Next year we have a rookie QB and need Unga to play to give the new guy someone
to hand off to. We don't want to go back to 6-6 seasons again. Unless BM finds
someone to replace Unga, he will be letting down the team. Take one more for BYU
and see. I still think Collie made a mistake. With him, Pitta, Tonga, and Unga,
we would have been unstoppable!
I will cheer for Unga no matter what he does. RB's have a shortened football
lifespan. If you can make it in the NFL, go for it. It has been a pleasure to
root for you at BYU. Just remember us zoobie fans when you make it big. Good luck and God speed.
Please go Unga. Your backups are what won the game against Oklahoma because they
had great speed and juke ability and ran largely North/South. If BYU wishes to
beat TCU next year it will have to be with the kind of running backs we see on
the film clips on College Final Saturday nights on ESPN. I never once saw one of
any BYU running backs. We haven't run back a punt of kickoff for a TD in how
many decades? Start recruiting outside Utah!!!!!!
Unga will be letting down all 9 million members of the LDS church.
I'm one more who thinks Harvey is not the type of back the NFL wants, but that
he is also wise to try for it. How much money did Staley make in the NFL? A
couple hundred grand? That's better than the alternative if Harvey gets hurt
again, and he indeed isn't going to get any better than he is now. Giving up
the scholarship for a final year likely won't prevent him from finishing school.
Harvey Unga would be selfish to leave the Cougars and would leave millions
What many Cougar fans may not realize is that before the 2011 NFL draft there
will be a significant restructuring of the rookie contract system. It is widely
suspected that this new rookie signing system will greatly reduce both overall
contracts in terms of guaranteed money (the part of the contract that matters
most), as well as the amount of money a player may get as a signing bonus. Bottom line for Harvey (and most college athletes with any semblence of
business savy) is that testing the NFL waters now and declaring if there is even
a reasonable probability of being drafted in the first 3 rounds will put you
hundreds of thousands or millions ahead of the guys that come out next year and
go in the same exact draft slot. Would any naysayers please raise
their hands if they would turn down a full-time job that paid a guaranteed
$250K+ per year for at least three years in exchange for skipping your senior
year of college. That essentially is what a top 3-round draft pick gets.As a huge Cougar fan, I say go for it Harvey. It may be the best
business decision you make.
For strictly selfish reasons, I would like to see Unga return for his senior
year. If I were lucky enough to be Unga right now, I would 100% go to the NFL.
Harvey needs to do what is best for Harvey. It has nothing to do with loyalty.
It has everything to do with life. If you want to live your life vicariously
through someone else, play an online reality game. I don't know if Unga
will be much in demand as an every down back, but I think he would do very well
as a fulback, which seems to be something that BYU produces a lot of for the the
Hey smurfs, You are soon to be 1-1 in BCS games. Please get back to us once you
have beat the MWC in a game and don't play those creampuffs and still struggle
away from home.
I hope that post is a joke. No Hawaii fan has any right to mention their
appearance in a BCS bowl. That was a huge letdown and step backward for the
non-BCS schools. What was the score 41-10? embarrassing. See ya
BYU will always be our little brother in football. Have fun watching us play in
our second BCS Bowl.
There are several running backs who will be drafted before Harvey. He will not
get a big contract. If he sticks with a team, it will be as a short yardage,
goal line power runner. He does not have either break away speed or the ability
to turn the corner against NFL linebackers. Stay in school and enjoy a terrific
college career. If you are meant to play in the NFL, it will happen.
Has nothing left to prove at BYU.What could he possibly accomplish
other than another year of getting beat up and beat down.How could
he possibly improve his draft position?Would he have to rush for 1000
yards? 2000 yards? 3000 yards?Reality is, it will be next to
impossible for Unga to improve his draft position and will only likely hurt his
position by another average season, (for him, especially given the load he will
have to bear with the new QB/TE/OL, etc.) and is just as likely to hurt his
draft position with another injury. Dont' believe me, ask Colby
Claweson about his meeting with Sam Bradford and how that affected Sam
Bradford's draft position. Guarantee Sam Bradford would have been drafted much
higher if not for Brother Claweson's hit.
Responding to:"Re:RERe: Let's Keep Complete... | 10:39 p.m. Dec. 11,
2009".At the end of 1984's season, there were *two* undefeated D1
teams: BYU (13-0-0) and Cal State-Fullerton (12-0-0).
Interesting that the poster at 10:39 PM plainly states that the BCS and the new
rules came into existence because of what BYU accomplished in 1984. Rare for
someone that seems like a Ute fan to admit. In your justification
to apparently crown Utah I have one question for you how do you explain other
years where undefeated teams were not voted as National Champs? Penn State &
Michigan seem to come to mind.
Again, you're wrong. BYU was the only undefeated team left in 1984. At the
time the polls gave preference to ANY undefeated team, regardless of their SOS.
