Non-BCS schools invited to little card table in the other room

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  • Nikki the Utes fan in Virginia
    Dec. 14, 2009 7:22 p.m.

    Ok so all of you that think Boise State really has a right to play in any BCS bowl game you are crazy. If Utah of any other team played there schedule they would be 12-0 too I mean comon they play UC Davis for crying out loud. That is not a real schedule at all. And all of this BCS talk started really getting attention last year when Utah was the only 12-0 team and what did we get the Sugar Bowl. There needs to be a playoff system and until they is there will not be a true national champion. I 100% agree with this article and as a Utah fan I hope TCU wins so the MWC will get some more respect. Oh ya and Coach Wittingham is the best coach in the MWC no question.

  • Cougar Cindy
    Dec. 10, 2009 11:02 a.m.

    re: Non-BCS Championship--

    Great idea! Only don't call it that... Call theirs the Eastern Championship, and call ours the Western Championship. We can't change things by whining, but we can refuse to play the semantic game, as many others here have suggested. We can just stop using the term BCS and refer to it as eastern, then strengthen our own bowl system, and in time they may be begging to play us.

    In other words, Ignore the BCS. There is no national champion until there is no more than one undefeated team.

  • Funny Article
    Dec. 10, 2009 9:00 a.m.

    We need to hear more often from Mr. K. He tells it like it is.

  • Johnny Moser
    Dec. 10, 2009 7:51 a.m.

    Hail the Golden Domes. They are one of the few teams that have a worse bowl record than BYU. Go Cougs.

  • Eric
    Dec. 9, 2009 9:58 p.m.

    I have a BS rom BYU and a MA from Texas. So, I am thrilled that Texas is in the BCS championship game. Are they the best...or were they just dang lucky? (I lean toward luck.) TCU and Boise State got the shaft! But Doug Robinson has hit the $ on the head. It's all about the greedy BCS folks not wanting rain on their parade. I currently live in Ohio and can tell you that Ohio State wants nothing to do with a playoff system. They are a BCS darling. Why would they want to change?

    If the Mountain West was a BCS conference, this board would be a lot quieter.
    All that said, I am 100% in favor of a playoff system that would crown a legitimate champion every year!

  • Re for bowl game
    Dec. 9, 2009 7:36 p.m.

    How many Utah quarter backs have one a super bowl ring as a starter? Buller, buller, buller

  • Mr. BYU
    Dec. 9, 2009 7:33 p.m.

    To: Mr. Complain of 10:19 Dec 8:
    You bet we are going to complain!

    Those of us in the non-BCS conferences want TWO opportunities to beat up on a BCS school in a quality BCS bowl game! We don't want to beat up on each other because that doesn't prove anything to the BCS about belonging with "the big boys".

    Many of us feel that TCU could beat ANY of the BCS teams this year so we should have the opportunity to do just that!

    All we really want is a fair chance to have a playoff and decide who is best on the field. Is that too much to ask?!! Or at least let the best undefeated non-BCS team play the best BCS team for the championship...plain and simple! Why do computers have to decide this crap?

    So, those that believe like you do have their head in the sand!

  • Steve
    Dec. 9, 2009 6:32 p.m.

    You got it right, Doug. TCU vs. Boise State doesn't allow the non-BCS teams to prove that they can whip the BCS teams, so we're stuck with arguing about it.
    Here's my top 6: 1. TCU 2. Alabama 3. Florida 4. Boise State 5. Cincinnati 6. Texas

    Because my #1 (TCU) is playing #4 in the Fiesta Bowl, I will look at TCU as the national champion, unless they lose.

    The offenses in the Texas-Nebraska game looked like two teams playing their first game of the year. I think that TCU, Utah, BYU and Air Force would have beaten Texas and Nebraska on Saturday night.

  • BYU
    Dec. 9, 2009 6:19 p.m.

    I agree...after several 10-win seasons, Bronco and BYU should be invited to BCS just as Lavel and BYU was given NC after winning WAC and going to Holiday Bowl year after year.

    Not fair. Bronco is a better coach than Kyle. He won more gamesin 5 years.

