To Madison: I've always stated that the true Church of Jesus Christ
is either the Catholic Church or the LDS Church. I know without any shadow of
doubt that what Joseph Smith saw and spoke about what happened in the Sacred
Grove happened without any deviation from his accounts. Whether they be written
by those who were present or by his own hand. Fact remains something
extraordinary happened in this grove of trees in New York. In the life time of
Joseph Smith he restored the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the Earth, translated by
the hand of God the Book of Mormon and had it printed on two continents, sent
missionaries to the four quarters of the earth and today this Church that began
with just 6 members is in excess of 13 million today. Sure some are less
active, just as about the same amount of Catholics are. It is not an assumption
that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only true Church.
I'm not being arrogant at all. I'm being truthful.
Is your question rhetorical?
Is that comment satirical?
Bill,Implicit within your comment is an arrogant assumption that
your Church, and ONLY your Church is "true". Consider that WE are planting seeds
of truth in YOU! Open your mind and study it out in your heart, and you will see
that the Christian tradition preserved by the One and Only Holy Catholic Church
is the source of any and all good feelings, righteous works, and knowledge about
Jesus Christ. Any "truths" you find in Mormonism were placed there as "seeds" by
God through the Catholic Church, and they will germinate when you recognize your
faith is derivative, secondary, and borrowed, not original in any way. God bless
you that the scales will fall from your eyes during this season of "Christ's
I've known people who feel something everytime they go into an LDS Chapel or
even a Catholic Cathedral. Some have no idea what that feeling is but they
enjoy it. That is something we all should take with us. The story of the first
vision is known throughout the world. Some believe it happened as is described
not only by Joseph Smith but also by those who have heard him tell it. All are
the same as it depends upon the audience. This is not apologitic but common
sense. I appreciate the respect we receive from those not of our faith and I
honestly believe that seeds are planted every day. Some florish and grow
instantly and some take years to florish. No matter, the time will come when
all knees shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ. There
are many righteous people of all faiths and religions. Let us as Latter Day
Saints respect and honor those not of our faith since each and every one of us
is a child of our Heavenly Father.
Maybe he believes in the 1832 (the First and only account written by JS himself)
instead of the official version published by the church and based on the
wentworth letter (1842...10 years later !)?How can you miss such important
details on such imprtant event? From angels only to Jesus only to The Father and
Jesus...Don't know, but the typical apologist explanation is not easy to
swallow, specially when we are talking about a vision of GOD and JESUS no
less!btw... was this a vision? or an aparition?
Thank you so much for your kind thoughts. I am NonMormon @ 8:36 and guess what?
I am Catholic. So your sentiments were especially appreciated. I would bet that
your work reflected the 110 per cent you gave. I wish in these very troubling
times that we could all learn to respect each other's beliefs and defend not
only our own Faith, but the Faith of others as well. May you and your family
have a joyous Christmas as we celebrate the birth of the one we both call Jesus
Christ the Saviour.
NonMormon,Thanks for your comment.I have known several
people who respect our beliefs, some who even come to church... But who have not
"joined" the church.On my mission in Australia, I baptised a woman
who had attended church for over ten years, and only joined when her husband
left her...There are lots legitimate reasons people don't join the
church when *we* think they should... I think we should all learn a
lesson from this article... At one point in my professional career, I (a Mormon)
was hired by Catholics to do construction on a Catholic church.I
gave it 110%. If someone were to ask me, I would say that I appreciated the work
they were giving me and my family, and I respect the Catholic faith... Pretty
much the same response this guy gave... If someone asked me why I wasn't a
Catholic, I would give the same answer this guy gave as to why he is not
LDS...Great article, and thanks to DNews for the article, and
NonMormon for your insight...
This was such a beautiful article. To those of you who say they cannot
understand Mr. Parrott, may I try to help you out? I have loved the story of
Joseph Smith and the history of the LDS Church for over 30 years. I have never
considered, no would I ever, join your Faith. I, like Mr. Parrott, feel that
something that your people consdider miraculous happened in the Grove in 1820.
It is because YOU believe that we respect and take in the meaning of the Sacred
Grove. A lot of LDS are moved at the beauty of the Great Cathedrals of Europe
but not to the point of changing your beliefs. I feel that God sanctifies
places, be they Mormon, Catholic or any other place. Many have approached me to
be baptized. At one time it was annoying, now I just say "no thank you". Each
person brings from the Sacred Grove an individual experience, not a shared
experience that the Latter-day Saints have. Please don't confuse appreciation
and respect for some secret longing to convert. God Bless All.