BYU benefited from being the only undefeated team left over a once-beaten
Washington team who played in the Rose bowl. BYU beat a 6-5 Michigan team by 7
points in the Holiday Bowl. It was because of this that the rules were changed
to never allow a team from, what would become the "non-automatic qualifying
conference" teams, to win a national championship.In 2004 Utah was
one of 4 undefeated teams with arguable the best offense of the 4 teams,
including USC, Oklahoma, Auburn. But last year the Utes repeated this
accomplishment, becoming the only undefeated team in the country. To do this
they beat Alabama, a team that had been #1 for a month and a half, by 14 points
in the Sugar Bowl. By every subjective measurement, the accomplishment of the
Utes last year was equal to, or greater than, what BYU accomplished in 1984.
But, as stated above, the rules had changed after 1984 to keep teams like Utah
from being awarded the national champ.
Actually Utah would NOT have been national champions in 2004 or 2008 in the old
system that gave BYU the national championship in 1984 because Utah was NOT
ranked number one in ANY of the major polls. BYU was ranked number one in most
of the polls, including all the major ones.
You are correct - the other records do count in the record book. But they do
note that 1950 was the beginning of the modern era of college football and they
often will parse some of the statistics because the nature of how the game
changed around that time. Look it up.If a BYU fan was just trying
to show only their good years wouldn't they start in 1972 with Edward's and show
nothing else?The previous post did list both sets of numbers to not
alter the facts.The system in 1984 was voting by several news wires
and coaches polls. The two that really mattered AP & UPI (now coaches poll)
voted BYU #1 for their undefeated season and 24 game winning streak. Since both
voted BYU as #1 they were a consensus national champion. That does not equate
2004 or 2008 for Utah to be National Champs just because they went undefeated.
The pollsters in the main polls recognized by NCAA record books AP/Coaches did
not vote Utah #1.Very nice bowl win percentage Utah - much easier to
do when you're not normally the conference champ with the tougher competition
Since when did the NCAA establish 1950 as the year to start counting records?
That is blatantly untrue. BYU fans always like to play that card because up
until the 1960s, their win-loss record was one of the worst in college football.
The NCAA accepts all of its records since football was established in the late
1800s.Let's add a few facts: Utah 53 wins, BYU 34 wins. (At one
time the U of U held a 34-2 record over BYU.)It's true, BYU has one
"national championship" in 1984. But under the same rules that were in place in
1984, the University of Utah has one national championship in 2008, and possibly
another in 2004.Utah's bowl record is 11-4; BYU's is 9-17-1. BYU
has played in 12 more bowl games, yet has 2 fewer wins than Utah.Be
careful when choosing which records to accept and which records to reject. By
your way of thinking, the New York Yankees have only won 15, not 27, World
Series titles. Everything that Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, etc. did does not count
because it happened in the 1920s. Come on!
re: Red Rocks | 3:31 p.m wrote: "Didn't the other teams start with
the posts about the score in scope of the BCS.... Does it have to be a BYU fan
to find/post stats that can't be refuted? Does that display class or no-class to
post facts? Does it hurt that the accurate stats that were pulled do not high
light your team of choice?"What are you rambling on about?! I
have no idea what you are trying to articulate. I have never posted a comment
about Utah being better or superior to BYU. Your comment is really, really
Didn't the other teams start with the posts about the score in scope of the BCS.
Which by the way only exists because of 1984. Does it have to be a BYU fan to find/post stats that can't be refuted? Does
that display class or no-class to post facts? Does it hurt that the accurate
stats that were pulled do not high light your team of choice? Is it classier
for someone (perhaps you) to make ascertions of dominance or national prestige
with no backing of reality?Recency has placed the spotlight on all
the teams listed above to differing degrees. But based on the "scores" who has
proven worthiness or received the most national attention historically?I am totally aware that BSU/Utah/TCU have grabbed a huge amount of the light
that BYU once held for itself in the football world of mid-majors. The
declining/winding down Edward's years and the painful Crowton years were taken
advantage of by each of them and I saw kudos to them. Look at the last 4 years
and see the consistency BYU is showing and trying to build upon. It gives hope
along with facts.
There is no way in hades that Unga will stick around. A rebuilding year, with
his injury history? He will take a fat NFL check and lock into a big contract.
I will bet my skinny paycheck on it.
10+ win seasons for the scoreboard:BYU 14 (14)TCU 9 (6)BSU 8 (8)UTAH 4 (4)Hawaii 2 (2)Poor BSU may feel bad
about some of these numbers but considering they've only been DI - FBS since
1999 I'd say that is impressive for them. You could add 3 more years of 10+ win
seasons if you counted their time in DI-AA.
To Let's keep complete scores | 3:18 p.m.,Leave it to a BYU Fan to
try to tear down our football team on an article about Harvey Unga. Real
I also missed this years BYU bowl game so that would bring them up to 28.
