Scott D. Pierce: Maybe we've all been wrong about The Mtn.

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  • Ryan J.
    Nov. 15, 2009 3:52 p.m.

    Crediting the Mtn for the recent success of the MWC is one of the most intellictually dishonest assertions I have ever heard. Really, oh really? Because I am pretty sure the reason the Utes weren't ranked higher last year in the AP poll was because NOBODY SAW THEM PLAY ON NATIONAL TV! Same thing goes for this season. The Mtn is a joke and should be scrubbed ASAP, and the MWC should negotiate a deal with ESPN.

  • Success Not MTN FAULT
    Nov. 2, 2009 8:56 p.m.

    Where the MWC is not due to the MTN. It is due to the fact that Utah has gone undefeated twice, and knocked out some big opponents. It is due to TCU and BYU knocking out Oklahoma, and TCU almost going undefeated a couple times. They just might do it this year. That is why there is respect. If the MWC was on ESPN, Utah may have played in the Championship last year, or finished one or two more notches higher. It was still the championship team in my opinion since it was the only undefeated team!

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 1, 2009 8:24 a.m.

    MWC coverage? I thought I was watching the local high school senior film students practice filming "grown up stuff". Who cares about the ESPN deal, what about the fans who have to jump through hoops just to watch the worst quality broadcast you'll ever see. And how bout those ridiculous commercials in between? Are those put on by local wards and branches? I'm glad the rest of the world isn't watching, they'd be laughing with the rest of BYU's ranked opponents. Get a grip MWC and enter the 21st century already.

  • DennyG
    Nov. 1, 2009 7:39 a.m.

    The only people in the United State, Europe and the Pacific Rim that want to watch BYU play live in Utah County.
    The Mountain West and the WAC don't get coverage because they're LOCAL support is all they have.
    SC, ND, FSU, Texas, OU, Neb. all of them have fans everywhere. Living on the East Coast members of the Church here don't even support BYU athletics. For those of you living in Happy Valley, don't kid yourself, you're all alone in this.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 31, 2009 6:27 p.m.

    Weak stuff, TCU os the only MWC team to look impressive

  • LBench Hall
    Oct. 31, 2009 10:27 a.m.

    Hall needs to spend the rest of his time at BYU "riding the old pine". He time is done and we need a winner not a whiner for QB.

    Oct. 31, 2009 9:55 a.m.

    Two things that most people don't realize about BYU ATHLETICS----
    1-The head coach is always required to be a young mens president or a young womens advisor first a foremost(to the students they are coaching).
    2-The standards requirement,combined with the state of Utah,cuts their recruiting success in half.

    Do I dislike BYU or the state of Utah because of these facts? NO, I LOVE THEM BOTH.

  • Hall and Lavell
    Oct. 31, 2009 8:11 a.m.

    First and foremost, Lavell Edwards is the greatest coach to ever grace the halls of BYU. Hall on the other hand is a fair quarterback. I would like to see Riley Nelson get a shot.

  • Optimist
    Oct. 31, 2009 1:30 a.m.

    Most students only remember hearing about the the sex scandal off campus by a very few, all together at one time, one night in one of the players apartment.

    They never heard or don't remember the day,that we went to cal Berkley and killed them with a 32 point margin win when our Athletic director was head coach there and got fired at the end of that season.

    They never heard or they don't remember the pressure from Larry King of Larry King Live to have his wife's brother be the starting quarterback when Crowton thought someone else was better.

    They never heard or they don't remember that the fired head coach,from Cal Berkley, a former player for the cougars, was hired by BYU as Athletic Director

    They never heard, or they don't remember that Norte Dame came to lose to the Cougars at Lavel Edwards Stadium, and before the end of the successful win, it was announced to the stadium that Crowton was fired.

    I want to remind you that before the outside pressure that took all of his time, Crowton was a genius of a coach bringing BYU to #5.

  • LaVell
    Oct. 31, 2009 1:02 a.m.

    I loved LaVell Edwards, and was close to the program during the nineties and stadium or not Coach Edwards was not hands on when it came to recruiting or the honor code. Most non-LDS athletes did not fully understand the honor code. Most likely that was unintentional, but it was the truth. Bronco has taken a more hands on no nonsense approach to clean living, academics, and football. Say what you want, but its the truth.

