Reid criticizes LDS Church's Prop. 8 involvement

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  • Anonymous
    Oct. 24, 2009 1:41 p.m.

    I care because, while adults and children are free to engage in homoSEXUALity, legally enforcing it through marriage would be, perhaps, more harmful to humanity than legally marrying people to cigarettes. Many studies have shown that homosexuals have higher rates of: drug use, tobacco use, death, violence, domestic violence, suicide, promiscuity, mental problems, distress, etc. And children raised in these non-traditional families also have many problems (contrary to APA and AAP propaganda statements, based on a select few studies, many taken from homosexual journals, and leaving out important information such as increases in promiscuity for children raised by homosexualsetc). These studies were done including Dutch populations etc, where homosexual marriage has been legal for a long time, and, it has been shown that Mormons are more hated than homosexuals, and so we can’t blame discrimination for these ills. Identical twin studies have shown that many, even most homosexuals are not forced to be so by genetics. There is no known homosexual gene. Exposure to homosexuality has been shown to increase it, etc. We should love those trapped. And there is a lot of disagreement, but all should be heard, and we are all Responsible if we do nothing.

  • JMS
    Oct. 24, 2009 1:39 p.m.

    I didn’t fully understand either, why LDS cared so much to spend. After discussing Elder Oaks talk with Tribunites and Mormon haters (“defending Oaks”). Homosexuals donate millions, hire protestors, attack, try to silence, etc. and they are applauded, but I think it’s important for all voices to be heard, and for LDS to donate on this. See below, if they post it, for a few reasons why. Keep in mind that I have homosexual family members who think it would be nice to have marriage, and sometimes my heart aches to think that anyone would discriminate against them for homosexuality, just as it makes me sad to see anyone so hated and all this name calling against Mormons for being involved. It is a touchy situation, but we all should be involved, all voices should be heard, and homosexuals already have many places they can go to if they must get married.

  • JMS
    Oct. 24, 2009 1:13 p.m.

    Well, they didn't post my first comment. Just want to say, I agree with Vince that this is a very important issue. It will affect all of humanity for years to come, and we should expect religious people to be free to be involved in the decision making process. We are all free to vote or not for Reid, and he is free to express his opinions. Don’t know why that upsets. I supported the donation of money, time, for 08, and think people should be free to donate against without violence, attack, or attempts to “destroy” diverse opinions.

  • Blaine Nay
    Oct. 24, 2009 12:30 p.m.

    It is not Reid's business (nor that of any other government official) to dictate any church's stand on anything. If Senator Reid opposes the church's stand on Prop 8, why doesn't he find a church that agrees with him? Perhaps 2 Timothy 4:3 fits Reid's spiritual compass: "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears."

  • JMS
    Oct. 24, 2009 11:39 a.m.

    Sorry,typos. Read a few more comments. Talking about hate. Notice all the hate against Mormons simply for being involved. They are still ranting on the Tribune and there is a planned effort to silence the diverse voice of the LDS, or even, as one gay rights leader put it on national news “destroy the Utah brand.” This is hate. LDS donating, being active, having a voice and an opinion and voting, this is not hate. Throwing rocks, shooting out windows, sending imitation anthrax, vandalizing sacred spaced, etc, this is hate. Anyway, voters have been intimidated, but I support Reid’s right to have and share his opinion, just as everyone. Homosexuals, a powerful special interest group, however, have tried to silence and have attacked the LDS voice. We should all look at the article on Elder Oaks talk.
    And, WE ARE ALL responsible for the increase in homosexuality, which is harmful, if we stand by and do nothing. Helping to slow this is just as important as other humanitarian aid, and slowing addiction to nicotine, etc. I love homosexuals, and they are free to keep their sexuality in the bed, like the rest of us.

  • KP
    Oct. 18, 2009 2:34 p.m.

    Harry Reid is an absolute idiot and he is going down next November so who cares what comes out of his duplicitous mouth.

  • Re: TetonMike
    Oct. 18, 2009 12:03 a.m.

    No, they weren't. The women weren't married to each other, just to their husband.

  • Jon
    Oct. 17, 2009 9:11 p.m.

    I appreciate Harry Reids broadmindedness. He is a good politician doing what he believes in.

  • Identical Twin Theory
    Oct. 17, 2009 8:22 p.m.

    "Why are 100% of identical gay twins not both always gay?"

    Maybe we are born with propensities toward a certain sexual orientation. But there is a danger in this assumption when considering the different ways people express themselves sexually....some of which is illegal. However, if genetics is a factor (to which there is no conclusive evidence), we should also consider life experiences and what individuals are exposed to in terms of stimuli that can reinforce sexual behavior.

  • Conclusively genetic?
    Oct. 17, 2009 7:44 p.m.

    "Science has conclusively shown that gay is genetic."

    There is no conclusive evidence that this is true because there are theories that either support or refute that it is genetic. You can look at a baby and tell they have brown eyes because of the parents. You can't look at a baby and determine they are gay not to mention whether or not their inherited these supposed gay genes from the parent.

  • to freedom to think
    Oct. 17, 2009 7:09 p.m.

    Science has conclusively shown that gay is genetic. You need only read twin studies. If one identical twin is homosexual the other twin is likely to be homosexual at a rate significantly higher than the average 1 - 3 % rule. Why are 100% of identical gay twins not both always gay? Simple. Identical twins do not have identical finger prints, height, weight, and sometimes handedness (left or right.)

  • TetonMike
    Oct. 17, 2009 5:54 p.m.

    A Question....were the Sister/Wives of Brigham and Joseph Smith thought to be married to each other, as well as to the men? And if they were, wasn't that an early example of Same Sex Marriage in the Mormon Church/

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2009 4:04 p.m.

    I agree with The Danger poster. I have grandchildren in California who are being indoctrinated in their schools and have glbt teachers! It is appalling. Little kids. In grade school.

  • The Danger
    Oct. 17, 2009 3:39 p.m.

    The Danger is that the schools teach that homosexual relationships are normal and correct. This is what is being taught here in CA since January despite parental outcry. No teacher would take their class on a field trip to visit a drug deal or to a bar to visit the alchoholic and promote the aspects of drinking. However, I was appalled as a parent, CA Taxpayer and LDS member to read that a teacher took her 2nd grade class on a field trip to witness to a lesbian marriage. This type of indoctrination through the schools is where the Danger is. No teacher's personal beleifs', nor should the STATE present information that undermines the faith and moral beliefs of a student. To educate a person in confidence instead of conscience is to educate a menace to society--T.Roosevelt

  • Picketing churches
    Oct. 17, 2009 2:21 p.m.

    "If someone voted to take away my right to marry, I would be picketing churches too. Wouldn't you? "

    They have every right to picket churches....but vandalism?

  • One Human Family
    Oct. 17, 2009 1:59 p.m.

    I am LDS and completely disagreed with Prop 8. I respect Senator Reid taking a stand. My brother getting married to his partner of 10 years does nothing to cheapen my marriage or the marriage of anyone else. They are not asking to get married in a Mormon church. They just want the ability to have a civil marriage. It is as simple as that.

    If someone voted to take away my right to marry, I would be picketing churches too. Wouldn't you?

  • To S Gavenman
    Oct. 17, 2009 1:33 p.m.

    Who is the "we" in the following statement that you made in your post?
    Reid has chosen the dark side, and he should not be trusted. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing and I wish he would have his name removed so that we would not have to be embarassed as a church everytime he opens his mouth against the teachings of the church. Shame on him, and he needs to step down. "

    Please speak for yourself. I am a member of the LDS church and I'm not so prideful as to be embarrassed by what Reid or any other member of the church says publicly. Please don't lead your audience thru the use of the word "we" to believe that most or even many members of the church are embarrassed by Reid.

  • Rebuttal to Dangerous Ground
    Oct. 17, 2009 1:31 p.m.

    A portion of Dangerous Grounds comment above at 9:39 a.m. Oct. 16, 2009 is COMPLETELY WRONG -- the post included the following: "The decision to donate time, money and resources to pass prop 8 came from the First Presidency of the Church and while it is fine to not be in agreement with Church policy a church member must not make that comment public or do it in a way that brings negative attention to the Church especially on the national scene"

    Unfortunately many members of the church offer incorrect information about the church in public forums. The church would NEVER tell any of its members that it "must not make that comment public or do it in a way the brings negative attention to the Church". You will NEVER find a general authority of the LDS church telling its members what we can and cannot say or think, especially in the political arena. I felt it was important to post this comment so that non-members are not lead astray by the original poster's comments.

  • Purpose of Prop 8
    Oct. 17, 2009 12:21 p.m.

