When you say THEY, you are generalizing something that can't be generalized.
THEY were a different set of people in a different time in history. If you
can't see that scientific knowledge and understanding improves over time, then I
guess we should have stopped before we got to the Earth is round. Why learn
anything, or try to apply what you've learned?It doesn't surprise me
that Gore's going to profit from this. (From what I understand, he also has a
huge carbon footprint.) But to say that because Gore stands to make money from
global warming, therefore global warming is false, is another weak argument.
Gore may have brought it to our attention, but he's a former politician, not a
scientist. His self interest doesn't falsify research. By the way, as far as
money goes, there's a lot of money going into opposing climate legislation from
the oil/gas and business interests.
Hey, nice job spinning that! So even though they were WRONG about the climate
change 20 years ago (because they just didn't have enough information), you
choose to sit here today and scream that they are right now? According to your
theory, maybe they'll find new, better information and in fact find that the
earth is cooling again... As for me, I believe it is all about the money. Who
stands to gain (a ton of money by the way) if cap and trade passes? Oh, one Al
Gore. Who by pure chance happens to be in a video about how we are all going to
die if we don't do something. Last question, why does Al Gore have the rights
to sell "carbon credits"? Isn't our environment? If they are going to make
business' pay, shouldn't we get a cut? I could use a little extra cash. Maybe
I'll start producing and selling carbon credits from my home.
Men with the best scientific training...yeah why believe them?All packed
for the RAPTURE?
I am grateful that these medical professionals are speaking out about the
dangers of the man-made part of climate change. The “Earth smoking”
analogy is a good one.Our legislators appear to be abysmally
ignorant about science. Our schools must indeed do a better job of teaching
science. Our future depends on it.To those who want to turn this
into a political fight: Mother Nature has no political party.
To say that because 20 yrs ago scientists warned about cooling means that they
are wrong today about warming ignores the fact that scientific understanding
improves over time, and data sets become more inclusive. No one in this forum
is more qualified to say global warming is false than one of these doctors is to
say it is real. The real arrogance here is not that humans think
they can cause global warming, but that you people think you know more than
scientists who have studied this for decades. For those of you who
think this is all about liberal fascists, lets not forget the GOP nominated as
their top guy for the presidency a certain someone who believed in global
warming. That doesn't even take scientific research to uncover. It does,
however, require a basic ability to pay attention, which most of you clearly
lack.If you people actually cared about your freedom, you'd start
growing your own food. This is a solution no matter what side you're on.
Instead, I'm guessing you'll be howling at town hall meetings about green nazis.
When I told my father I was moving to Utah he said "Are you mad?" At the time I
was ignorant of the type of individuals who inhabit this state - I'll not bother
with his opinion (you might imagine what might be in what I believed was his
ignorance at the time). In fact I do now think he was pretty much right - the
comments against those intelligent / well-meaning individuals - the inability of
you astounding stupid ideologues to realize that major scientific institutions
all over the world are in agreement are telling you makes me want to vomit.It would be one thing to say the more knowledge the better but the
political paranoia I see in many of the comments is wholeheartedly disgusting
and puerile. Instead of saying lets take this advice in the context that is
given and grant that there are some uncertainties - why don't we plan a series
of future risk strategies to follow from worst to best and as the climate moves
in whatever direction we will follow that which is best.
Doctors should stick to the ER.
What are we going to do? Sound the alarm. Help! Help! Take my money to keep the
climate from changing. Quick! Take it all! Maybe that will help! Let's live in
tents - no, the climate can't handle us making tents. What'll we do!???
If you want proof that the earth is warming and that CO2 is increasing, go to
the NOAA. CO2 IS a greenhouse gas. That is a fact. CO2 is increasing. The earth is warming. Those that are stating
the earth is cooling have provided no references. Therefore it is just talk.If you think that mitigating CO2 emissions will cramp your style, wait
to see what a 5 deg inrease will do.
Global warming is politically motivated propaganda. Of course we need to
take care to recycle, work toward clean air and water, and conserve our natural
resources, honestly, I can't imagine that many people would disagree with that.
