the lds church is one of the largest relief agencies in the world. It just does
not do handouts. They do not help members unless they truly need it. Thats the
job of the people in your ward.
Probably too late to comment- But I was amazed to hear that the instruction
'Caring for the Poor and Needy' would have to be given.It's there in
the scriptures over and over again. Do I need to remind anyone where? Try Alma
34 for a start.The Saints cannot be Perfect without caring for the
Poor and Needy so I assumed that it was included in that part of the Three Fold
Mission of the Church
Is good. what, we needed to be told to do this?So we feed fat Americans
down on their luck? But we let our govts spend trillions building bombs to make
death showers in other countries and destroy millions of lives. confessions of
an economic hitman anyone. No, it needs a rethink from top to bottom. from
$300million dollar conference centres (where the tabernacle was sufficient) to
the malls, to the media stations, and book distributors need i go on about the
"corporation of....". top down. then maybe the membership might catch the vision
that they should have anyway.maybe lobby our govts to stop rorting the
system and bleeding us dry to save their banker mates, instead of giving them
doctorates and recognitiongreat start, and now think wider than poor white
Nobody has even seen the new Handbook yet. The scriiptures and the old
handbooks all taught to look after our neighbors. Some heed the commandments and
the rest of us need to improve.
Jesus din't run around handing out money.He actually went out and
DID something for them.Charity is the Pure love of Christ.Alms
is donating money.
Are you sure it helps the poor? I served a mission in Canada, a country that
enjoys a universal health care system. I knew a woman there in her 70s who had
gallbladder stones so painful she could hardly walk. When I met her, she was 3
months into a promised 6-month wait (turned out to be 8 months) to meet a
general physician, who would then place her on a specialist's waiting list. I
saw her shortly before I left for home, after she'd been waiting for just over a
year, and she still hadn't had them removed. They offered her earlier times if
she could pay in cash, but she was too poor. I, on the other hand, was able to
make same-day appointments for doctor visits. You wouldn't believe their
excitement when they learned I'd be paying in cash. If I believed socialized
health care would help the poor, I'd be all for it. But I don't.
Well, it's better that the church start focusing more on the poor, imho. I
think we could learn from the example of many other christian churches and not
only donate $, but fight for social policy in Washington that will help the
poor-- like universal health care. It's what Jesus would do.
10% is just a minimum, there is no maximum.I believe that is
all we will ever be asked to pay.
How would you feel,or would you be willing to obey if you were asked for
an additional 10% to care for the "poor and the needy" to get and hold a Temple
Recommend?Most members can't even do that today.And the
hypocrasy is that these are the same ones who say they'd be willing to give 100%
at the flip of a swith to live the United Order or Law of Consecration because
they wouldn't be forced.Here's a hint for you "believers".10%
is just a minimum, there is no maximum.Those laws will be be
steadily increased until you reach 100%.So, don't be surprised when
the Lord's ups his ante to see if you're still willing to stay in the game....
"Although there is an Auditors Report at each General Conference, the "books"
are NOT open. . . nor should they be."Take it from an auditor: they
open their books. The Church maintains a rigorous internal auditing force which
operates constantly. They also open the books to external third-party auditors
for both annual and interim audits of both the tax and financial persuasion.
There's rarely a time when the books are not under some form of audit.
"Let me explain it this way, conservatives judge the poor and label all needy as
needy just because they "want" to be."It's a good thing you don't
judge anyone! People fall into traps of labelling, stereotyping,
overgeneralizing, condemning, and using absolute arguments on complex issues.
But not you!I'm a conservative, and I don't label all needy as needy
just because they want to be. Let me know when your mind explodes. (it may take
a while to process) I just want the government out of it. You seem to think it
appropriate for the government to dictate care of the poor and needy, and place
the burden on its constituents by force. You may consider me conservative
because I disagree with that notion.I have no problem with the
Church reminding me to care for the poor and needy. I do it all the time, and
have all my life. But I still like the fact that it's my choice, I can decide
who receives what and in what way, and it isn't automatically withheld from my
paycheck and washed through the chronically leaky government system.
Why is it that people think political conservatives have no interest in caring
for the poor and needy? We resist socialism because we don't want to government
to manage the care of the poor and the needy. We want the freedom to choose to
whom we give and in what form, rather than having the government mandate it
through taxes and waste a significant portion of it on overhead. We may want to
help someone because they lost a spouse or lost a job or contracted an illness
or is just plain down on their luck. We do not want funds diverted to
special-interest "charities" like abortion funding in D.C. (see Congress's
latest spending bill - hey, at least they got the name right!).I
hope no one makes the mistake of thinking that socialism is some form of
charity. It isn't. It's a political system aimed at extending the power of
government at the expense of personal and local liberty. It's a system that's
easily gamed and manipulated, both by its administrators and its beneficiaries.
The ones who invariably lose in a socialist state are those who actually earn
The conservatives here sound exactly like the Pharisees : "See how much we give
to the poor $$$"On one hand they brag about being the most
charitable:Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a
trumpet before thee, as the HYPOCRITES do in the synagogues and in the streets,
that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Then mock, and miss the story of the widow and her 2 mites.For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want.Alms is giving money, Charity is the pure love of Christ.Still don't get it....sad.No wonder we're going to add this,
and teach this.I'm sooo happy!!Since most of us still don't
Dear Anonymous-Although there is an Auditors Report at each General
Conference, the "books" are NOT open. . . nor should they be.
Does the Mormon Church open their books?"yes they do.
TO Transparency is good (8:50 am Dec 11)YOU SAID: "The Christian
denomination I am a member of, quartely publishes a financial statement of where
the money goes,we are a memmber national council evangelical churches. "We can
follow the money"Does the Mormon Church open their books?"ANSWER: Because all the people who donate this money don't ask them to.One good thing to understand. . . You belong to a church who is a member
of a council with other churches. The people of The Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints, who donate this money you would like accounted for believe
they belong to THE Church; and thus are accountable to no one but the head of
the Church, who is JESUS CHRIST the Lord and Savior of mankind.
I for one, am thrilled! The Church might as well acknowledge publicly what it
quietly and consistently does.In spite of the fact that I am an
under-employed music teacher here in CA, I will donate $50 to the Humanitarion
fund this Christmas. And, I invite all to do the same! :) Happy Holidays!
Yes, and to that I say.........Oh well. How blessed the conservatives are to be
given this (for them) "great difficulty" with enough time left prior to the
Lord's return, for them to do something about their "difficult" position and put
enough oil of charity in their lsmps so they can enter in to the marriage feast
with the other virgins when the Bridegroom arrives......Anonymous |
3:23 a.m. Dec. 11, 2009 Conservatives are going to have a difficult time
with this one.......