By the way - I included a hope/assumption that Utah wins their bowl game and
ends up ranked, otherwise it lowers their number for ending seasons ranked.
We'll break down some scores for all of you. I'll place totals plus number
since 1950 in parenthesis since that is considered the beginning of the modern
era of college football by the NCAA and recency has relevance. I also will only
list Div I - FBS information. All numbers include this year even bowls not
played yet.AP Consensus National Champs:BYU 1 (1)TCU 1
(0)Utah/BSU/Hawaii 0Conf Champs:Utah 26 (10)BYU 23
(23)TCU 15 (10)BSU 9 (9)Hawaii 3 (3)Overall Bowl
invites:BYU 27 (27)TCU 25 (19)Hawaii 23 (12)Utah 16
(14)BSU 10 (10)BCS invites:Utah 2BSU 2Hawaii
1TCU 1BYU 0Major National Awards (heisman/outland/sammy
baugh/etc):BYU 16 (16)TCU 5 (3)Utah 1 (1)Hawaii 1 (1)BSU 0 (0)AP Top 25 finishes:BYU 17 (17)TCU 15 (12)BSU 6 (6)Utah 5 (5)Hawaii ? (?)Only one historical
category does any of these schools rate higher than BYU and that is in overall
conference champs. Since 1950 it isn't even close.The newly
invented category of BCS BYU does lag behind. WhyDoesBCS Exist?
Hawaii, nobody cares about your BCS game where you got destroyed.Boise State, your joy ride is over. You will get beat by TCU and will not
make it to the BCS next year. VT will kill you.TCU, congrats, you
guys deserve it. But don't get all excited about a BCS appearance until you win
the game. (see hawaii above)Oh, and to re:Early entry, Lee Cummard
did not enter the draft early.
I think Luke Staley did what was best for him at the time and I supported him.
He had had 5 or 6 major surgeries, and needed to give the NFL a chance before
his body fell apart.I also support Harvey Unga if he decides to
leave early. I'm thankful for his contributions to the cougs, but he needs to
take care of his young wife and future kids. If he stays, he will probably be
carrying the whole team on his back, what with a new QB, TEs, and FB. He will
surely be banged up. If he decides to leave, it will be because he needs to
give the next level a shot while he is still healthy. I think he is also aware
that he might be playing FB in the NFL like Fahu Tahi. His body and speed are
more typical of an NFL FB. FB is a body-pounding position to play, especially
in the NFL.If Harvey stays, we should certainly count our blessings,
but don't be surprised if he heads to the NFL--it probably makes the most sense
Since we're all at it right now:TCU 1 BCSBYU 0 BCSUnga, good luck on whatever you decide to do. It was nice playing against you
the last couple of years!
After several years in the NBA Bradley was not any stronger. I don't see how
being at BYU vs the NBA would have been better for him. If $70 Million is a
bust sign me up :-)
Aloha, my BYU friends!! Just thought I would remind you that:Hawaii
1 BCS BowlBYU 0 BCS BowlsGood luck Harvey!
I would bet anything that Unga decides to go to the NFL this year. He knows
that another year at BYU will gain him absolutely nothing. He knows that BYU
will not be going to a BCS Bowl in the next 10-20 years. He knows that Boise
will be going to their third BCS Bowl next year. In case you BYU fans have
forgot:Boise 2 BCS BowlsBYU 0 BCS Bowls
Unga will do the right thing and go into the draft. If you guys are honest with
yourselves, you would do the EXACT same thing. The ONLY reason you go to
college is to make more money and provide for your future family. This is
Unga's chance and I wish him luck. Thanks for the memories.
I'm about as loyal a Cougar fan as you'll ever find, but I gotta think Harvey is
better served to hit the draft this year. Unless the agents tell him he won't
be drafted or he'll be a 7th rounder, he's gotta take it. He can always go back
and get his degree...that money will not always be there, and I don't think his
stock is getting any higher than it is right now. He's not getting any faster,
and he's proven all he can prove at the college level. Wh risk a major injury?
Best of luck to you Harvey, you've been spectacular.
As much as I want to have Unga back next year, I think it would be a good choice
to turn pro. He isn't an every down back in the NFL. Coming back next year
would not change that. But he does have a unique set of skills to bring to the
NFL. He is great to pick up the hard 2 or 3 yards on 3rd and short. He also
has surprisingly soft hands which will make him a good option in the receiving
game. Of course, I will not complain he if stays!!!
"I think talking to agents and getting a feel for what they think is a start for
me..." - HUHarvey, I'll save ya some time on that one. Here's what
the agents are gonna say: "Yeah, man, go for it! You're great and I have a
feeling you'll go high in this year's draft! You are so much better than a lot
of players entering the draft it's practically a done deal!!"Agents
say stuff like that whether it's true or not. And why? Money. They have a chance
to make money off of you and that's all the reason they need. They figure the
more clients they can get to enter the draft the better their chances are of
making some real money. Don't let their flattery get to your head. Also look at
other factors and don't give too much weight to what an agent says.