  • Val
    Oct. 30, 2009 9:29 p.m.

    I really like the MTN. We are getting so much more exposure through the MTN. You can watch so many sports on the MTN. I just wish that the MWC would have at least 5-6 games a year on ESPN. The MTN is a great network, we need to help it grow. I just wished DISH would realize what they are missing out on by not carrying the MTN. They have such a better programing that Direct-TV. Lets all get DISH to carry the mountain and it will grow.

  • re: re: Lavell Edwards 9:42am
    Oct. 30, 2009 6:28 p.m.

    I'll agree with your comment when Bronco gets a stadium named after him.

  • to: someone who can read...
    Oct. 30, 2009 6:16 p.m.

    ... from someone who can think.

    I'm a Cougar fan and have been for a long time. I, like many others, was offended by what Bronco said about the football education level of the fans. Yes, Bronco has done well and has pulled BYU out of the abyss of the Crowton era. But a head coach should never criticize the fans that support his team and make it possible for him to have a paycheck whether the fans are right or wrong in what they are saying.

    As for murmurings: Bronco is not only a victim of his own success, he is also a victim of setting very high expectations and conveying that to the fans. He has said and/or continues to say things like a national championship is our goal; quest for perfection; when we execute our game plan no one can stop it; our goal is to get this program to the next level; there were 27 easily correctable assignment errors. I think Bronco needs to talk less (stick to standard coach-speak stuff) and just focus on being a head football coach.

  • Someone who can read
    Oct. 30, 2009 5:20 p.m.

    LaVell wasn't "criticizing" Max, so the reference to Mendaenhall's comment on the folks who call talk shows from inside of Utah, has no bearing.

    LaVell was giving a key to the game. Turnovers when playing a team like TCU mean more of their offense and less of BYU's which results in a loss for the kids in Blue and white.

    And has anyone else noticed that Collie is actually doing well for a rookie wide receiver in the NFL. Maybe his quote was accurate, you work hard live a decent life and OMgoodness, good things might just happen to you.

    Funny, I can remember some of these same sounding murmurings when laVell was coaching and Norm Chow was coordinating the offense... BYU is predictible, no excitement, lame...retire LaVell, fire Chow..."

    Sometimes fans just don't know when to appreciate success. Maybe if some of you would stop betting on the final score you would be better able to deal with the results. ;-)

  • nodiggity1990
    Oct. 30, 2009 4:27 p.m.

    dont hate cuz you cant duplicate!

  • Bronco the Hypocrite
    Oct. 30, 2009 3:36 p.m.

    Bronco can belittle the fans all day long for being frustrated with turnovers. But Bronco himself stated that they are focusing, as a coaching staff, on protecting the football. I wonder why the Coach would worry about Turnovers. Huh, that seems strange. I thought that Bronco criticized fans for being frustrated with Turnovers. Hello Bronco! Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth. It is obvious that a critical key to winning games is protecting the football. No, all those interceptions in the Utah game last year didn't hurt BYU at all. Wake up Bronco!

  • Most of you are idiots
    Oct. 30, 2009 3:10 p.m.

    Give an idiot a keyboard and see what happens... for all of you who don't like the MTN network.. you are idiots.. we now see most of the Football Games and B-Ball games, and well as coach interviews and special programs. How much did we see on ESPN? One game every few weeks, if then, in football, and B-Ball starting at 10:00PM once a week.(one game only). Support the MTN! Buy from their advertisers. They are trying to put the best product on TV they can with limited funds. HD is coming, and as they continue, they will get better. Coverage across the country is driven by demand, which will always be limited for our conference and teams. No way ESPN is going to show multiple Mtn West games on the East and West coast in prime time. ESPN is packed with multiple annoying announcers and they have a budget that blows away the MTN. Quit being an idiot, and a whiner, and think this situation through... Idiots for bashing Whittingham, Mendenhall, Stanford etc. What these coaches do with a fraction of the budget of the big boys is amazing. you are idiots...

  • Hall 6th String????
    Oct. 30, 2009 3:08 p.m.

    I don't think so; for all his faults, he has already been All MWC QB 2 times in 4 of his years of college. You can count the Ute All MWC OB's and their championships on one hand in their entire history.

  • I'm starting a fund....
    Oct. 30, 2009 2:34 p.m.

