Mike Whitelock: College football: BYU No. 27, Utes No. 52 in stadium attendance

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  • Cougar in Texas Houston, TX
    Jan. 26, 2011 6:55 a.m.


    I think shutting out Chow's PAC-10 offense is at least if not more relevant than your simple opinion that his addition to the Utah staff "will make them compete very well". Where is the "logic" in that?

    BYU already has a "good program" pre-independence, and will continue to have one. What is your "logic" for saying independence was a foolish choice? That is your opinion, just like most everything anyone says in these comments, and I disagree with it.

  • DixieAggie St.George, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    Cougar in Texas,

    How does one game against BYU say anything about the value of Norm Chow? Your logic is questionable. Let's get real. BYU will have a good program after they realize that independence was a foolish choice.

  • Cougar in Texas Houston, TX
    Jan. 24, 2011 6:44 a.m.


    You may be right on both counts.

    However, Chow's last visit to Provo as an OC for UCLA resulted in a 59-0 shellacking; UCLA's worst loss in over 80 years.

  • Cougar in Texas Houston, TX
    Jan. 24, 2011 6:38 a.m.

    To pocyUte2

    Thanks for the references.

    Still missing is to back up your assertion that USU was happy to not play Utah because they were trying to get bowl eligible. The only USU quote in that article is that they were trying to get to six home games every year.

    Will the series still continue in 2012?

    So, why was your first response an attempt at misdirection? Quote: "I don't know (why Utah did not play USU), why won't Rose play them in Logan?" Obviously, you didn't even know, and you posted yourself "into a bigger hole" (that you've since conveniently ingnored) by then accusing Rose of not playing USU in Logan, an accusation that I've totally refuted.

    Was it worth it, getting worked on national TV by a then 4-5 Notre Dame team that was coming off home losses to Navy and Tulsa?

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Jan. 23, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    >>>Just the FAX

    You do realize that the stadium capacity for the years you posted 1997-2001 was 35,000 and that in 2001 work was being done on the stadium to expand it to 45,000 for the Olympics.

    Also, Utah's lowest turnout this year in basketball is 7293 against Montana, so where did you get your "lucky to get 6,000" from?

    I also want to congratulate Utah State for a second year in row coming in above the FBS minimum of 15,000. I am glad you got that monkey off your back.

  • DixieAggie St.George, Utah
    Jan. 22, 2011 11:25 p.m.

    Had Utah played in Logan, they probably would have creamed us. Sorry Cougars, the Utes have a better program. And Norm Chow as an addition will make them compete very well.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 10:35 p.m.

    Let's not forget that BYU lost seating due to the increased handicap seating. They need to fill in the corners of the stadium and that could proably give the stadium another 10,000 seats.

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 10:21 p.m.

    @ Utes Fan

    Hummmm, to much snow in the driveway?

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 10:14 p.m.

    It's Blocked!

  • bookonwomen Beverly Hills, CA
    Jan. 22, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    The Utes should expand to at least 60k+. If the Utes are going to spend the money to expand they might as well add a significant amount to prepare for future growth. SLC is only getting bigger and Utah's program is on the rise.

    BYU is in the same boat. They should look at adding to exceed 80k+.

  • pocyUte2 Pocatello, Id
    Jan. 22, 2011 7:56 p.m.


    are you 3 years old. If you read my post I answered it.

    but let me take you through it step by step so you can understand

    Step 1. Utah and USU were already scheduled to play in 2010 and 2011.

    Step 2. The 2010 Utah/USU game was scheduled to be played in Logan.

    Step 3. Utah State gave up the games for those 2 years. Utah did not have buy them out.

    Step 4. Utah could not play them on the road in 2011 because their out of conference schedule was already set.

    Step 5. Utah State was happy to get out of the games because as Anderson said when he got the job, he wanted to guarantee 6 home games, and schedule a FCS team each year to make the path to bowl eligibility easier. Getting out of the 2011 game allowed them to swap a road game for a home game with a much easier opponent.

