Charters are an experiment gone bad that are just duplicating services already
offered.I'd like some reporter to dig up the numbers on how much
charters are costing the state.Don't give me the garbage that they
save us money.We are paying for two buildings, two secretaries, two
principals, two janitors, etc.
"All charter public schools receive fewer funds per student than non-charter
public schools."And I don't know how many times I have typed this on
these boards, but Charters were promoted to the public 10 years ago as being
able to do more with LESS. That is a huge reason why the public bought into
Charters. As a taxpayer, I EXPECT Charters to continue with this and quit
Alpine, Nebo, and Provo districts worked together with other interested parties
to create the charter for the Utah County Academy of Sciences, so it is only
natural that they would consider UCAS a partner rather than an adversary.
Representatives from all three districts as well as UVU sit on UCAS's board. I don't know how many times I have typed this on these boards, but
charter schools are PUBLIC schools.All charter public schools
receive fewer funds per student than non-charter public schools.
"I think there should be more flexibility given, not just to charter schools,
but to traditional public schools also,"Thanks Brian Allen. I
finally agree with something that you have to say.
What I hate about charter schools is that people act like they are putting their
kids in private school and develop a very snooty attitude.Reread
your words: "I will never put my kids in public school again. My kids hated
them. But they flourish in their Charter schools."I was expecting
that you moved your kids to private school, but alas, it was a charter school.
Private schools charge TUITION. Public schools are funded by the government.Charter schools ARE public schools. So quit acting so high and mighty
that you chose a different public school for your kid. Lots of people do that.
The only thing we need to do to improve charter/public schools is make a law
that says if you choose to go to a charter school, you must stay there for at
least two years.We keep getting kids that enroll at the charter
because their parents are having problems with getting the kids to attend
school. The truancy court gets after them so they move to a new school. Once
they build up enough truancies at that school, they move on again.We
also get several that transfer to a charter, realize it isn't what they thought
it was going to be, so then they come back.It is a mess for the
registration, funding, and teachers involved.If you choose to go,
you must stay!
"Charter schools still get about $500 less per pupil than the state average."Does anyone have the exact amount that charter schools receive or the
state average? Many Districts in Utah are below the state average on funding
and are actually receiving less per pupil than the charter schools.
I hate to inform all of you Charter-lovers, District-haters of this fact;
yesterday at my daughter's 10th grade registration meeting they listed Utah
County Academy of Sciences as a possibility for high school. This was at an
Alpine District middle school and the paperwork was from 2 District high
schools. The Districts do not "hate" Charters. They do hate the
apparent transient nature of some of the Charter School parents. You know the
parents who enroll their child in the Charter then decide it is not right and
enroll them back in the District school until they can get into another Charter
and then repeat the whole process until they either run out of Charters or
Top schools in the county? Utah is below average in test scores and ranks 51st
in the nation...behind Puerto Rico for per pupil funding for education.I'll never put my kids in a public school again. My kids hated them. But
they flourish in their Charter schools. Their environment and their education
are soooooo much better at Charter Schools.
Charters were strictly a Republican invention that the left wanted nothing to do
with. Obama went completely against his people in support of them. They were
designed to offer a way to put parents in power instead of teachers and unions
over the schools. They also were designed to shame or compete with the
socialized school system. You got to remember that the Republican party has
always been a party against public schooling. They are supporters of private
works not public ones.We also do not lead the nation in anything we
want to lead in statistically educationally speaking. Even some stats that our
lauded are very misleading when you look at teh statistics closer. How about
that nice graduation stat? Well, it is a middle of the pack stat for white
students nationally. We just have fewer minorities leading to an overall
greater 'impression' of our success without actually being more successful. We
do an okay job in Utah educationally.
What are you talking about? Charters came from the left.Who cares
what this group thinks? It is exactly these types of groups that we are trying
to get away from. When some group starts grading our schools, we need to just
say, "keep us off your list". If we don't, pretty soon some group starts
complaining that we aren't getting an A grade so we need to change this and this
and this. That is what got us into this mess in the first place.Utah should be telling the rest of the states how to run their schools not the
other way around.We have some of the top schools in the country,
both public and charter.We are leading the nation!
Despite the opposition from teacher's unions, the Utah State Education board
and many from the left, Utah's charter schools have proven that choice based on
the individual child and progressive thinking can cause lead to great
success.Students are not just "another brick in the wall" and students stuck in
poor performing schools can find a better, self-determined future.
Charter schools are a great option, but I would love to see Public schools get
more of a say in how they work either individually or as a school district to
set higher standards, and adjust operating procedures.