    "Prop 8 was simply a law that would assist partners to enjoy the same benefits offered to married couples. "

    Prop 8 had nothing to do with offering benefits. It was how marriage is defined. Society has every right to define the restrictions place on the institution of marriage.

  • S Gavenman
    Oct. 17, 2009 11:13 a.m.

    Reid has chosen the dark side, and he should not be trusted. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing and I wish he would have his name removed so that we would not have to be embarassed as a church everytime he opens his mouth against the teachings of the church. Shame on him, and he needs to step down. Glad I am not in his ward.

  • Gary
    Oct. 17, 2009 10:16 a.m.

    I applaud Mr Reid's courageous stand on what he is talking about. The whole bottom line is the way the society judges a group as a whole. Many laws now prevent partners from having each other's needs met especially when in the hospital or dying. The rules are must be family only. So what does a person do when his best friend or partner is not family legally? he's left to his own self and that's a sad way of treating a human. We should never judge a person by their preference. We should look at the person with love and show our care for one another. So many of you people are so closed minded that you can't see beyond the forest. Prop 8 was simply a law that would assist partners to enjoy the same benefits offered to married couples. That's all it was. Your freedom of religion remains intact. What you did however was use force and take away a freedom. Suppose it was the other way around saying marriage is forbidden? Laughable isn't it? But that's exactly what was done from the opposition in Prop 8.

  • More Religious Bigots
    Oct. 17, 2009 9:47 a.m.

    Apparently as a member of the Church I don\t have the right to donate to a cause. I don't have a right to vote my conscience, I don't have a right to speak out on things. Just because I am a church member you thing I forfeit my rights to speak out and if I do you claim that the Church is donating money. I find it amazing that a church which makes up less than 2% of the American population is so powerful and can dicate to all other Americans how they vote and can demand it and force them to vote that way. You are truly clueless.

  • Prop 8 Misinformation
    Oct. 17, 2009 9:16 a.m.

    "The Church's influence could've/should've been put to better use. At a minimum, the Prop 8 campaign was negative, and relied on misinformation."

    You could say it was negative on both sides. Unfortunately, one side resorted to vandalism.

  • freedom to think
    Oct. 17, 2009 1:42 a.m.

    Again! Please Don't compare race to sexual preference!!!

    Being black or a woman is 100% undisputedly inborn!!!!

    There is "actually" NO conclusive scientific proof that same-sex eroticism is congenitally predetermined. I dare you to show me just ONE study that proves? OPPS Sorry, there are NONE! I read over 30 and always we read it "might possibly suggest." You want us to just believe your assertion of faith and change the laws established throughout all human history. Sorry, we would need a little REAL proof or even some evidence to consider it.

    Human behavior experts in this field say…….

    “No clear conclusions can be made by biology”…..Mustanski and Bailey
    “All behavior is biologically caused at some point.” To judge whether behavior is moral or not based on biologically caused is to defend an irrational premise…” Brian Mustenski (Indiana University)
    Sexual and Relationship Therapy 18:4 (Nov. 2003)

    What if we followed suit with the studies of the 70's that suggest violent criminals on death row all had some inborn component? Does that make violent criminal behavior moral? And yet this is what the sexually confused want us to do. Sorry not going to happen.

  • definition is a weak argument
    Oct. 17, 2009 12:31 a.m.

    I don't know why opponents of gay marriage continue to use the argument that the definition of marriage between a man and a woman. Lots of practices that were once defined one way or another have been modified or altered or completely changed to adapt to the times and progress of society. Women were not allowed to vote at one time. That was ostensibly because women were not capable of worthwhile educated contribution to the selection of elected officials. The definition changed and suddenly they were able. Very little progress would have been made had we continued to hold to historical or past definitions, just for the sake of the definition.

    I think there are very few if any good arguments opposing gay marriage. True it may be detrimental society, but as one poster noted earlier multiple practices are detrimental to society yet they are allowed in the name of freedom of choice and therefore growth. This was God's plan not Satan's for those of LDS faith. There is really only one good argument to oppose gay marriage and that is that God Himself has dictated as such. But is it valid apply believe differently?

  • Heidi Phillips
    Oct. 16, 2009 2:03 p.m.

    I'm all for gay marriage: a happy marriage between a man and a woman.

  • I agree with Harry
    Oct. 16, 2009 1:28 p.m.

    The Church's influence could've/should've been put to better use.
    At a minimum, the Prop 8 campaign was negative, and relied on misinformation.

    The LDS Church members/leadership is too aligned/immersed with the Repubican Party such that they don't see that today's Republicans rely on fear and misinformation to promote their agenda.

  • CT
    Oct. 16, 2009 1:05 p.m.

    Looks like the reid welfare army is out in force Obsessively trying to convert critical thinkers to their way. It is a tragedy watching mr. reid (pied piper)slowly lead them down the path to self destruction. Way to go mr. reid you are the oppositions key player. It does not take rocket science to figure out you are getting extremely desperate just like the adversary for souls (votes).

    HOW PATHETIC. 18% approval rating. Keep it up mr. reid.

  • Tom
    Oct. 16, 2009 11:33 a.m.

    Harry Reid is a good man what ever your political opinions. He made a passing comment that he felt the Churches influence could of been used better in other area's. This will not cause him any kind of retaliation from the Church and does not bring his devotion to the faith into question. He may be wrong on his opinion but it is a valid and acceptable one within the LDS community.

  • Dangerous ground
    Oct. 16, 2009 9:39 a.m.

    Harry Reid better be careful with his comments about gay marriage and Church involvement. The decision to donate time, money and resources to pass prop 8 came from the First Presidency of the Church and while it is fine to not be in agreement with Church policy a church member must not make that comment public or do it in a way that brings negative attention to the Church especially on the national scene.I respect Harry Reid in that he has sent sons on missions and is a member in good standing however being a democrat and a Christian is getting harder and harder to reconcile these days with the democratic party supporting and promoting abortion, homosexual activism and other immoral and non christain view points. The democratic party is being run today by the far left loons and radicals and those more moderate party members like Rep Jim Matheson are going to have to decide if they are going to follow and abandon their values and belief's or leave the party.Tough choice.

  • GO- Harry Reid | 5:22 p.m. Oct.
    Oct. 16, 2009 9:02 a.m.

    If you read my comment carefully, I talked about Christianity. The members you refer to clearly are not practicing Christians. You will find this in every religion -- some truly have not been converted. All you can hope for is that one day they will want to be like Christ and change their ways.

  • S2
    Oct. 16, 2009 6:47 a.m.

    Marriage is exclusive to a man and a woman. That means it excludes gays who together with another choose to behave as a man and a woman. The rights to act that way are already existing in society recognizing that they will do what they do, and can do so under the law..

    To change the definition, and lose the exlusivity of marriage is what the gays now want. It is the last vestige of criticism, barring those holding to moral truths and organized, or not, in churches. They will not broker criticism from anyone and look to cancel humanity's right to an opinion and a stand.

    So, it is not we heterosexuals who deny them any rights. It's their twisted argument that seeks to inhibit our rights. We do not discuss our sexuality at school, or in the workplace. We do not insist to identify our sexuality by our in-your-face activist parades or lawsuits. Why do gays?

    Marriage is exclusive. An apple is always by definitiion an apple, and an orange always an orange. Gays may construct a new word, but perverting language and definitions is not progress. Redefining the word is beyond progressiveness.

  • Politician
    Oct. 16, 2009 6:05 a.m.

    Reid is a politician. If politicians are "EXPECTED" to toe the church line, then we should not elect Mormons to high office. Certainly members can and will be affected by church teachings (regardless of the religion) however we should expect them to serve the people, not a church.

  • RE; Jeff
    Oct. 15, 2009 7:26 p.m.

    Gays want legal marrage and want it called that. Really. To bad marrage is not defined with gays in the picturel. Call it gay marrage, but it will never truly be marrage.

  • gdf
    Oct. 15, 2009 6:17 p.m.

    We support Harry Reid. What a super great guy. Some of you need to take heed and listen before casting stones. He is a politician and not a GA. He needs to be appreciated for what he does. I think he knows what he is doing. DO YOU?

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 15, 2009 6:16 p.m.

    To RE: Raging Liberal | 5:40 a.m.

    You make up or choose to believe horror scenarios, which are only designed to create fear and movement against the homosexual communtiy. Your assumptions are without any base. Where does it say the government will dictate churches to do certain things concernig gay members should gay marriage be allowed?