    Step 6. Now do what Cougar in Texas did and stop posting yourself into a bigger hole.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 7:28 p.m.

    You still didn't answer the question pocy and I am sure it is because you have no answer. If utah state was simply looking for another home game then why wouldn't utah play them in Logan?

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 6:30 p.m.

    Not surprised by the results. utes posters trying to justify their existence in a state/nation and dominated by BYU fans.

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    Nothing like arguing who has the bigger sandbox. My dad can beat up your dad. Fans on both sides are pathetic.

    Kudos to those fans that recognize how great it is to have good college football in the area.

  • pocyUte2 Pocatello, Id
    Jan. 22, 2011 3:16 p.m.


    You and Houston have no recollection of the recent past do you.

    Follow me here, please:

    The Utah/USU game for 2010, which was referenced earlier by Houston, was bumped because of the Utah/Notre Dame game. Utah needed an open date to play that game, and USU was willing to opt out because it allowed them the flexibility in their scheduling.

    Again, I refer you to the article

    "We are appreciative that Utah State has agreed to temporarily suspend our annual series," Hill said.

    One of the big things that Anderson stressed when he took the job, was making sure they played 6 home games, and fewer "money" games. Utah never insisted they play all their football games at home. I don't know where that one comes from.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 2:51 p.m.


    "We now have the freedom to build a more balanced schedule that will include 6 home games every year."

    So why wouldn't utah play them at home? If the aggies were simply looking to play more home games then why wouldn't utah play them there?

    If I was the aggies and utah was insisting on the games always being at utah then I would dump them as well so I could have another home game. Home games are where a program makes the most money.

  • pocyUte2 Pocatello, Id
    Jan. 22, 2011 2:31 p.m.

    Thank you, Hedge.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 22, 2011 2:24 p.m.


    Well played. Well played indeed.

  • pocyUte2 Pocatello, Id
    Jan. 22, 2011 2:15 p.m.


    You asked for it, you got. From D news July 29,2008:

    "We are committed to continue our series with Utah long term," said USU athletics director Scott Barnes. "Short term, we needed some open dates in 2010 and 2011 ... We now have the freedom to build a more balanced schedule that will include six home games every year."

  • pocyUte2 Pocatello, Id
    Jan. 22, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    Actually truth,

    no spin about it. In football, utah dropped usu to play ND, this was done before Utah joined the Pac-12. In bball, I think they will be able play USU, but I haven't heard whats going to happen. There are a lot more restrictions with football than bbal--Only 3 ooc games, Pac-12 doesn't let you play them late in the year (except USC-ND), one of those OOC games is always going to be BYU, so that leaves 2 left.

    Like I say, I haven't heard anything about BBall, but that's how it's breaking down in football.

  • Cougar in Texas Houston, TX
    Jan. 22, 2011 1:56 p.m.

    And this season was the first time USU played in Provo since 2006, so it follows the normal rotation with one year off and one year in SLC, so your insinuations are baseless.

    Please provide an article reference or quote showing where Utah dropped USU in favor of Notre Dame, or that USU was happy about it because they thought it would help their bowl chances.

    You very well know that if BYU had dropped a USU football game for any reason that you and certain other Ute fans would be all over it.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 1:55 p.m.


    All spin; you know Utah has no intention of ever playing the Aggies again, especially in Logan.

    The PAC 12, Utah's new task master, would never allow it.

  • pocyUte2 Pocatello, Id
    Jan. 22, 2011 1:42 p.m.

    In addition, houston

    USU was happy to not play Utah because they were really trying to get bowl eligible. So they gladly opted out of Utah, but kept BYU. hmmmmmmmmm

  • pocyUte2 Pocatello, Id
    Jan. 22, 2011 1:39 p.m.


    the real reason why utah didn't play USU was because they had the opportunity to play Notre Dame.