Let me explain it this way, conservatives judge the poor and label all needy as
needy just because they "want" to be. THey totally kick against the Lord's
counsel through King Benjamin in Mosiah chapter 4.In so doing they believe they
can justify their own greed and lack of the pure love of Christ so they feel
they can get away quite nicely without helping anyone. They forget the story of
the beggar Lazarus and the King in Luke 16 and the Saviour's words in the
parable of the sheep and the goats in Matthew 25..........I don't
understand the conflict between conservatism and charity.... Anonymous | Dec.
12, 2009 at 4:14 p.m.
I don't understand the conflict between conservatism and charity. Charity is
not, never was, never will be socialistic. Socialism is carried out by mandates
and force. Charity is voluntary giving to those in need. Most conservatives,
because of their religious beliefs, are perfectly willing to give much to those
in need. This is a completely different principle than socialistic entities
where those in power forcefully take from some to give to others. It is Satan's
version of charity. Noone that truly adhere's to conservative values will be
troubled by the church's emphasis ob helping the poor and the needy.
This is what conservatives and liberals should be promoting:There is
a great chairty called the National Association of Free Clinics. You can google
it.Dr's, nurses and other healthcare professionals donate thier time
to help people that don't have access to medical care. 87% of those people that
come for care have at least 1 job. There is no better way to see
your donation have a greater impact on healthcare. If you want to keep
government out of health care then help take care of the problem. $10 or
whatever you can donate.Since this is anonamous I will say that I
have been making small contributions as a single father with lots of bills.
Either side of the isle should be, to back up your words and finger pointing in
the air.And if you need care, look them up and go to the next clinic
in your area.
Many members say they just have a problem with the government being involved.
Fine, the government is not the first choice but people are lacking basic things
and currently private charity has not been able to keep up.I would
suggest that anyone that wants to keep government out of charity should spend
thier efforts supporting private charities so there will be no reason for the
government to get involved. Make that great push for private charities. Town
hall meetings for charity work and contribution. That will keep the government
out of it. And it's allready tax deductable, so pay less tax that way....Just saying the government should ignore the plight of our brothers
rings a bit hollow.I'm glad the church has taken a step in that
direction to empasize the need for involvement and not just finger pointing in
the air rhetoric about the ways that should definetly NOT be used to help the
poor and sick.
I think Elder DeHaan says it best - "The temporal requirements placed upon the
Church and our members are never simply temporal. They only seem temporal
because our vision is lacking. The Lord's requirements are always spiritual."--Douglas W. DeHaan, "Is Any Thing Too Hard for the Lord?", Ensign, Nov. 1980,
87We as mortals, understand minute amounts of what is really
happening in the universe. It just stands to reason that at times our vision may
be blocked by mortal constructs. Helping others is of course what we should be
doing without prompting. However, we are mortal and as such we need reminding. I
wonder how our brains will work as eternal beings?!?!? Food for thought.
Just a note to all those who choose to JUDGE us..the scriptures tell us to keep
the commandment not to judge along with the scriptures to have charity and give
to the needy. I am so thankful to be a member of a church that has no need to
boast about the charity we give. As a member of a small ward in SC, I know
first hand how much service we give as a ward because I have been responsible
for organizing huge service projects all year long, not just at Christmas for
the needy in our community (not church members). We DO NOT have our pictures
taken to go in the local newspaper for praise, we just simply go about our
business knowing that the one who knows what we do is our Heavenly Father. That
is all that counts. Stop judging, complaining, and whining and do your own good
deeds without the newspaper pictures.
If you are fortunate and have your "house in order," look around you and
privately facilitate someone less fortunate, according to your talents and
resources. You do not need to solve the entire worlds, or all others problems
at once. Help and service can be delivered in all sizes and under
many different approaches and philosophies, "doing what’s best" for others
being served. That is true love for your fellow man and your “God”
(if you recognize one). The bottom line is that your contribution
equals a significant, durable increase in order and stability in the lives of
those you are serving. The objective is sharing and reducing other’s
weighty burdens through charity and service if you are able; and in the cases of
LDS, in the name of Christ. Such is really not a sacrifice when you
consider the personal gains. Remember, out of small things proceeds that which
is great and let us be not slothful for the easiness of the way. This is simple.
Being a Mormon, I must admit that sometimes I do service hoping to gain points
for an afterlife reward. I have to work hard sometimes not to think about
earning a reward but doing things just for the love of mankind.
Ask the Utah Food Bank what % of the donations and volunteers are from the LDS
Church and its members.Next Saturday, my LDS ward will be delivering
a 14 foot trailer-full of coats, blankets and clothing for the Road Home based
The LDS church has always placed great importance on humanitarian service.
Perhaps this recent emphasis is because the need for our service will be even
greater in the near future and we must get prepared for it.
The only ones who think they are Christians are Mormons(FLDS,LDS) a good example
of circular reasoning. Recently(11/20/09) The Roman Catholics,Protestants and
Orthodox came out with a statement of unity in the Christian body,
Mormons,Jehovah Witnesses were excluded by their denial of the Tri-une God.
Something Joseph Smith taught at one time. Momon giving has a different
motivation for giving than Christians giving.
"You cry babies should take the Christmas season and try to find something
positive. Your parents failed you miserably. "Ummm... I'm thinking
you need to follow your own advice cry baby. You went off with quite the
incoherent rant. And BTW, if you are upset about your wealth being
redistributed don't get mad at us, get mad at the government.
I hate to burst your bubble Sherlock but Mormons are Christians.
The Mormon church does do good works, The motivation may be different than the
Christians. The Salvation Army; Mormons are not in the same category. The
Salvation Army is a wonderful part of the body of Christ,(Christian Church). In
their statement of faith: #3. "We believe in the Tri-une God". This
is what seperates Christian giving versus, non-Christian giving.[Mormons,Jehovah
We've been without income for two months now, and our ward has not stepped in to
help. WHY? Because we have not asked them to!! We are living off our ample food
storage which we prepared because our Church counseled us to "prepare every
needful thing." We are doing our best to be self-reliant and not a drain on
Church funds. We hope our situation is temporary, so we can get back to helping
others who are in need. Merry Christmas everyone!
What a great way of saying it. We all have good intentions but most never do
anything with them. Hopefully President Monson's advice can be followed.
To Levi, Read the article. There is nothing new about this message,
just a new way of presenting it. President Hinckley and President Kimball and
many others have spoken on it before. President Grant and President Clark began
the welfare program in the 1930s. There are earlier examples I can site.