    Also to burst another bubble for you-- Of all the scriptures our church put into the TG underneath the heading "homosexuality", only a few actually talk about homosexuality. If you study the greek original, you will find that others, like the scripture in 1 Cor 6:9 talk about male prostitution e.g.; this is hardly comparable to homosexual couples today, who seek to be united in marriage.

    I am sad that "my" church bought into the whole fear-mongering. Like Brother Bednar who said the church would be forced to perform "homosexual" sealings, if gay marriage was allowed. Again, where is the proof for this wild assumption?

  • Raging Liberal
    Oct. 15, 2009 6:11 p.m.

    In response to those who have commented on my original post.

    Modern capitalist governments have been successfully taxing the rich and giving to the poor since the beginning of time. This is not socialism or tyranny as some suggest but actually what keeps modern capitalism societies balanced so all are motivated to work and produce and given a fair opportunity. It's totally ridiculous to think that those who have made it big have done it all through their own efforts without an ounce of help from society. It's in fact the opposite of tyranny as it keeps American from becoming a country of dynasties based purely on one's family's history of creating wealth.

    Re marriage, I never said I agree with gay marriage. But I also don't agree with drinking, pre-marital sex, doing drugs, swearing, gambling, etc. but I am not going to go out and outlaw all of those. Each of those actually has a much more detrimental impact to society than gay marriage, yet you don't see the church up in arms over them. Gays will marry and life will go on. Ok with me.

  • Congratulations Harry
    Oct. 15, 2009 5:37 p.m.

    You are going on 4 years being Majority Leader and doing a great job!!!!!

  • Reid or Ensign
    Oct. 15, 2009 5:25 p.m.

    Who would Nevada rather have? No question the senator from Searchlight would win in a landslide; these two aren't running against each other (they did in 1998--Reid barely winning), if people wonder why Obama and Reid win so often, it isn't because they are the best, their opponents lack substance.

  • GO- Harry Reid
    Oct. 15, 2009 5:22 p.m.

    Um, To-To Jim 3:03pm..
    You have some of what you said to Jim a bit wrong. I know a few members in my own neighborhood who play the holier than act on Sunday, and act like satanists the rest of the week. Yep, they leave their religion on the doorstep of the chapel. I agree with others who have said that some recite a nice phony testimony like the the Catholics do their hail Mary's. Sorry, bud, that's the way of it.

  • Better Use for Resources
    Oct. 15, 2009 3:53 p.m.

    "...he also believes that the resources that went into the Proposition 8 effort could have been put to better use"

    Really? It looks like it did the trick.

  • To Jim
    Oct. 15, 2009 3:03 p.m.

    You seem to have a rather narrow definition of religion? I don't know how you can keep religion and people's personal lives separate. Christianity is a way of life -- every waking moment. Its not a matter of showing up to church for a few hours on Sunday and then leaving one's religion at the church doors! Our church leaders do not live and breath for us. The counsel that they provide is indended to HELP us, to keep us on a path that will bring joy and happiness to our lives. And I can assure you that it works.

  • Narrowminded people ...
    Oct. 15, 2009 2:39 p.m.

    ...are closed minded and clumsy and think on a thread with no commonsense.

    I hear you, Andrea & Jim...right-on-my-friends :o)

    To- Steve, that was cool and i agree :o)

  • Live from Las Vegas
    Oct. 15, 2009 2:28 p.m.

    I am a tithe-paying, recommend-holding, calling-serving member, too, and I fully support Harry Reid! But I have something 99% of you DON'T have: Nevada Residency! Your opinions DO NOT MATTER! But mine does!

  • @mark in our face | 12:10 p.m
    Oct. 15, 2009 2:10 p.m.

    Hey Mark you sound so ALL powerful and very well "GAY" CONNECTED....why wait? If you already know?...then by all means start boycotting everything UTAH......the LDS church windows, and temple square from the grope-a-dope protestorss could use the break!

    Hey Becker, you can take the SL Gay Parade off the calendar, according to Mark..."They're leaving the State of UTAH"!!.....Good Riddance!

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 15, 2009 1:47 p.m.

    To Andrea, I think Reid is a tithe paying member as well.

  • Jim
    Oct. 15, 2009 1:39 p.m.

    It is simple, religious leaders should leave people personal lives alone. It's not a religions right to live and breath for its members or to lead them around by the nose. Harry Reid is just trying to get through to a few hard heads on what might be the right thing to do, and for those who refuse to listen to anyone or anything.

  • re: Andrea
    Oct. 15, 2009 1:02 p.m.

    That was the part I thought was so strange; Reid saying that there were better things to spend the funds on. Doesn't he realize that the 'funds' were personal donations from the pockets of members who were making a sacrifice?

  • Andrea
    Oct. 15, 2009 12:14 p.m.

    I think everyone is over reacting. Reid did not agree with gay marriage, nor did he criticize the Church in my point of view. He did, however, air his views contrary to that of the Church in regards to allocation of funds in one instance, not with gospel principles. I think it is fine he has his own opinions. A huge misconception by non-Mormons is that we do not think for ourselves. One of the main reasons why Mitt Romney is not our President now.

  • To Steve @ 9:18 am
    Oct. 15, 2009 12:10 p.m.

    haha at the green jello mention! I'm LDS, but I have a sense of humor and can laugh at some things in our mormon culture! :)

  • I'm not embarrassed
    Oct. 15, 2009 11:48 a.m.

    I'm a member of the church and Reid doesn't embarrass me. No one is perfect. No one has a perfect point of view. He has the guts to speak his opinion, whether or not such opinion is in line with whatever organizations he is a member of. So what! I'd rather have a politician who speaks HIS OWN opinion HONESTLY then one who constantly tries to align his opinion with his church, just to be viewed as a "good guy" to gather LDS votes.

  • Bone head
    Oct. 15, 2009 11:27 a.m.


  • Funny farm culture
    Oct. 15, 2009 10:52 a.m.

    It would be nice if all critics could learn to mind their personal business and stay out the business of others. If you are so embarrassed by others than perhaps you should work on your own excessive and personal pride. Get over it.

  • Hope
    Oct. 15, 2009 10:45 a.m.

    Hey anonymous, don't you ever get tired of hiding behind a NO-NAME? Do you tnink for a minute that Harry Reid being in the LDS church and speaking out for the gays will change the doctrines of this church? Marriage is ordained of God and should be between a man and a woman! Simple! Find another name if you wish and do your thing! Choose this day who ye will serve but as for me and my family we will serve the Lord!! All these attacks will bring us under condemnation from the Lord! For all the righteous, stand fast and hold on tight to the iron rod. Don't cave in to all the evil surrounding us in this wicked world for this is what it is becoming!!!

  • Religion & Politics
    Oct. 15, 2009 10:28 a.m.

    Lets hear it from some real people here who can THINK for themselves-- rather than playing some "SIMON SAYS GAME'. I know Mr. Reid is correct in what he has voiced out to the media, and that he has spoken out in behalf of the church, to protect it from its enemies. The so called religious group here, who think they know so much, should be smart enough to keep their large noses out of politics and not give so much attention to the wrong group of people.

  • RE: Raging Liberal | 5:40 a.m.
    Oct. 15, 2009 10:23 a.m.

    You stated: " I DO SUPPORT THE RIGHT OF OTHERS TO MARRY HOWEVER THEY WANT AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME. How is any of that so opposed to church doctrine??"

    Well the Bible is rather EXPLICIT in stating that homesexuality is wrong. Hence homosexual marriage is wrong. The writings of Pres. Kimball addresses homosexual behavior.

    As to the doctrine of Marriage and the New and everlasting covenant, I strongly recommend you refer to D&C section 132. There you will find the doctrine concerning marriage and male to female relationships. Here in CA we are affected as to the inculcation of the schools suggesting and some explicitly referring to our religious beliefs as "wrong and bigoted" in relation to Gay Marriage. To state that such practices do not affect you is short sighted.

    Frankly, IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU! It's about the effects and affects on our society and religious Constitutional Rights. If organized religions will be vilified as bigots and homophobes and laws passed to ensure that religions do not excommunicate people who violate their cannonical doctrines, then it WILL Affect you.

  • Oak's Talk
    Oct. 15, 2009 10:13 a.m.

    Read Elder Oak's talk that he gave yesterday to BYU. He states not to vote for members of the gov't just because they are of your same faith. Do so prayerfully!

    Next time around hopefully some will learn!

  • djamminh
    Oct. 15, 2009 9:58 a.m.

    I'm embarrassed that he is a member of the church. Although he is entitled to his own opinion, he has no business criticizing the church. That is apostacy, no matter how you look at it. It can't possibly help the missionary effort with him saying such things and calling himself a member of the church. Thank goodness he will be voted out of office this year in what is sure to be a landslide. Then, he will be "left to himself, to kick against the pricks." Thank goodness there is Mitt Romney.