    To buy the Mountain some HD cameras, and hire operators that can follow the football. Does anyone remember when the NHL put a blue highlight on the puck so the viewers could follow it? Maybe we can do the same thing for the MTN camera operators. How awful is this channel? Not to mention the crap announcers. Geez, and this is what we have to look forward to.

  • bigutefan
    Oct. 30, 2009 2:07 p.m.

    Just read all the comments, some were pretty funny. The truth is Max Hall was the sixth string quarterback at Arizona State. He transfered, and fell into place at BYU. But he is in a system that allows him to rack up huge stats, but do we really know if he is good? I wouldn't be surprised to see whoever wins out the QB race next year in Ynerville to put up the same similiar stats. The MTN has some issues, but living outside the state, it provides almost every game on television. While I can't stand all the former Yner players as commentators, it is nice to be able to see the games and on game days like Saturday. HD is needed, badly! GO UTES!

  • Green Acres
    Oct. 30, 2009 1:33 p.m.

    Way to take Bronco's comment out of context, Scott.

    Leave it to someone who is educated in using words and making his living based on writing in the English language to completely miss this concept. You're now ready for the main-stream media.

  • Oregoncougar
    Oct. 30, 2009 11:09 a.m.

    Bronco is not the greatest coach. Anae is below average. Jamie Hill is below average. Our recruiting is about as good as it is ever going to get, and GUESS WHAT...we don't get the best athletes every year.
    But, I love Bronco for what he stands for and the standards he appears to strictly enforce on the team. I would take that and a losing record, rather than a national championship and rape/porno/alcohol allegations against the players.
    BYU does pretty well for what we have. Better play calling will give us an extra win each year. We have to get lucky to get a good defense. 1984 produced three/four long term NFL defensive players. When will that ever happen again? Max Hall is a good player, not a great one. He doesn't have the heart of a lion(Detmer). Bronco/Max needs to work on inspiring his team DURING THE GAME. We get behind and we look dead. BYU teams of old always believed and played like they could score every possession. We can only consistenly beat the good teams who have great athltes if we play 4quarters of inspired football. COACHING does that.

  • re re: Lavell
    Oct. 30, 2009 11:02 a.m.

    I hope you feel dumb about your comment, obviously you never saw the talk given by the BYU football player who said Lavell told him in their initial interview that the most important thing beyond BYU football was the way he would live his life while at BYU in representing himself there. I guess you forgot that when Lavell was done coaching his wife and him went on a mission as well almost right away. Good one and way to judge a legacy and coach based on a few bad instances over a 20-25 yr period compared to Broncos 5 years. Think twice before your so quick to judge again.

  • mike the man
    Oct. 30, 2009 10:55 a.m.

    the writer is a great and noble man, he is full of honor. he didnt sign the TV contract, he is just trying to make the best of a less thatn favorable situation. he is a gentle, soothing man. everyone needs to get a jamba juice and calm down a little :)

  • Great Exposure
    Oct. 30, 2009 10:49 a.m.

    Last week if your a BYU fan and half the country doesn't see you get embarrassed because of Direct TV's dispute with versus, or if you are Utah and struggled with airforce. If you are TCU it kills you!!!

  • mtn?
    Oct. 30, 2009 10:43 a.m.

    Have you listened to the uneducated ridiculous announcers? BYU, Utah, TCU, Air Force, Colorado State, Wyoming, SDSU, New Mexico--Leave when you can!!

  • The teams
    Oct. 30, 2009 10:36 a.m.

    Mentioned survie in spite of the Mtn. not because of it! Your analysis is deeply flawed!!!!!

  • re: treyville
    Oct. 30, 2009 10:36 a.m.

    "...with Pitta neutralized and Max trying to avoid forcing the ball, he hit the sod. THe INT he threw was obviously not his fault."

    What?? Did you even SEE that play? Hall through the pass quite a bit BEHIND Kariya who had to reach way back while running full speed and ended up tipping it high in the air for an easy pick. It also appears that even if he hadn't tipped it the ball was going directly to a TCU player anyway.

    A BYU senior QB who is still flinging passes behind his receivers has a problem that has never been corrected.

  • Ha!
    Oct. 30, 2009 10:35 a.m.