  • jann
    Dec. 9, 2009 4:49 p.m.

    i think the bcs is a real farce. It seems like the same teams always make it in and the ones that deserve to be there arent. I think it caters to certain conferences.

  • For Bowl Game
    Dec. 9, 2009 3:39 p.m.

    How many RBs and WRs from the Y have gained 1,500 yards rushing or 1,500 yards receving in a NFL season.

    It is a sound of silence since it is zero, the U is one of the few colleges to have a form U alum in the NFL do this (carolina panther WR currently and the 2 Andersens - Mike and Jamal did this in the past) I forgot, the Y cannot recruit these type of players since they blame it on their values which produces mannered players like Collie and Hall who respect other's and dont speak evil of others

  • Bowl Game
    Dec. 9, 2009 3:11 p.m.

    BCS, Utah 2 BYU O
    National Titles BYU 1 Utah 0
    Cotton Bowl Wins BYU 1 Utah 0
    14/1 season BYU 1 Utah 0
    Holiday Bowl appearances :)
    Vegas Bowl Y 5 Utah 1
    Heisman Trophy x
    Outland Trophy x
    Doak Walker x
    Top 25 finishes 4 strait, Utah has 4 total
    It gets embarrassing after a while trying to even compare the two programs. Utah has had 4 good seasons period!!!

  • SEC #1
    Dec. 9, 2009 3:03 p.m.

    What is the problem? TCU got in a BCS bowl game, now thats not good enough. They need to play for the NC, why? did they go through an 8 game SEC or Big 12 schedule. No! What makes them so worthy because Utah beat BAMA last year that u guys keep talking about like its was the greatest win in history of football. It was a good win (which helped the Tide more than anything)So u guys want a 16 team playoff. What if TCU was 17th, then u guys would whine it was another conspiracy against the MWC. It's always going to be something if u don't get in.

  • Re: Oh my Heck
    Dec. 9, 2009 1:56 p.m.

    you ask "Gee utah fans, how does it feel to have been undefeated twice and never won a national championship?"

    I answer: 2 undefeated seasons in 5 years feels great! No college team has ever 'won' a national championship. Some teams have been awarded one, some haven't. Undefeated twice in 5 years feels awesome!

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 9, 2009 1:42 p.m.

    I can see how LDS at BYU feel a little snubbed and unable to benefit like the BCS teams in the cash distribution. Life isn't always fair. Students who don't go to BYU pay tithes but have to turn around and pay high tuition at other schools not subsidized by tithing funds. It all works out in the wash.

  • College Football Bailout
    Dec. 9, 2009 1:36 p.m.

    Here's an interesting thought I had...

    Yeah, it sounds stupid but the Government might have to bail the BCS out of itself before it fails. Well, we didn't expect to see so many banks fail either. The BCS has been rewritten and amended just about every year it has existed. The committees in congress have already been looking over legislation for a long time about this before what happened today. The Government may get controlled somehow by the greedy powers out there and the BCS won't be allowed to fail. I hate this but it's probably true. This is a poor analogy but when we realize that many of the BCS dollars come indirectly from the taxpayer (it's a stretch so I use the word indirectly), it works. Will truth and justice prevail? Or will the BCS survive and get worse while the noise against it gets louder?

    Just as our Government used to serve a purpose and be credible, the college football postseason used to actually prove something. Now, both are all about shady money deals.

  • re: Heck
    Dec. 9, 2009 1:17 p.m.

    "One NC = 1,000 BCS bowl games that are not for the NC."

    Ummmmm. . . . just wanted to point out that there was NO NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME PLAYED IN 1984!

    Does your equation refer to pre or post BCS national championship games? Are you referring to the monetary value of the bowl game the TDS played in 1984 vs. the payout of the Fiesta Bowl (2004) or Sugar Bowl (2008)? (even in 1984 dollars) A little explanation would clear up a lot of confusion. DOH!

  • MWC Game of the year.
    Dec. 9, 2009 11:51 a.m.

