Utah Jazz keep Gaines for at least 10 more days

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  • Re CL
    Jan. 16, 2010 1:24 p.m.

    You can stay on the CJ bandwagon for as long as you want,just realize it`s not going anywhere because as you stated yourself he is lazy,out of shape,winded all the time,and worst of all he`s a ballhog,who is not all that good a shooter and not a team player,notice on the replays when Gaines hit the game-winner and was mobbed,CJ was no where to be found

  • Gaines...
    Jan. 16, 2010 1:08 p.m.

    Game winning shots...1, miles game winning shots...0,that`s gotta be eatin at you,eh miles?

  • Gains
    Jan. 16, 2010 2:13 a.m.

    seems to do well against the best of breed. The tougher the competition the better he plays. He is probably a born competitor that loves his game. this makes the game extrtemely interesting for me. He is no slacker. He will give the Jazz fans something interesting to watch.

  • todd from santa ana
    Jan. 16, 2010 12:07 a.m.

    You guys can rip me apart and it is easy too after "you win" most of the Sloan ites....Most of the OConnor SUpporters-only go on here to say "i told you so" or "sloan is great we told you so because we win a couple of suprising results"

    What is the "body of the work over a season" remember last year? The first half of this season?

    I will say it again: You could give Jerry "the greatest roster" and he still would not win an NBA title...He has "to prove" it to me.

    I am on here good and bad. I even have the class to praise Sloan and O Connor when deserved as I have proven for the last year.

    Further, we will see about Gaines. If anyone tell me O Connor sent off Maynor because "not including salary dump, he already knew Gaines could be nba player"?

    That is a reach....

    Can we not be happy about Gaines and hope he contributes to us when called upon?

    I do support our team. Still this team is 1 major deal away from being #2 in the West.

    That is where I have problems withg GM

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 15, 2010 11:38 p.m.

    Sign Gaines for the rest of the year. He has earned it.

  • Gains vs. Maynor
    Jan. 15, 2010 9:00 p.m.

    What Gains has that Maynor never will? An NBA body! Maynor is a short AK - will never be able to hold any muscle or weight on his frame and this is a liability in today's NBA.

  • No Talent
    Jan. 15, 2010 5:28 p.m.

    I would suggest that for a 10 day contract the Jazz are getting a lot for their money.

    Gaines is not Rondo or Nash. He certainly isn't Magic Johnson.

    He is a combo guard who does not know the Jazz offense. He can shoot and that is not based on one shot. We have seen enough to know he can shoot in the NBA. He plays decent D and should get better as he gains experience.

    Give the kid a break. No talent? He has only played 5 games. Give him the rest of the season to learn the offense and adjust to the NBA. At the end of the season the Jazz can decide if they need more talent.

    Sloan gave Price 4 years (with contract extensions) to learn to be a PG. Gaines is not a pure PG. Right now he looks like he is as good as Price and a whole lot cheaper.

    Playing both Price and Gaines together seems to be an interesting approach. It takes pressure off of both.

    Would you rather have Gaines, Knight or Hart? Knight played for 10 years. I think Gaines has enough talent to be in the NBA.

  • CL
    Jan. 15, 2010 3:15 p.m.

    Re Sandy Jazz Fan: Your pretty much right on most things and that is why I have been having a hard time staying on the CJ bandwagon. Mathews deserves to start and most of the time he has outplayed CJ.
    Potential is a different thing, Potential is a combination of athletism, and skills. CJ is taller, longer, better hops (?), CJ's shot is better long range and pull up jumper. Fress throws CJ last yr shot 87%, this yr he hasn't hardly got to the line (problem in itself), CJ's quickness and speed are questionable because of his nonshalont approach. There are time he shows as good or better quickness and speed and anyone on the team and other times he looks terrible.
    Mathews hustles all the time and his quickness to stay in front of his man is great. CJ shows he can play D against anyone at times and then other times he looks terrible. I think it's not that he can't it's because he's lazy and not tough enough.
    If CJ and Mathews play up to their potential I'll take CJ but Mathews plays closer to his potential than CJ.

  • Sandy Jazz Fan
    Jan. 15, 2010 1:56 p.m.

    @Miles, CL. BTW, I just don't get this "potential" thing with CJ. I don't think he has improved all that much this year, and I don't think he's any better this year than last. So just what is his "potential"? Pretty much all he is is a shooter. So he raises his shooting percentage 5 or 10 points? That won't make him that much more valuable.

    Matthews is a much more well-rounded player. He may not be a superstar, but he is solid and he will keep getting better. He is a better passer than CJ, better driver, has better court sense, more energy, and is just as good of a shooter . He will improve in many more dimensions over time.