I suspose it's your perspective. If all you're considering is the payday then,
yes, Shawn Bradley's case worked out in his favor. However, if you look at how
well his NBA career turned out, I'd have to think any reasonable person would
have to say it was a complete bust. His most influential contribution to the
NBA was his animated character in Space Jam, co-starring opposite Daffy Duck.
Not saying much. His NBA career was a huge disappointment. Besides, Bradley
was at BYU when I was there (20 years ago). Staley was another one - got his
payday but had no NFL career. I'll grant you that Tait and Collie (although
early, it's promising) worked out by leaving early. So, that's *2* in *20*
years. You didn't include any BYU basketball players (Travis Hanson, Lee
Cummard, etc.) that left early that never made an NBA team. That's not an
impressive track record. Speaking for myself, I don't think BYU players are too
slow or too small (BYU still puts people in the NFL, just not early entries) -
history shows the best bet is to go AFTER your senior year.
The highway to the NFL is littered with players who have the skills but not the
body to handle the pounding.If Harvey's body can't take the college
game, it sure looks unlikely to make the pros, unless the staff at BYU just
can't take care of the players.
We'll miss you Harvey. You deserve the draft this year. Good luck in the NFL!
It would be great if you joing Austin at Indianapolis.
For those bashing (specifically) BYU players that left school early for
drafts:Shawn Bradley = 14 years in the NBA approx $70 Million
(G=832, GS=484); comfortably retired this year; retired comfortably after the
2005 seasonJohn Tait = 10 years in the NFL conservatively $38
Million (G=148, GS=139); comfortably retired this yearLuke Staley =
1 year contract with Detroit Lions, $225,000 (G=0, GS=0; entered 1 pre-season
game no stats); cut with more money in hand than most ever earn in a year (or 2,
or 3)Austin Collie = 1 year so far with Colts approx $295,000 -
played every game so far (12) and started 3. Has a reception in every
professional game played, a top 2 rookie receiver in most statistical
categories; making a very good showing for himself and his futureFor
everyone one who says "too slow", "too small", "not enough skills"; I know I
wish I had these gentlemen's perceived deficiencies on a scale that allowed me
to pick up any of their pay days.I'm guessing most on this board
would do the same.
I use to be on the 'stay in school' bandwagon with college athletes. What I
didn't realize when I was younger was the concept of opportunity. If the NFL
opportunity to make the league minimum of $300,000 is there, then why risk
another year of school and injury. If Harvey wants to finish his degree, then
he can always come back and get it. If you went to college to get a degree in
computer science, proved yourself by your junior year and was offered a job for
six figures....wouldn't you take it? Where did Luke Staley go after
he got injured and didn't make an NFL roster .... back to Provo to finish his
education ... at least that is why I assume he was there.
Dude commit to the NFL....what are you 29 years old? sign up fast or you may
have to retire before your drafted!
Unga's been a good, tough college back. I see him in the NFL, but only kinda
like Fuamatu-Ma'afala -- a big bruiser that lacks NFL speed. He played off and
on for 7 years, which means he earned NFL retirement status after 4. If he can
get drafted this year, he should go.
Who can blame him. How many pro careers have been ended in college?
Harvey needs to improve his speed and stamina. The combine will hurt him if he
comes out.Good luck to him with whatever he does.
Pros for going Pro: Big money. Get to play pro football.Cons: miss
SR year. Graduation delayed.Pros for returning: Another year
playing BYU football. Graduate now (next year). Set football records. Make
fans happy.Cons: Risk season/career ending injuries. Risk decrease
in draft stock due to graduating QB, top reciever, and much of the O line.
Delayed NFL income could cost him as much as 200,000 due to time value of
money. Possible lower NFL salary due to new regulations.If it
appears that Unga will be drafted, he should go. He loses little by going
early. He can always go back to school, especially after earning an
NFL salary.He really can't improve his draft stock very much. He's
already had 3 great years, another one really wouldn't change things.Due to the loss of key players on offence and defence, Unga may not have as
big a season next year which would lower hi stock. He also runs the risk of
getting injured in a manner that could dimminish or erase his hope of getting
drafted.Go Harvey, Go.
When in doubt stay in school. I join the crowd that thinks Harvey
may not have it what it takes to get into the NFL. First, they love speed. You
can't coach speed. Either you have it or you don't. He is far faster than I am
but on the average NFL roster is is likely slower than most of the linebackers,
let alone safties. I just don't think he has it. He may get onto an
NFL team and sit the bench for a year or two but I don't think he will really
make a splash. That being said, I said about the same thing with Austin Collie
and I was wrong.I hope he stays in school and finishes his degree.
If not, best of luck to him!
Goll, Unge would be a #one round draft pick.
Every mock draft I've seen has Harvey Unga being taken in the later rounds.