    Hey, to you Ute fools who mock (but shall mourn) about BYU rushing the field after beating you on an awesome play, here is what ESPN said about the game, naming it the MWC game of the year (oh yeah they also mention Hall's stupid comments after the game):

    "Game of the Year: BYU 26, Utah 23 OT, Nov. 28

    Even though there was no championship on the line, BYU and Utah fought like there was and created one of the best games of the season. BYU quarterback Max Hall found tight end Andrew George for the game-winning touchdown in overtime, but Hall’s post game comments about Utah will probably be what folks remember most about the game."

    Note: I don't think all Ute fans are fools, like Hall. Only the foolish ones who make stupid comments or do stupid things are fools. Most Ute fans I know personally are awesome people. Also, the BYU-Utah game is probably almost always the MWC game of the year. So it is ALWAYS the most important game to win for EITHER school.

  • BYU fan in NY
    Dec. 9, 2009 11:44 a.m.

    Its understandable that Utah sportwriters get jacked up about this. If BYU and Utah can get on the inside, then their programs will become more valuable, then covering the more valuable sports programs might become more valuable, and then Doug Robinson could get a better yearly raise.

    The outsiders want to change the rules until they get on the inside. They are not really after perfect peace and harmony and unity and equality. If a playoff was enacted to give access to the non-AQ's, will the MWC, WAC, Sun-Belt, etc. going then jump up and down to let more outsiders join D-1 so they have to split their money up further?

    I doubt it.

  • Nenaderthal
    Dec. 9, 2009 11:31 a.m.

    YearTotal Bowl PayoutBCS Percentage


    BCS "take"$1,832,012,000.0088.68%

    Total Bowl Game payout$2,065,961,000.00

    Enough said??

  • Oh my HECK
    Dec. 9, 2009 11:23 a.m.

    ...utah has played in 2 BCS bowl games and Kyle was named coach of the year. Oh dear oh dear what are we as BYU fans to do??? How can we possibly withstand this onslaught of greatness from the little brothers up North?

    All we have is that we've beaten utah 3 of the last 4 times, we made Kyle get all depressed and cry after the rivalry game this year, we've had four seasons in a row of 10+ wins, a NC, a Heisman, a Doak Walker, more conference championships than utah, etc etc. Woe is us.

    One NC = 1,000 BCS bowl games that are not for the NC. A BCS bowl game that is not for the title is just another bowl game only with a bigger pay out. Unfortunately, that point is being driven home in spades with the TCU/BSU matchup.

    Gee utah fans, how does it feel to have been undefeated twice and never won a national championship? BYU did it on their very first try.

  • MWC Man
    Dec. 9, 2009 11:20 a.m.

    A football playoff would be the most effective way to establish a legitimate national champion and end all of the contention (BUT THAT WOULD MAKE TOO MUCH SINCE). A Playoff system is in place in Div 1-A, Div II, and Div III. The NCAA Division II playoff bracket consists of 32 teams and NCAA Division I could and should do the same thing.

  • re: equitable
    Dec. 9, 2009 11:07 a.m.

    "The fighting Irish never have cracked the BCS & probably never will."

    Ummm....actually they already have played in BCS bowl games. Twice. And lost both of them.

  • Joe from GA
    Dec. 9, 2009 10:52 a.m.

    Only one game matters...the championship game! All the other bowls are just post season scrimmages. They don't matter at all. The NCAA has a tournament system for every sport except football. All sports and teams play by the same rules except football. Every conference should have champion, every champion plays in a playoff system for the national title. Conferences like Conference USA, the WAC, Sunbelt, Mid Amrica and all the other wanna be division one conferences should have their own playoff system. There needs to be another division for the smallers programs that are currently clogging up the system. SEC, ACC, Big 12, Pac-10, Big East, Big 10, and Mountain West should play for the top division. 8 Conference champs, 3 playoff games and one ligitimate national champion! And Notre Dame has to join a conference!

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 9, 2009 10:50 a.m.

    I haven't forgotten BYU's win over the UTEs - brings a smile to my face every time I think about it.

    BSU could beat TCU. BSU has a great quarterback and a good team. BSU isn't as good as last year and TCU is better. TCU beat BSU last year and the score was closer than the game. BSU had better be ready.

