Utah Jazz unhappy with record

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  • the Mailman to todd
    Dec. 26, 2009 8:51 p.m.

    You can't reason with unreasonable people so forget about those on here that resort to those tactics when they're views are challenged. Trust me most people on here agree that change is needed.

    Also i would say to have patience. We have waited so long another failed year should be easy for us to accept. Like you i just hope the change comes before D Will decides to go to club that is serious about winning, cos this coach certainly aint.

    Sloan is the definition of mediocre.

  • todd to the mailman
    Dec. 26, 2009 6:24 a.m.

    problem is a win tonight over horrible Philly and the following will happen as Jim Nabors would say "guaranteed"

    1) "all of you can go back under the rug again, Jerry is a Hall of Fame Coach will know more than any of you can forget the game"

    2) "typical Jazz Fans no one on here complaining when they win, terrible fans, go jazz etc etc"

    That is the problem-Mailman, "winning" just enough so the "sloanaholics" stay around.

    It will buy "jer" 3 days until we go to Minny again and OKIE CIty.

    We should win those 2 but will we?


  • the Mailman
    Dec. 26, 2009 12:04 a.m.

    Another day, another puzzling Jazz display with meaningless quotes from coach Sloan about why we lost.

    I stopped hoping this team would succeed long ago and started hoping for a nice long losing streak - the more at home the better - that would force a change from the top. How long have we known that Okur dont get it done at center, that our system has become all too predictable and falls to bits when we travel?

    We all know it, but while they still win at home and the fans keep coming that will be just fine with Mr Miller cos hey, it all really is just about the bottom line.

    Only chance this team has of success is if the fans stop showing up until we get a new coach, or if we stink so bad that their hand is forced. Personally i hope for both so they have absolutely no choice.

    It's either that, or Sloan walks..and that aint gonna happen.

  • todd from santa ana
    Dec. 25, 2009 10:48 p.m.

    Complain about SLoan to T.Warner with LHM she will forward to Greg...

    That is where you go...

  • Idjazz12
    Dec. 25, 2009 9:39 p.m.

    The one thing that stuck out on this article is when Sloan said something to the fact about Okur then team stating "He's got to get himself ready to go," the Jazz coach said. "I mean, I don't know what these guys do to take care of themselves and get ready to play."

    I don't even know what to say to a comment like that. Sounds like to me he is not even involved with this team until game time.

  • This Organization
    Dec. 25, 2009 9:10 p.m.

    Has gone down hill for the last three years. They even stuck Hot Rod up in the rafters before replacing him with Locke. Then there is the great Jerry Sloan, Mr. powerful, not accountable to no one. The fans cannot even stand to watch Sloans coaching. It frustates them to see Okur and Boozer not defending and in the game together at the same time. While Fesenko and Koufos sit. Help Millers! Do something!! Get us a coach!! Sloan is running everything into the ground!!

  • I just watched CLE take
    Dec. 25, 2009 6:27 p.m.

    LAL apart in LA. It was nice to watch. CLE has some weaknesses but at least they made moves and tried to win. CLE is not that big of a market. But they are not afraid to make changes.

  • Monty Montana
    Dec. 25, 2009 5:27 p.m.

    The players always take the attitude that there is always another game, or there is always tomorrow! Wrong attitude! Williams needs to kick some butt and shake up the locker room. Williams wants to be an all star he needs to start acting like one. Boozer wants a raise, he needs to start earning the money he is making currently. As far as the rest of them they need to quit waiting for Williams and Boozer to do everything and help out.

    Maynor got the best deal by getting traded! At least he will be playing for a team that wants to win!

  • There are 2 Euro PGs
    Dec. 25, 2009 5:05 p.m.

    the Jazz should go after.

    The first is THEODOROS PAPALOUKAS. He is 6'7", can run a team, defend and shoot. He could play wing if necessary.

    The second is DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS. He is 6'5", is the Euro league defensive player of the year for the 3rd time, is a good passer, and can shoot 3s.

    Both of these players do everything a PG is supposed to plus that defend and shoot.

    They would be ideal to play at PG with DWill at the SG.

    Since they are Euros maybe the Jazz can afford them. They have substantial experience.

  • Jerry Sloan has many strengths
    Dec. 25, 2009 4:05 p.m.

    but he seems so incapable of making changes. I am not talking about short run game changes. He is not a good game management coach. I am talking about long term strategic changes.