  • His NOSE is clean
    Oct. 15, 2009 9:57 a.m.

    Hey, Harry...KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

    You are intelligent and brilliant and just what this country needs.

  • Linna
    Oct. 15, 2009 9:38 a.m.

    Agency at work! I don't agree with his politics but he has the right to voice his opinion. Hope he knows that if he does not agree with the Church, he can leave and preach what he believe. For me, I use my agency to follow the LDS Church leaders and doing my very best to support the family as taught by the church.

    I just hope that he allows us our agency to choose how to use our money and not be heavily taxed - take care of the poor - the Church teaches that and I am doing it through my generous fast offerings and other offerings through the Church.

  • To Raging Liberal
    Oct. 15, 2009 9:29 a.m.

    "I support taxing the rich to give to the poor"

    Since when does the government have the right to punish success? There is a major flaw to socialism. What do you do when you run out of other peoples money? When you have reduced everyone to being poor, then what? Your statement makes me sick. Our country will be destroyed by attitudes like yours. This country was founded to escape tyranny like you are describing. I just don't understand how people can think taking all the money from those who produce and create jobs for everyone else can be a good thing. When all employers are bankrupt then what? Wake up people!!!

  • Steve
    Oct. 15, 2009 9:18 a.m.

    Harry Reid has the right not to fit into any old, imbalanced, slimy, green, jello mold. Harry is his own person and has the right to speak his mind as he sees things to be. I love it when an LDS person speaks up and out "TRUTHFULLY" on their TRUEST and deepest feelings about things, and not recite or act out what they think they probably better say. Some of you need to climb out of your snake holes and smell the roses for the first time, and learn how to be genuine with yourselves and not a copy-cat-mimic with a fur ball stuck in your throat.

  • I could NEVER..
    Oct. 15, 2009 8:42 a.m.

    ..become a member of a political party whose agendas include abortion, gay rights and socialism at the expense of the family, religion and freedom. Sorry Harry, your political party does just that. When socialism and oppression comes it will be wrapped in so called progressive social programs which will become oppressive laws that will inhibit people to a static and apathetic mindset, instead of encouraging free thought.

  • Raging Liberal
    Oct. 15, 2009 5:40 a.m.

    I don't understand why people on this board think ultra-left and Mormon are incompatible. I for one am a raging liberal but still go to church and hold a calling. I of course don't agree with the left on abortion but on every single other issue I agree with them. I don't hide anything and I have not been excommunicated. It is pretty ridiculous to think the Church would reprimand me because: I support taxing the rich to give to the poor, I oppose attacking sovereign nations when there isn't a single ounce of proof that they have wronged us, I vehemently oppose one's right to bear arms, I even more vehemently oppose the death penalty, and last but not least though I believe marriage is between a man and a woman, I DO SUPPORT THE RIGHT OF OTHERS TO MARRY HOWEVER THEY WANT AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME. How is any of that so opposed to church doctrine?? I've said it all before and I am still a card carrying Mormon in every sense of the word.

  • shawilli
    Oct. 15, 2009 12:32 a.m.

    I am hoping that the citizens of Nevada will go to the polls and vote Harry Reid out of office, but I have my doubts, Nevada is a very liberal state and the people will more than likely vote him into office once again. I cringe every time I hear him open his mouth, he is very much a card carrying liberal Democrat from a liberal state where he is much loved, I can't stand the guy myself, but if you think Nevada has a pain in the butt like Reid, be happy, here in Arizona we are stuck with McCain till the day he dies in office of old age.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 14, 2009 11:06 p.m.

    It doesnt even matter Harry is out of office soon enough.

  • Lee
    Oct. 14, 2009 9:17 p.m.

    I am a member of the Church. Still, I am ashamed that there are so many (evidenced by the comments on this blog) so called Mormons that have a deeply rooted hostility towards human beings that have differing beliefs. Yet we expect the world to accept our young missionaries and treat them with respect? Something is wrong with this picture. People have a right to their beliefs-it's called free agency. Elder Oaks was merely expressing his views. It's OK to have a different opinion. I am equally ashamed with the Gay people who vandalize Mormon church property. Come on people.....let's all get along and respect one another.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 14, 2009 8:43 p.m.

    I admire Harry Reid for having the guts to say what he did on this subject.

  • jann
    Oct. 14, 2009 7:40 p.m.

    harry reid has a big mouth.

  • mark
    Oct. 14, 2009 7:37 p.m.

    LDS funded every 4 of 5 dollars donated for prop 8. You LIED about non monetary donations by a factor of NINETY...claimed 2K and it was 180K.
    LDS bussed in Mormons to canvas CA neighborhoods, and produced LYING TV ads. You even sent out BLACKMAIL threats to No on prop 8 donors demanding $10,000.00. a FELONY which four Yes on prop 8 activist ADMITTED doing, one was an LDS lawyer.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 14, 2009 7:33 p.m.

    Nearly every Mormon is REPUBLICAN, of course those in NV don't vote for Reid....duh?

  • re: pagan
    Oct. 14, 2009 7:00 p.m.

    "'Virtually every Mormon I talk to in NV say they will NEVER vote for Harry again!'

    Good thing not everyone is mormon then, eh?

    If mormon's are less than 2% of America...

    And gay men/women are 10% of the world...

    who is the 'majority' here?

    Well done Mr Reid! Well done!"

    This proves our point! Why in the world are you blaming the Mormons for Prop 8?!?

  • Anonymous I
    Oct. 14, 2009 6:18 p.m.

    To my gay friends: I do not condemn you; I care about you. And, while I do indeed believe that engaging in homosexuality is a sin, I also believe that many of the things I do are sins as well. Therefore, I cannot judge you. Only one is worthy of judging. Having said that, I can vote to support an institution that has defined society for millenia, and I should not be victimized or made out to be evil because of that. Likewise, I do not wish to take away your right to vote on issues as you seem right. And, though we may disagree on some issues, we assuredly agree on many more. I guess what I'm trying to say here is that we can agree to disagree agreeably. We can remain friends even though we disagree. This is the very HEART and SOUL of America, and if we lose it, we'll have lost everything our forefathers fought for. Remember my words.

  • Mormon Ignorance
    Oct. 14, 2009 5:46 p.m.

    It is discouraging to read the absurd views of the presumably LDS readers of the Deseret News. For those too ignorant to understand, Mr. Reid does NOT have to agree with every position of the Church's leaders to be a "good LDS"; it doesn't belong to Thomas Monson or DesNews readers. Mormonism can and does change long-held positions many believe unchangeable, as it did in 1978. We just have to wait for the Lord to speak. Finally, marriage has long been practiced in cultures in Asia and elsewhere that had no clue about "Judeo-Christianity." It is a secular institution for most of the world. Besides, if the number of people permitted in a marriage can change in Utah, why can't the genders of the participants?

  • Wide load
    Oct. 14, 2009 5:39 p.m.

    Harry Reid is RIGHT! Get your BIG NOSES out of the business of everyone else. Sometimes it's simply a good idea not to be so bossy, pushy, obsessive in your behavior and out of control, nor a busy body who noses around in the affairs of others which do NOT concern you. Go say a prayer and try to manage your own life and leave others ALONE! Work on your own salvation and stop mouthing-off every time you think you know it all.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 14, 2009 5:27 p.m.

    Go, Harry, go!

  • hippo
    Oct. 14, 2009 5:25 p.m.

    Everyone has a right to their opinion. I myself have found many religious people quite evil and deceptive.

  • Balance
    Oct. 14, 2009 5:25 p.m.

    There's Harry Reid on the Left.

    There's Glenn Beck on the Right.

    Now the That's Balance... for those of
    "High Profile" status from the LDS community
    of believers.

  • Fan
    Oct. 14, 2009 5:07 p.m.

    I support Harry Reid. He is a hero and excellent leader in Washington. I'm happy he spoke up about this issue. He went to my College - Southern Utah University and I am proud of that. I am a Mormon also and a Democrat. I think the church crosses the lines of church and state too many times. I will be voting for him in the next Nevada election. Go Harry Reid!

  • To Laker Fan
    Oct. 14, 2009 5:00 p.m.

    Um...what on earth are you talking about? Who cares how many championships LA has? What does that have to do with ANYTHING AT ALL that we're talking about?

  • Thanfully
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:52 p.m.

    Mr. Reid is not a leader in the Church. I can't wait for his time in Washington to come to an end!

  • Laker Fan
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:52 p.m.

