Group lauds Utah's charter school laws

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  • Anonymous
    Dec. 11, 2009 10:56 a.m.

    Charters are an experiment gone bad that are just duplicating services already offered.

    I'd like some reporter to dig up the numbers on how much charters are costing the state.

    Don't give me the garbage that they save us money.

    We are paying for two buildings, two secretaries, two principals, two janitors, etc.

  • Do more for LESS
    Dec. 9, 2009 9:58 p.m.

    "All charter public schools receive fewer funds per student than non-charter public schools."

    And I don't know how many times I have typed this on these boards, but Charters were promoted to the public 10 years ago as being able to do more with LESS. That is a huge reason why the public bought into Charters. As a taxpayer, I EXPECT Charters to continue with this and quit whining!

  • mom of five
    Dec. 9, 2009 9:46 p.m.

    Alpine, Nebo, and Provo districts worked together with other interested parties to create the charter for the Utah County Academy of Sciences, so it is only natural that they would consider UCAS a partner rather than an adversary. Representatives from all three districts as well as UVU sit on UCAS's board.

    I don't know how many times I have typed this on these boards, but charter schools are PUBLIC schools.

    All charter public schools receive fewer funds per student than non-charter public schools.

  • Thanks
    Dec. 9, 2009 9:24 p.m.

    "I think there should be more flexibility given, not just to charter schools, but to traditional public schools also,"

    Thanks Brian Allen. I finally agree with something that you have to say.

  • Re: Charters are great
    Dec. 9, 2009 12:24 p.m.

    What I hate about charter schools is that people act like they are putting their kids in private school and develop a very snooty attitude.

    Reread your words: "I will never put my kids in public school again. My kids hated them. But they flourish in their Charter schools."

    I was expecting that you moved your kids to private school, but alas, it was a charter school. Private schools charge TUITION. Public schools are funded by the government.

    Charter schools ARE public schools. So quit acting so high and mighty that you chose a different public school for your kid. Lots of people do that.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 9, 2009 11:46 a.m.

    The only thing we need to do to improve charter/public schools is make a law that says if you choose to go to a charter school, you must stay there for at least two years.

    We keep getting kids that enroll at the charter because their parents are having problems with getting the kids to attend school. The truancy court gets after them so they move to a new school. Once they build up enough truancies at that school, they move on again.

    We also get several that transfer to a charter, realize it isn't what they thought it was going to be, so then they come back.

    It is a mess for the registration, funding, and teachers involved.

    If you choose to go, you must stay!

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 9, 2009 10:11 a.m.

    "Charter schools still get about $500 less per pupil than the state average."

    Does anyone have the exact amount that charter schools receive or the state average? Many Districts in Utah are below the state average on funding and are actually receiving less per pupil than the charter schools.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:08 a.m.

    I hate to inform all of you Charter-lovers, District-haters of this fact; yesterday at my daughter's 10th grade registration meeting they listed Utah County Academy of Sciences as a possibility for high school. This was at an Alpine District middle school and the paperwork was from 2 District high schools.

    The Districts do not "hate" Charters. They do hate the apparent transient nature of some of the Charter School parents. You know the parents who enroll their child in the Charter then decide it is not right and enroll them back in the District school until they can get into another Charter and then repeat the whole process until they either run out of Charters or energy.

  • Charters are great
    Dec. 9, 2009 6:27 a.m.

    Top schools in the county? Utah is below average in test scores and ranks 51st in the nation...behind Puerto Rico for per pupil funding for education.

    I'll never put my kids in a public school again. My kids hated them. But they flourish in their Charter schools. Their environment and their education are soooooo much better at Charter Schools.

  • @Anon 10:52
    Dec. 9, 2009 5:51 a.m.

    Charters were strictly a Republican invention that the left wanted nothing to do with. Obama went completely against his people in support of them. They were designed to offer a way to put parents in power instead of teachers and unions over the schools. They also were designed to shame or compete with the socialized school system. You got to remember that the Republican party has always been a party against public schooling. They are supporters of private works not public ones.

    We also do not lead the nation in anything we want to lead in statistically educationally speaking. Even some stats that our lauded are very misleading when you look at teh statistics closer. How about that nice graduation stat? Well, it is a middle of the pack stat for white students nationally. We just have fewer minorities leading to an overall greater 'impression' of our success without actually being more successful. We do an okay job in Utah educationally.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 8, 2009 10:52 p.m.

    What are you talking about? Charters came from the left.

    Who cares what this group thinks? It is exactly these types of groups that we are trying to get away from. When some group starts grading our schools, we need to just say, "keep us off your list". If we don't, pretty soon some group starts complaining that we aren't getting an A grade so we need to change this and this and this. That is what got us into this mess in the first place.

    Utah should be telling the rest of the states how to run their schools not the other way around.

    We have some of the top schools in the country, both public and charter.

    We are leading the nation!

  • Progressive educ. succeeds
    Dec. 8, 2009 6:58 p.m.

    Despite the opposition from teacher's unions, the Utah State Education board and many from the left, Utah's charter schools have proven that choice based on the individual child and progressive thinking can cause lead to great success.Students are not just "another brick in the wall" and students stuck in poor performing schools can find a better, self-determined future.

  • caring mom
    Dec. 8, 2009 6:53 p.m.

    Charter schools are a great option, but I would love to see Public schools get more of a say in how they work either individually or as a school district to set higher standards, and adjust operating procedures.