    No, Utes didn't duck USU, and to insinuate it is ridiculous

    You do realize that last year was the first time since 2005 that BYU played USU in Logan

  • Cougar in Texas Houston, TX
    Jan. 22, 2011 1:32 p.m.


    Nice try at misdirection.

    So Utes DID duck USU in football last year just when it was their turn to play in Logan. Hmmmmm.

    BYU played USU in BBall in Logan just last season.

    Nice try.

  • Cougar in Texas Houston, TX
    Jan. 22, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    To wwookie 6:20 a.m.

    You have no idea that Utah would have sold out their stadium if it had as many seats as LES.

    Why does BYU not have the luxury of guaranteed income the next few years? The ESPN contract kicks in immediately, and they do not have to share revenue with anyone.

    The "fancy" HDTV filming equipment was already paid for by non-athletic department funds.

  • pocyUte2 Pocatello, Id
    Jan. 22, 2011 1:26 p.m.

    I don't know, why won't Rose play them in Logan?

  • Cougar in Texas Houston, TX
    Jan. 22, 2011 1:23 p.m.

    Why did Utah duck USU altogether last year?

  • pocyUte2 Pocatello, Id
    Jan. 22, 2011 1:00 p.m.


    Truth, your argument would be valid if you beat those teams last year. But getting it handed to you by USU is worst of all

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 12:37 p.m.


    "Same could be said about Army.... that's if you asked the question in 1951."

    Beating up on Oklahoma, Oregon State, Oregon, Notre Dame, UCLA... does bring national respect.

    Getting humiliated three times in their final 5 games by a WAC, MWC and Notre Dame team brings national embarrassment.

    Congratulations, you've been demoted from MWC contender to PAC 12 bottom dweller.

    Keep it up and you'll soon replace Washington State as the laughing stock of the AQ conferences.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 22, 2011 11:40 a.m.

    "The typical year for BYU is Top 25 (50% of the polls since 1977)"

    Same could be said about Army.... that's if you asked the question in 1951.

    Face it, in the BCS era BYU has been a failure. Beating up on NMS and Tulane doesn't bring national respect. Losing to USU only diminishes what little relevance the tds had.

    You have know been demoted from the kiddy table to the high chair ( e.i lower rung Wac team).

    Keep it up and the SWAC will be your new home.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    Nope, utahcountyute

    The typical year for BYU is Top 25 (50% of the polls since 1977)

    The typical year for Utah is unranked (only ranked 5 times in their entire history)

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    @Ducky and Rainintime... Come on can't you byu fans just get along?


    Nice spin. So what you are saying is that 7-6 is typical for byu?

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 10:24 a.m.


    When your screen name is an actual misspelling it doesn't do much to enhance your repuation as a card carrying member of the grammar police. Not to mention "grammar" smack is lame and only the only people that engage in it are those that don't have a decent point on the subject being discussed.

    Also I am guessing that the ute "fans" on here are pretty surprised to discover I am now one of them. I'm not really sure where you got that idea but then it seems you are so focused in on the grammar that the points being made simply pass you by. Or perhaps you simply lack the cognitive ability to understand a point when a minor grammatical error is committed? Next time I write a novel I will spend a little bit more time checking on my grammar.

    Signed a 30 year season ticket holder at LES.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    The headline says it all:

    "BYU No. 27, Utes No. 52 in stadium attendance"

    BYU not quite Top 25 in a rebuilding year

    Utah not quite Top 50 in a supposedly NC contending year

    Spin it however you want, but RES and LES are just about the right sizes to accommodate the fan interest for each football program in a typical year.

  • RaininTime Orem, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    My problem is with the photo chosen for this article, namely a photo of a 1/3 full LES, instead of 61,000 who came to the games regardless of the down year BYU produced.

    I am sure the photo archives had plenty of other more noteworthy pictures that depict 61,000 fans. The copywriter is obviously a Ute.
    Anyway, both football fans showed support. The basketball attendance numbers will be quite interesting indeed.