    All you people in Utah are so mean to us. I cannnot beleive the hatred you have toward gays and Laker fans. How many championships do the Jazz have?
    You may have won prop 8 but we won another championship in LA which the Jazz never will.

  • Reid
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:51 p.m.

    Reid is evidence that you can't be a Democrat and drink the Obummer Kool-aid and be a good christian.....

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:46 p.m.

    Reid and Pelosi are twins...from an alternate universe...I just know it.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:40 p.m.

    Prop 102 passed in Arizona, defining marriage as being between a man and a woman. Not one dime was contributed by Mormons. The campaign was fully (and to spare) funded by evangelicals and other groups in the state. Members of the church and communities did donate some time and effort to help it pass. In California, many of the voters were white, Asian, black and Hispanic. Those hoping to hang on to some semblance of civilization as has been ongoing for generations.

  • Justin
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:39 p.m.

    Before reading this story, I always had a ton of respect for Senator Reid. I've always been a supporter. Now all I can say now is that I'm deeply ashamed of him.

    Thanks, Harry, for helping perpetuate the notion that good Mormons can't be Democrats.

  • Horrible Article
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:36 p.m.

    Who prepares an article based on the statement of an individual about a statement of another individual made in passing in a private meeting? I am no supporter of Senator Reid and I completely disagree with his politics, but this story and any like it are irresponsible journalism. The header makes it sound like he came out with a statement criticizing the LDS church. What if he said he doesn't like the money the Church spends on BYU, would there then be a headline saying "Senate Majority Leader Criticizes the Lord's Annointed?" Give me a break, the writer needs to get a clue.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:32 p.m.

    Hanging the label "Marriage" on a homosexual union does not reverse a pathology. "A thorn by any other name is still a thorn."

  • @ Anonymous
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:25 p.m.

    Anonymous must have got his typing fouled up. He must have said he was on LSD and Reid is still a disgrace.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:23 p.m.

    Cats, who are you? You always have words of reason and intelligence. You used to say hi to Harry in the halls of congress?

  • And in a related story....
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:16 p.m.

    ... Harry Reid's son has announced he will be running for governor in Nevada. Must be running on his father's popularity.

    Oh wait, I see Sen. Reid is about 10 or 15 points behind in polling to the Republicans who plan to run against him next year.

  • Cats
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:14 p.m.

    To state or imply that the LDS Church has no right to speak out on issues outside of Utah is silly. The Catholic Church is based in Rome. I guess that means they have no right to speak out on anything outside of Vatican City...right?

    The LDS Church has the right to speak out on any subject that affects the children of God.

  • Reid - Leave it alone
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:10 p.m.

    Senator Reid, you have shown your alegence is to your party and not to your faith. Unfortunately you want to church to change its views to suit your party's. A scripture comes to mind about not serving two masters.

  • Ugh
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:02 p.m.

    LDS people donating to Prop. 8 is a waste of money, but campaign donations to elect Reid isn't a waste of money?

  • Gosh
    Oct. 14, 2009 3:59 p.m.

    Well gosh golly gee. If Henry Reid disagrees I guess the LDS Church better change it's policy on prop 8. They can't be in opposition to the great Henry Reid.

    Last I checked Henry Reid was not a general authority so who cares.

  • Howie
    Oct. 14, 2009 3:58 p.m.

    If this story is true about the Senator Reid...he has been in the beltway far too long and lost his way. His time and fame will eventually end when he isn't re-elected next time around. People forget senate majority one could probably remember who they were a decade after they leave Washington.

  • Who Cares
    Oct. 14, 2009 3:54 p.m.

    Who cares what Mr. Reid says. The guy only has two brain cells.

  • Nuts
    Oct. 14, 2009 3:29 p.m.

    You people are nuts. All Reid said was that he AGREED with the Church's position on marriage, but disagreed with the Church's tactics in California. This is hardly grounds to call for his excommunication or to label as an "extremist" or as "deceived." So, LDS folk, take a deep breath, summon up your best "Christian" face, and cut Senator Reid some slack. He does far more good for the Church than harm. Plus, I recall a few conservative Republicans having a problem with the Church's MX Missile statement years ago, i.e., Jim Hansen. No one called for his excommunication.

  • Re: Anonymous | 12:25
    Oct. 14, 2009 3:10 p.m.

    "The backlash from prop 8 may unseat your highest ranking Mormon politician. LDS takes pride in Reid's power and position. Reid also gives the nearly ENTIRELY republican Mormon politicians the "cover" of a faint hint of bipartisanship."

    Uh, clearly you don't know many Mormons, then. Reid has been an embarrassment to the members of the church for a long time. He sold out his beliefs for political power. We don't take pride in Reid's position and power, we wish he'd shut the heck up already and stop making the church and its members look bad.

    He's certainly allowed his own opinion, but to claim membership in a church when every single one of your public actions runs contrary to the beliefs of that church is a bit silly. The rest of us are allowed our own opinions as well, and many of us do not support Reid or his political stances, and we will not be voting for him.

  • to: one thought
    Oct. 14, 2009 2:42 p.m.

    whether or not they were born that way is not the issue. engaging in homosexual behavior is a sin. just because you were born a heterosexual doesn't mean you can commit adultery. if they truly beleive they were born that way, then they must fight to either change, or remain abstinent. there are plenty of heterosexuals who go through their whole lives without engaging in sexual activity. saying you were born gay is a poor excuse to break the commandments of god and force everyobne else to acknowledge that it is not a sin.

    and to: Pagan | 9:16 a.m.
    when has it become a crime to care for others that are not your near neighbors? this is still america and besides, you argument is completly flawed. there are many LDS members in california. plus, why are all the attacks being directed to the LDS church? we weren't the only ones who voted or contributed you know? get your facts straight. oh, and you argument of "it was legal" is stupid. so what if it was? now it's not. and this time it was millions who voted, not just five liberal judges.

  • @Pagan
    Oct. 14, 2009 2:40 p.m.

    The gay population is less than 2%. All respected studies show that. The 10% number came from the Kinsey study which has been invalidated over and over again.

  • Emjay
    Oct. 14, 2009 2:38 p.m.

    @Pagan: Gays amount to only 1% of the population no matter how much propoganda they publish. BUT, regardless of how many laws they pass or how much hatred they spew out a homosexual relationship will NEVER BE A MARRIAGE...worlds without end.

    And...there will be no improprieties found in the LDS Church's activities during the Prop 8 battle. No laws were broken and every single activity the Church leaders participated in was completely cleared by their attornies in advance.

    We have become so lost from truth and right in this world that many actually believe the garbage these people put out. I wonder how much time there is left for us as a civilization.

    These are the times the scriptures describe as the last days. These are the people the scriptures try to warn and warn us about. SO TRAGIC.

  • to: someone said
    Oct. 14, 2009 2:30 p.m.

    i agree, this is not a real article. an article is supposed to be about fact and this is nothing more than hearsay. however, i wouldn't be suprised if reid actually said that. he is constantly favoring issues that are agaisnt the church. the worst part of it is he says they are in tune with the gospel. a while back, he said that because the democratic party emphazises on helping the poor, it is more in tune with the LDS church. although he is right in that respect, i don't think god wants us to help the poor and at the same time call his prophet a criminal(that is what the church is being called because of prop 8), support the killing of millions of babies, and chage his eternal law of marriage. if he truly didn't want to be republican because they promote wealth and not helping the poor, then he should run independently, or at least find a party that doesn't go against church doctrine. no matter how you cut it, he is a liar. either to excuse himself for standing on the wrong side, or because of political ambition.

  • concerned for our freedom
    Oct. 14, 2009 2:20 p.m.

    sadly, Mr Reid has done more to damage our freedoms in his leadership time period I say vote him out please I do not care that he is LDS get rid of him now. I am from the same religion as he but I do not believe what he says at all period.

  • Bro. Senator Reid
    Oct. 14, 2009 2:20 p.m.

    Good on you.

    Our Pioneer ancestors were driven out by Conservatives for our Mormon Liberalism.

    And I can see were the REAL hatred within the LDS really is.

    It appears that the good has become evil.
    Beware the Evil behind smiling eyes.

  • wow
    Oct. 14, 2009 2:10 p.m.

    Pagan | 11:52 a.m. Oct. 14, 2009
    "And gay men/women are 10% of the world..."

    Even the best estmiates are at about 2-4% but why stick to facts when you have an ideology to rationalize

    I am homosexual - but it is zealotry like this that makes me loathe to use the term gay to describe myself - I tire of the silly hyperbole of "gay" drama politics

  • Case Lawrence
    Oct. 14, 2009 2:08 p.m.