In many schools children are taught that global warming is a fact without
fair exposure to opposing views on the situation, teaching them that the "end is
near", even if we all do what the GW crowd preaches, I for one don't appreciate
the scare mongering aimed at our children. Legislation as a result of
Global warming preaching will cause far more devastating and long lasting to the
health of our country's society and our children's future.
RE:THANK YOU.My observance of people like you is that you spout off
about the sky is falling issues, then forget to care for your own. Nine out of
ten of you fit this category. Someone a lot wiser than us all is in complete
control of the weather and for a greater and wiser purpose than we all
understand. NO HUMAN ON EARTH CAN CHANGE IT!!!!
Coming from someone that consults in obtaining carbon credits. IT IS ALL A BIG
SCAM!!! Trust me it is all about money, power and control. I am now pushing for
a law on capitol hill to allow my clients to get more money through the carbon
credit system, and they supposedly care about the environment. I would change
jobs but we all know how that market is doing. Al Gore is set to become the next
Bill Gates if cap and trade passes. It is all smoke and mirrors a hoax and pile
of dung. There is no such thing as man made global warming.
The movie An Inconvient Truth, was found to contain 9 significant errors by a
scientific panel in the UK. When a journalist asked former vice president Gore
about the errors, Al Gore refused to answer the questions and the journalist was
silenced. As a person who has always worked hard to protect the
environment, I believe that Americans are very capable of conserving and
improving the quality of the environment, at the same time enjoying freedom and
not being controlled by political propaganda, which global warming is. The
consequences of legislation brought on by this propaganda will be devastating to
our country's economic future.I would not have a problem with the
movie An inconvenient truth being shown if it were presented as a theory rather
than fact but children are not presented with any opposing theory, no
opportunity to weigh both sides. Check out the documentary on the
internet called, Not evil. You can access the video of the journalist asking Al
Gore a question that was not answered, and the journalist being silenced.
No, Dr. Garber, Utah is one of the states with some common sense, and I hope the
legislature ignores pressure and scare tactics from groups such as yours.The one thing your group does not believe in is liberty. I’m
strongly opposed to most of your proposals, and have serious doubts about the
others. Your proposed “solutions” would be very destructive to
freedom, property rights, and the economy, while providing benefits that are
minimal or non-existent.You people claim to be doctors, but your
“evidence” does not follow rigorous scientific and statistical
practices, and is meaningless.
Before we sacrifice our standard of living and spend trillions of dollars,
someone needs to show EVIDENCE that anthropogenic CO2 emissions caused the 20th
century periods of warming. At the same time, they must explain the 1940-1980
cooling and 1999-present flat temperatures within the same factual framework.
Relying on bias-prone computer models is no basis for world-altering
decisions.CO2 does not equal air pollution -- do your homework.
I continue to be amazed to think there are those around who seriously think that
as complex as our atmosphere and climate are, mankind can isolate a few
conditions that exist now (as in over the last 150 years out of all the time the
earth has been around) and say that is the cause of some serious climate
condition. And on top of that, they claim to have a solution to the problem.
What has brought about all this hysteria is enough so-called experts and other
celebrities making enough noise that this ‘global warming’ mantra
has become fashionable and much of the public has bought into the nonsense. So
while we do have a responsibility to take care of the earth’s resources,
use them wisely and responsibly, it does not extend to taking responsibility for
and trying to ‘fix’ something unproven and uncontrollable with the
knowledge and technology we have now or may have in the foreseeable future.
BTW, I have been in the Wasatch valley during an inversion. While it is mildly
unpleasant (unless you have respiratory problems) that is a local phenomenon and
is hardly indicative of a global crisis.
I just can't sit back and read about this constant idiocy! Let me say once
again, CO2 is NOT a pollutant. Let's get to real core of the matter. If these
doctors have a clue, they'll know CO2 does nothing harmful to the earth, quite
just the opposite. Dust storms are not caused by CO2. These guys are screaming
to the legislature to create legislation to stop CO2 emissions. Do they have a
clue as to what they are asking? No, none. Otherwise they wouldn't be on this
bandwagon. They are nuts. Let me now say what these so-called doctors are
asking for: Shut down your power stations. Shut off your electricity. Stop
driving cars, stop using air conditioning, stop using heaters in the winter.