    As for stats, CJ is NOT better in all categories:

    Shooting: Matthews, .480, CJ. 397
    3-point : Matthews, .359, CJ .319
    FT: Matthews, .773 (second on team), CJ .667
    FT/game: Matthews: 2.0, CJ, 0.6
    TO: Matthews, 1.0, CJ 1.15
    PF: Matthews, 1.5, CJ 3.0

    CJ scores more (8.9 v. 8.3), but only because he shoots so much more.

  • Sandy Jazz Fan
    Jan. 15, 2010 1:46 p.m.

    @Miles, CL. Yes, I live in Utah (that's Sandy, Utah, not Sandy, elsewhere), and yes, I know that Matthews is older than CJ. But college ball is no comparison to the NBA. It's not just court time. It's practice, watching the games in person, learning from your teammates, etc. As Sloan says, Fesenko and Koufus have continued to improve this year, and they've hardly gotten any court time. Age notwithstanding, CJ is in his fourth year of NBA experience and Matthews is in his fourth MONTH. That's a huge difference.

    I have to say that in previous years, I loved CJ and always liked to watch him play. But that was when the Jazz were more of a shooting team, with Korver and Okur's 3s dominating like they did most of last year. Having seen how could we were running the offense and executing D during the 19 games Matthews started, it made it clear to me how much of a deficit CJ really is and how much Matthews adds to the team. It isn't that CJ is bad, but our team is worse when he plays...

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 15, 2010 1:05 p.m.

    But gaines defense has been light years ahead of maynor. big upgrade as far as that end of the floor is concerned.

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 15, 2010 1:04 p.m.

    If you really want to compare gaines to maynor, you'd have to say, gaines is the better scorer, and maynor is the better runner of an offense.
    I don't want to get nostolgic about maynor, but he had a way of finding the open guy and getting them a chance for a good score, he did it surprisingly well, but maynor will never be the scorer that gaines is, however, gaines can become better at facilitating the offense, hence he will fit the job description of jazz backup pg. This is what I'm waiting to see, he's a pg, will he work at #1 priority, run the offense, i do think that he can run it better than price, but price is such a tough competitor he makes up for it with his hustle. It's not as important that the backup pg get everyone involved. Comeon, price boxing at lebron, thats got to warm the heart a little.
    obviously, gaines will get a contract, i think he's going to make a fine backup pg and be better for this team than maynor. He makes it easy to forget about the maynor trade.

  • Fire CJ MILES!
    Jan. 15, 2010 12:48 p.m.

    I don't think CJ thinks much about his teammates when he gets the rock in his hands. He isn't the pure shooter that he thinks he is. I cringe every time Sloan puts him in and every too quick shot he puts up gives me a little heart attack. I feel much more comfortable with Brewer or Matthews starting in his place. Gaines blows my mind. So calm and cool. Fast and great D. Okur needs to put his hands in anybody's face that is shooting near him. That's the other thing that makes my heart flutter. He will stand next to a great shooter and watch them take a great shot with his hands at his side. The past two games have been a little better with Okur's defence but I'd like to see CJ get traded to some team that could use somebody like him more than we could. I think he should be the last resort on the floor!

  • rudy
    Jan. 15, 2010 12:41 p.m.

    Will DWill miss any games?

  • Re CL
    Jan. 15, 2010 12:36 p.m.

    Truth be known CL,Matthews is better than Miles.Period.Matthews plays within the team concept,Miles is all about Miles and making sure he shoots(not makes) every ball he touches,yes he`s lazy,winded,out of shape,that`s because he doesn`t care about helping the team,just wants his shooting % to look good in the paper every morning,you`re a smart guy and should really be able to see the truth

  • CL
    Jan. 15, 2010 12:13 p.m.

    EXPECTATIONS CJ vs Mathews : Miles makes a good point,that CJ's stats are better than Mathews but people (myself included) have higher expectations for CJ than for Mathews and therefore we are disappointed with CJ and his performance.
    Mathews does play tougher Defense, drives better to the hole and has scored pretty good.
    CJ looks soft, out of shape, winded and he doesn't hustle like Mathews.
    The game comes easy for CJ and therefore he plays soft, lazy and nonshalont alot of the time. That being said he can be very productive at times. It's those times that make me frustrated and say why can't you play like that all the time. At least put in the effort to play better all the time.
    CJ has alot of potential and even his good games are not near reaching his potential. I say that because I don't see him putting forth the effort, playing with top energy,guts,determination etc. If he will learn to play harder etc he may be able to reach his potential.
    The cosches must see CJ's potential in practice & realize what they have to play him ahead of Mathews.

  • gains
    Jan. 15, 2010 12:00 p.m.

    wow lets sign him to a 5 yr 50 mil contract.