The point of the Church is to deliver God's message to the people, and we
normally fall short of fully following it, so the leaders of the Church have to
figure out how to speak to us so we will better follow God's message.
Helping the needy.If members were focused enough on the current
healthcare problem, they would be voting for healthcare change!
I know the LDS church does a lot of good. What I've always wondered and it has
bothered me, is why your 10% has to go to the church? To me if your giving to
the needy it should count. I personally don't think there should be a measure
like 10%, you should give what you can and want to whether is 5% or 15%. And
while giving to the needy you could drop an invite or share your testimony.
Grow your church that way. But again, you do a lot of good. I believe there is
too much investing in material things like land and businesses. But I don't
give to your church so its none of my business.
Considering the Church operates bishops storehouses, caneries, employment
center (about 200 world wide) has the Perpetual Education Fund and gives aid to
various soup kitchens and the like (I know this from having hurt my back taking
out a lot of food we were giving to a food kitchen on a welfare truck run,
mainly because I did not use a dolly, so it is totally my own fault, but anyone
who thinks the Church does not help the poor is misinformed). Then
there is Deseret Industries which provides employment and training for thousands
of people, some of whom are not members of the Church. LDS Humanitarian
Services seeks to provide aid in the wake of disasters. It is true we
probably could give more time and energy to aiding our fellow man, and we could
do a lot more good. However to act like the Church does not try and help people
is to totally ignore what the Church actually does.
They are just NOW figuring this out?
@12:08 - The tithing of the church pays for buildings, teaching materials,
utilities, and many other things that are needed for the church to function.To several posters who have talked about social stuff being the top
priority, and missionary service as a waste of time/resources - the last thing
recorded in the Bible that Jesus told the apostles was to teach the gospel to
all nations, teaching repentance and baptism. He taught them that in the last
days, the gospel would be taught to every nation, kindred, tongue and people,
and then the end (Second Coming) would come.Saving souls is the top
priority - all other goals are appendages to it. Many posts have detailed all
the help that the Church as an organization and its members give - and it's
considerable. Just think how much more good we'd be doing if there were more of
You are a bitter old person and do not no what the heck you are talking about. I
think if you are hanging around in homeless shelters than you need to get a job.
@ It's about time. I'd agree. It's about time you learned more about the welfare
program of the church.And how many decades it has been in existence.In fact, it seems that most of the hateful comments come from people who
clearly know NOTHING about what the church does, and has done for many many
years.For anyone telling the LDS church what IT should be doing, I ask,
what are you doing personaly to help those around you?Stop looking for a
another excuse to attack the LDS church and just decide what you can do to be
I was blessed with poor Grandparents who gave me more than all the gold and
silver on the earth.They were the most Christ-like people I have
ever known. Born and raised in the deep south, they joined the church and were
ostersized from their families so they moved to Salt Lake to be with the other
saints.They came with nothing, and live very modestly the rest of
their lives - but they always gave.When you visted, you always left
with something, even if it was a can of beans, or a bottle of beets - no one
EVER left with less than when they arrived.I watched my Grandfather
literally give a man the coat off his back.Gramps would drop a
dollars here, a few coins there -- given to someone on the street. He said
it would not change his circumstances much in this life by giving so, but it
might theirs.You call us bleeding heart liberals, or anything else
you want - I have chosen to follow his example.It makes me happy, I
feel better about myself, peace and joy that a few dollars could never buy.
Some of the comments on here reveal a horrible distortion in Christian
doctrine.One reader writes:"Please to not walk away from
this experience having missed a valuable lesson for yourself.It is not how
or what we give - by WHY.It not for them, it for us."If you
are "giving" to others, and the WHY is for your OWN LESSONS or BLESSINGS - in
other words, if you are giving FOR YOURSELF- then that is just selfishness!You think you are earning a place in heaven for YOURSELF. That means you
are not really helping the needy person at all. You are just helping yourself.
The needy person is incidental and meaningless to you.That is
hypocrisy.Jesus clearly taught that the REASON for helping others is
BECAUSE THEY NEED HELP! It has nothing to do with you! If you are not giving
help to the needy for the simple, pure reason that they NEED HELP, then you have
wasted your life deluding yourself about what Christian living is truly about.
Sorry, but “the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God
before you” (Matt. 21: 31).
Before you spew your anger (and ignorance) at why the LDS Church does not run
shelters you had better know the facts on how much in hundreds of thousands of
dollars it contributes to those who do.
Rest your mind, I will not stop giving in charity. My left hand will continue
to donate, and my right hand will not brag about it anymore. Lesson learned.But was I really deprived of my "blessing" by virtue of watching the
recipient spend the donation in a manner which violated the covenant of this
solicitation and donation? In fact, I did not give this young man two
dollars in expectation of any blessing, just as I do not give time and resources
to LDS and non-LDS entities alike in expectation of any blessing.I
am grateful for the means to support my family, and I express that gratitude by
my charity. However, this does not mean that I am required to suspend my own
intuition of who is or is not lying to get my money. Beware of wolves in
sheep's clothing - or hustlers in homeless clothing.
The only time I've ever heard of a Bishop telling some he wouldn't help, was the
real life story of a couple in his ward:8,000 sq ft house4 car
garage2 Suburbansa mercedes and 26 ft Bayliner boat4
ATVsand 2 small kids with both parents working.One got
laid-off.So, the couple went to the Bishop for help.He did the
right thing, and told them sorry - no.I wish we had more Bishops
like that one.I know too many LDS that get bent over giving a guy $2
for a taco, but think nothing of shelling out $ thousands to keep Bro.& Sis. X
in the ward..........
A previous poster wrote, "The point of 'follow the money' is not about
almsgiving, it is auditing the the assets of the Church or the individual,to
make sure the congregations money is not going to the wrong places."The Church has a very large group of professional auditors who do just that --
verify that the Church's money was spent in the ways that it was supposed to be
spent. Watch the Saturday afternoon session of any April General Conference and
you will see the head auditor give his report. The text of that report is
published in year in the Church's magazines and on the Church's website.The April 2009 report can be easily found via Google.
Recently I had a long term illness where I ran out of my own resources. I asked
my bishop for help, and received help with three bills. Weeks later I was able
to pay my own bills again; I am back to work, and grateful for the help I did
receive. I could have asked for more help, but decided not to.
Instead I sold some of my belongings that I felt I could do without; it was a
great blessing to receive the help, but it is now an even greater blessing to
take care of myself again. Church welfare is SHORT TERM - and we
have to do as much as we possibly can to help ourselves. For long term help, I
believe that most bishops have resources to point the person in the right
direction, like permanent disability and other programs I know little about. As has been pointed out here, the LDS Church does more than it's leaders
make public. Please go to Welfare Square and find out more before you condemn
the LDS Church for not caring enough about those in need, whether they are LDS
members or not.