He'll get drafted for sure. Who wouldn't want to make 6 figures right out of
college? Go to the NFL, put as much money as you can in the bank, then finish
up at BYU with enough to have a house paid for in cash if things don't work out.
Unga is good enough to get drafted. He won't be a first day pick obviously. He
won't be a feature running back, but he could be a back up or a situational
back. He has the abliities and the experience to get drafted and stay with a
team for at least a couple of years. Here's why:1)He's a big back.
He is as about as big as Fui Vakapuna and Naufahu Tahi who are in the NFL as
fullbacks, but he is a tail back.2) Experience/vision. He already
has 3 years of starting experience. He has almost 3400 yards. He already has
more experience than most RB, including seniors, who try to go pro. That
experience shows. If you watch him play, you'll see that he is great at finding
hole to run through. Many times this season I've seen hole detailed in the play
get pluged or congested, and Unga noticed a gap in the defense and took
advantage of it. That is a valuable skill. To turn nothing into a significant
gain is something people look for.This comment will be continued in
good enough part 2.
Harvey Unga has run for almost 3400 yards in 3 seasons. How is that make him
too fragile? How does someone who isn't durable run for over a thousand yard
per season for 3 years in a row? And he's done on a throwing team too. His
injuries have been little nicks and scratches. the longest he has ever gone
without playing was a single game.He is not "injurey prone" as Luke
Staley and Matt Assiata are. They had injuries that end their season. Unga has
injuries that might make him miss a couple days of practice.
Harvey will obviously not be a home run hitting speed back in the NFL (like
Adrian Peterson is), but most NFL teams also have workhorse tailbacks that pound
between the tackles and have great careers (like a Jerome Bettis). He won't be
an early rounder, but Harvey definitely has the talent and stature to have a
successful career in the NFL with the right team.
If BYU wasn't going anywhere then they wouldn't have NFL worthy players
As a fan I'd love to see Unga back next year. Having him in the backfield will
take pressure off of the new QB. But, if he gets a lot of teams and agents
saying he'll be a mid-round pick, then he should declare for the draft. I'd
personally take the advice of NFL professionals on this over a bunch of
anonymous comments on this board. I distinctly remember a lot of
UofU fans on these boards ridiculing Collie for the same decision last year
using the same lack of speed argument. They were wrong and Collie is having an
outstanding rookie season. I still don't understand all of the UofU fans
commenting on here. Don't you have your own team to cheer for?
Harvey will not decide by any of these comments, he will go by what coaches,
family, and close friends and of course agents say, but the fact is, and Collie
was an exception (because team members of the Colts left and they needed him)if
Harvey leaves early, he will not get drafted and will end up on a practice
squad. Why? Because he is from BYU (not knocking BYU per se)he does not have
credentials (forget stats, look at what they did to Pitta). He is better off
staying at school and creating a HUGE statistical base next year that would be
impossible to ignore (another 1,000 yards more TDs, etc. Then with bigger
numbers he can move forward. And, he will have time to substancially fix his
hamstring problems before going into the draft.
We Coug fans will be forever grateful for your three or four years of bearing
down, grinding, and tearing up defenses nationwide. Figure out what offers the
best future chances for you and pursue it 100%. Do finish up school at some
point though so we can get you in the BYU Hall of Fame.
Asiata==============got injured against a Big East team.Go
A lot of selfish coug fans on this worrying about next year. Have some respect
for a guy who is looking to better his life. Any of you looking to
get a better job? Better paycheck? Financial security? Retirement? And about the education; it will be there waiting for him the rest of his
life. Thanks Harvey for the three years, do what is best for your
family and yourself.Best of luck
No offense Harvey, but if people are telling you you'll be playing on Sunday's
next year, I think you should get a second (or third) opinion. Harvey's a big
guy and a strong runner, but I can think of several senior backs that play in
harder conferences that are much more "power" backs than Harvey. I'm always
disappointed to hear BYU athletes (basketball & football) considering going pro
early - other than Collie, I can't really think of anyone who has done this
successfully from BYU - not sure where that kool-aid is, but Harvey needs to get
some perspective. BTW, I'm a BYU homer and want to see Harvey next year - truth
is that it will only be in a BYU uniform, not in the NFL. Patience
Do it, BYU isn't going anywhere
With the collective bargaining agreement possibly changing in the NFL, rumor has
it that they will cap the rookie salaries. As stated by a Chicago sports
station that I listen to, this could be the deepest draft in years because a lot
of collegiates want to leave early (before the cap). This could mean Unga would
benefit leaving but get drafted lower or get drafted higher next year but make
less money. HMMM - Tough choice. Of course, I want him to stay but it is not
life - follow the money! If you are not ready now - you won't be in a year.
I wouldn't be promoting Asiata on this thread. After all, he's had injury issues
too. His were worse even.