    For years he has known he needed to replace Fish. He knew that playing 2 PGs together made a big difference and kept the inside game running. It also kept the defense from jumping DWill and disrupting the offense.

    For years he has known he needed more outside shooting. AK took lessons. Sloan tried to develop CJ and Brewer. We still do not have enough or consistent shooting from the wings.

    For years he knew Okur and Boozer would never be good defenders. And that they could not match up with LA. He developed Millsap (also to short).

    For years we got talk about better defense.

    Where are the corrective adjustments?

    Why can't Sloan actually make the changes that would fix the problems instead of perpetuate them?

    What is it about this organization that paralyzes it into doing the same thing over and over pretending they are going to get better results?

    Just common ordinary fans have more sense than that.

  • How about getting
    Dec. 25, 2009 3:54 p.m.

    Gerald Wallace?

  • It is really simple
    Dec. 25, 2009 3:52 p.m.

    either fix the problems by getting

    1. a big combo guard who can play defense and shot to play beside DWill like Fish did.

    2. Get wings who can shoot enough to open up the inside so the system works

    3. Get some plays that will break the zone/inside pack


    4. get a coach who will fix the problems

    We want a winner. We are tired of losing games that should be won. We are tired of no one in the Jazz organization listening or doing anything to fix the problems.

    You know the problems. You know how to fix them.

    Your attendance will go up if you start winning.

    Be proactive instead of afraid to make any progress.

    3 years of going backwards is more than enough.

    Do something.

  • todd from santa ana
    Dec. 25, 2009 1:19 p.m.

    I would take a chance on Chandler. He is 7'1 and when healthy long arms, good athletic and a thorn. I have seen him in the past destroy the Lakers at Staples and almost single handledly with David West win there with New Orleans.

    Okur, would be good for Lawrence Brown. Charlotte after watching them last week, are getting closer but not still a playoff type team.

    Okur gives that team a lot more punch, and benefits guys like Gerald Wallace and Ray Felton, Jackson can penetrate more often.

    I feel a package of Okur for Chandler has to be tried. No I did not study salaery ramifications. But both make a ton, so if you have throw in another body to make it equal, throw in Koustos if you have to or Price plus free cheese for a year.

  • todd from santa ana
    Dec. 25, 2009 1:11 p.m.

    Nate Robinson is spectacular offensively. He is also 5 foot 9 with 3 pairs of shoes on. How is David Lee better than Boozer, he certainly does not appear to be quite as tall, what 6'8?

    That is no upgrade and guess what? D' ANtoni would not go for that, everyone Loves David Lee in New York.

    I am seeing the obvious more and more.

    Objectively, there is one major disease on this team. His name is Okur.

    His season has stunk. His defense worse. They should attempt to package him in a deal. Tyson Chandler has been hurt I know but been a disappointment in Charlotte. Perhaps LArry Brown would take Okur back.

    Tyson, mentally has not been the same since last years aborted trade. I am good at reading character, and feel Tyson has not recovered and not been the same player. He does not seem comfortable in Charlotte in the couple games I saw..

    Okur and Boozer together defensively, cannot survive. Fes and Chandler or another BIg guy with some skill could rotate at center.

    Now your team becomes better, notwithstanding other moves.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 25, 2009 1:06 p.m.

    I say we trade okur for free hot dogs all year.....okur is worthless it's a sad thing when your center shoots more three pointers than anyone else on the team all he gets paid to do is shoot 3's he dont post he dont rebound he dont play defense he is a waste of money

  • todd to rattler
    Dec. 25, 2009 1:01 p.m.

    I then do not have your credentials. The problem his detractors have issue with Rattler, are much the same we all discuss. Flexibility in changing defenses, taking players who are not performing. Calling proper time outs. Mix and Match players depending on game status, who ot for example.

    The coach is responsible for his team and how they prepare and mind set which leads to court execution.

    Merry Xmas to you also. Fine I respect your credentials, if i had known I would not have been so sarcastic to you.

  • Now After The Booze Trade
    Dec. 25, 2009 12:00 p.m.

    Send Kirilenko Koufus, and Fess to Det for Prince, Oberto, and Maxiell. Now we have "toughness" and power.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 25, 2009 11:52 a.m.