I know some nonmembers who DO NOT want LDS help. They told me and a few others
to get lost. They said they did not want our help.
Is the church trying to get individual LDS giving to take the heat off what a
miniscule percentage of the tithing the church takes in that it gives out in
acts of charity? Perhaps the SLC needy will be able to set up
sleeping bags in "the great and spacious building" when it's closed at night.
Maybe they'll be able to eat from scraps from the food court.
I worked hard to emphasize this when serving as an elders quorum president for
five years, but most of what I said was not well accepted by other local leaders
and long-time members. I'm not exactly sure why as the topic is so dominant in
the scriptures. So, I say that the new emphasis is fantastic and much needed!
LDS activity rates will increase when wards and stakes take more local
initiative to meet the needs of the poor and the needy in their boundaries.
Christian people like to be involved in these activities. We have developed a
culture of helping that believes "If Salt Lake approves it, then we will do it."
Thus, we too often wait for the presiding bishopric's office to organize and
direct our efforts. But, more local initiative is precisely what we need.
Hopefully that will be one outgrowth of this new emphasis.
@ Shunned, I have a bro-in-law who has MS and terrible pain - he goes to work. I
have another bro-in-law who has back injuries, and he is going to school full
time. I myself had a work-related back injury, and I continued to work and
provide for my family. There is ALWAYS more you can do for yourself, rather than
wallow in your grief.Rather than be offended at what your bishop
told you (which I doubt was as rude as you make it out to be), go out and do
more for yourself. Rather than relying on others, do something! You're comptent enough to sit at a computer, read a story and add a comment.
Surely you could start supporting yourself. The church is designed to
temporarily help others - not to baby someone who is capable of helping
I am so reminded that if we "follow the Prophet", we'll be blessed. Jesus told
us in all His teachings to care for the downtrodden and less fortunate.
Blessings come from obedience and not doing to be known of man. What a
cool edict from the Bretheren!!!!
I appreciate the church for all of its generous and caring deeds. I personally
know of hundreds of private acts of service, support, training and helping. I am pleased, honored, and grateful for the millions of good, caring,
trying members of the church.
I applaud your giving $2 to that young man. :-)I was saddened that
you made such a point as to what he did with it. :-( Who was
blessed in the end?It sounds like you missed the very purpose of the
commandment and missed getting your blessing for following through on it.Please to not walk away from this experience having missed a valuable
lesson for yourself.It is not how or what we give - by WHY.It not for them, it for us.Peace
The Mormon church has had a lawsuit or two pending from the IRS in the
paston income, they may have settled out of court,they have a great PR
department. Years ago the leaders of the Mormon Churches salaries were
published,(not bad) have they been published recently?
First regarding 'Shunned Member' - we do not have all of the facts only what
this individual has chosen to write so it is easy for this person to bad-mouth
the local ward and bishop when we don't have the 'other side of the story'. To NYMember - there was no implication from any whiners such as Shunned
Member on these posts that they were tithe paying members; this individual could
also be from a poor ward that does not have the resources that this person seems
to require. Having work within the church's welfare system recently we did at
times send people to the local food pantry (run by the Baptist church in our
area) and to agencies of other churches when our ward and stake welfare dollars
I would like to see more love and caring shown the hearing impaired members of
all ages. The members who can hear seldom if ever show interest in them to get
know and understand them better. There are people who do learn sign language and
interprete for them but they are not really friends, just interpreters. The home
and visiting teachers who may or may not know signs will call on them once a
month and deliver the monthly message and talk about anything they want and
after about 30 minutes, they leave without really getting to know the
people.Then after a few months the home and visiting teachers are changed and
the whole process starts all over, again. They could ask them questions about
their deafness, their childhood, their schooling, etc to learn about hearing
loss and how to help them. The regular interpreters shuld meet with them
periodically to ask how well they are doing and how they can better help them,
etc. Hearing people need to spend more time listening to the deaf. They have the
same human needs as those who hear yet they often have no one to go to for
support and help.
What President Monson is saying is "the path to HECK is paved with good
intentions." We need to be hearers and doers of the word, and many of us are
just hearers right now.
Every organization that has an ongoing purpose saves some of its resources to be
able to continue through though times and invests that "reserve" wisely to make
sure it does not dissipate but that it grows (some five, some ten fold as the
parable says). To ensure that it can continue its mission of temporal and
spiritual salvation The LDS Church maintains and invests its reserves wisely.
Thus it can weather literal or figurative storms. Commercial enterprises funded
by the Church earn income that is then dedicated to temporal and spiritual
relief, preparation and preservation. Such relief and firesight have been
hallmarks of The Church since its early beginnings. For example, The Church's
Relief Socierty - the largest charitable womens' organization in the world had
its foundation on relief and service to the poor and needy (without regard to
denomination).As one who has witnessed much of the relief rendered
by The Church and its members in times of need from my youth to adulthood and
who has participated in some of that relief (as a recipient, as a volunteer and
as an administrator), I am greatful for the reminder of the priority, but it is
not at all new.
re: It's about time | 12:51 a.m. Dec. 11, 2009 That is because its
Christmas... come 1/4/2010, it'll be back to the usual dialogue.
Help the needy?Just yesterday evening, I was approached in West Jordan by
a young man asking $2 for bus fare to "get home". Asked where home might be, he
told me he lived on 700 North and Redwood Road. Well and good.I gave him
the two dollars, stating "Know this - I do not believe you, but the
responsibility for how you use this money is now on you."I drove off, but
looped around and watched him from a different part of the parking lot. He
walked into a fast food restaurant.I don't know of too many UTA bus stops
located in Del Taco franchises, do you?My biggest complaint with the
anti-Mormons in this thread is that you have no idea how much I give, and you
compound the error with the insult that I need to give more.Jesus told us
that the left hand should not know what the right hand is doing when giving
alms. To interpret, the person who trumpets his charity is the most false among
us. Give quietly of your own resources, instead of demanding loudly that I give
more of mine.