Stop flying, stop eating foot produced with the use of fossil fuels, kill coal
and all fossil fuels, in effect, they are asking that the legislature produce
legislation that will KILL the prosperity of mankind! This is pure idiocy,
especially when their agenda has not a smidgeon of truth to it. NONE. No
scientific evidence to show CO2 is harmful. These people are pure absolute
It is now 14 hours later from my original posted message (9:51pm). So far, no
one has provided any good references to solid scientific evidence that global
warming is directly related to CO2 emissions generated by mankind. Please do not
be concerned that I will not be able to understand it - I have a scientifically
related degree.Lots of posters like to pontificate, but nobody wants
to provide references to the evidence.
They are probably getting some type of funding for saying or reporting what they
did. Trust the Lord, and lean not unto thine own understanding, in all thy ways
acknowledge him and he shall direct thy paths. The Lord is in control, we
aren't. He created the earth so we could come and gain experience and learn how
to become like him. Fear is the opposite of faith. Yes, we need to be good
stewards of the earth, but to freak out about the earth getting destroyed, just
trust in the Lord, He knows what He is doing, even if we don't understand it.
So why not take a dose of your medicine Doc?you said, and I quote --Remember, "First, do no harm." Likewise,
as an 11 year old Boy Scout we were taught;"Leave the campsite
cleaner than you found it."and"Leave No trace behind!"
To those bemoaning the pollution in the air. Please do some research. Over the
past 40 years the quantity of pollution being released into the atmosphere has
DECREASED while production has increased.The air is cleaner now than
in the 1980's, and will continue to get cleaner.Read "ENERGY &
ENVIRONMENTAL MYTHS", especially Myth #6, at the Manhatten Institute.If people want to really reduce the amount of CO2 being released, why not
build a nuclear power plant to replace the gas buring plant that we currently
have to supply us with power? And no, water is not an issue because it can be
air cooled and the water in the system is in a closed loop.
I thought we had just finally agreed that "climate change" isn't the crisis we
thought it was after all ...?
Global Warming is nothing more than a left-wing plot to further gain political
power and control over our lives. How do they explain the last eleven year of
cooling? Climate will change, always has, always will. Their solution for "man
made global warming" is raising taxes, passing more regulations on business and
individuals, and eliminating all practical sources of energy, fossil or nuclear,
and forcing everybody to drive roller skate cars and rely on unproven,
inadequate solar and wind power. In the 1970s these same leftists
were worried about "global cooling"... Funny thing though.... their solution for
global cooling was just the same as for global warming: More taxes, more
regulations, less freedom. That must be their solution for everything, oh
wait.... is is their solution for everything!
Skookumchuck:I must protest in the strongest possible terms your
reckless and un-called-for disparagement of the Flat Earth Society! The earth
is in fact flat! Just look out your back window and you'll see the horizon is a
flat line, not a curved line. This is clear to all right-thinking, clear-headed
citizens. Your attempt to perpetuate the myth of earth as a globe is just
another attempt to deceive us!As for global warming, since the earth
is not a globe, how could there be global warming? Think about it!
Znr4123,You haven't been here during an inversion.That
brown haze is due to auto exhaust.We do affect the climate.
Care! We don't care about the air? Are you kidding me? We in Utah love good
air quality, we also love life and the ability to provide a good living for our
families. With this adulterated takover of freewill and choice, we will be
beholden to politicians and evil people like George Sorros (sorrows).NO
THANKS on the biggest redistribution plan ever concocted by the marxist left!
Isn't it interesting that it is more likely that someone is concerned about
global warming if they have at least four years of post-secondary education.
High school dropouts are the least concerned demographic. Hmmmmm...
I wonder what political party these doctors were members of? When will people
actually look to the real data instead of computer models? The real data says
that there has been no warming since 1998 when the models said there would. Now,
members of the IPCC are saying that warming could be on hold for at least 20
years.Why are we even discussing this issue anymore? It has once
again been proven as fear mongering and should go away.
There is no problem so big that it can't be ignored.