    Finally, @Duckhunter "as well as done work on their ......." I'm sorry my friend, but when you write, "done work" instead of simply "worked," you project a stereotype of Utah that is a pet-peeve of mine. It's one thing to be a fan and post comments supporting your Utes, which I can respect. It's quite another grinding out a sentence that irritates the "oh my hec," out of me.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 22, 2011 9:24 a.m.

    The mean spirited comments from the Y fans proves how raddled they still are that despite all their feelings of superiority (we have bigger stadium etc.) that their team was still not invited to the big boy leagues while their rival Utah and even TCU were. Face it, when TCU gets the invite and you don't it's time face the reality you aren't all that and the bag of chips you claim to be. Maybe a little more reality based humility would help you correct those things that kept you not only out of the PAC 12 but even the Big Least; I dont hear the BIG 12 calling either.

  • UtahDerek sandy, ut
    Jan. 22, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    Burton is still unblocked, 2 out of 3 years. Go Utes

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    The utes are filling their stadium these days, that can't be denied. But it does remain to be seen if their "fans" will still attend in the down years which are going to occur on occasion.

    The university of utah is upgrading their other athletic facilities as well. They just built a very nice new track (I contracted some of the work) as well as done work on their softball field and other facilities. I would guess they will continue to do those things going forward as needed and as they can afford it.

    But they have to be concerned about the loyalty of thier fan base. The huntsman center is almost empty these days and they know that similar results by the football program will result in similar attendence at res. Until there is a proven attendence record that shows fans will still show up for mediocre seasons I doubt they will expand the stadium.

    But if they can get consistently good winning records I think the fans will stay and expansion will ultimately happen. But their "fan" base is tenuous with a reputation for being front runners so they absolutely have to perform.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 8:19 a.m.

    There have been some pretty stupid comments. Frankly, I doubt either team will do anything soon to either facility. Why? Money. People have forgotten that RES was given to them by the Olympic movement. LES has been finished since 1981. Neither school has the money to do a major project. The State won't fund the U and the LDS church won't fund BYU.

    As far as all the 10-3, 7-6 jabbering goes, both teams were a blocked fg away from a totally different season. In talking with people, I hear a lot of disappointment from both sides. BYU wishes they could do their front half over. Ditto for Utah about their 2nd half.

    Future big money is still a couple of years away for Utah, except for a couple of million in TV money next which sort of matches what the MWC payout would have been.

    BYU doesn't really know how much their independent world will generate. Could be really big money next year, especially if they get 7 home games considering they get to keep what they earn. No sharing required.

    The next couple of years are hide and watch for both!

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 8:07 a.m.


    This guy doesn't have any serious issues neither does his kids, it is just plain common sense, to not want to expose my kids to the kind of abuse that only Ute-fans know how to administer...grown adults conducting themselves like complete idiots who have lost their minds and morals.

    This is coming from one BYU football fan that has been to many games around the country over the years: 2 BYU vs. Notre Dame games in South Bend Indiana (1994 & 2003), the Michigan vs. Purdue game in the big-house in 2007, the 1981 & 1984 Holiday Bowls, the 1999 Motor City Bowl, the 2001 Liberty Bowl. None of the opposing fans bases have carried on and acted like what we've heard from Utah fans, specifically after this year's game at RES or the one in 2008. Yes, BYU fans can be unruly too, but only reacting to the out-of-control Ute-fans behavior whether BYU or not: Treatment of Max-Hall's family in '08, the TCU/Utah game this year, when some drunk woman disrobes in the stands...Will for one will never attend any games @ UTAH for that very reason!

  • OlpuebloguyInWyo Evanston, WY
    Jan. 22, 2011 7:59 a.m.