    They should be unhappy. Want to be great? Develop a killer instinct in all your games, especially ones you should win (like Minnesota). Otherwise, you are just playing and being so-so. Just collecting your big paychecks. Just phoning it in.

  • Boozer Outa Here
    Dec. 25, 2009 11:46 a.m.

    Trade the Booze to the Knicks for Nate Robinson and David Lee PLEASE! Nate could play with D-Will , Nate at PG D-Will at the 2 just like we have before with Maynor and Price. If the Knicks don't want Booze see if Memo would tickle their fancy!

  • JazzHater72
    Dec. 25, 2009 11:42 a.m.

    How could any jazz fan be surprised?.... the jazz are just natural born losers, that is all they are so fans should not be surprised!... if anything they should be used to it., oh and lose more so maybe they can get a coach that can win a championship and stop playing 80's basketball.

  • Lo Porto
    Dec. 25, 2009 10:59 a.m.

    Time for AK to go. As soon as Raja Bell can be traded in GS, let's trade AK to GS for Claxton, Bell, and Turiaf. I'm tired of seeing AK's salary and lackluster play pull this team down.

    The same can be said for Okur. We could ship him off with Korver to NO for Okafor and change the entire mindset of the team.

    A Boozer and Okafor combo might actually win games the way that Sloan wants to win them. With system, defense and hustle.

  • Everybody makes mistakes
    Dec. 25, 2009 10:08 a.m.

    Most people realize their mistakes and then take corrective action.

    Sloan has known for years exactly what was wrong with this team and how to fix it. Due to his stuborness and pride he has refused to make the changes that need to be made.

    Sloan and LHM ran this team. Now Sloan runs this team.

    He knew he needed to replace Fish with a good combo guard. He got bad back PGs. That may have been LHM trying to save money.

    He knew he needed more shooting from the wings. He got Korver. That was good but he knew he needed more and that there would be injuries.

    He knew Okur and Boozer would never be great defenders and did not match up with LA. He refused to even think about changing them.

    He knew last year DEN and other teams knew how to disrupt his offense. He has made no adjustments to fix that.

    If you know how to fix problems and refuse, you are choosing to lose games because you insist on doing it your way.

    The fans and the Miller family deserve better. Fix the problems or fire Sloan.

  • If
    Dec. 25, 2009 9:19 a.m.

    Sloan's 22 years of experience does not produce wins, what good is it? If Sloan's system does not work, what good is that?

    Sloan had the same problems before and then traded for Korver. Korver helped but he was not a good defender (does try) and not enough.

    Sloan has known what is wrong with this team and how to fix it for years but he refuses. He needs wings who can shoot (more than Korver).

    He needs a better PF and C than Boozer/Okur. He needs a combo guard who can play WITH DWill like Fish did.

    Instead of fixing the problems he has insisted on continuity.

    It is past time to make the changes that have to be made.

    Sloan, his system and every player on this team are replaceable. The Jazz will be no worse off if any intelligence is used in making the changes.

    There are other coaches, systems and players who will win more games.

    The Millers need to break the cord with Sloan. He and his unwillingness to change are the problem not the solution.

    Before you ruin the franchise with continuity make some rational changes (nothing to lose).

  • Jazz not alone
    Dec. 25, 2009 9:07 a.m.

    The fans aren't happy either. Even if we are underachieving slackers, we want our team to play up to its potential.

    Merry Christmas!

  • rattler
    Dec. 25, 2009 7:16 a.m.

    Merry Christmas.

  • rattler
    Dec. 25, 2009 7:10 a.m.


    A coach will simply say nothing specific about another coach and team if he doesn't admire and/or respect that team. I like the Jazz team concept and style, when they execute it properly. My experience tells me that an unselfish team-oriented style of play produces success. The difficult job as a coach, especially in the NBA, is to reign in all the big egos and convince the individuals to play that way. We've seen what happens to Jazz players who don't "buy in" to the system. I'm just saying that as someone who has played the game for a long time (38 years) and has seen success (70+ varsity HS games started, one State Championship),

  • old timer
    Dec. 25, 2009 6:32 a.m.

    How about a little HARD "D" for a change, Stop turning your back and side step someone. The new Jazz defence????? same thing different name. Give me the ball and I will take the shot.

