Consensus reached on drilling, protecting Nine Mile Canyon's ancient rock art

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  • Slikrok593
    Jan. 7, 2010 1:26 p.m.

    TO : JJ , 12:51 PM, 1/6/10 . Your remark that prehistoric rock art is of the same value as today's
    grafitti shows your lack of knowledge about Native American petroglyphs or petroglyphs . The images in Nine Mile Canyon are related to spiritual values and beliefs . They were probably created by tribal spiritual leaders to protect and perpetuate a peoples lifestyles and existance . Unlike todays
    "spray paintings" , the rock art is just that - an ancient form of art - not the work of vandals like those sad youths who paint their gang symbols on other people's property !

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 6, 2010 9:10 p.m.

    Utahns will destroy anything for a buck.

  • Great Compromise
    Jan. 6, 2010 4:42 p.m.

    If you haven't been to Nine Mile Canyon, you have no idea how fascinating the rock art is. So are the drills on the hills near Myton.

    Much rock art near the road is already caked with dust. The vibration from the large tucks alone that ply that road all day land all year can't be doing the surrounding rock any good.

    Vandals have also left their mark on much of the ancient art.

    While the drilling should continue in controlled areas, paving and national park or monument status along the canyons would provide more protection from drilling damage and vandals, while opening the history to more people, which would garner more public support for protecting this amazing area.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 6, 2010 4:40 p.m.

    well i think it should be open for drilling because we have one of the richest oil field areas in the U.S. and this community is centered around the oil field u take that away here and we r skrewed economically speaking

  • J DUB
    Jan. 6, 2010 4:26 p.m.

    Your self-righteousness is superceded only by your ignorance. I could pick at literally every behavior of yours you think is better, but I'll just mention one. Motorized recreation doesn't contribute SQUAT to natures carbon footprint. It doesn't add up to a fraction of a percent of those contributions by traffic and industry. Congrats on your fuel efficient car, but by your narrow logic, you should be riding a bike. Think globally, not locally.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 6, 2010 3:03 p.m.

    The gas company said they were going to protect it anyway. What is all the fuss about? I don't see how the rock art would have disappeared just because somebody is drilling for natural gas. The beautiful things in the world don't disappear just because we drill for gas and oil.

    Having said that, sorry, but I care more about natural gas at this point than any damage that might be caused to rock art by dust and vibrations.

    I'm not a big fan of excessive consumerism either, and I do believe in being good stewards of the environment and preserving historical artifacts, but this type bickering every time somebody wants to dig up a resource is precisely why energy prices are rising and we continue to be dependant on other places for energy resources. I don't think wanting a heated home and a car to get to and from work every day is excessive consumerism.

  • re: I think
    Jan. 6, 2010 2:41 p.m.

    You didn't think enough to hide your self-righteousness or develop an argument as to why your consumer habits are any better than those of others.

    In reality, your ridiculous habits don't help anything. It's continual innovations in cleaner, more efficient technology that make the difference and make America more prosperous at the same time. Members of the world's poorest countries consume a lot less resources per capita than you, but their countries are a lot dirtier than the U.S. Why? Because they don't leverage modern technology like we do in their personal or collective lives.

    The bottom line is, you're not helping anything by wearing sweaters (a la Jimmy Carter) or keeping your tires inflated. America gets cleaner and stronger through massive innovations spurned by consumerism. Let them leverage that technology in Nine Mile Canyon!

  • GOP vs. Dems?
    Jan. 6, 2010 2:36 p.m.

    I have been to Nine Mile for years. I can tell from almost all the comments made here, by gas co. sympathizers, that you have never been in that canyon, esp. before the company came there. But I was there before they came. Forever altering the beauty of our country justified by our lust for energy is old news and old minded. I would like to see all drilling stop in all the USA and world. To do that we need to start thinking of photons, neutrons, etc. and get away from the old ways of drill, burn and then breath the filthy air that decreases our health. I'm not angry and Old Oil and Gas, I'm angry at old minded people and governments that continue live their lives as generations have, exploiting rather than moving forward with a better plan for our children. I think energy independence is possible without land exploitation! Kennecott; what a perfect example of poor land managment; it is ugly and who will clean it up? Is this what we want to leave for our children? There must be a better way, lets find it!!!!

  • Re: Re: hope for the best
    Jan. 6, 2010 2:23 p.m.

    About 20 miles S of Moab on 191 there are what look like extremely wide dirt roads, but what they actually are, are scars left behind by oil exploration, I'm guessing about 20 years ago. This might seem insignificant but you add those giant scars up and it starts to make a big environmental impact. You can find these scars all over Moab, but they are generally not in places tourists travel.

    Teapot Rock by vernal, which was recently leveled by oil companies, is another example of how much oil companies care about Utah's beautiful places.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 6, 2010 2:14 p.m.

    This seems to be an appeasement, I think that the gas interests will ignore the agreement and do wnat they want, with the agreement preventing more lawsuits.

  • Re: hope for the best
    Jan. 6, 2010 1:42 p.m.

    Please give us some clarification on the destruction tht oil companies have made around Moab. Please!!! As a regular visitor to the Moab area, I have not seen this sickening destruction that you mention. I have seen a lot of development by urban growth in Moab as the "Greenies" flock to the area to stake thier piece of nature.

