the money we spend? Every time legislative leaders talk education, I cringe at what it will cost this time. In the industrial nations, we rank 25th in literacy and 1 with spending.

    It's not bad teachers---it's greedy money spending legislators.

  • CanYouHearMeNow Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 25, 2011 11:57 a.m.

    @American First:

    Is your comment for real?

  • American First Merced, CA
    Jan. 25, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    Funeling money to their Union buddies in the Public teachers unions is Democrats top priority, we all know it's about getting people in their pocket and vote buying...nothing to do with educating our children. Smoke and Mirrors.