    Any comparison of the deployment of resources between the LDS Church and the Democratic Party immediately results in such a resounding conclusion in the Church's favor that no kindergartner, visitor to welfare square, nor US Senator could ever deny with a straight face. Out.

  • wow
    Oct. 14, 2009 2:03 p.m.

    re: Pagan | 9:16 a.m. Oct. 14, 2009

    "California and Hawaii are not Utah, where the LDS church is based out of."

    Are you suggesting Al Sharpton keep his politics confined to his home base in New York?

    The implication that the LDS Churh has no right to speak outside of Utah is completely bigoted and absurd (and unfotunately, typical of left wing hysteria).

  • Cats
    Oct. 14, 2009 1:58 p.m.

    I used to say "hi" to Harry Reid every day in the halls of Congress. He is a nice guy and I do believe he is devoted to the Church.

    HOWEVER, he has been off the reservation for a long time with many of his views. To be as FAR LEFT as he is and still be a member of the Church shows he has adopted TWO COMPETING PHILOSOPHIES.

    No man can serve two masters. What will be his choice.

  • wow
    Oct. 14, 2009 1:57 p.m.

    re: Someone said | 6:05 p.m. Oct. 13, 2009
    "that someone said, that Reid said... Come on Deseret News did you really publish this gossip piece? "

    I agree - this story is a silly heresay gossip piece that has been spun wildly, but the Tribune broke the "story", even though it is journalistically shakey (which is typical of their tabloid mentality), so the News had to print it to avoid critics accusing them of censorship

    This is lose/lose for the D News

    Although I am curious: has Reid ever criticized Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson for their use of the pulpit for politcal reasons? Does Reid want to abolsih the Martin Luther King holiday becasue he used the pulpit to expose his views? Or does Reid merely typify left wing hypocristy in its most blatant form.

    Jump on that story D News.

  • John Pack Lambert
    Oct. 14, 2009 1:53 p.m.

    The Church is always very open and public about what it supports.
    What would be "drenched in LDS funds"? That Latter-day Saints contributed to those comapigns? That is a right of Latter-day Saints. For it to have any meaning you would have to prove that the Church itself organized and encoraged such donations.
    I guess since Orson Scott Card being on NOM's board proves it is a "Mormon front", you probably already have enough "proof" for youropinions.

  • Mad
    Oct. 14, 2009 1:51 p.m.

    The CONSTITUTION is hanging by a string and Reid is doing everything he can to cut that string!

  • John Pack Lambert
    Oct. 14, 2009 1:42 p.m.

    To the 9:27 commentator,
    I hope you don't live in Utah for you own sake. With so many races being a Latter-day Saint running against a Latter-day Saint, you would feel bad all the time.
    I used to try to like Senator Reid, but when he was one of less than 15 senators to vote against 1st-admendment exemptions to the hate crimes act I realized he was an enemy of the bill of rights, and one of the more extreme members of the senate.

  • Cosmo
    Oct. 14, 2009 1:35 p.m.

    Even many of the Elect will be deceived!

  • John Reynolds
    Oct. 14, 2009 12:43 p.m.

    This brother of Nancy Pelozi is a shame for the state of Nevada and for the LDS people !
    His views and leftist actions are all against what the LDS Church professes. It's time he was excommunicated.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 14, 2009 12:25 p.m.

    The backlash from prop 8 may unseat your highest ranking Mormon politician. LDS takes pride in Reid's power and position. Reid also gives the nearly ENTIRELY republican Mormon politicians the "cover" of a faint hint of bipartisanship.
    If Maine and WA initiatives are found drenched in LDS funds, you just killed Reid's political career.

  • mark
    Oct. 14, 2009 12:10 p.m.

    There are no coincidences.
    I believe Harry Reid and the LDS elders KNOW massive amounts of donations to National Organization of Marriage and against Maine and WA state ballot initiatives is about to be publicly revealed.
    When has Reid ever publicly told LDS what they shouldn't be doing?
    The absurd analogy of elder Oaks to Black Civil Rights oppression, which they know will adamantly anger EVERY Black Civil Rights leader...isn't an accident.
    Utah residents Mormon and non Mormon should realize the backlash after prop 8 (after the fact), will seem minor if LDS again is secretly funneling money into additional states Human Rights issues.
    LGBTs and our straight allies SEE everything you do, we knew within days of emails sent to Illinois.
    You've had fair warning the BOYCOTTS of every Utah product and tourism including Sundance is going to be repeated...but HARSHER.

  • Pagan
    Oct. 14, 2009 11:52 a.m.

    'Virtually every Mormon I talk to in NV say they will NEVER vote for Harry again!'

    Good thing not everyone is mormon then, eh?

    If mormon's are less than 2% of America...

    And gay men/women are 10% of the world...

    who is the 'majority' here?

    Well done Mr Reid! Well done!

  • Not a Democrat nor a Utahn
    Oct. 14, 2009 11:14 a.m.

    Harry Reid is a well-respected and valued member of the LDS Church. Those who know him well would unequivocally state that he is a devoted Church member and one seeks to advance the interests of the Church. If the article is correct, it appears that he may have a difference of opinion on this particular issue. Of course, that single issue is not grounds for demonization or beatification. Politics is a nuanced business--the art of the possible. Mr. Reid has disappointed me in at least one regard, however. After Mr. Daschle was defeated and Mr. Reid became Majority Leader, I had hopes that his participation would result is a more decorous tone of discussion among the parties and would, among other things, end the partisan gridlock on judicial nominees. I was disappointed when this did not happen. Still, the career of a public servant ought to be measured by more than one issue. Those who spew venom (either for or against) on this particular issue ought to seek a better grasp of both their temper and their ability to express themselves.

  • Martin
    Oct. 14, 2009 11:02 a.m.

    "Freedom of Religion Under Attack" should have been the headline for this one.

  • Change Coming to NV
    Oct. 14, 2009 10:55 a.m.

    Virtually every Mormon I talk to in NV say they will NEVER vote for Harry again! And this voting block has carried him to victory time and time again. In fact, his son Rory will have a very hard time in his campaign for NV Governor simply because of his name. Harry brags about having $25 million for his campaign but the jig is up, no longer can he come home and tell us he's "Independent, like Nevada" and expect us to believe it. Change is coming Harry, and your at the top of the list!!!

  • Asaph
    Oct. 14, 2009 10:49 a.m.

    Reid is as two-faced as almost every other politician and will say whatever he feels he has to do get ahead. As a prominent LDS his comments harm the rest of us, but I don't expect millionaire Senate elitist Reid or porn-peddling Marriots to ever see church rebuke, let alone discipline, for their Gadianton and Zoramite behavior. I am the one who would be the court of love recipient if I said so in public so I am saying it here.

  • Goodby
    Oct. 14, 2009 10:27 a.m.

    I hope the Nevada voters send Harry back to the Nevada desert. He is and a disgrace to the state of Nevada and the LDS Church.

  • Mismanagement of Resources
    Oct. 14, 2009 10:18 a.m.

    This is actually pretty funny coming from the senate majority leader. No other organization in the country is worse at properly handling resources than congress.

  • Stuart G. Crump
    Oct. 14, 2009 10:04 a.m.

    How ironic that Elder Oaks gave a talk on this very topic yesterday. I'll be sure to send it to the Senator.

  • Mike
    Oct. 14, 2009 9:58 a.m.

    The Church doesn't have to do anything about Dirty Harry. His mouth is doing it all by himself. Since Reid has been the Majority Leader, he has become nothing but a shill for the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy. He used to be fairly moderate before. I guess now he enjoys the power that comes with his job and doesn't want to jeopardize it by saying anything that goes against the puppet master George Soros.

    Dirty Harry ought to have the guts to come out and say that he indeed said what is being attributed to him instead of the hearsay.

    Watch out for his swing to the right (at least in Nevada) to try to get re-elected.

  • What Surprize?
    Oct. 14, 2009 9:32 a.m.

    I don't know why anyone would be surprized at what Harry Reid just said. His statements and views have shown that his loyalty to the Democrat Party and his national leadership post are more important than any other loyalty in his life including the people of Nevada.

  • Pagan
    Oct. 14, 2009 9:16 a.m.

    'Moreover, the reasons why they cite as "look what may happen" incidents took place where, guess what - same-sex marriage was not/is not even legal to begin with. Go figure.'

    Wrong again.

    Same-sex marriage was very much legal in california before prop 8.

    Oh, and the LDS church also succesfully campaigned in Hawaii also.

    California and Hawaii are not Utah, where the LDS church is based out of.

    And the gay community (on average) do not attend LDS ceremony, as the LDS church condems these people.

    Or would someone like to give me an example otherwise?