    RES will expand for sure. They have to pull their share with the other Pac 12 teams. I wonder if they took into consideration that the capacity of LES was reduced this past year? LES can and should expand as well. Add an upper deck on the northside and on the corners, fill-in with seats. It can be done. Just need to fork-out the dough from rich supporters. They will need it if they want to play with the big boys.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 7:57 a.m.

    Does anyone remember that LES is bigger than RES? Why would anyone brag about having more fans attend games when RES can't hold any more seats? I am a Ute and realize that BYU fans outnumber Utah fans 3 to 1 in this state. The fact that Utah fans have filled this stadium for the past few years is a great achievement. It is safe to say that a higher percentage of Utah fans attend football games than BYU fans. My tickets are going to double in price this year and I have my name on a waiting list for 4 more tickets. The stadium will be expanded to over 55,000 over the next five years and it will be filled especially with teams like Oregon, USC, UCLA coming in on a regular basis. Once we prove we can fill the stadium, it will expand to over 60,000. It will happen with all the new revenue that will be coming in over the next 5 years.

    Football is fun no matter who you cheer for.

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 7:24 a.m.

    To: Wallbanger -- You've had too many Wallbangers...WHEN the Utes have their first .500 season in the PAC12 (next year), RES will be half empty and you'll be able to hear a pin drop. Have fun with that.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Jan. 22, 2011 6:20 a.m.

    The logic of most of the above arguments is really lacking.

    Utah sold out their stadium and probably would have had better numbers than BYU this season if they had a bigger stadium.

    However, ticket prices are cheaper for Utah students (free) than for BYU students (Not sure what the price is up to now, but it was $5.00 ll years ago.)

    With increased revenue, the Utes have a top priority to expand the stadium so that ticket prices can continue to be lower than average for the fans.

    BYU will not have the luxury of a guaranteed revenue for the next few years to come, so they need to keep prices higher than average. Plus they need to pay for their fancy HDTV filming equipment which is a source of pride for their athletic department (although it is used by other programs too).

    Hope the utes stick to their principles and do not raise ticket prices quicker than the inflation rate.

  • Brettski2024 Concord, CA
    Jan. 22, 2011 3:40 a.m.

    If you feel like RES isn't a safe place to bring your kids you have some serious issues. We only focus on the elderly and Max Hall's family. (SARCASM)

  • '90Cougar Hampstead, NC
    Jan. 22, 2011 2:30 a.m.

    BYU has a bigger stadium - no new news there.

    In the last decade, Utah has moved their football program to a new level. They routinely sell out their 45,000 seat stadium. Utah's season attendance has eclipsed their seating capacity for three years in a row. Is it time for expansion?

    My guess is that it will be a few years. I expect the U will wait and see how competitive Utah is in the Pac 12, and how much ticket demand there is before they invest tens of millions of dollars into expanding the stadium.

    I don't see RES being as large as LES anytime. BYU has a much larger fan-base, and probably always will.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 10:08 p.m.

    I hate reading these mindless, mean-spirited comments.

    Go BYU!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    Well we now know who has a legacy program.

    BYU has... LES, Marriot Center, the HDTV Studio, the ESPN Contract, the fan base and the MOMENTUM!

  • softshack89 Bountiful, Utah
    Jan. 21, 2011 8:17 p.m.

    Weird, I haven't seen Utah fans posting on here for awhile. I thought they were only fans in the fall...

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Jan. 21, 2011 8:11 p.m.


    We all know that Utah and Colorado were only invited to join the PAC 12 as fillers so they could hold a championship game.

    Despite all of the platitudes from Scott, the Utes bring very little to the table as far as overall athletic excellence and fan base.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 21, 2011 7:49 p.m.

    And yet the tds can't seem to get into a BCS conference or a BCS bowl...

    btw has the big 12 called yet?

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 7:36 p.m.

    Dave S

    Sorry, my naive friend

    at $40 per ticket x 16,000 = $640,000 + concessions

    BYU was the big winner by over a half-millon in revenue EVERY game this past season

    and every season for the past 30 years.