I love watching Harvey play. Strong, powerful, good feel for the game good
hands. I would love to see him play another year at BYU.He is
receiving good advice and is taking reasonable steps to evaluate his options. He
has not declared himself eligible, simply requesting a professional analysis.If he is predicted as a first day selection he should enter the draft.
Otherwise, we are fortunate to have him another year.Austin Collie,
Luke Staley, and John Tait all made the correct decision in leaving early.
Staying at BYU another year would not have helped Staley. His knee would have
failed early in his senior year. His "bad" decision netted him two years of NFL
salary and a fabulous experience.Give up the loyalty argument BYU
fans. He has a growing family and needs to do what is best for him. 3-4 years of
NFL salary won't set an individual up for life, but the rest of us wish we had
that head start.
Harvey Unga eats Yewts for breakfast.Career vs. Utah:61 Carries 373
Yards (6.1 YPC) 4 TDs
Harvey is not an NFL running back. He is not quick enough to get around the
corner in the NFL, and his body will not survive inside. If he goes
early, its just to grab a paycheck and not risk losing all of it with an injury.
Can't blame him for that tho. Loyalty? There is no loyalty in sports, so fans
who cry "I cheered for you, you owe me" need to reconsider their life
Collie is the real deal, and Payton Manning is the one saying it. Watch them
the next 5 years and report back ...
Nfl is talking about adding to cap on Rookies.....this may be the last year of
BIG Mony contracts...But somehow I don't think that includes Unga...he is not a
1st rounder......I question whether he can make it through as a walk on...He
isn't that impressive, but then neither was Mike Anderson at Utah? But look how
far he went.....?
Let's be objective here. Harvey wants to play football to support his family.
If a fortune 500 company approached you your junior year in college and offered
you a guaranteed 200k signing bonus and a job, you and I would take it. Bronco and the gang have hooked Harvey up with NFL guys who will
accurately gauge where he is at in the draft. If he is a 5th round talent or
better, he goes; if he is a sixth round talent or worse, he stays in school.
Luke Staley was told he was a sixth round talent because of his injuries and
jumped in the draft and we know the history.
His numbers will drop by about 25% during his Senior year.The
replacement QB's have physical talent, but nowhere near the game experience of
Max. Put new TE's and OL's in the equation. The whole thing looks very ify.The pro teams know what he can do.Staying in Provo will
guarantee an undrafted free agent status. The risk of staying around to face
possible injury is just too great.The best time to leave is when you
feel you have something to prove to the naysayers. Put a chip on your shoulder
and prove all the naysayers wrong. You're healthy and optimistic.GO
Unga will be converted to Full back at the next level. Go pro, get a pay check.
Save some of it to finish your degree AFTER you're done playing in the NFL.
"Next year is huge rebuilding year what with losing Pitta and the winningest QB
in the history of BYU FB and Jan Jorgensen. Things are looking slim for ya in
Provo next year."Glad to hear it...BYU should hope that the players
replacing these guys have learned from their mistakes and know how to keep their
Go Pro, young man, Go Pro!Next year is huge rebuilding year what
with losing Pitta and the winningest QB in the history of BYU FB and Jan
Jorgensen. Things are looking slim for ya in Provo next year.Likely
to get more injuries and another 1200 yards of rushing will not get you any
closer to the NFL. You're not getting any younger and in the grand scheme of
things, you'd rather have an extra year playing for $1 million plus rather than
coming back for another bitter Holy War (since BYU will almost certainly not
contest for the BCS next year, and will likely not be in the running for MWC
champs either).Good Luck Harvey, and Go PRO!
I'm going to beat a dead horse and agree with everyone that Unga is too slow for
the NFL. He struggled to beat people in the MWC. I would be surprised if he
even got drafted, and if he does, he will have a very short NFL career. I am a
Cougar fan and think he has been great for BYU but I don't see him going
anywhere after the season is over.
Unga should definitely stay another year. But maybe that is just me as a Cougar
fan wanting at least one proven offensive player on the team next year (OK,
maybe two if you count Jacobson).Also, although I agree Collie is
very talented and has definitely worked hard to get the playing time he has
gotten, he is quite lucky to be on the same team as Peyton Manning, especially
given the Colt's current situation at WR. I don't think he would be doing nearly
as well on any other team.
Are you nuts? I'm a Utah fan and would be happy to see him leave. He is strong,
has great balance, quick for his size. If you need 2 yards, he'll get 3. Why
would he stay? BYU loses their tight end and QB and three linemen. BYU will be
rebuilding next year. Run Unga, run. He may not get drafted but will make a
team. He'll play special teams and get a chance as a third string somewhere. Go
Oh no! He might end up a 3rd string back in the NFL? I would take that paycheck
It would be nice to see Unga have a great bowl game against OSU to show that he
can carry the team against a formitable opponent. He doesn't have break away
speed (for the NFL) and the pounding he will take at the next level will quickly
wear him down. If you do go, get as much money as you can in the initial
Please don't leave yet. There's one more game on the hill that you need to play
next year. Besides, you don't want to have a legacy like Luke...what's his
name. Do you feel you've played your best football yet? Give the Y
on more year like NDamukong Suh did for Nebraska. Yes, different position, but
he really dominated all year...we havn't seen that from Harvey yet. I realize that much of that relies with Anae, that being said, it may be in
your best interest to bolt since he doesn't recognize where his strengths are
and didn't go to you nearly enough.