Thank you & othersWell, I've lived in a variety of states now. Utah is not
perfect. As far as pollution goes. I am amazed at how clean this state is
compared to other places I've lived. We can always do better. But you should
really take a look at some other states. Iowa, as example, has a fairly decent
recycling effort that is being improved. But the whole state is littered with
trash. People don't spend time picking things up. They don't participate in the
programs. In Utah, I see hikers all the time pick up trash others have left
behind. The waters are so clear here. In Iowa, the streams are filled with
garbage and are dark. Sure, some of it is for habitat, and the soil there makes
it difficult to find a real clear body of water. When I lived in Iowa, I used to
test for water pollution. It was almost always right on the threshold of
acceptable. Again, we can do better, but I think we do care a bit more here than
other places (sorry, I like to pick on Iowa).
Appalled and anonymous.Nobody is really saying. Lets go out and drive gas
guzzlers, club baby seals, and destroy the world. Just because you don't believe
the hype of man-caused global warming doesn't mean you want to destroy the earth
or some crazy thing. It's that a bunch of decisions are being made which may not
actually benefit Earth, have no affect, or make things worse. We are doing it
because of consensus. Not proof. 30~40 years ago we were freaking out because of
a coming ice age. Doomsayers abound, yet no proof of either extrema exists. Heck
2 years ago we saw the earths average temp drop more than we've ever seen it
change. Once again, there were some concern over ice age. Nobody doubts our
impact (unless you really are that dumb). It's how much or if we should even do
anything about it that's the question. I've read so many articles that had no
relation to global warming whatsoever. But were used as proof that man is the
sole cause of global warming. It's ridiculous. I'll trust scientists when they
start using the scientific method.
My goodness. I apologize to the entire state of Utah for these Doctors. When
doctors look at the medical literature to help patients we are supposed to look
at the evidence, controls, and facts of medical studies and the BIASES of the
people who published the study to determine if this information is any good.There has been WAY too much Bias and conjecture in the literature on
global warming to be able to make a good diagnosis. Without a good diagnosis
there is no appropriate treatment. By trying to treat global
warming before having a good diagnosis we could do more harm than good.
Remember, "First, do no harm."
How dare the doctors contradict the utah association of armchair climatologists.
I can see a boycott of doctors in the future.
These so-called doctors, cannot be very good,if they can fall for such an
obvious fraud, as Global Warming. I would not seek their advice, on a hang nail.
Follow the money.Other polls from national news sources say that
numbers of people in the US who believe in global warming has dropped over the
past 3 years. So have the numbers of people who believe man has much to do with
climate change. Getting the word out works. It takes time to clear
the head from public schooling indoctrination. Follow the money.
Utah is fighting the future? Why would anyone want to stop our headlong plunge
into communism? Communism is the only way to give us all healthcare,
wonderfully equal lives, and save the planet from global warming.Oh
wait... did we just say "global warming?" Hey! Who forgot the updated memo...I
think they want us to say "climate change" now. We have got to be more careful
in the future Komrades. 10-11 years of cooling is getting harder to ignore, but
we can still blame it on the bourgeois if we speak of climate change.
What if they are right?
I am appalled at the attitude so many people have towards our environment.
Anonymous 7:50, you're exactly right. We're all just too comfortable in our
current habits of perfectly climate controlled homes and driving everywhere in
our gas guzzlers. Heaven forbid doctors have a passion and concern outside of
their profession. Open your eyes and accept the fact that humans can have an
impact on the earth, maybe you should all stick to your chosen professions and
let the experts (educated scientists) educate you as to what is happening to our
Shame on those doctors for caring about the health of people on earth. Shame on
them!How dare they contradict all those neo-cons that make money off
selling oil?!I don't want to pull my head out of the sand. It's
comfy here and I don't have to see anything unpleasant.
I'm glad that such well-educated and experienced people are devoting their time
and effort to protecting my environment. However, I wonder if their time
wouldn't better be spent studying the appropriate medical journals, keeping up
with the latest pharmaceuticals, tracking the local effects of prominent
diseases like swine flu and west nile, learning new operating procedures, or
spending more time with their patients (this would help resolve a common
complaint). We need doctors to be doctors.
What a load of hooey! Were did you dig up these guys? . ANY doctor
that puts this emperor wears new clothes issue at the top of the list for
"biggest public threat to public health" does not practice in the real world and
is obviously out of touch with reality.