  • Yes Hail TCU
    Dec. 9, 2009 10:23 a.m.

    TCU dominated both Utah and BYU, both ranked teams.

    Utah worked over #1 Alabama last year in the Sugar bowl. Utah almost beat #7 Oregon this year.

    TCU belongs. They should be in the Sugar, if not the title game. Boise should be playing Florida in the Fiesta.

  • John Harvey
    Dec. 9, 2009 9:56 a.m.

    I can't wait to see all of your responses when Boise State beats TCU.

    I agree it would have been better for the non-BCS teams if Boise State and TCU where not playing each other, but I think the Boise State/TCU game is going to be a very good/enjoyable one.

  • Hail TCU?
    Dec. 9, 2009 9:50 a.m.

    Why is everybody so sure that TCU is right up there with the best teams? They're good, but what makes them that good? Do they have a signature win? A 3-9 Virginia team and an 8-5 Clemson team? Come on! To say that TCU adn Boise ST are entitled to a shot at the championship game is to say that two runners wtih the same time both deserve the gold medal, even if one guy is running on a downward slope. You can't compare them so stop trying.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 9, 2009 9:34 a.m.

    Roll Tide/Rise and Shout/Go Utes | 8:42 a.m. Dec. 9, 2009
    Doug, your comment "and you thought Max Hall hated Utah" is further proof that Utes appear unwilling to rise above the gutter and show the Y what class is.


    "Utes are unwilling to rise above the gutter"?

    WOW and I thought it was only Max Hall who hated Utah. It seems its the entire Zoob Nation.

  • equitable?
    Dec. 9, 2009 9:25 a.m.

    How is the BCS unfair?

    Utah (twice), Boise (twice), Hawaii, & now TCU have all met whatever caveats placed before them.

    The thing about the BCS that is 143% bogus are the "exceptions" for Notre Dame (Where's Robert Langdon when you REALLY need him?).

    The fighting Irish never have cracked the BCS & probably never will.

  • SEC Home | 7:17 a.m.
    Dec. 9, 2009 9:23 a.m.

    The problem with your argument is that the two best schools are NOT playing. Alabama, arguably, deserves to be there, but Texas is not one of the two best schools in the country...they're not even the best school in Texas.

    Prove otherwise.

    You can't.

    A playoff is the only answer to this mess.

  • Collin
    Dec. 9, 2009 9:08 a.m.

    If we concentrate on just one sponsor, then maybe we can make a statement. I think we can boycott Tostitos. There are plenty of other chips out there. Pass the word along: boycott Tostitos.

  • SEC Homer...
    Dec. 9, 2009 9:02 a.m.

    Good call, since your tide pools got crushed by Utah last year, why not let you play for the asterisk championship this year. We will never know how good the SEC really is because you never play anyone else...AND you never travel to the west coast. I wonder why?

    If you are really that good, take your game on the road and play out west...what's the matter, too scared?

  • cheese with that whine?
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:59 a.m.

    I would like to get some cheese from somewhere to go with all of the whining from the state of Utah, especially Deseret News "reporters". I'm sure the Fiesta is willing to lose all sorts of money just to prevent a non BCS school from beating a BCS school. Don't you see that flies in the face of your main argument.....that it is all about making money? Would the Fiesta Bowl lose money and still try to make money? Pretty illogical, right? Boise and TCU was the best matchup they could put together to MAKE MONEY. PERIOD. END OF STORY. And oh yeah, I like cheddar.

  • The Truth
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:56 a.m.

    The truth is the SEC, The ACC, The Big 12, The Big East, and The Big 10 don't want the smaller schools like TCU and BSU to roll them and expose them for not being as great as everyone thinks they are, like Utah did to Bama last year. So the BCS just lets TCU and BSU beat up on each other, and then tell us that we should be happy that they even let both teams in. Its wrong, and if you Bama and Texas fans think your teams really desrve that title and the other unbeaten teams don't. Well you're just living a lie. enjoy.

  • Re: SEC Home
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:54 a.m.