    So, here you have 1) Past actions by the LDS church targeting a group not claiming to adhere to it's belief's and 2) In area's not geographically within it's typical sphere of influence. And last 3) The LDS church tried to legislate inter-racial marriage as well.

    The 'what might happen if' arguments are very real as example after example has been given of the LDS church going after other groups again and again who want nothing to do with them.

    Regardless of who you are, you really are, next.

  • Hearsay
    Oct. 14, 2009 8:53 a.m.

    This whole article is hearsay and there's nothing that proves that Reid even made the statement. Even so, whether you agree with Prop 8 or not, that's pretty audacious and arrogant of Reid to think that he knows more about what the Church should do with charitable funds than the Church leaders do. His alleged comment does not speak to gay-rights, but to Church management. He must think he can do a better job of running a world-wide church. Stick to politics, Harry.

  • Boston, MA
    Oct. 14, 2009 8:52 a.m.

    The Church was (and still is) defending marriage between a man and a woman, not "going after gay people".

  • Vince
    Oct. 14, 2009 8:48 a.m.

    John Lambert

    The reasons why you cite Prop 8, what "might" happen are nothing more than fear tactics.

    What would happen, indeed....

    * churches would be sued?
    * Parents would have no say what the children are taught

    etc. etc. etc.

    All make believe.

    None of this was stated in the working of the Proposition. Not one.

    The proposition in essence only defined marriage exclusive between a man and a woman in California. The rest of what you saw in cites as protect marriage were only used as nothing more than campaign tactics.

    If we were to believe that those things would happen, they would have already happened, say in Massachusetts, Canada, you know the story....

    When people cite other anecdotes such as "look at what has happened already in such and such a place" the stories are taken out of context. Every single one. Moreover, the reasons why they cite as "look what may happen" incidents took place where, guess what - same-sex marriage was not/is not even legal to begin with. Go figure.

    However, they still market the ideas, and people will believe.

  • Pagan
    Oct. 14, 2009 8:44 a.m.

    Prop 8 was a very sad thing. And it happened. All those who wish it would just 'go away' need to accept this fact and not try to avoid responsibility for it.

    Religions legislated your rights in America.

    Next? Woman should wear Burka's. Slavery made legal and shellfish banned.

    Let's be real, everyone is entitled to they're faith, however that faith is not based on fact.

    Want proof? Ok. Let's make a woman from a man's rib.

    The LDS church made itself look bad by legislating a group who has no connection with them.

    Your next.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 14, 2009 8:22 a.m.

    As an LDS member and Nevada resident, I applaud Brother Reid for speaking his mind. I admire him for doing so, and will vote for him again at the next chance I get. We need more people like him to speak their minds!

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 14, 2009 7:38 a.m.

    I'm LDS, and Sen. Reid is 100% correct.

  • Comments Summary
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:27 a.m.

    Okay, we get it. In general, as long as a member agrees with every single thing the Church says or does, you love them.
    The second they disagree with anything the Church says or does.........they are enemy number one.

    THAT attitude is why there are people out there calling the Church a cult.

  • Oh Really?
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:21 a.m.

    Mike -"The church will never change its stance on the issue". I am sure the same was said about Blacks and Polygamy. My those revelations can come in quite handy sometimes.
    Steve -"Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God" -- or is that "a man and a woman and a woman and a woman...." Looks like there is some "wiggle room" here. lol

  • One Thought
    Oct. 14, 2009 4:20 a.m.

    I am LDS and believe marriage is between a man and a woman. But I also can completely see why those opposed to Prop 8 and who support gay marriage feel it is their right to do so and not an attack on religious institution or religious freedoms. If we were to change the word "gay" to inter-racial, then we would all agree with what they are saying. Gays believe just because they are born a certain way should not prevent them from being able to enjoy the happiness of marriage. If marriage were defined to be between a white man and white woman, non-whites would make the same argument. So the issue really becomes whether you feel gays are born gay or not. It's not really fair or right to say, sorry, this is just the way it is and it has always been, so you cannot enjoy the blessing of marriage.

    I may not be making any sense but I can see why gays feel their rights are being trampled.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 14, 2009 1:44 a.m.

    Oh, I love it. Someone's going to get grounded.

  • Dear Mr. Reid
    Oct. 14, 2009 12:38 a.m.

    I disagree with you. As a Nevada resident, I won't be voting for you.

  • ReNae
    Oct. 14, 2009 12:28 a.m.

    The Church doesn't spend time taking people down. People like Harry Reid take themselves down. He has a largely conservative constituency and if he doesn't represent their views they'll use their votes to remove him. How does the church have anything to do with that? If you listen to public statements from the Church leaders you'll notice they don't talk about politics.

  • Las Vegas
    Oct. 14, 2009 12:14 a.m.

    Harry, your 15 minutes of fame are almost over. Enjoy the last minute or two. I'll be voting for someone else come the next election.

  • The Deuce
    Oct. 14, 2009 12:09 a.m.

    I believe all of us recognize the need for equal rights. The division comes when we start to try and re-define terms such as marriage that have historically and religiously been defined for the ages. I respect the need for the Gay/Lesbian couple to have equal rights under the law. Therefore, I support changing Federal Law to recognize both Civil Unions and Domestic Partnerships with those same rights. I do not support changing the definition of marriage as the union of a same-sex couple is not marriage as defined as a union between a man and a woman. Now as for Jeff, please come and try to move me out of the way. I look forward to that discussion.

  • Two point
    Oct. 13, 2009 11:54 p.m.

    I would never in this lifetime accept anything Harry Reid said. As Peter said, the tongue is in a slippery place and Harry Reid has shot off his mouth any many earlier occasions showing he has no ability to control himself.

    The scriptures teach against homosexuality and if you are a believer in Jesus Christ then you are a believer in the scritures. Therefore you cannot accept the stance of the gays. The scriptures also teach that a "MAN: shall leave his parents and join to a "WOMAN" and they shall be one. Period.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 13, 2009 11:49 p.m.

    By all means, practice your religion all you want. Just don't use your religion to tell me I can't excercise my basic human rights.

  • Re: Jeff
    Oct. 13, 2009 11:35 p.m.

    Please let me practice my religion as prescribed by the CONSTITUTION. Quit persecuting the LDS for our beliefs. I find the GLTB agenda as the epitome of hypocrisy and intolerance. The LDS and organized religion are the persecuted ones here.

  • Dan
    Oct. 13, 2009 11:32 p.m.

    Keep in mind that ancient Egypt had politics and practices that were abominable to Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, yet Joseph rose to second in command in that country. Joseph's political power saved his father's family.

    We live in a time where things may be getting rough for religion. Even though I don't agree with Harry Reid on several issues, having him in a powerful position may save us Latter Day Saints from who-knows-what else that may be coming down the pipe in future years.

  • Tolerance Claims?
    Oct. 13, 2009 11:23 p.m.

    So much for all those claims of wanting tolerance of their views. Most comments here show no tolerance for Brother Reid's views.

    So strange how the mention of a Gay or Lesbian person brings out such a vitriolic response on this website.

    If this is how LDS members show their love, please keep it to yourselves.

  • Reid
    Oct. 13, 2009 10:52 p.m.

    Never cared for the man's politicking ways - and don't care for what he's doing now. He's trying to put himself into a "good" light for all the world to see, but all I see is hypocrisy on his part.

    Choose, Brother Reid. Choose well.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 13, 2009 10:26 p.m.

    Thank you, Brother Reid! More and more church members are speaking out. Change will come!

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 13, 2009 10:25 p.m.

    You go, Harry!

  • Bob Newsome
    Oct. 13, 2009 10:13 p.m.

    Harry Reid is entitled to his opinion but I'm glad that it is in the open. I hope the people in Nevada get the message. I sure did. I hope he gets beat by a landslide.

  • Look for the Signs
    Oct. 13, 2009 10:09 p.m.

    Won't be surprised if even more people start opposing and persecuting the church. Read about it in the scriptures.

  • Alysia
    Oct. 13, 2009 9:51 p.m.

    He is entitled to his opinion. Hence the Bill of Rights, and the Articles of Faith. I might not always like peoples opinions, but they do have a right to have them.

  • K
    Oct. 13, 2009 9:50 p.m.

    Resources could have been put to better use?

    Now he's redistributing church and fellow believer's financial and time resources?

    When you are professed member of a faith and comment on the church you risk much when you speak publicly. Take Nancy Pelosi needs to be more than reprimanded for her statements on the Catholic Church and is in serious breech with her voting. Yes it's true she should vote her views but if those views are separate she need not remain Catholic. If you are going to be in a position of leadership and you wish to be connected with a faith you have a greater responsiblity not to misguide other's about the tenants of that faith.