If you visit the historical sites in Kirtland Ohio, you will understnd that the
Community Of Christ does not base their beliefs on historical events such as the
first vision,sacred grove,etc.What I see is that the events that took the church
from 1820 to the 1860's when the RLDS church was established are no longer
infallable doctrines of the COC. For me the COC gave up their belefs in the
restoration,the Prophet Joseph and all that he stood for.Little to none is ever
mentioned about Joseph in the COC.Even acceptence of the BOM is only an elective
in that church.
Volumes of what...? I'd love to read this.
I will probaply get a glimpse of the SG on the way to the spirit world, as i
lived across many oceans.But to those who has visited the grove, you are
so blessed, to those who continue to be light minded about it,..you will never
know.Hands up to the care taker who is doing a great job.
No, Kate, it speaks volumes about you for your comment. My father died knowing
the church was what it claimed, but he was never baptized. Don't speak volumes
about him or this man.
iteresting story ... i'd like to visit there someday
It's not really for us to ask why he is a member or not. That is completely up
to him. He definitely has a reverence for the place, perhaps more so than many
members who feel that they somehow own a piece of it and treat it like they
would there backyard. I lived near there for many years and loved going there
often. However, in reference to the trees, they are just trees. Sure some
where there during the vision, but can the trees really bare a witness? Are
those specific trees any different than the others, or just older? Rather than
try and take a piece of the tree, assuming it is somehow better or a piece of
history, we should take with us the feelings that inspire us there. Just my
I think it speaks volumes that this man never joined the Church.
I remember talking to the caretaker years ago (different person) and his
relating how frustrating it was to have members, wards and stakes try to
schedule picnics, ward events and even overnighters in the 'Grove', wondering
what part of 'Sacred' they didn't get
Kind of a fun place to work. I'm surprised he isn't a member.
I know this Grove is true.
RE: Jim 9:42 a.m. Yes, they are called the CoC now. Not that it
really matters. While you may believe they are "wrong", I was merely
pointing out that there are others who find inspiration in the Joseph Smith
narrative who may not be believers in the literal descent of God to the grove
(Mr. Parrot perhaps being one, the RLDS/CoC another).
I've been to the Grove a few times, and I'm glad to see a story about this man.
You do a great job, Bob!
Well, being that he was HIRED by the church to maintain that private property,
my guess would be that no, he's not trespassing.
RE: Gazelem 9:00am"The RLDS refer to it as the Grove
Experience...."It wouldn't be the first time that they were
wrong.Besides they are now the Community of Christ Church...I think
Regarding Mr. Parrot's non-baptized status and belief in the vision, he didn't
mention WHAT vision he thought had happened there. The RLDS refer to it as the
"grove experience" because while they are unsure of what occurred there (due to
the multiple conflicting accounts), it was obviously a transcendant experience
for a young Joseph Smith. The grove should move everyone that way, particularly
an itinerant forester! :)
Since this is private church property isn't he trespassing.
Great article, there is a powerful testimony in the sacred grove. I remember
standing there looking at the trees and thinking that they were witnesses of the
first vision. All things denote that Joseph saw and heard what he said he did in
the grove of trees called sacred. Looking up through the trees to the sky and
sunlight streaming through it is easy to visualize the Father and Son descending
to communicate with the boy Joseph.
There seems to be one glaring omission from the reporting in the article. The
caretaker says he believes the vision took place, that it took place at the
Grove, and that everything happened just as Joseph said it did. If that is the
case, why isn't this man LDS? Why didn't the writer ask him that question? I'd
like to know the answer. Wasn't the writer curious and didn't he/she think
readers would be too? I would think no less of the man one way or the other,
but it would be interesting to know why he believes but hasn't been baptized.
I am very pleased that Bob Parrott is caring for the sacred grove. I know he is
the right one for tht wonderful job. There's one thing for sure, he is right
about feeling the spirit there, and befuddles me that he is not LDS. May
Heavenly Father continue to protect the sacred grove and Bob Parrott.
Can I have his job when he is done?
What a beautiful article and beautiful man who takes such good care of the
Grove. Maybe a few Wards and or primary's will send him heartfelt thank you