    You obviously are blinded by your power happy conference. Yes, the SEC is the best conference, but there are teams who deserve a shot at the NC. You are as naive as your BCS friends. The two best teams may be playing, but you don't really know because there is no playoff. Did you forget Utah creamed 'Bama last year. You so called elite people have excuses everytime. I guarantee BSU and TCU could compete with Bama and Texas. Rankings are based on biased humans and computers, not truly by play on the field. Please do explain how BCS system is better than a playoff?

  • Non-BCS Championship
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:50 a.m.

    Everyone need to quit grousing about the Fiesta Bowl and recognize it as the Non-BCS National Championship Game! BCS has their championship game between the best of their conferences, and have made every effort to keep non BCS conferences out. But now they've put the two Non BCS undefeateds in the same bowl game, and the press is proclaiming TCU and BSU capable of beating every other team in the nation (See Predictions 101 on NBC Sports), so it must mean the Fiesta Bowl is a Championship Game! Let's promote it as such and make it so!

  • Mike
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:49 a.m.

    SEC Home, are you delusional? You need to get Goldberg to check you out.

  • Myth Busters
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:46 a.m.

    The big conferences have somehow convinced everyone they play superior football and if they play Boise or TCU that myth will be busted!!!

  • strugling
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:46 a.m.

    to find an answer as to why someone like sec home would say that the 2 best teams are picked correctly. hmm I am think we shouldn't even play football. We allready know who the best conferences are and the best teams. It's all on paper. WOW the last time I checked the only way you can determine if a team is a champion you let them play the game. Look at March madness probably the most watched sport during that time frame. Don't know the numbers so pardon my lack of knowledge but it certainly draws a crowd and makes a lot of money. And imagine that they don't use paper (or computers) to decide the NC. People that make comments about those whiners whining about the BCS, probably never played the game or even understand what being part of a football team is like. Their just happy their team is there unfairly. I myself are skiping all the BCS Games this year. Might as well sick of the only drama being which team gets snubed this year.

  • RE:BYU not given a fair shot
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:45 a.m.

    Kyle Whittingham Coach of the year 2008 in 2/3 polls. The Other , Nick Saban who was throttled by Coach Kyles Utes in the Sugar Bowl.

    Bronko hasn't even sniffed a BCS bowl and has not put a muzzle or shown any concern about a loud mouthed player that is a black eye for the entire church.

  • RE: SEC Home
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:43 a.m.

    Seriously you couldn't be more wrong. Look, the truth is TCU would roll, Texas or Bama. You know the BCS isn't fair. So stop living a lie, and stop tell us that the MWC and the WAC should be greatful for even getting into the BCS. Both teams deserved rightfully to play in the BCS and TCU should be playing in the National Title game. The BCS is a fraud and you know it.

  • Roll Tide/Rise and Shout/Go Utes
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:42 a.m.

    Doug, your comment "and you thought Max Hall hated Utah" is further proof that Utes appear unwilling to rise above the gutter and show the Y what class is.

    I just did a quick survey here in my office. The only fans who "love" Utah were the two Auburn fans and one Tennessee fan. The remaining fans (all with Crimson banners hanging on their door, or office wall) congratulate the Utes for a game well played. None of the fans questioned "hate" Utah (as your statement implies).

    Why don't you use your position of influence to help quell the over-the-top savagery that the BYU-Utah game has become, instead of putting on your red sweatshirt and fanning the flames.

    Shame on you.

  • Utah fans remember UTAH
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:25 a.m.

    Had a 2 game series with Texas for the 2008-09 season. WHO backed out. UTAH. So don't tell be no one will schedule MWC conference opponents. UTAH would have been drilled by Texas last year or any year. PERIOD.

  • Tuffy Parker
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:22 a.m.

    Two things:

    1)Trying to figure out if SEC Home 7:17am really belives the nonsense he's spouting or if he also believe Brian David Mitchell is incompetent to stand trial.

    2)I wonder if the Nebraska kicker has any idea of the angst he's created with then non-BCS conferences and fans and in creating a faux "championship game"...