  • CL
    Jan. 15, 2010 11:58 a.m.

    I was never that hign on Maynor anyway, he performed better than I thought he would but he wasn't anything great. Maynor isn't that good of a shooter(especially 3's), not a great athlete. He ran the team pretty good, calm,controlled but he wasn't worth 10 mil.
    Gaines looks to be a better athlete, quick, fast, strong,good defender, and a better shooter. Time will tell but he looks like a keeper.
    Re Sandy fan: I agree with some of what you say, Mathews is playing very solid, better D, but he doesn't have more potential and he has more b-ball experience than CJ. He is older than CJ and CJ sat the bench most of his first two years. Even the last two years CJ has gotten less than half a game minutes wise. I have been pretty hard on CJ as of late because he is so inconsistant but I still hope he will improve and reach his potential(which is higher than Mathews).

  • Miles
    Jan. 15, 2010 11:28 a.m.

    @Sandy Jazz Fan: Do you live in the State of Utah? Did you realize that Matthews is OLDER than CJ? Matthews actually played in college while Jerry froze out CJ on the bench after drafting him. Now that CJ is starting to receive consistent playing time and have a greater role on the team he is improving at a much fast rate. CJ's stats are better than Matthews in every catagory.

  • Sandy Jazz Fan
    Jan. 15, 2010 11:17 a.m.

    The two most exciting players on the Jazz now are two people who weren't even on the radar last summer when all of the talk was about Boozer, Milsap, et. al.: Gaines and Matthews. They're exciting because they play hard, don't give up, and bring incredible energy to the team, just like Ronnie Price does.

    Is Gaines as good as Maynor? Hard to say. But does it really matter? Even aside from his spectacular shot last night, he has played solidly and has been a great team player, mostly without the benefit of any practices. Does anyone really realize how hard that is? Maybe he'll be great and maybe he won't, but the chances of finding someone else even at this level is very small, and he deserves a chance to prove himself the rest of the year.

    As for CJ vs. Matthews, remember: this is CJ's fourth year in the NBA, and he was a starter all last year. Matthews is a rookie. CJ should be far better than Matthews, but he isn't. Matthews is more solid, better court sense, better team player, far better D, and much greater potential.

  • Re:the 13th man
    Jan. 15, 2010 10:55 a.m.

    "and the fact that it was done simply to save money made it even worse."
    It saved them like 10 million dollars. Would you give up that money if you were in that situation. I wouldn't. I was fine with trade regardless of Gaines' success.

  • The 13th man
    Jan. 15, 2010 10:21 a.m.

    I'm happy for Gaines and glad for the win, but to say that he is as good or better than Eric Maynor is just plain nonsense. Anyone making that claim simply knows nothing about basketball. Gaines is a marginal NBA player right now. Hopefully he will improve his game enough to stick in the league. Maynor is going to be a solid player for years to come, and maybe even a star. Letting him go was a mistake (remember Mo Williams?), and the fact that it was done simply to save money made it even worse.

  • Attention to todd
    Jan. 15, 2010 10:18 a.m.

    NOT separate issues. people were all over these boards when Maynor was traded saying O'Connor made one of his biggest mistakes and that it was one of the worst moves in Jazz history (not exaggerating, read the boards). well that "worst move ever" turned into O'Connor picking Gaines up. We got another point guard who is just as good as Maynor (and possibly better, the future will tell) for pennies, meanwhile saving the team over 10mil. So yea, everyone who was ready to hang O'Connor a couple of weeks ago, put that foot of yours in your mouth.

  • RE: Hold your horses
    Jan. 15, 2010 10:04 a.m.

    It wasn't just one big shot. He was 3/3 with 9 points. He played solid D, and did everything that was expected of him. And he has played well each time he has beeni n the game. If the Jazz don't give him a contract for the rest of the year, they are crazy. They would only have to pay him the rookie minimum, and that would be a bargain considering the exposure he gave the Jazz and those green uniforms last night.

  • Re: Rackman
    Jan. 15, 2010 9:58 a.m.

    I expected this kind of response from Jazz fans. You guys have been conditioned well by your ownership.

    I recognize talent just fine, thanks, and Gaines doesn't have it. Actually, let me clarify - he has talent compared to the other stiffs that make up the piddling, middle-of-the-road Jazz, but not compared to the rest of the NBA.

    I hope you're right - I really do - but I think you're looking at Ostertag part 2 here.

  • Rackman
    Jan. 15, 2010 9:46 a.m.

    Gaines should have earned a contract for the rest of the season with that shot. But it's his solid play since he's been here that is showing his worth. The kid's got talent.

    And hold your horses, if you can't recognize talent when it's playing in front of you, you need to take your words some place else. This guy can play, and the Jazz's scouting department saw it too.