    The Mailman rules! Still laughing.

  • LaVell must be an Uneducated Fan
    Oct. 30, 2009 10:32 a.m.

    That "uneducated fan" comment will live in infamy, right along side the Collie quote.

    If you want to have a profession in sports, you better prepare for some unqualified criticisms, especially from your own fans. Brian Johnson dealt with it, Whittingham dealt with it, and NEVER did you hear them speak out against it. Max and Bronco both need to grow up some and get some thicker skin.

  • labman
    Oct. 30, 2009 10:22 a.m.

    the defense is OK, the quarterback is OK, the special teams are sub-par. the offense is intermittent. How did we get hood-winked into thinking this team was great? an early win over OK.
    I do agree that maybe we need more imagination in the game and less of precision and position mastery.
    the NFL is full of the best players and position mastery, but the passionate team, the team with the inovations ususally wins. I think there is more to Broncho than the public gets to see;perhaps he needs to let his team and paying public see him get excited, upset, frustrated, and angered occasionally. not every play, but once in a while so we can feel his passion and know it means as much to him as it does to the rest of cougartown.
    OK took BYU lightly and it cost them. passion, attitude, and a couple of plays made that game. That is what was lacking from the TCU game. At least when the old BYU got down 21 points, I would say, 'that's ok, we can score quickly and come back and win this thing. I can't say that with this team.

  • hindrifrog
    Oct. 30, 2009 10:21 a.m.

    i will tell you what's better about mtn....

    no thursday nite games

    tcu did miserably on thurs....2 years in a row

    its a coin toss really...throws everything outta wack

  • Earth to Scott, come in Scott...
    Oct. 30, 2009 10:20 a.m.

    "So the telecast from outside LaVell Edwards Stadium was down about 12 percent from the season average. I wouldn't be too quick to blame that on the setting, however." - Scott Pierce

    Uh, yes Scott, that is exactly the reason it was down. It was BYU-TCU and not USC-Notre Dame or Florida-Alabama or Texas-Oklahoma. Why would you or anyone think BYU-TCU would be a bigger draw than those other big matchups? I'm a big Cougar fan but let's be realistic about this, ok?

  • To The Whiners
    Oct. 30, 2009 10:18 a.m.

    First off, if it wasn't for the MTN we'd see maybe 3 or 4 BYU games a year. And they'd be at odd times unless we brought back the Blue and White Network, in which case folks outside the MTN's footprint wouldn't see them at all. Other teams in the MWC would be on even less. So carpers can call the MTN a "joke" but for folks who don't have tickets to LES, or live too far away it's a huge benefit. If the MTN ever goes away, we'd better get used to listening to all the games on the radio or internet. Because most won't be on TV outside the Wasatch Front. And maybe not even there.

  • Mtn.?
    Oct. 30, 2009 10:18 a.m.

    I don't have the Mtn? How are the Cougs and Utah looking this year? Just curious...I guess I'll watch Louisiann Monroe at Tennesse Tech on ESPN U.

  • Why Scott is wrong...again
    Oct. 30, 2009 10:08 a.m.

    Memo to Scott Pierce: The MWC hasn't gotten "great" exposure and recognition due to The mtn. deal. Far from it. We have gotten great exposure thanks to playing AWAY games against AQ-BCS teams which were televised by ESPN.

  • CougInColorado
    Oct. 30, 2009 10:06 a.m.

    How 'bout attempting to show why or how the Mtn. has had the positive effect you claim? I can't imagine any college football fan, maybe one whose team is not being broadcast elsewhere and so is just looking for a game, being excited to come across a Mtn.-produced game on a Saturday afternoon when up against the production value of ESPN, Fox, or a network.

  • wiss
    Oct. 30, 2009 10:05 a.m.

    to the author:
    The MTN is great for watching in-conference games and following the other teams. This doesn't mean much for football because it is a three-team conference with the rest just acting as dead weight. I follow SDSU, UNM, WYO, and UNLV much more on the MTN when basketball rolls around because there are more quality teams and games in hoops.

    But the MTN is bad for recruiting purposes in the major sports. Kids love the idea of playing on ESPN, or any other national station that people actually watch outside of the region. I guarantee you that coach Whittingham is not using the MTN as a selling point to potential recruits. Like it or not, the best athletes will want to play on the biggest stage and the MTN does not provide that stage. Poor overall product that I hope will somehow grow.