He would not get drafted. He would get picked up as a free agent and not make a
team. Big mistake to go pro right now for Unga. If he declares for the NFL,
this years Las Vegas bowl will be the last time he plays Football.
I'm glad he'll be eliciting the advice from some professionals rather than us
"experts."He's gotta do what's right for him.What was
right for Tim Tebow? To stay in school and be the BMOC and be "the best college
player ever." Likely he'll do little in the NFL and go straight into coaching or
inspirational speaking.What's right for Unga? Only he can decide
that.Personally, as a Utah fan, I'd like to see him in the NFL ;)
true, and none of the U q-backs have thrown 5 INT's, fumbled, and ran their
Harvey is a good back and will make a good back in the NFL because of his size.
As far as school goes he has been around long enough that he will probably
graduate this year. He has been with the program since 2004.
Unga doesn't have close to the speed needed in the NFL. I can't believe he is
even considering it. He'll need to bulk up and play fullback in the NFL. He's
not even a 4-6 round pick. I'd be shocked if he got drafted and I'm a cougar
I have seen several interviews of Staley and he is happy he went. He knew he
was fragile and had a high likelihood of being undraftable after his senior
year. He got to play in a preseason game. He didn't make a ton of money, but
he did get paychecks from the NFL. Harvey isn't as fragile as Staley was, so I
think Harvey is a wash if he is not guaranteed 1st-3rd round (he won't be).
Then, it is just his risk tolerance and need for cash.
I thought it was Chris Burgess (who initially chose Duke over BYU but later
transferred to Utah) that Roger Reid said let down 8 million Mormons and the
You try running the ball 2 billion times for almost 3400 yards over 3 seasons
and see how long you last. Harvey takes a beating, and he has handled it all
quite well.None of the U backs have done that yet.
You don't owe the fans or school anything. Get good advice and do what is best
for you and your family.If you do come back, do it for the 4-year
degree and not a shot at winning the MWC or getting into the BCS. There is no
chance that the Y. beats TCU in Fort Worth with a new quarterback next fall, and
beating Utah or Florida State on the road is probably not happening either.
Who says he'll even get drafted if he decides to leave school? He is a pretty
decent college player but I'm not convinced he could make it in the NFL.
Well, Utah Fan, therein lies the rub -- he WON'T be a late 1st or 2nd round
pick. I would guess a mid-round pick, out of the guaranteed money. So a major
injury means no guaranteed $$. I don't see him having the speed to be an NFL
TB, nor the durability or blocking ability to be an NFL FB. So, another year in
Provo may not improve his draft status, but it will be easier to land a decent
post-football job with a degree in hand....
Re: Utah Fan. There's ZERO chance Harvey will be a 1st or 2nd Round Draft pick.
Mark my word. No way. I'm a Cougs fan and Unga fan, but the reality is he'll be
a mid-round draft pick (4-6 round) at best! If I lose this beat, I'll turn over
my over-priced mortgage to you! Go Cougs! Still wish they were coming to Sunny
I think he should test the waters. Get a feel for what the NFL scouts say about
his game. It depends on how well he does in his pro day. The injury bug will
bite him wether he is in the NFL or MWC but no one will know, only time will
tell. I do believe school and education are very important. But even if he is on
a NFL practice squad he will bring in around 7k a week. His education would be
around 8 or 9k to finish depending how far away he is from graduating, point is
one week on a practice sqaud (that means he actually is not a a NFL roster) can
pay for his education. There is plenty of time in the summer to finish up that
degree. Whatever Harvey decides to do I will support him. All the posters
including myself can't say what he does will be right or wrong because we would
never even sniff this tremendous opportunity. Good Luck Harvey, take is to OSU
He better stay . I know Tonga passed Lego's 3 and his Barney puppet
class but I don't know if he is eligible for the post season , let alone next
year. Better come back and help those blue blooded Ute haters. Wouldn't
want you to have any treasures on earth when you can have all of those treasures
in heaven via Bronky and his coaches "The Fireside Five".
Dude, I cheered for you for the last 3 years. I gave you my loyalty along with
1000s of others. Where's the loyalty to your fans and school?
Yes money comes and goes. But where and how it may come and where it actually
goes in securing a family's future is the concept that probably matters to Unga.