  • PurplePeopleEater
    Jan. 15, 2010 9:45 a.m.

    Funny how two "nobodies" are key (and underpaid) Jazz players this year (Matthews and Gaines). By year's end, the Jazz should be in pretty good shape for a deep playoff run, sans key injuries then.

    Recent wins over really good teams shows that the Jazz can compete at a high level. They just now need to do it consistently, and on the road.

    Being the ONLY NBA team with wins over the Orlando Magic, Dallas Mavericks, Los Angeles Lakers, and San Antonio Spurs is very interesting. Shows potential.

  • re: plyxply
    Jan. 15, 2010 9:43 a.m.

    Why don't you just go back and stay a cheerleader for your Alta Hawks.

  • hold your horses
    Jan. 15, 2010 9:30 a.m.

    He has been a consistent player who takes care of the ball and consistently makes the mid range jumper. He has done everything expected with his opportunities.

  • re:plyxply
    Jan. 15, 2010 9:26 a.m.

    yata made a bigger shot last night than any of our starter have made all season.

    Against a team with the most wins in the league?

    National TV?

    A rookie?

    His first made NBA 3pt shot?

    He did great and as far as I'm concerned he deserved the scorers table with as big as shot as this franchise has seen in several years.

    re: attention

    You have to be sentimental with Todd. His ego is smarting about now since he undoubtedly was criticizing O'Conner about the Maynor trade and every other fantasy trade that O'Conner can't make (neither can any GM but that seems beside the point).

    Now Sundiata hits Todd between the eyes and makes O'Conners signing look brilliant.

    It must really stink to be Todd.

    He complains about everything and everyone and then day after day the RESULTS and FACTS discredit everything he says.

  • Hold your horses
    Jan. 15, 2010 9:03 a.m.

    One clutch shot does not make Gaines a good player. Unfortunately, that's historically been the attitude of Jazz ownership and fans. That's the reasoning that got us 12 years of Greg Ostertag.

    There's a reason Gaines was in the d-league....he's not good enough to play in the NBA. And that didn't change just because he hit a timely three.

    Jan. 15, 2010 8:58 a.m.

    On National TV? Too bad nobody saw it in most markets due to the late start time.

  • Holy Man
    Jan. 15, 2010 7:18 a.m.

    Sunday-aught-a-Gain you some extra blessings if you do the right things to keep it holy!

  • hmmm
    Jan. 15, 2010 6:20 a.m.

    Now O'conner doesn't seem like quite the idiot you all said he was. I've said all along that KOC knew what he was doing.. happy that Gaines proved it during the game!

    GO JAZZ!!!

  • odogtriever
    Jan. 15, 2010 5:36 a.m.

    Hey "plyxply", we need a little more of that emotion from our players. I want to see some heart and desire. Yata was just overcome with the emotion that he finally made it in the NBA.

  • todd to attention
    Jan. 15, 2010 2:01 a.m.

    separate issues, what a silly statement

  • plyxply
    Jan. 15, 2010 1:13 a.m.

    stay off the table, now we can say please act like you've done it before. Nice shot by the way, gnite.

  • Attention:
    Jan. 15, 2010 12:31 a.m.

    To everyone who cried bloody murder when the Jazz traded Mayor: You may now proceed to insert your foot into your mouth. Thank you.

  • gains-a-win
    Jan. 15, 2010 12:27 a.m.

    what a game tonight. best one i have seen in a lot of years. i was a nervous wreck when gains made that killer shot. I could not believe my eyes when it dropped in. it was great!

  • Sundy Gaines and K. Korver
    Jan. 15, 2010 12:10 a.m.

    Wont it for the Jazz.
    Kyle with an unbelievable shot behind the board to bring the Jazz within 2 and Sundy's winning 3!

    Glad to see Sundy beat LeBron
    This kid is a keeper for the rest of the season.

  • Thank you O'Connor
    Jan. 15, 2010 12:06 a.m.

    Gaines was the savior tonight!!!!! I was unsure of this guy when Kevin brought him in but he just secured his place in Jazz lore and he needs to stay until the end of the season. SWEET GAME

  • stevo
    Jan. 14, 2010 11:59 p.m.

    What a way to end the game! Played pretty decent throughout - but to make the game winning 3 pointer while on a 10 day contract?! Incredible!

  • Sundy Gaines to the Rescue !
    Jan. 14, 2010 11:57 p.m.

    An unlikely hero in Jazz victory against Cleveland Lebrons er, cavaliers.
    What a rollercoaster it was !

  • todd from santa ana
    Jan. 14, 2010 11:43 p.m.

    Gaines unbelievable heart, you are the kind of young man that will being pride back to these colors

    Bless you son