TO : JJ , 12:51 PM, 1/6/10 . Your remark that prehistoric rock art is of the
same value as today'sgrafitti shows your lack of knowledge about Native
American petroglyphs or petroglyphs . The images in Nine Mile Canyon are
related to spiritual values and beliefs . They were probably created by tribal
spiritual leaders to protect and perpetuate a peoples lifestyles and existance .
Unlike todays "spray paintings" , the rock art is just that - an ancient
form of art - not the work of vandals like those sad youths who paint their gang
symbols on other people's property !
Utahns will destroy anything for a buck.
If you haven't been to Nine Mile Canyon, you have no idea how fascinating the
rock art is. So are the drills on the hills near Myton. Much rock
art near the road is already caked with dust. The vibration from the large tucks
alone that ply that road all day land all year can't be doing the surrounding
rock any good. Vandals have also left their mark on much of the
ancient art. While the drilling should continue in controlled areas,
paving and national park or monument status along the canyons would provide more
protection from drilling damage and vandals, while opening the history to more
people, which would garner more public support for protecting this amazing area.
well i think it should be open for drilling because we have one of the richest
oil field areas in the U.S. and this community is centered around the oil field
u take that away here and we r skrewed economically speaking
Your self-righteousness is superceded only by your ignorance. I could pick at
literally every behavior of yours you think is better, but I'll just mention
one. Motorized recreation doesn't contribute SQUAT to natures carbon footprint.
It doesn't add up to a fraction of a percent of those contributions by traffic
and industry. Congrats on your fuel efficient car, but by your narrow logic, you
should be riding a bike. Think globally, not locally.
The gas company said they were going to protect it anyway. What is all the fuss
about? I don't see how the rock art would have disappeared just because somebody
is drilling for natural gas. The beautiful things in the world don't disappear
just because we drill for gas and oil.Having said that, sorry, but I
care more about natural gas at this point than any damage that might be caused
to rock art by dust and vibrations.I'm not a big fan of excessive
consumerism either, and I do believe in being good stewards of the environment
and preserving historical artifacts, but this type bickering every time somebody
wants to dig up a resource is precisely why energy prices are rising and we
continue to be dependant on other places for energy resources. I don't think
wanting a heated home and a car to get to and from work every day is excessive
You didn't think enough to hide your self-righteousness or develop an argument
as to why your consumer habits are any better than those of others.In reality, your ridiculous habits don't help anything. It's continual
innovations in cleaner, more efficient technology that make the difference and
make America more prosperous at the same time. Members of the world's poorest
countries consume a lot less resources per capita than you, but their countries
are a lot dirtier than the U.S. Why? Because they don't leverage modern
technology like we do in their personal or collective lives. The
bottom line is, you're not helping anything by wearing sweaters (a la Jimmy
Carter) or keeping your tires inflated. America gets cleaner and stronger
through massive innovations spurned by consumerism. Let them leverage that
technology in Nine Mile Canyon!
I have been to Nine Mile for years. I can tell from almost all the comments made
here, by gas co. sympathizers, that you have never been in that canyon, esp.
before the company came there. But I was there before they came. Forever
altering the beauty of our country justified by our lust for energy is old news
and old minded. I would like to see all drilling stop in all the USA and world.
To do that we need to start thinking of photons, neutrons, etc. and get away
from the old ways of drill, burn and then breath the filthy air that decreases
our health. I'm not angry and Old Oil and Gas, I'm angry at old minded people
and governments that continue live their lives as generations have, exploiting
rather than moving forward with a better plan for our children. I think energy
independence is possible without land exploitation! Kennecott; what a perfect
example of poor land managment; it is ugly and who will clean it up? Is this
what we want to leave for our children? There must be a better way, lets find
About 20 miles S of Moab on 191 there are what look like extremely wide dirt
roads, but what they actually are, are scars left behind by oil exploration, I'm
guessing about 20 years ago. This might seem insignificant but you add those
giant scars up and it starts to make a big environmental impact. You can find
these scars all over Moab, but they are generally not in places tourists travel.
Teapot Rock by vernal, which was recently leveled by oil companies,
is another example of how much oil companies care about Utah's beautiful places.
This seems to be an appeasement, I think that the gas interests will ignore the
agreement and do wnat they want, with the agreement preventing more lawsuits.