I've been beaten up for YEARS in the church trying to emphasize this one
point.Only to get shouted down by other members that the poor have
brought it upon themselves, they made poor choices, they made their beds -
let'em sleep in them, etc.Almost went in-active a few times due to
such un-Christ-like attitudes. And being mocked and ridiculed for says something
such "leberal" things.How could this be the church of Jesus Christ
with people so greedy, shelfish, and self-centered.What a breath of
The point of "follow the money" is not about almsgiving, it is auditing the the
assets of the Church or the individual,to make sure the congregations money is
not going to the wrong places. Christians churches should be accountable and
transparent. Christians should be transformed by the light. see(Ephesians
5:8-14) verse 12.,"For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are
done of them in secret." I would not my church to support someones sinful
lifestyle or liberation theolgy,etc.. "trust but verify" Ronald Reagan
Once again and as seems to be very common with everybody who hates the LDS
church, CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE SPEWING OFF YOUR MOUTH!!!! The church doesn't
spend very much money on missionaries, the missionaries pay for it themselves
for the most part, of course there are special circumstances and all that but
the Church itself doesn't pay for very much of what goes into that program.
Jesus said help the least among us? That's true and if you did any REAL
research on the LDS church (real being not from your anti-mormon sources, how
about reading it straight from the church or better yet, an independent neutral
researcher?) You don't because you hate the church and you look for reasons to
hate it and justify your hate. Get over it...seriously, everybody, nobody needs
it. So you disagree with prop 8? Great, disagree and debate and fight for what
you believe, but don't hate those who disagree with you because we don't hate
you, in fact, as you can see we are more than willing to help anybody in true
need. Spread Love and remember our Savior Jesus Christ during Christmas.
Imagine that;A bleeding heart Liberal point added to the Church
Mission statement.Conservatives are just gonna flip...(hahaha)
Wow, you people have soooooooo much compassion for your sick members.
Some of you need to get out of the proud POWDER BOX. What with this giving to
the poor and patting oneself on the back all about?
Socialistic? Nope. The largest receivers of wealth redistribution from the
federal government are the wealthy. It's a commentary on conservatism that the
redistribution of wealth is only bought up when the poor receive aid. The real
irony is these same people self identify themselves as "Christians."Let's look at the lie, first. Salt Lake happens to be a perfect example. Has
charity and the involvement of churches been able to met the needs of the needy
in the community?No.The lie is, if we didn't have
government programs, churches and charities would provide these services.One more point for these whining cry baby conservatives with kids. I'm
single and all my working life I have had more money redistributed so you people
can get you taxes cut and you have the nerve to whine? Have you no character? Do
you never think how your choices cost others?I pay taxes because
taxes pay for civilization. Go to countries with low tax revenues. They have
dirt roads, the police take bribes and illness abounds.You cry
babies should take the Christmas season and try to find something positive. Your
parents failed you miserably.
The bulk of the Bible's teachings on social justice, whether from the Savior's
mouth or from one of His prophets, is directed to people who were trying to live
the first and second great commandments (either superficially or with their
whole hearts) but who didn't seem to "get it." They needed reminding, scolding,
teaching, etc. to do "the will of the Father," which is what Jesus spent His
time doing.It seems entirely appropriate that President Monson would
emphasize caring for the poor and needy among us, and it should not seem
surprising that even those who consider him to be a prophet would, nevertheless,
need such a reminder. We are "natural men," prone to be overly concerned with
ourselves, spending our treasure on "bling" and ignoring real people with real
needs. The remarkable thing is that such teaching actually reaches a few who,
ever after, will "get it." The rest of us will need several doses before it
takes. But this is the good fight, is it not? Why the bile? Why the sniping?
This is pure religion and undefiled - let us close ranks with all people of good
will, and then do good.
Why would politically conservative church members have a problem with the church
re-emphasizing charitable giving? I think there are quite a few people that
confuse coersive government wealth redistribution with voluntary charitable
giving. If someone forcibly takes something from you and gives it to someone
else, needy or not, it is not charity, it is theft.Also....LOL at
folks saying the LDS church does not give back to the community. The haters are
out in force apparently.
Conservatives will not have a problem with this. Capitalism is not based upon
greed. This great nation was founded upon liberty, opportunity and work. That
includes devoting time, money and other resources to care for those who cannot
care for themselves. As a conservative, I welcome the emphasis.
The Church does not use sacred tithing funds to build malls or fund any
corporate ventures. I am not sure why so many people are trying to make this
new emphasis a negative thing.
I once lived in a ward that bought a christmast tree for a family for years.
Then, we bought them an artificial tree and saved a bunch of money that was used
to help people that needed it. There are plenty of resources, but there are
also many who are lazy. God also asked Adam to live by the sweat of his brow.
That is not a problem is it?
CAN THERE BE A MORE RIDICULOUS ACCUSATION AGAINST THE LDS CHURCH THAN TO SAY
THEY DON'T HELP THE NEEDY? You can disagree with the beliefs, but saying they
don't help the needy- Come on!!! They just don't flaunt what they do. The new
statement only reiterates what they've always done. I don't see any big
"changes" coming. The LDS church will continue to do what they have always done-
assist those in need witnout fanfare.Having been a Relief Society
president, I have seen first hand the welfare system at work. It is amazing and
helps many people. Of course you'll always find slackers who are just looking to
take advantage and they get angry when told they need to get a job. The church
stresses self-reliance and the welfare system was never intended to be a way of
life. In addition the church sends millions of dollars of relief
around the world. I'm happy to be a member of such a generous organization that
gives me a way to help others through fast offerings. Why criticize
the church for saying they want to help the poor and the needy?
Hey Shunned Member: The church preaches self-reliance. You should have
purchased insurance so you could be self-reliant. You sound like someone who
"won't" rather than like someone who "can't" help themselves. The church is not
a disability income provider. They assist partially and for a temporary time
period....it is not your retirement.
I'd like to see the church focus more on helping the needy as well. I'm tired
of reading about it organizing for Prop 8 or spending money on more missionaries
to convert the masses. Jesus said help the least among us.
These are some of the basic principles of the Church welfare system:"The
responsibility for each person’s spiritual and temporal well-being rests
first upon himself, second upon his family, and third upon the Church.""When members and their families are doing all they can to provide for
themselves and still cannot meet their basic needs, they may turn to their
bishop for temporary assistance.""The purpose of Church welfare
assistance is to help people to help themselves. Recipients of these resources
are given the opportunity to work, to the extent of their ability, for the
assistance they receive."The Church welfare system has never been
intended to be a long-term care plan nor is it in place to enable people who
don't want to help themselves.The fact sheet also includes numbers,
like $282.3 million in cash donations last year. This fact sheet can be found
with a simple google search.
I have given food, clothing, presents, etc. to many regardess of their
affiliation with religion or not.We have drained our entire food storage
more times than we can count because it is a Christian attribute to help
others.If you don't contribute anything to help anyone, you cannot
possible understand the amount of time, money, resources that are expended in
doing so.Why not thoroughly investigate to verify the statements before
wrong assumptions & mean comments are made?