  • Texas Cougar
    Oct. 30, 2009 9:57 a.m.

    The MTN is great for BYU fans outside of Utah. I get to see most of the BYU games on Satellite and most the games are on Saturday.

    If the MWC had a contract with ESPN, then only some of the games would be on national TV (the others would be local on KSL) and many of the games would not be on Saturday.

    I LOVE The MTN!

  • Reason
    Oct. 30, 2009 9:49 a.m.

    Man, some of you need to take a breath and relax. First, what do you think we would get with an ESPN contract? Do you think BYU would be on TV every Wednesday night just because Boise State is right now? BYU would be splitting Wed and Thur night games with Utah, TCU, Boise, and every other mid-level team. And why do you care so much about the lame commentating on the MTN? Just watch the game already. A more useful complaint would be the lack of HD. Second, Bronco is way more animated and emotional on the sidelines than LaVell ever was. Bronco is just stoic in front of a microphone. And third, are you really calling Bronco a cancer because BYU can't get rid of him because of his success? Seriously? Since when has success been considered a bad thing?

  • RE: treyville
    Oct. 30, 2009 9:46 a.m.

    Yo Trey, brah. Where have you been?

    Did you miss the '09 Las Vegas Bowl?

  • re: lavell edwards
    Oct. 30, 2009 9:42 a.m.

    Bronco is the best thing that happened to "Y" football. Not only does he have a higher winning percentage than lavell, but he actually promotes the standards and personal benefits of living the university standards; rather than sweep them under the rug. With all due respect to Lavell, it was something he was never able to fully accomplish.

  • Cougarf@n
    Oct. 30, 2009 9:41 a.m.

    I really don't see any correlation between the MTN and the success of the MWC. Frankly, I think it's great that in spite of the terrible TV deal, the MWC teams have managed to be ranked. C'mon is right on, it's about better coaching and recruiting. If there's anything good that's come of the MTN deal it's been that our teams have been able to play games generally on Saturdays rather than during the week, but whatever good comes of that has been far outweighed by the bad IMHO. The lack of distribution is troubling.

  • MIke is Right
    Oct. 30, 2009 9:23 a.m.

    How much do HD cameras cost? I can't stand to watch another MWC game when the picture is worse than local high school game broadcasts.

    Come on, mtn. HD, please?

  • Mailman
    Oct. 30, 2009 9:16 a.m.

    What has MTN did that ESPN not do?

  • nottyou
    Oct. 30, 2009 9:13 a.m.

    No, we've been right about The Mtn all along...Blur-O-Vision at its finest! It's a terrible production and the talent isn't quite talented enough.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 30, 2009 9:11 a.m.

    I spit in the general direction of the Mtn.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 30, 2009 9:09 a.m.

    I always repected Alex Smith, he will have a great NFL career.

    Oct. 30, 2009 9:00 a.m.

    The MTN has been great for us nonUtah BYU fans. In the past I was lucky to see 3 games a year on ESPN. Now I see all but the VS. games and that won't last forever. I too get annoyed by the announcers but at least I am seeing the majority of the games. Which is way better than it used to be.

  • jmw
    Oct. 30, 2009 8:59 a.m.

    Here some kleenix. I am glad to at least be seeing mountain west conference sports.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 30, 2009 8:51 a.m.

    Naw.... The MTN is awful

  • MIke in Texas BYU Fan
    Oct. 30, 2009 8:48 a.m.

    The biggest problem from my perspective is that the MTN hasn't yet gone HD. Most of the other networks are broadcasting in that format. I hear that MTN is working on that. Even so, it won't solve the problem unless all carriers, ie. Direct TV, Dish, the cable companies all broadcast it in HD

  • treyville
    Oct. 30, 2009 8:42 a.m.

    Max Hall is easily one of the greatest QBs ever to come through byu's program.

    Last week's debacle againstt TCU had very little to do with Max Hall. In reality all TCU needed to do last week was neutralize Pitta, which they did well. Byu's receivers are slow and could not for the life of them get open. Hall's O-line couldn't defend against a 4-man rush, and with Pitta neutralized and Max trying to avoid forcing the ball, he hit the sod. THe INT he threw was obviously not his fault.