  • PurplePeopleEater
    Dec. 25, 2009 2:34 a.m.

    Huh? Why would they be HAPPY about it?

    We'll see just how unhappy they are over the next few games when they show us that they care more about being successful in this game than the millions they're banking.

    When you get paid as much as pro athletes do, there's no excuse for not being INTO the game they play.

    Except that they're minds are on the things they buy with it.

    D-Will's still learning how to lead a team, it seems.

  • em
    Dec. 25, 2009 1:15 a.m.

    The jazz really need a change! All the other teams in the league know how to beat this team. It is too predictable.If they do change coaches,(ha ha) they will no doubt choose an unproven former player.You would think they could get the best coach in the league knowing he can coach for years here.We could have beat Minnesota by changing things a little,like playing zone after a made basket, or utilizing a couple taller(Koufos,Fesenko) players in the middle to prevent easy layups.Maybe even try a box and one on the other teams 3 point shooter.How about an occasional full court press? I think I will just start watching the Celtics instead. Koufos and Fesenko could help a lot of teams instead of sitting on the bench gaining no experience even during a blowout. GO CELTICS!!!

  • worried
    Dec. 25, 2009 12:08 a.m.

    why do we still how bozo this is a waste of time watching him. Play when Milsap could be our starter and we could have traded for someone who can actually play D.

  • rvalens2
    Dec. 24, 2009 11:54 p.m.

    Me Three.

  • IVAN
    Dec. 24, 2009 11:39 p.m.

    How does a head coach at any level say. I DONT KNOW WHAT MY GUYS ARE DOING TO GET READY TO PLAY. Well coach there is a man that gets paid 5 million a year for what .I am so tired of hearing these arragant headstrong coaches never say I NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB.After all i have heard Popivch and Jackson say we need to change some things or I will have to help to help them understand and make some adjustments.By the way lets see what adjustments are made now the defenses are switching?
    It wouldnt hurt to screen your own man and have your teammate rub off of that. try it it does work if there switching. Well all will be well saturday when we are home again.And that short term memory is gone.Well there are fifty something games left to try diffrent rotations. And figure what might work.

  • This just in
    Dec. 24, 2009 11:08 p.m.

    Jazz unhappy with their record so far? Surprised? I'm not we are losing time and time again to teams that we shouldn't lose to. This team is really hard to get behind. I'm still going to be a fan but I refuse to be a die hard fan again until this group of over paid babies are gonna act like professionals. I'm so sick of the sam ol playesd out comments by Sloan and the players after they lose. It has been the same thing said time and time again. You'd think after saying the same things for about 3 years now they would try to do something to fix it. I'm done believeing in this team. Throw in the towel we can win with these primadonnas. Sloan you need to be the bigger man and walk away please. That would be a perfect Christmas present ,"Jerry Sloan retires today!!!"

  • todd to rattler
    Dec. 24, 2009 7:53 p.m.

    Hey Rattler! Since when other coaches "rattle" on other coaches.

    Hee hee hee hee

    They call you the Joker!!

    Merry XMas "sloanaholics"

  • rattler
    Dec. 24, 2009 5:41 p.m.

    That's a great endorsement for the Jazz system from the coach of the Heat. I've always loved the disciplined approach to the game. It's a team sport and when they are firing on all cylinders, it's beautiful to watch.

  • Hey Sloan
    Dec. 24, 2009 5:39 p.m.

    Your offense is unworkable whenever a good defensive team turns it up in the 3rd or 4th Q. The offense breaks down in TOs from paint packing and the players have no choice but to improvise outside shots since you do not have outside shooting plays (to speak of).

    Why don't you try using some of the plays from the triangle offense.

    1. That would force open the inside.
    2. It would isolate Boozer one on one inside.
    3. It would isolate DWill one on one outside and he can break down anyone.
    4. Fes could have a hey day in the low post.
    5. Okur could have a hey day in the high post.
    6. Mathews or CJ could run the PG as the triangle requires very little of the PG.
    7. If the triangle breaks down the ball ends back in DWill's hands and he can run something.

    You have nothing to lose. It has to work better than getting TOs and bad jump shots from your erratic system.

    A few plays from the triangle could fit nicely inside of your overall system and could solve a lot of problems.

    You might win?

  • rattler
    Dec. 24, 2009 5:34 p.m.

    Me, too.