Over half of our ward welfare assistance went to non-LDS people living within
our ward boundries. This is not uncommon. So much
ignorance...So much bitterness...Let it go...Merry Christmas!
HAHA please! Conservatives are much more giving, of their OWN FREE WILL, than
any liberal I've ever met. Liberals like to force others to "give".
Conservatives like to make the choice to give of their OWN substance.
There is a great reason the Church got involved. We would all do well to pay
closer attention to what is the Church has said about the issue. Seriously, as a friend just look a little harder and just pray. Yes, pray and
then listen. You will see clearly why the Lord had his prophet get have the
Church get involved.
It seems a bit of a brag to open the books to follow the money. "Look at all the
money I've given to the poor!" ?? Didn't Jesus say that our alms should be given
in secret? If you're bragging about how much money you give, you already have
your reward - whether you're an individual, a business, or a CHURCH!
This is Christ's Church. You know he is the judge the the end. Please move on
and get back to being your best self.It will be ok.
I don't understand the problem here. All my life (it's long believe me)every
ward I have been in the members have reached out to help those in need. Just
this week my ward filled several bins with items to give to those in need for
Christmas. Individually I help family, then friends, then the community. The
Church is to promote our eternal salvation - sometimes that requires meeting
physical needs first; it does not mean supporting someone for their entire life.
Even my friends 46 year old mentally handicapped son works part time. Helping
yourself, @shunned member, is much better than expecting someone else to take
care of you. It's liberating.
Being "asked" and "encouraged" to take care of the poor and needy is different
than being forced to give through outrageous taxes that are misused and abused.
The gospel of Christ is about people making choices to do the right thing of
their on free will. Once one is compelled or made to do so the opportunity for
growth and learning is diminished.
There's a difference between socialism (forced wealth redistribution through
mandatory high taxes to fund compulsory government-run programs) and what the
church is stating here (ie: volunteer service and donations from the goodness of
our hearts -- charity). People will always say that tithing and such are forced
and are akin to taxes, but I can choose not to pay my tithing (gotta love
agency). Try not paying your taxes.I don't think many members will
have a problem with this, considering this is nothing new to us.
To all you anti-anti's, your hatred is well shown by you own lack of knowledge.
We should all be aware of others needs and help. The Church of Jesus Christ is
only stating additional needs, perhaps of a bleak future, wherein we all will
need to depend more on others and families. Most blessings come from "silent
doings" and not from our boastings..
all over the ground . . . your comments Ralph are so uninformed and misguided
that I couldn't help but to hurl.Have you ever walked into a DI?
Have you ever been to Welfare Square? Have you heard of the African Relief
Agency? Did you see the cargo planes that landed in Samoa, New Orleans,
Uganda?It is good your name is Ralph because that is what I just did
after reading your silly comment.
I am not sure conservatives will be bothered here. Conservatives believe in
helping the needy with their own money. Liberals believe in keeping their own
money then passing laws to help the needy with other peoples money. And the
liberals take their cut of the transaction.
The only thing new here is an added emphasis and focus; the principle, based in
scripture, has remained the same from the beginning; it has always been one of
the key tenants and practices of the faith. Some question whether it
should even "need" to be stated, and my answer is, "Yes, if it will accomplish
some good!" The church is a forward looking church; its leaders are constantly
seeking for improvement and seek Divine direction to accomplish more good; there
will come a time that even their "mall" may prove a great benefit to the church
and community, and I'm not talking about just as another place to shop.In
the Book of Mormon, we have always had the guidance to care for the poor and
needy:Read Mosiah 4: 13-1917 Perhaps thou shalt say: The man has
brought upon himself his misery; therefore I will stay my hand, and will not
give unto him of my food, nor impart unto him of my substance that he may not
suffer, for his punishments are just...19 For behold, are we not all
beggars?...I welcome this change and give thanks for our prophets!
I find Johnny and his diatibive angainst helps those who aren't "real Americans"
out quite distateful. I am glad he is not a fellow member of my church.I spent nearly two years helping out the fellow who ran a Bishops
storehouse. One thing I learned from him was how to exercise authority and
compassion. When he would get a list from one particualr Bishop he would look
at it carefully and on his own authority increase it dramatically.To
me and one or two others he referred to that Bishop as a cheapskate. On one
occaision he actaully phoned that Bishop, told me to leave the office, and
talked to him. The attitude adjustment must have worked because the orders from
that Bishop became much bigger.On the other hand he treated the
people coming in like valued customers at a small store.(We even had
a sign over the brooms, entitled; "Mother in Law Transportation". The
mothers-in-law laughed the loudest.
Jesus Christ helped the poor. His main mission was saving souls, not filling
bellies. Our focus should be on the salvation of souls through coming to Christ
and repenting of our sins. I'm not discounting helping the needy
but I think many on this forum are mistating Christ's ministry.
Gain exaltation is a primary focus of the Mormon Church. The basic problem of
the Mormon church; it is man-centered(Humanism(versus
Christ-centered(Christo-centric).The Bible teaches God becomes man(The
incarnation)man does not become God. "Who opposeth and exalteth himself
above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; So that he as God sitteth
in the temple of God,shewing himself that he is God.(2Thess 2:4)
I see the usual ignorance about the LDS Church welfare program is in full force
today.The LDS welfare program is HUGE; I would say it dwarfs
anything the state and local governments do.There are several major
industrial sites besides welfare square on the west side of SLC dedicated to the
distribution of food, clothing, and other resources to poor people, and the
church is planning to build an even bigger one for worldwide distribution.In fact, I believe the LDS Church is the only American organization
which makes the specially-prepared dried food used in famine relief
operations.Through the LDS Church Foundation members give millions
of dollars every year to local charities. Most of the Salt Lake homeless
shelters would have to fold up shop if it weren't for the Church's efforts.And having been in numerous homes of the poor and addicted, I can tell
you that plenty of non- or inactive member families have "Deseret" brand foods
on their shelves.Few seem to realize this because the Church does
not make a big deal about their giving. Those of use who have worked in the
welfare system know better.
It has been shown that if a person does three things there is an 80% chance they
will never live in poverty.1. Graduate from high school.2.
Wait until you are 20 years old to get married.3. Wait until you are
married to get pregnant.Miss any one of them and odd of living in
poverty are 80%.If you can manage to keep out of jail there is a 95%
chance that you will never live in poverty.Any program that gives
money to the poor is treating the symptom. We need to treat root causes. The
LDS church does that very well. The teach these virtues to their people.Yes, it is true that many people play by all the rules and still end up
in poverty and we must help them.One thing the LDS church does very
well it prevention. When a person needs help, their situation is reviewed and
the root cause identified. A plan is put together to both help the person and
prevent a repeat of the problem. This comprehensive approach is vital to the
success of any program.