    Has max's interceptions really cost byu any games besides the Utah game of last year? No.

  • Satellite Subscribers
    Oct. 30, 2009 8:31 a.m.

    The big losers in the current tv deal are the satellite subscribers.

    I'm a Directv subscriber. I missed a number of games when Directv was not showing The Mtn during negotiations. I've missed several games this season since Directv took Vs off the air during contract negotiations. Then again, I also missed Jazz games last season for the same reason.

    My Directv contract expires April 11 of next year. I will be switching to the evil cable company on April 12. At least if I had Concast I would not miss any games.

    Nice work, Directv. Way to drive loyal customers like me away- I've been a Directv subscriber since 2001 & am looking forward to dumping them. And quit blaming everyone else for your bad programming decisions.

  • Spiff
    Oct. 30, 2009 8:23 a.m.

    The Mtn. would not be so bad if there were not so many former BYU (KSL) announcers and players doing play by play and doing the color commentary.

  • TV deal
    Oct. 30, 2009 8:16 a.m.

    Truth is the television deal with the MWC is absolutely horrible for anyone living outside of the conference area. I live in Atlanta and in order to watch games on the Mtn. network I need to have DirecTV, but in order to watch the games on Versus, I need to be a subscriber to Comcast. The conference is alienating it's fans who are further away and also alienating any type of consistent national audience.

  • Hopeful BYU Fan
    Oct. 30, 2009 8:13 a.m.

    BYU's problems are not Max Hall or the defense. It boils down to coaching. BYU is not a talented enough team to compete on a standard grind it out way. Put a loittle creativity into the play calling and the defensive sets and you will see a major improvement in the outcome. There is also no excitement in the coaching staff. We need the excitement in our coaching staff that we saw in Coach Patterson and his coaches at the TCU game. His players knew he was in the game with them. Coach Mendenhall appears to think that a show of emotion is a bad thing.

  • I agree
    Oct. 30, 2009 7:09 a.m.

    with all comments, the MTN is a joke, getting rid of the ESPN deal was the biggest mistake made. I cannot stand the announcers on the MTN, if I wanted the EQ president to announce the game I couldve gone to his house to watch the game, I dont want to see it on TV from a wannabe ESPN announcer. The sideline coverage is a joke too. Lavell said it himself the key to BYU not losing these huge games is who??? MAX HALL... I cannot sit here and blaim MAx though even though I would like a consistent QB and not consistent VS only teams like UNLV, our D speaks for itself, provo high could put up 30 pts VS us. BYU is hurting from a lot of different angles right now in general, its not pretty.

  • C'mon
    Oct. 30, 2009 7:02 a.m.

    Do you really think the Mtn has anything to do with Utah, BYU and TCU's recent success? MWC success can be directly attributed to upgraded coaching:
    1- Meyer/Whit vs McBride
    2- Mendenhall vs Crowton
    3- Patterson vs Franchine

  • lavell edwards
    Oct. 30, 2009 4:42 a.m.

    It is so clear that Max Hall is the number 1 reason that BYU has all those losses the last 2 seasons. I didn't realize that the wonderful Bronco had made that comment about educated fans. That is a classical trait of denial - attack those you don't agree with, rather than give a rational argument for your opinion.
    I trust Lavell a lot more than Bronco. Remember 1984? Bronco leaves a lot to desire and that includes showing HE is educated.
    We fans in Provo, on average, are a lot more EDUCATED than Bronco. He was supposed to be an interim head coach, but success has left this cancer in Provo. Time for him to go.

    The Mountain is fine. We get a lot more games televised than would be otherwise, so yes, it is a good thing for this conference.

  • Bill
    Oct. 29, 2009 11:38 p.m.

    If all this is happening with the little exposure the conference gets imagine what would happen if the Mountain West was able to regularly play on ESPN.

  • Exposure?
    Oct. 29, 2009 10:52 p.m.

    vs. and the mtn televise a few games, the teams play the game and get respect. I vote that TCU, Utah and BYU join the PAC 10(13). The mtn TV deal IS a joke. It is hit and miss on what games you can watch. Quality is unbelievable. And if you win the conference you are guaranteed to play the 6th place team from the PAC 10.

    These are all things to look forward to. Raw, raw, raw!!!