Hypothesis (9:51 p.m.) Consensus is a Political event and has very
little to do with evidence in most cases. Guys like Al Gore and his liberal
buddies are making millions from those who are so gullible. And the stupid laws
that are now being forced upon the American people are a form of slavery -
giving the government the power to regulate what cars we can drive, what crops
we can plant, etc., etc., etc. Those who live in the corn belt of
Kansas, and those in other states whose crops are suitable, are forced to sell
their crops for the production of ethanol. So there is not enough corn to feed
the beef cattle and this is lost income. And they also must give up a huge share
of the water needed to water their crops - to supply the entanol plants. Which
means smaller crops and less income, And the circle goes around and around.Wake up America and stop this stupidity before we lose every shred of
the freedom that used to be the "American Way". Demand facts, not consensus. And
then stand up and fight for Freedom from tyranny.
I have a difficult time understanding why medical doctors can be so misguided
with liberal issues. They all sound like the doctor that complained about those
horrible insurance companies making a profit. He never questioned the fact that
he makes a profit too. I give you odds that all these great doctors voted for
BO and fully support nationalized health care. Once again the University of
Utah allows this liberal garbage to flow from their facilities and wonder why we
stopped providing cash to their programs.
So, now these Dr's are suddenly the Al Gore's (inventor of the Internet) of the
Earths' natural functions. They better stick to their own fields of work and get
better at that so that they don't work for the gov't full time when the Demo's
pass the idiotic Health Care Bills.
The following response is a re-posting of mine to a related article in today's
Deseret News. It also applies to this article. So far, no one has supplied a
references for me that provides the solid scientific evidence I am seeking."There is no question that global warming (and cooling) does occur,
which does have a direct effect upon climate change — it can be measured.
However, the real question is how much effect upon global warming is directly
related to CO2 emissions generated by mankind. This is the hypothesis that
needs to be demonstrated to be true via provided conclusive scientific
evidence.Supposedly, 94% of the scientific community has reached a
"consensus" that man-made emissions are a major contributor to global warming.
I am sorry, but consensus is not scientific evidence. So far, no one has been
willing to provide me references to this evidence. For me, it needs to be
evidence — not consensus or opinion. Until this scientifically
demonstrated evidence is provided, I will remain a skeptic."
I remember well the hysteria that global cooling caused a few decades ago,
supported by "expert" opinions and data every bit as convincing as the data
supporting global warming. What a bunch of lemmings!
Drs. struggle to diagnose humans with diseases they don't understand. Are we
expected they can understand dear Mother Earth's supposed ailments?It is important to keep things clean and yes, Utah needs to do better at
recycling, but for anyone to suggest that Mother Earth can't handle herself is
arrogant beyond belief.
Maybe if the Psychologists would just help the others stuck in their little Utah
Studies have shown that buying local can often result in higher greenhouse
emissions, despite the reduced transport distance. Why is this being
Congratulations & Thank You to Des News for finally posting the BEST article
ever.I don't understand why no one in Utah seems to care about the
air, land, and just being more cognisant of taking care of our present and
future. Utah is the 3rd worst state in recycling and our recylcing rates are
some to the cheapest in the country. I drive my items to the Dan's bins because
I live in a rental.I returned to Utah 2 years ago (after living in
another state for 7) and was horrified by the change in the air quality here.
Also, the "dust storms" they are talking about in this article are occurring
now! Think about when you don't see your grandkids, nieces, etc... for several
years; come back, and what a change! Well, the Utahn's that have lived here the
entire time don't see the changes as much as someone who has been gone for
awhile.Please, save our beautiful Utah! recycle, reuse, buy local,
and don't under estimate the small things you do DO make a difference.
The squirrels ought to have a heyday with all of the global warming nuts rolling
around! How can rational people get caught up in the global warming nonsense?
They make the flat earthers look sane! 25 years ago we had the same hysteria
over a shortage of potable water. It is the height of arrogance to think man
can control mother nature. Besides, if we cut down on all of the CO2 what will
the plants breathe? Doctors need to attend to the sick and leave the climate to
mother earth and God. They have been able to manage things very well for
millennia. Let's all go and have a good hamburger!!
So the 'Chicken Little' syndrome has made it even to this group. So much for