    100% of 45,000 is still only 45,000

    Your 10-3 record wasn't even good enough to finish in the Top 25.

    A 10+ win BYU team has NEVER failed to finish in the Top 25, both polls.

    btw, who was supposed to be guarding Jimmer?

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Jan. 21, 2011 7:31 p.m.

    blue and michigan coug

    I take my children to Utah games all the time, and it's not a problem. I will say, the worst place I have been treated as a visiting fan is LES, and I never said anything about BYU or their players or engaged a BYU fan at all. I also know my car didn't say anything to anyone, but that didn't keep BYU fans from covering the Utah magnets with loogies.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 21, 2011 7:30 p.m.

    !00.98% of capacity...show the u still can't add or the fire marshall needs to be called in!

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Jan. 21, 2011 7:29 p.m.

    Possible Expansion:

    This is what I found on the expansion -

    Though there are no immediate plans to expand Rice-Eccles Stadium, the stadium was built with future expansion in mind. With the recent success of Utah football, speculation has been fueled about stadium expansion. The University of Utah plans on expanding Rice-Eccles Stadium to around 55,000 fans by enclosing the southern end zone and adding an identical press box to the east-side of the stadium.

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 6:38 p.m.

    I'll take a 10-3 record vs. a 7-6 record any day. Also over 100% capacity and twice as loud as 65K in LES.

    Sorry little bros. you lose again!! Oh yeah Burton is still blocking!! ha ha ha ha

  • Flames6 North Salt Lake, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 6:28 p.m.

    Congrats to all of the Cougar fans who posted here. You win again. I'm bummed any Ute fans returned the favor.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 6:22 p.m.


    You're absolutely correct!

    I've taken my grandson to many BYU games at LES without a moment's hestitation.

    I would never even consider taking my grandson to a game at RES, even though I've been to dozens of games at RES, and I'm a Utah grad.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 6:17 p.m.


    Does it improve your self esteem when the Utes are successful football or basketball?

    Actually, the arguments are simply predictable spin from Utah fans who've been beaten to a pulp in the attendance war for as long as any of them can remember.

    Your sarcasm notwithstaning, Utah doesn't have a larger stadium because there's not enough interest in Utah football to warrant a larger stadium.

    Obviously, that's a sore spot with many Utah fans that they fail miserably at trying to spin.

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    BYU certainly does have alot more kids in attendance @ LES, because it is a much safer and a morally conducive place to take your kids to watch a game, with out the fear of having to plug their ears from the verbal abuse and drunk people dis-robing in front of others.

    Before all you Ute fans starting crying "holier than than thou, I'm just stating facts. I'd bet that at least 1/3 of those 45,000 Ute fans after any given game are not in any condition to drive, just ask Max Hall's family...

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Jan. 21, 2011 5:32 p.m.

    Big ben

    You were spot on.

  • Big_Ben Centerville, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 5:03 p.m.

    and thus far, my prediction has been spot on......

    does it really give anyone a greater sense of self esteem to say that your stadium gets filled up and the other one does not? Do you feel better about yourself because your stadium is bigger? Is there a sense of self confidence that the other teams fans are *alegedly* more fickle?

    If so, you are one cool person, and I strive to be just like you.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Jan. 21, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    "Let's not forget that at least 40% of the fans at LES are kids under the age of ten who do not understand football or even care about it, and are only there because they have no other choice. This is speaking of many experiences of being there not opinion."

    When were you there? You obviously have not been there recently for you to claim that as fact. I went to every home game this last year and I can tell you from experience, not opinion, that the number of kids less than 10 years old do NOT make up 40% of the crowd. Some, but not nearly as much as 40%.

    True, there are more youngsters in the crowd than you will see at other schools (BYU is different, as we all know; older players on average, more married players, more players that speak other languages, etc.). If anything, that is just testimony to how family-friendly the environment at LES is while still being a noisy stadium that's usually hard for opponents to play at.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 4:35 p.m.