Shunned member isn't being shunned at all, he's being encouraged to go on with
life and support himself (as he should be). My mother-in-law had both knees
replaced at the same time, and was walking within the week. I suggest getting
another doctor. I am very pleased with this new emphasis. I live outside of
Utah and have supported non-LDS charities and food banks for years. It's a
great way of spreading His Gospel.
Why does the LDS Church needed to be reminded of this?Aren't the members
aware of "Big Brother" that is, the LDS Church is also a Bureaucracy which has
no need for slackers!
What has this country come to when a employee who uses his/her hands gets 1
finger cut off they are disabled and want the tax payinger or church members to
pay their way too. Hey, get trained to drive a truck, mop floors, whatever.
Learn a different job if you need to. People born without legs get jobs.
How many children would ever learn to walk if we carried them everywhere? I once saw a sign in a teacher lounge in a school that read; "Never do
anything for a child that they can do for themselves."Any welfare
system should be designed to increase the capacity of those who need help so
they become completely self reliant. We only need three rules:1.
Don't let good people suffer.2. Do not enable.3. Require those
receiving help to do the absolute maximum to change their own situation.The Lord helps those who help themselves.
After a tornado in OK a few years back, a news crew asked one of the victims
which groups had been on scene helping them, his reply was that there have only
been 2 churches, the LDS church and the Mormons! The LDS church does
not toot thier own horn and you would be amazed what they do, from quiet
assistance on the ward level to worldwide relief efforts during a disaster.
I had total knee replacement surgery on Nov. 17, 2009 and missed 7 weeks of
work. This was a very long recovery as most are only out for 4 weeks. Three
months is unheard of.I know that everyone is different. I did not
do my physical therapy exercises like I should and this is the reason it took me
longer than most. I can't help but feel that you are a least partly responsible
for your situation.
The Christian denomination I am a member of, quartely publishes a financial
statement of where the money goes,we are a memmber national council evangelical
churches. "We can follow the money"Does the Mormon Church open their
We have a member in our ward who has been getting assistance from the church,
friends,family and strangers. No one is complaining. However after months of
telling this people to move into a smaller/cheaper apartment she did.For Thanksgiving turkey boxes were given to those who did not need it. People
who were spending the day with family got boxes. Someone with more money than
the poorest ward members who are single got boxes.The ward does a
great job at Christmas - those who actually need help get it. Either with gifts
for the kids, gift cards and Christmas meal boxes.Other people that
wards need to look at during the holiday seasons are those who have no family in
the area. These people get lonely too. Invite them over, whether it is for
dinner or dessert. Visit the shut ins. Sing Christmas carols. We
need to take care of each other no matter what church we belong to.
Better start believing!!! Those homeless are constantly being helped by the LDS
church. Just becuase they don't go around advertising that they are the ones
giving help, doesn't mean they aren't giving it. If you only knew how much
money, food, clothing, shelter, and job services were provided to the homeless
in Utah, you would be very surprised. Don't comment about what you don't know.
It only makes you look like a fool!!
Isn't this a socialistic agenda? I figured most of you would be against this
kind of thing.
Who do you think funds the homeless shelters in SLC?Mormons give
more than any other class of people. They give more money and time.Bash all you want, but the facts are the facts.
After rendering service for many, many years in the local Bishop's storehouse,
every Thanksgiving and Christmastime MANY who are there are not of the LDS faith
nor have they ever been. Many wreaked of cigarette smoke & alcohol yet were
welcomed, well provided for and clothed as were their families. They were
provided with "many extra's" for the holidays, as well.If caring for the
needy means a free ride, I guess there will always be those who will be
disappointed & ungrateful; it IS a helping hand. That helping hand is seen
worldwide not just locally.
Most of the food provided at the St Vincent de Paul dining room in SLC comes
from the LDS Church. A major leader in the Utah Catholic Community Services is a
former lds bishop. So lds church leaders are very focused on Utah indigent
issues. The question is when or if social justice concerns should become the top
priority for the LDS Church as it seems to be in the New Testament. Presently
more assets seem devoted to missionary and temple efforts. I guess time will
Hey Ralph, none of the homeless shelters or soup kitchens in Salt Lake would be
in operation without the Church's help. Both financially and with donations of
food, clothing, etc. My guess is that the Church helps out far more than your
small brain can comprehend so get off your anit-Mormon high horse. The help the
Church gives is in the 10's of millions of dollars.Dear Shunned, get
over yourself. I knew a man that had both knees replaced, at the same time,
when he was in his early 80's. He was up and walking the neighborhood a week
later (he walked like George Burns, but he was walking without a cane also).
Turn your TV off, get off your butt, and fend for yourself. I think three
months is ample time to help. Everyone I know that has had a knee replacement
has been able to function within a week or two of the surgery. So, if your
Bishop said to go and get a job and support yourself, I agree with him.
As a member of the Church, an IT professional, and one who has struggled to find
full-time work this past year, I have been overwhelmed by the kind, gracious
acts of family, friends and members who have helped me, my wife and eight
children during a very challenging time. Those kind deeds have given us the
courage to go on, enabled us to keep our home for the time being, and allowed us
to become aware of others who are in greater need than we are. I attribute it to
the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the goodness of people who live in this wonderful
valley. If you know someone who is in need, you can brighten your Christmas and
theirs by showing the love and kindness we have come to know.
Hey Ralph: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not in the habit
of publishing all of the financial help and charitable services it gives around
the world. You might try taking a tour of the Church's Humanitarian Center or
find out for yourself in detail what the Church's Welfare department and LDS
Charities are doing around the world. I heard from a local spokesperson in New
Orleans regarding the help and charitable services received by several agencies
and churches. His response was this; "There were two churches which really
helped us the most, the LDS Church and the Mormons".
@Jimbo, I always want to ask people with an attitude like yours have they read
Mosiah 4:16-18. If a tithe paying member is unable to work and has medical
advise against working, what is the issue with them getting needed help? Would
it be better if LDS members went to other churches for food assistance or to
Catholic Family Services for rental assistance??? Where is the charity? I
do think there needs to be a more equitable way of determining who needs help,
as said above it varies greatly between Wards and even Stakes.