Please give us some clarification on the destruction tht oil companies have made
around Moab. Please!!! As a regular visitor to the Moab area, I have not seen
this sickening destruction that you mention. I have seen a lot of development
by urban growth in Moab as the "Greenies" flock to the area to stake thier piece
If you really believe that allowing all the beautiful things in this world to
disappear would have no effect on your quality of life, then get rid of your
screen saver, set your internet browser to not show any images, and throw out
every decoration you have in your cubicle and house.Stop watering
your lawn, stop listening to music, stop watching TV, and never go on a vacation
again. Think of all the interesting places you've been and imagine
if all those were lost. Allowing things like rock art to disappear
does change the world and it does affect you directly, you are just to ignorant
to see it. Protecting ancient art and natural wonders are more
important to humanities future than building widgets or saving a few pennies on
Just a thought. Yesteryears "grafetti is today's rock art. Today's spray
painted 'messages' would be tomorrow's.......? Will people 200 years from now
fight to preserve our sidewalks, homes, spray painted messages?
This agreement makes me uneasy. I've seen the sickening destruction oil
companies have made around the Moab area, but I also understand that Utah is a
mining state and occasionally compromises need to be made on both sides. I just
hope they got it right this time, because a mistake here could cause irreparable
The 10:48 first posted makes a point, although a little unreasonable. I don't
think we have to live in caves to call ourselves "greenies". I have a computer,
a car, and a variety of other things that consume petroleum either to operate or
manufacture.However, I do not follow the mindless consumerism that
so many Americans do. I have a computer, but don't feel a need to upgrade every
other year just because something is newer or better. I do not have an iPhone,
a Blackberry, an iPod, or any of these other techno "must haves". I drive a
car, but it is fuel efficient and I do check my tire pressure regularly. I am
content to rent DVDs rather than buy them. I keep my furnace at 65 day, 60
night. And I absolutely did not buy a ZuZu hamster for Christmas.The point is that we all make choices in how we consume, and no choice is
inconsequential. Monster trucks, motorized recreation, and mindless consumerism
are bad choices.Hurray for Nine Mile Canyon. If you have not seen
the petroglyphs, you really should.
Who needs to work just enjoy the beauty of nature while you starve to death.
Do you personally benefit from the oil and gas companies' work? Obviously you
benefit from them to some degree (the computer you used to type your ridiculous
rant is made of petroleum), so you are a hypocrite! When you and all the other
greenies shun all fossil fuel-derived products and live like ancient
civilizations in every sense, I will at least take your rants seriously.
I'm happy to see that they came to a consensus but disturbed by what I perceive
as an unbalanced value being given to protected areas like this. Like the
poster at 9:29 said "rock art is cool stuff". I agree. I spent my childhood
hiking the canyons of Southern Utah and do the same now with my children. It
was always a special destination when petroglyphs were involved. What is the
true cost to the consumer when measures like these are taken? Is it worth it to
the majority of Utahn's when we look at it that way. Many projects that could
greatly benefit Utah and the nation aren't even considered because of the
restriction, conditions, etc... that basically make a project unfeasible. Not
because we don't have the resources but because we artificially devalue certain
types of "treasures". My company had a project in Richmond California as
part of a group doing an emissions upgrade for a refinery. A group found a
miscalculation in the impact statement based upon future global warming.
Chevron is out $500,000,000.00 and 6,000 employees laid off the next week!
Rock art is cool stuff, but if it was lost, how does that change the world? I've
never seen this art, and probably never will, so if an earthquake leveled the
whole place, it doesn't affect me in the least. I think archeologists and
environmentalists who make it their life's work to protect some spot on the
earth, need to go get real jobs. STill, glad they all came to an agreement.
I think this is a great example of groups with opposing views and goals can work
together. Great job!
I'll take you up on that prediction. I don't see how dust will
damage rock art. If anything, it will protect it from the sun. Also, I doubt
they will be drilling on the side of a bluff where the art is. If I were to
drill down thousands of feet, I wouldn't start an extra hundred feet higher on a
bluff. So, I hope those rich oil and gas tycoons make billions. The
more they make, the less the middle east makes, and we all benefit from that.
The road should still be paved from Wellington to Myton and the canyon itself
set aside as a national park.
Congratulations to the members of the Nine Mile Canyon Coalition for sticking
with it. This area deserves the added protection.
make a prediction. There will be irreparable harm to the cultural treasures by
something: dust, pounding, etc. There will be hand wringing, and then the oil
and gas industry will get richer. The execs of the companies will issue a
statement of denial... from the Bahamas or Bermuda.I hate to say it:
but you can see that train coming.