  • To 9:29
    Jan. 6, 2010 1:38 p.m.

    If you really believe that allowing all the beautiful things in this world to disappear would have no effect on your quality of life, then get rid of your screen saver, set your internet browser to not show any images, and throw out every decoration you have in your cubicle and house.

    Stop watering your lawn, stop listening to music, stop watching TV, and never go on a vacation again.

    Think of all the interesting places you've been and imagine if all those were lost.

    Allowing things like rock art to disappear does change the world and it does affect you directly, you are just to ignorant to see it.

    Protecting ancient art and natural wonders are more important to humanities future than building widgets or saving a few pennies on gas.

  • JJ
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:51 p.m.

    Just a thought. Yesteryears "grafetti is today's rock art. Today's spray painted 'messages' would be tomorrow's.......? Will people 200 years from now fight to preserve our sidewalks, homes, spray painted messages?

  • hope for the best
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:43 p.m.

    This agreement makes me uneasy. I've seen the sickening destruction oil companies have made around the Moab area, but I also understand that Utah is a mining state and occasionally compromises need to be made on both sides. I just hope they got it right this time, because a mistake here could cause irreparable harm.

  • I think
    Jan. 6, 2010 11:51 a.m.

    The 10:48 first posted makes a point, although a little unreasonable. I don't think we have to live in caves to call ourselves "greenies". I have a computer, a car, and a variety of other things that consume petroleum either to operate or manufacture.

    However, I do not follow the mindless consumerism that so many Americans do. I have a computer, but don't feel a need to upgrade every other year just because something is newer or better. I do not have an iPhone, a Blackberry, an iPod, or any of these other techno "must haves". I drive a car, but it is fuel efficient and I do check my tire pressure regularly. I am content to rent DVDs rather than buy them. I keep my furnace at 65 day, 60 night. And I absolutely did not buy a ZuZu hamster for Christmas.

    The point is that we all make choices in how we consume, and no choice is inconsequential. Monster trucks, motorized recreation, and mindless consumerism are bad choices.

    Hurray for Nine Mile Canyon. If you have not seen the petroglyphs, you really should.

  • Cut all Jobs
    Jan. 6, 2010 10:48 a.m.

    Who needs to work just enjoy the beauty of nature while you starve to death.

  • re: oh let me
    Jan. 6, 2010 10:48 a.m.

    Do you personally benefit from the oil and gas companies' work? Obviously you benefit from them to some degree (the computer you used to type your ridiculous rant is made of petroleum), so you are a hypocrite! When you and all the other greenies shun all fossil fuel-derived products and live like ancient civilizations in every sense, I will at least take your rants seriously.

  • Southern Utahn
    Jan. 6, 2010 10:15 a.m.

    I'm happy to see that they came to a consensus but disturbed by what I perceive as an unbalanced value being given to protected areas like this. Like the poster at 9:29 said "rock art is cool stuff". I agree. I spent my childhood hiking the canyons of Southern Utah and do the same now with my children. It was always a special destination when petroglyphs were involved. What is the true cost to the consumer when measures like these are taken? Is it worth it to the majority of Utahn's when we look at it that way. Many projects that could greatly benefit Utah and the nation aren't even considered because of the restriction, conditions, etc... that basically make a project unfeasible. Not because we don't have the resources but because we artificially devalue certain types of "treasures".
    My company had a project in Richmond California as part of a group doing an emissions upgrade for a refinery. A group found a miscalculation in the impact statement based upon future global warming. Chevron is out $500,000,000.00 and 6,000 employees laid off the next week! Common sense?

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 6, 2010 9:29 a.m.

    Rock art is cool stuff, but if it was lost, how does that change the world? I've never seen this art, and probably never will, so if an earthquake leveled the whole place, it doesn't affect me in the least. I think archeologists and environmentalists who make it their life's work to protect some spot on the earth, need to go get real jobs. STill, glad they all came to an agreement.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 6, 2010 9:10 a.m.

    I think this is a great example of groups with opposing views and goals can work together. Great job!

  • re: oh let me
    Jan. 6, 2010 8:09 a.m.

    I'll take you up on that prediction.

    I don't see how dust will damage rock art. If anything, it will protect it from the sun. Also, I doubt they will be drilling on the side of a bluff where the art is. If I were to drill down thousands of feet, I wouldn't start an extra hundred feet higher on a bluff.

    So, I hope those rich oil and gas tycoons make billions. The more they make, the less the middle east makes, and we all benefit from that.

  • Anon
    Jan. 6, 2010 7:52 a.m.

    The road should still be paved from Wellington to Myton and the canyon itself set aside as a national park.

  • Geezer
    Jan. 6, 2010 7:25 a.m.

    Congratulations to the members of the Nine Mile Canyon Coalition for sticking with it. This area deserves the added protection.

  • oh let me
    Jan. 6, 2010 6:17 a.m.

    make a prediction. There will be irreparable harm to the cultural treasures by something: dust, pounding, etc. There will be hand wringing, and then the oil and gas industry will get richer. The execs of the companies will issue a statement of denial... from the Bahamas or Bermuda.

    I hate to say it: but you can see that train coming.