  • BigRed
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:21 a.m.

    Funny how the Citibank ad pops up right in the middle of the article. Great coordination there!

  • Re:Anonymous
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:21 a.m.


    Utah 2 BCS
    BYU 0 and still chasing

  • RE: SEC Home
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:19 a.m.

    You make the correct point with your idiotic comment SEC Home. You are only assuming that Texas is one of the best two teams in the country. How can you know for sure? Your comment only confirms the travesty of this system. NOBODY KNOWS, until you play the game!!!!!

  • SKB
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:16 a.m.

    @SEC Home

    Thank you for your opinion, because that is all it is, an opinion. Without a playoff it will always be subjective when determining who should play for a fictional "National Championship".

    As your moniker is "SEC Home" it doesn't surprise me that you think an SEC team should automatically be included in a fictional "National Championship" game. Enjoy it while you can pal. The tide is coming in (no pun intended) and the BCS will eventually be washed away. A 16 team NCAA playoff will happen. The momentum is too strong to stop now.

    So enjoy your fictional "National Championship" this year. There will be precious few BCS champions in the future. Fortunately for the rest of us, there will be a true NCAA National Champion.

  • Al
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:14 a.m.

    The BCS system is in place to avoid having a team like the 1984 Y team win the NC. No one wants to see a undefeated team struggle to beat a 6-5 team by a score of 21-17 and call themselves NC. Strength of schedule is a criteria for the polls due to the 1984 situation also

  • Goosefraba....Goosefraba
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:12 a.m.

    I say we should change up the conferences and every school west of the Mississippi will be in a Western BCS . We will decide by a fair elimination process and then our western BCS champion will take on the eastern BCS champion and Citibank,Fed EX and all the others can pay equally both western schools and eastern schools and then everyone is happy...Goosefraba

  • Re:BYU not given a fair shot
    Dec. 9, 2009 7:57 a.m.

    I am with you.
    Bronco is a much better coach than Kyle.
    He deserves a BCS bowl invite just like Lavell deserved the NC in 1984.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 9, 2009 7:53 a.m.

    It didn't overshadow the game for me!

    BYU 26-Utah 23. Scoreboard, baby!

  • SEC Home
    Dec. 9, 2009 7:17 a.m.

    I can't believe the amount of complaining about the BCS. They actually get it right: the best two teams in the country playing for the national title. That is what it is. Every other BCS game is a large parting gift of millions of dollars for having a great year.

    BCS games other than the national title mean nothing. Just be grateful that two mid majors made it to collect their $10 million dollars, play a good game if they really care to really play, and have a nice vacation in a nice warm city.

    As for the national title, the best two schools from the best two football conferences are battling it out for the national title. The BCS works in determining the national champion.

  • re: Conspiracy?
    Dec. 9, 2009 7:03 a.m.

    Interesting how you stated that the "top two rated teams play each other for the BCS National Championship..."

    rather than the two BEST teams play for the National Championship?

    If this works so well in football, why don't we do this in basketball?

    Your first clue about how messed-up the BcS is is this:

    The computers don't even consider margin of victory in their secret formulas. For the computers, there's absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between:

    Alabama beating Florida by 50 points on the road...
    Miami beating Florida by 1 point at home...

    Why is Texas playing in the NC game when Texas isn't even the best team in Texas?

    And before you BCS/Texas elitists get on your high horse: PROVE that Texas is better than TCU!

    Any objective observer who's watched both teams play this season would tell you that TCU would beat the tar out of Texas.

    Compare BYU vs Oklahoma, Texas vs Oklahoma, and BYU vs TCU, and then explain why you think Texas is better than TCU.

  • BYU not given a fair shot
    Dec. 9, 2009 6:41 a.m.

    of going to BCS. Year after year, BYU has won at least 10 games. This year they lost only 2 games --one to BCS bowl team, one to FSU.
    BYU deserves a BCS game by now.
    After all, BYU did win a NC in 1984.

  • Eugene
    Dec. 9, 2009 6:27 a.m.

    What sport in the country year in and year out is ALWAYS connected to the words "sham", "unfair", "monopoly", "money", "polls", etc. Only BCS football!