    We should get Mr. Mark it Down to project how many decades it will be before RES is expanded.

    Another interesting projection would be how many centuries it will be before RES capacity exceeds LES capacity.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    Really surprising numbers from the Utes. I diddn't think they had it in them. I doubt the Utes attendance after halftime of the TCU game wasn't taken into consideration for these numbers. Stadium was literally half empty by the middle of the third quarter(got this from a Ute fan who attended).


  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    Econ 101 - supply and demand

    LES is much larger because there's much more demand

    RES is much smaller because there's much less demand

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 21, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    For a look at how fickle Utah fans are about supporting their team:

    1997 6-5 31,654
    1998 7-4 39,060
    1999 9-3 39,249
    2000 4-7 39,121
    2001 8-4 34,458

    One losing season and attendance the following year dropped like rock.

    In 1998, the Huntsman was averaging near capacity (15,000) every game. Today, the Utes are lucky if they can get 6,000 actual fans in the stands.

    Hill has seen how quickly the Utes desert their team as soon as the Utes start losing.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 4:08 p.m.

    BYU does a great job of filling that stadium consistently. Utah is improving and will be a tough ticket with the PAC schools coming to town.

    Great to see college football in the state thrive.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    Let's not forget that at least 40% of the fans at LES are kids under the age of ten who do not understand football or even care about it, and are only there because they have no other choice. This is speaking of many experiences of being there not opinion. So congrats coug fans, your fan base at LES is somewhere on the lines of, 20,000 "real" or "diehard" fans, 35,000 obnoxious rowdy kids or babies, and about 10,000 senior citizens knitting blankets and or listening to the game on headphones while sort of watching it.

    The U may have a smaller stadium, but from my many experiences at both stadiums, I think RES has WAY more diehard and real fans of the game there watching.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 21, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    Utah fans love spinning recent attendance figures based on capacity, but the bottom line is BYU in a 7-6 year drew an average of 16,000 more fans per game than Utah with a 10-3 record and a once Top 5 ranking.

    BYU 61,381, Utah 45,459

    The Utes blame their lower attendance on their smaller stadium, but the reality is the Utes have a smaller stadium because there's not enough interest in Utah football to fill a larger stadium.

    BYU was drawing 46,000+ way back in 1980, BEFORE demand for increased capacity drove expansion of Cougar Stadium to 66,000.

    For the last 30 years, BYU has averaged 15,000 to 25,000 more fans every year than Utah.

    The reasons Utah won't expand its stadium are:

    1. The Utes don't have enough money to expand their stadium.

    2. Chris Hill doesn't want to waste millions of dollars expanding RES just to see 20,000 to 30,000 seats sitting empty when the Utes become a perennial middle of the PAC, unranked, 7-5 team.

    Huntsman Center capacity 15,000, attendance 6,000.

    Spin away, but that's reality!

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Jan. 21, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    Not only do we both have high attendance numbers, but we both have the beautiful Wasatch Mountains for a backdrop. Looks like I'm not the only one who loves a football game on a bright Fall afternoon in Utah.

    It would be great to see both schools get the funds to expand their respective stadiums!

  • Y4LYFE Lubbock, TX
    Jan. 21, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    Even in BYUs worst home season in a while they do better. Especially since BYU students have to pay. Imagine if they got into all sports for free like utah! Wow, that's crazy it's free and they don't sell out. I understand about basketball I suppose.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    Jan. 21, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    Way to go Utes! This speaks volumes for the need to expand RES. You're in the PAC 10 now and need to get the stadium up to 60k or so to really make it a great home field advantage. Imagine Oregon coming into a sea of red. Get it done.

    Kudos to the Y as well. A 7-6 season and still they nearly sell out every game. I think LES could use another 20k seats as well in order to generate a bit more cash with all the big names that will be coming to Provo in future years!