I remember when many a cougar jumped on the Roger Reid train about
Shawn Bradley letting down 8 million Mormons. However many Mormons or more
Cougar fans to be more specific, are telling Unga not to leave BYU hanging next
season, think it about the relative situation completely. It may be
in Unga's best interest to stay another year in Provo. Who really knows? It's a
tough decision, one that will include advice, yet still one that carries no
guarantees either way. The Staley comparison is not really
comparable is it? Two BYU RBs is more or less it. Personally, I see
Harvey Unga as a great MWC and BYU RB but not one who will excel at next level.
As with Pitta, it takes different physical abilities to flourish in the NFL than
the ones these two (Unga & Pitta) have used to be BYU greats.
Just in response to all of the previous comments, yes Luke Staley had a very
unlucky pro career. And while you all make good points on staying another year
and finishing school which is great. And he may impress the NFL scouts even more
next year, especially with Max Hall leaving so i'd imagine that they'll run the
ball a lot more next season. But there's also a chance of him getting seriously
hurt next season which would destroy his chances of going pro. If he gets word
that he will be a 1st round or early 2nd round pick i'd imagine he'll decide to
go. It would be stupid to stay another year after the career he's already had.
You don't want to risk losing everything you've accomplished. Of course, me
being a Ute fan, i'd like to see him go so we don't have to play him anymore. He
is one great runner
Yeah. I don't think guys like Sean Smith and Paul Kruger benefited much from
switching positions at Utah did they!Naive Cougar fan. Truth is
Unga would have been a terrific LB, and when it comes to playing at the next
level, his chances to have a long NFL career would be much better at LB than RB.
Not quick enough to be an every-down back in the NFL. But would be a heck of a
What? Lucky. Please you crazy Ute fan..... He is leading rookie receiver.
Desevres props. Love your Hatred for the Y. Dork... Unga ought to Go to NFL in
my opinion because he might get hurt worse. Take the money while you can. BYU
just restock and reloads because they are getting all the recruit the Utes wish
they had. LOL...GO, Take the money and hope you don't get cheap shots on the
ankles like the Utes like to give everyone. Cheap Cheap Cheap Utes........ I
feel just like MAX HALL>>>>>>>>
The very reason he should bolt now is because of his injury issues. Staley did
the right thing. Yes, he got injuried in the NFL and didn't get the big
paycheck he hoped for, but seeing how often he was hurt in college, why do you
think his senior season would have been any different? Had he stayed and gotten
hurt again, his chances to get in the NFL would have been even worse. Injury
prone players just don't suddonly get healthy. He has nothing left
to prove at BYU. Much like Collie last year. He comes back next year with a
new QB, new FB, and 2 new TE's. Not to mention a team with an entire new front
7 on defense, and road games at TCU, Utah, FSU, and Washington at home.Just say no Harvey. Get the payday now.
Take the cash. He is at a point where he is not going any higher in the draft
next year. It is too risky. Take the money and run.
Why run the risk of a major injury playing one more year of college ball when he
has already proven that he can play well. Go when the going is good. Take the
money and run Harvey run.
Anytime there is a story like this, "...weighing options, etc.", it's basically
adios to the player in question. Choosing between $$ and risk of injury +
homework/classes, etc. is no choice for these kids. Unga is good, but he
doesn't have the durability or the speed to get around the corners for the MWC
let alone the NFL.
Money comes and money goes, but an education is for life.
if he had gone to the yewts, he would have been a linebacker instead of the most
prolific running back in the history of the conference. Good thing he went to
the Y. This should be a lesson to all those high schoolers that your dreams can
be fulfilled at the Y, but not with the yewts.
My advice Harvey, STAY IN SCHOOL! Think about it, look at those who came out
early, Luke Staley comes to my mind. Here is a PRIME EXAMPLE example of what can
happen when you come out early! Staley a back up with the Lions never had a
chance because of injury, and he wanted "Money" which he really never got.
Opportunity lost? If he stayed in school he could have gotten healthy been able
to gain MORE YARDS, impress the NFL even more, gotten drafted HIGHER, played
more, made more, and still be playing if he so desired! Sure think of your buddy
AUSTIN COLLIE, fact, he is EXTREMELY LUCKY, he hasn't been bothered much by
injury, he fell in when someone else went elsewhere, someone else got hurt, and
they HAD TO USE HIM! I still think he will be out of the league in less than 5
seasons! Why, he didn't stay in school the extra year and mature. I think if he
had stayed, BYU might have helped his career, another season to IMPRESS, another
opportunity to have his stock go up, and more cash in his till. PLEASE STAY IN
SCHOOL AND GRADUATE!
Give me a break! I'm a big Cougs fan and bigger Unga fan, but get real. This guy
can't even make it through a MWC season uninjured. Look at where coming out
early got Luke Staley-- als on an injury-proned runner? If I'm an NFL scout, I
want to see if Unga's body can withstand at least one more year in the "mighty
MWC" injury-free. I'm guessing the NFL hits a tad harder than in the MWC.
Harvey, please stay around for your senior year and get the ol' body toughened
up for what I hope is a successful NFL career ... in due course!