I find it hard to believe the Mormons are there for the needy and poor outside
there members.I live here in Salt Lake City Utah and in the City and
valley are crawling with Homeless People and are fed and clothed and sheltered
by the "Catholics" and other faiths..Yet the Mormons also deny there own (
Shunned Member) Yet the Mormons flood our over crowded State and Country with
People from all over the world and they house them, feed them, cloth them, buy
new cars for them, Green Cards, Toys and the list goes on ( There is a family of
10 from Nigeria Next door)... While there are people right here in Salt Lake (
Americans ) and in the valley with no homes, no food, and are freezing and
living in Pioneer Park and there cars..I think we need to take care of those
right here at home here in utah and America! Not dragging people here from other
countries! There should be NO HOMELESS IN UTAH! Shame on you the Mormons...
RE: RalphYour statement strikes me as very ignorant. I suggest you
visit some of the homeless shelters in Utah and ask the management what kind of
support they receive from the LDS church. The LDS church may not have it's name
on the front of any homeless shelter, but that doesn't mean the church doesn't
provide support necessary to keep the shelters functioning.
How little it returns? Have you ever been to Welfare Square? And that's just
the central location. The church runs farms, canneries, etc. all over the place
- with very few full time employees and mostly volunteers. Some are currently
receiving aid, others are simply there to help out. I've been in both
positions. Ever seen what happens when there's a hurricane in the south? The
trucks were on the way filled with stuff before Katrina ever hit land, and
Mormon Helping Hands were there right after it was over, with chain saws,
emergency cleaning kits and volunteers to help anybody who needed it. Same with
the tsunami, and every other disaster. When they run low on school kits,
cleaning kits, newborn kits, etc. the call goes out and that's what the next
local service activities are - putting together new kits to stock the warehouse
to be available.To Nate - Jesus stated it, we're repeating it.
Because people need to hear it, to be taught it, to understand where their
responsibilities lie. If you have kids, you'd know you can't just tell them
something once - well, grownups aren't that much different...
Wishing you continued progress with your healing from your surgery. Glad to
hear that your ward gave 3 MONTHS of help, in whatever form that was - whether
with meals, assistance, rides, or with your expenses, or all of the above. Why
your Bishop is now trying to 'wean' you off this assistance is unknown, as we
are not in the know as to all your circumstances. Other than monetary help or
help with groceries etc. from the Church Welfare, all the help provided from
within a ward is given by INDIVIDUAL members, and in some wards the need is
great and those helping start to be spread thin when faced with long-term needs.
Help is supposed to be temporary - not permanent.Under your
circumstances, the day of hospitalization qualified you for disability payments
which can last as long as your doctor keeps signing off on your disability. Helping the poor and needy has always been, and will continue to be, a
priority. From the tone of your response it would seem you feel
entitled to continue to receive help from your ward members, and are less than
grateful for what you have already received.
Isn't preserving traditional, God-ordained marriage between one man and one
I think this emphasis on caring for the poor and needy is appropriate. I have
been reading some objections to the emphasis on commercial enterprise in the
church. Many feel that the Mormon church is more a corporation than a place
where people's needs are met. I hope that homelessness and hunger will be
addressed with more of the funds members contribute. Jesus so emphasized
looking out for the sick and needy. In my wildest dreams I can't imagine him
using the contributions of the church to build malls, hotels, condos, office
buildings, etc. Thanks for this refocus.
Dear Shunned Member-- Get over it! The Ward helped for 3 Months-- Church
assistance is temporary. Where is your family? Not all jobs require walking and
3 months after Knee replacement you have a real problem I would be talking to
another Doctor. The problem is American Culture has become an Culture
of entitlement. Instead of helping ourselves and freeing ourselves from debt and
assistance from others we feel we are entitled to that Help. Self Reliance gives
us freedom and preserves our Agency! Teach a Man to fish (garden, get out of
debt, new skill, budget, etc.) and feed him for a lifetime.
You know very well that your Bishop did not just tell you to "go out and get a
job". You have misrepresented yourself and your Bishop. Your Bishop very likely
did tell you that the church does not have the ability to pay all of your bills
indefinitely. I am sure your Bishop then talked to you about long term
assistance from other sources such as family, etc. If he did not, then he should
The question is: Why does this need to be stated whenin any christian
church it should be self-evident?
Bishops vary greatly in how they interpert need. Wards vary greatly in how they
fellowship or do not fellowship. The Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ is
wonderful as long as personal opinions, myths, and Handbooks don't get in the
way. Take it up the line.
@Shunned memberYour ward helped you for THREE MONTHS and you are
complaining? I had ankle surgery twice and was back to work on crutches both
times in 3 days. (I know it's not the same as a total knee replacement) One of
the basic tenets (not "tenent") of the LDS Church is self reliance. We use our
own resources (savings, food storage etc), then we ask for help from our
families and extended families. Only when those resources are exhausted does
Church welfare kick in and it is always meant to be temporary. You may need
different employment but there are jobs available for those who don't walk well.
Conservatives are going to have a difficult time with this one.......
I find this new development so thrilling. Many of my friends take their free
market, capitalistic conservatism so far that it becomes a religion unto itself.
I am so tired of arguing with people who say that all the best economic systems
run on the principle of greed. This change in emphasis will remind all LDS of
the weightier matters, that giving and caring for the poor is more than a
personal choice but is also an institutional covenant this church has made to
the less fortunate.
It amazes me how much this community gives to this church, and how little it
returns. Has the LDS church ever run a homeless shelter? It must be the only
church in the world that cares more about building a mall than helping the
needy. I would rather give my tithing to McDonald's.
And some people think that churches are going to help families pay their
unaffordable and outrageous healthcare bills.. Time for a public
healthcare option for Families.No... probably not the time to be
blessing people with families. Might bankrupt this nation....Hmmm...
This is better than regulating people's private lives. I'm glad to see the
change in emphasis. It's what jesus would be doing instead of funding battles
against the gays.
Question..What was the very first commandment in the the NT?Answer..It was John the Baptist, saying that "If you have 2 coats, give
one away"Giving is the foundation of the Gospel. Maybe its time to
clean our all of our excess stuff and give it to someone that needs it?Just a thought
I worked within my ward for many years, always giving service when ever
possible. However this "new" release is a bit of shock to me! I just recently
had to have two total knee replacements and my ward helped me out for three
months and then I was tyold to get a job anf support myself! At this point I
couldn't walk as far as the bustop! Nor could I sit for more than 25 minutes. I
have two doctors telliung me NOT to work and a physical therapist that says it
would not be prudent for me to over exert the knees. So much for the
"NEW" helping the needy tenent!!!Bah Humbug!!!
In the New Testament it states in several places that disciples of Christ were
sent out to preach the Gospel and minister to the needs of the people.
Latter-day Saints and anyone who believes in Christ should do the same thing.