    What sport hires a high priced marketing company to try and mask over these "words". Only BCS football!

    When will all this end? In just . . . one . . . word . . ., "playoff".

    If we do that, all the other "words" disappear and are replaced with "fair", "true", "champion", etc. NCAA should want to do this, but they have sold their souls to the BCS devils.

    It's up to the fans, arise and revolt!!

  • Cougarf@n
    Dec. 9, 2009 6:21 a.m.

    After watching Texas need a bevy of questionable PI calls and a long last second field goal to put away mighty Nebraska (not to mention they barely beat Oklahoma), I do not believe they are even close to the second best team in the nation. The Big 12 is not that great this season and so Texas is probably going to get smashed by Alabama, but any undefeated team from the SEC or the Big12 is automatically in the NC game regardless of which patsies they played OOC. After watching Nebraska's D-line destroy McCoy, what do you think TCU would have done to him. Boise State and TCU got robbed by this arrangement and everyone knows it. TCU would have beat any team they played.

  • re: Conpiracy?
    Dec. 9, 2009 6:10 a.m.

    Actually, if I'm reading the BCS selection procedures correctly, the rub is that the Orange Bowl selected Iowa over both Cincinnati and Boise State, followed by the Fiesta Bowl picking Boise State over Cincinnati and ending with #3 Cincinnati being the LAST team picked for the BCS bowls by the Sugar Bowl, which passed on them to take Florida with their replacement pick.

  • Chris Crowe
    Dec. 9, 2009 5:35 a.m.

    "In reality, it's a shameless, transparent attempt to avoid a matchup between college football's upper class and the peasants."

    THANK YOU for your proper use of 'transparent.' I'm sick of seeing it used as some sort of synonym for 'honest.' Thanks,too, for slamming the BCS-ites for their hegemony.

  • Mike
    Dec. 9, 2009 4:56 a.m.

    Doug will never stop complaining until the Y makes it to the BCS NC game with 2 losses in a season. Tell the Y to start recruiting more African American 4 and 5 star recruits like Texas, Florida and Alabama does.

  • What isn't right:
    Dec. 9, 2009 4:51 a.m.

    If TCU beats Boise State, they have proved nothing. They were supposed to. Big deal!

    If Boise State beats TCU, then the pathetic WAC Champion beat the lowly MWC Champion. Who cares?

    The BCU powers played this out brilliantly. TCU can beat Cincinati, Texas, Florida, and certainly Iowa, and Oregon. And they get Boise State?!?

  • Al
    Dec. 9, 2009 4:41 a.m.

    Doug, you need to go back to college and take a class in creative writing class since you are a one trick pony who only knows how to bash the BCS system.

  • Conspiracy?
    Dec. 9, 2009 1:06 a.m.

    The BCS bowl team match-ups aren't what you think.
    First, yes the top two rated teams play each other for the BCS Natinal Championship.
    But the other bowls get to pick one team, then the next bowl picks, etc. until all BCS bowls have picked twice.
    The Fiesta Bowl passed on Iowa and picked TCU. TCU is higher ranked. By the time they got to pick again Boise St was the only really god team left.

    I agree. I won't be watching many bowl games this year. They are mostly yawners.

    I am interested in the UofA and Nebraska game.
    But then again, the Pac-10 is historically poor in bowl games. Especially CAL and Oregon.

    Oregon St/BYU might be interesting. BYU gets to play a better school this year. The top 4 or 5 PAC-10 schools are pretty equal and beat the snot out of each other this season.

    Funny... the BCS was suppose to solve the "who's the real national champion". It has made things worse. Get rid of the BCS and let the bowls pick the best teams they can get.

  • Millions gone,great for BCS
    Dec. 9, 2009 12:55 a.m.