    Good Luck to both (but mostly the Cougs) next year!

  • JustintimeY Boise, Id
    Jan. 21, 2011 2:58 p.m.

    So in a down year at 7-6 BYU still sells 16000 more seats a game than Utah? The Raw numbers are the raw numbers. Who cares if you are at 100 percent capacity if you play your games in a cracker jack box stadiam that only holds 30,000 people.

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    Skierelmo: my guess would be as soon as they know how much revenue the pac-12 tv contract brings in. If it is as high as estimated, then it will start as soon as the ink on the tv contract is dry. The U can float the construction costs until they start receiving the full revenue share from the conference. I would bet by the start of the 2013 season, RES will have 10-15,000 more seats. If they take down the entire south endzone seating and locker rooms, then it will be 2014.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Jan. 21, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    Thriller you're spot on. That is 2 schools within 40 miles of each other selling out all the time. When both teams are playing that's over 100,000 people going to football games from a population base of about 2 mill. I'd say mobilizing roughly 5% of the wasatch front is pretty good.

    I hope the expansion happens soon.

  • Skierelmo Oakley, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    Not often is big ben the voice of reason, but this time I concur. Let's get it out of the way now.... higher percentage.... more total people.... a bunch of classless kids.... a bunch of newly weds and nearly drags....
    now that we got that out of our system.... congratulations to both teams, byu for numbers, and Utah for percentage.

    In all seriousness, does anyone know the timetable or fiscal estimates on the RES expansion?

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Jan. 21, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    And another beat down by the Y.

    A 7-6 teams outdraws the u by about 96,000 fan for the year...so the u needs to play 8 home games a year, and sell out the RES, to equal a down year for the Y.

    The average ticket price at the Y is 3x the price of the u, so the u will need to play 24 home games a year to generate the same revenue stream as a 7-6 team from BYU.

    Instead of expanding the RES, just fill it in with sand, save the tax payers money. The Ath Department of the u is a money loser...time to shut it down.

  • Trent Madsen North Salt Lake, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 1:20 p.m.

    Even in a down year BYU still had a large pecentages go to the games, and get a lot of people! Utah also did great avereging over its capacity. Way to go college football fans in Utah.

  • Thriller Saint George, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    I've gotta say, these numbers are pretty impressive. To have two schools in one state who consistently sell out games and provide such difficult environments for opposing teams to play in is a great thing.

    Go Utes!

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    Utah at #11, 100.98% of capacity. And that is with season tickets sold out at a 31,000 cap, and the amount of student tickets capped. If Rice-Eccles expanded tomorrow, the U has the season ticket waiting list and student demand to fill it immediately. It's a gooooood time to be a Ute fan!

    And Cougar fan living in 1984 will continue to claim Rice-Eccles is half-full and only sells out when the team down south comes to town.

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 12:52 p.m.

    One .500 season and RES turns into a ghost town...

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 12:51 p.m.


    Funny, since byU was in the MWC and went 7-6. lol

    2 out of 3 and SCOREBOARD!

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    I say it is time to expand the stadium. We need to enclose the south end zone!

  • darev Billings, MT
    Jan. 21, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    Who can forget that Vegas Bowl. LOL!

  • Big_Ben Centerville, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    I predict that this thread will bring out the most immature on both sides of the argument. I think the Des news does it intentionally sometimes to stir the pot.

    hedge and whoisjohngalt are already hard at work making thier respective sides look bad.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 21, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    Interesting how a storied program like UofM continues to post sell out seasons even after suffering several poor seasons.

    BYU suffers one bad season and the affects are felt quickly.

    Who can forget that New Mexico game...LOL!

  • whoisjohngalt Holladay, UT
    Jan. 21, 2011 12:17 p.m.

    Its ok little brother with a smaller stadium and a smaller fan base... at least you'll be in the pac 12 huh? Good for you. 6-6!