    By putting TCU & Boise together that means that the other 3 BCS games will get more attention & monies.They don't want 2 non-BCS's teams in 2 BCS's games, they might beat a Alabama or a Flordia, how would that look for football gods.They should have put TCU vs Alabama & Boise against Ciny,Texas or Florida.Two wins for the nons & 2 for the BCS,they don't want nothing to do with that sirnario.Each BCS bowl pay out is in the millions, they don't want it going to non BCS's.By putting TCU & Boise in same game it saves there bacon,thats why it's all rigged,all about the money. Utah was the national champ last year & TCU this year.Again the BCS got it wrong,at least the bowl monies will get divede up where they want it keeping TCU & Boise in same game,system works in there book but not mind, MCJ

  • Big 12
    Dec. 9, 2009 12:01 a.m.

    has once again found a spot in the NC game and once again they will give another trophy to the SEC so that next year we will once again have a 1, 2, 3 in the polls be the SEC or Big 12 unless of Course Ohio State or USC are hot.

  • Re; Yawn whine | 11:35
    Dec. 8, 2009 11:49 p.m.

    Your right. Every other sport at every level from 5 year olds to professionals have it all wrong by having a playoff and deciding a true champ.

    Tell texas or Bama congrats on being "paper champs".

  • BCScam
    Dec. 8, 2009 11:37 p.m.

    The National championship in college football doesn't always produce a true champion.
    19 times there were 2 teams crowned as NC.
    9 times the NC was selected while losing their bowl game.
    In 1984 BYU beats a 6-5 Michigan in the only NC game ever played in december. Major changes followed.
    In 1997 The AP, which had voted Notre Dame No. 1, took a second vote, giving the national title to Michigan after its 49-0 win over USC in the Rose Bowl.
    In 2004 undefeated Auburn and Utah were left out.
    In 2008 USC, Texas and Utah were also left out. This got the attention of the US president.
    In 2009 TCU vs Boise St. to avoid BCS teams losing more credibility.
    The NCAA football NC has been a sham from the beginning and still is today.

  • Yawn whine
    Dec. 8, 2009 11:35 p.m.

    Put up a consistantly rated team that makes its way up to one of the top two spots and you to can play in the NC game. Otherwise just whine and complain about the big bad bullies that wont let you have what they have.

    Bama and Texas. The top two ranked teams. Winner takes all. All the rest whine.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 8, 2009 11:24 p.m.


  • *Yawn*
    Dec. 8, 2009 10:40 p.m.

    Face it: you can never legitimately call someone the "national champion" if you don't give everyone a shot at the title. You can call them "champion of the BCS conferences" or "champion of 50% of NCAA Football Division 1 conferences" or whatever other name you can come up with...but not national champions.

    It's kind of like baseball; how can you win the "World" series when you don't play teams from around the "world"?

  • Kentucky fried chickens
    Dec. 8, 2009 10:36 p.m.

    TCU and BSU need to throw down the gauntlet and challenge Cincinatti and Florida to play them instead of each other. Geographically, TCU v. BSU and Cincy v. Florida makes sense. But the non-AQ conferences are getting robbed of a chance to prove themselves against the so-called "big boys". Welcome to the Big Chicken System. Brrrrrrrrrck brrrck brrck brrck! Oh wait I fogrot - the SEC is so good that their worst team would beat the MWC's best team by 50 points. Right.

  • complain
    Dec. 8, 2009 10:19 p.m.

    people love to complain. This article is a perfect example. I'm guessing if the BCS national championship game had TCU and Boise State you'd complain that they put the two in the same game so one would loose? They'd have only one NON-BCS winner! Give me a break. These two played last year in a competitive game settled by 1 point! Maybe, just maybe they mean what they say! It's funny how two non-bcs teams made it and guess what... people still complain! Let's have a playoff so you can complain about seeding, or the number of teams, or, or, or...

  • Ok by me
    Dec. 8, 2009 10:17 p.m.

    "MISTER K: Not only that, but the Cougars will be playing Oregon State, one of the hottest teams in the country and one that came within a touchdown of going to the Rose Bowl."

    So if we win it'll be that much sweeter.

    GO COUGARS!!!!!

    Dec. 8, 2009 10:13 p.m.

    We need a national boycott of the BCS by any and ALL non BCS team fans. I for one will NOT watch any of the games except perhaps the BSU/TCU game.