  • I know Harry Reid
    Oct. 13, 2009 9:45 p.m.

    Has Harry Reid ever been right on anything?
    This is just the Harry Reid I know.

  • Robert Watson
    Oct. 13, 2009 9:30 p.m.

    Senator Reid has every right to speak as he sees fit. It is our right to listen, accept, or reject what he says. He does not speak for the church so when he is reported saying that the church should do this or do that - or should not have done this or that - he invalidates himself.

  • Standing for Something
    Oct. 13, 2009 9:27 p.m.

    I'm glad Mr. Reid has clearly shown where he stands when it comes to the gospel. Now I don't have to feel bad about completely opposing a fellow LDS.

  • Not LDS to me
    Oct. 13, 2009 9:07 p.m.

    He doesn't seem like a Mormon.

  • I see him
    Oct. 13, 2009 8:38 p.m.

    At church every week. I don't agree with him but he certainly isn't "leaving the church". Gimme a break.

  • Savage Sam
    Oct. 13, 2009 8:36 p.m.

    Way to go Senator Reid! Keep on doing what you can to undermine the teachings of those very individuals you raised your hand in support of on Oct. 3-4. Try reading the Constitution sometime you might find it interesting. Especially the part about freedom of expression, freedom of religion, you know, junk like that. If you really don't think marriage is a religious issue, maybe you should try another interesting tome; The Doctrine and Covenants.

  • Canadiandy
    Oct. 13, 2009 8:30 p.m.

    Wolves in sheeps' clothing.

    I wonder if Mormons will be voting for him again?

    His true colors are shining through.

  • Really?!
    Oct. 13, 2009 8:00 p.m.

    This guy is LDS?

  • John Pack Lambert
    Oct. 13, 2009 7:56 p.m.

    to the 6:14 commentator,
    homosexuality is legal. All laws against homosexual behavior were wiped away by Lawrence v. Texas.
    The issue of Prop 8 was two fold. 1, should the government recognize same-gender marriage and 2, was not doing so a matter of violating equal protection law. Some of the implications of not passing Prop 8 were things that could actually happen if it passed, it just would mean that they would have to be pushed through in drawn out battles instead of being assumed from the start.

  • Reid is a
    Oct. 13, 2009 7:47 p.m.

    Democrat. If you have questions about him take a look at their platform and the legislation they support. For Reid to support the homos in one of the most sacred ordinations is beyond contempt. I think he might leave the church at some point. Probably after he is soundly defeated in the next election.

  • Keiji
    Oct. 13, 2009 7:04 p.m.

    Soon it is possible that Harry Reid's views won't be newsworthy. He is losing in polls to two different Republican nominees currently. I guess he has a right to his views.

  • About Reid
    Oct. 13, 2009 7:00 p.m.

    I, too, question Harry Reid's devotion to the LDS Church. He has every right to believe as he wants to do, but it is hard to consider him to be in full fellowship with the LDS Church doctrine when he takes positions which are totally opposed to the teachings of the Church. I personally heard him criticize, at a meeting of a small group of LDS Area Public Relations people, the then President of the Quorun of the 12 who later became President of the church. He wasn't very respectful about it, either. I wondered at the time why he affiliated himself with the church if his views were so different and his opinions of its leaders so disrespectful.
    His views have gotten even further from the teachings of the church since then.

  • Reid voter
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:53 p.m.

    I'm ashamed to admit I voted for Reid in 2004, the last time he stood for election. I won't get the chance to vote against him in 2010, since I'm no longer a Nevada resident, but, pretty much EVERYONE I know in Nevada WILL do so.

    Harry has lost all credibility with those that elected him and has now shown crystal-clear what he values most.

    And, it's NOT us, the people that elected him.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:51 p.m.

    Uh oh. Mr Reid stepped out of line with the juggernaut... or so it would seem. Watch The Church destroy his career.

  • WMJ
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:49 p.m.

    Let me say without reservation or purpose of harry reid is anything but sober and is veering off the edge of insanity.

    He has been THE WORST SENATE MAJORITY LEADER the USA has seen and will ever see based on the damage he has done to our international image. The warts on the frog (terrorists) keep getting bigger and more toxic every time he speaks.

    It is horrifying how his comments have emboldened evil and appeased selfish dysfunctional ignorance from the radical homosexual community who in the big scheme of things contribute NOTHING but division, disease and hatred in our society. Just google it and connect the dots.

  • re: Bruce
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:37 p.m.

    Your comment like many others on LDS related articles is redundant. No one goes into your house without permission. No one has forced religion on you. You sound like a child who doesn't get his own way. Grow up, get a life.

  • corey
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:37 p.m.

    the lds church has views on the issues surrounding all of us. just because their views are differant than others does not justify brutal attacks on it, just the same as brutal attacks on other points of view (gay) desirve the same consideration. stop being lds bashers.

  • Jeff
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:35 p.m.

    Gays will never be satisfied as being separate but equal. We want legal marraige, and want it to be called that. Period.

  • Vince
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:28 p.m.

    I do not believe this is a trivial article.

    The very issue hits the interest of both sides every time this issue comes up. Obviously it is of interest.

    Gossip, on the hand, that's yellow journalism such as Hollywood who's in and whos's out, etc.

    But this, this affects people's lives, particularly gays.

  • Steve
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:28 p.m.

    Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God! May God protect and uphold marriage as defined by the Lord himself (and as taught Judeo-Christian scriptures for thousands of years). May all children of God diligently maintain and strengthen the family and defend the right of children to be born within the bonds of matrimony to a mother and father.

  • Mark
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:26 p.m.

    If this is true, I think there are two implications:

    1) I have more respect for Harry Reid than every before, and

    2) LDS Church leaders will pressure Reid to recant or face disciplinary action in the near future.

    I hope he stands his ground.

  • Bruce
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:24 p.m.

    To Mike:.......The mormon church changes its stance on issues all the time...its doctrine is very very very very very very fluid. Frankly I don't care what the church believes, doesn't believe, or practice so long as they stay out of my house and my personal dealings. It would be good if the Church adopted the same attitude of practicing their religion as they see fit and letting other live their lives as they see fit.

  • Arizona
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:23 p.m.

    Reid needs to go. He spoke at my law school and I remember thinking, "how did that guy get to where he is at?" He was one of the most underwhelming people I have ever met. Hopefully Nevadans get it right finally and boot him out of office.

  • To Jeff
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:22 p.m.

    Do you not realize that you already have the right to be married just like the rest of us?

  • THEeyepatch
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:18 p.m.

    UNDER GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Priorities
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:14 p.m.

    Stating, in passing, that resources "could have been better used..." is not what constitutes criticism.

    What Reid needs to do is focus more on the things that matter most to American's. Lower taxes and NO public health plan!

  • Riki
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:14 p.m.

    It is better the Church never changes its stance on this issue. If homosexuality is legal, then attempt to suicide should also be legal and what about abortion and merci killings? - which of course is insanity. In my opinion, LDS is doing a good job.

  • Shame on Washington
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:14 p.m.

    Washington criticized the LDS Church's efforts to pass Prop 8 in CA as "a waste of donated money to go after gay people"

    Excuse me? "go after" gay people? So their effort to pass Prop 8 is their bigotry against straight people?

    It is the same arrangement that if you disagree from Obama you must be a racist.

    We still have a few freedoms in this country (for now) and one of them is freedom of speech.

    And I think Mr. Washington in this article is shameful in his gay rhetoric.

    Grow up.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:10 p.m.

    Mr. Reid is not a Church spokesman. He has not been called and set apart to speak on Church direction. Mr. Reid has no official role in dictating anything to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Mr. Reid needs to tread lightly in his opinions on how the Church spends money or allocates its considerable weight in defense of traditional social issues. Mr. Reid is simply a member of the LDS Church much like millions of others. He should behave accordingly and keep his comments out of the newspapers and the blogs. The LDS Church were among the first to render aid in Katrina, Africa, Samoa, India, and the list goes on and on. Perhaps Mr. Reid should take note.

  • Someone said
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:05 p.m.

    that someone said, that Reid said... Come on Deseret News did you really publish this gossip piece?

  • Jeff
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:02 p.m.

    Kit, You must be heterosexual and enjoy the right to marry. No, we will never get over Prop 8 or any other legal rights for gay people. We deseverve the same rights as you, and will continue forever with every effort to get them. We will not go away. So can you please just get over yourself and get out of my way?

  • Duh
    Oct. 13, 2009 6:00 p.m.

    Oh so we don't even know what he said, this is what someone else said that he said. Now I understand. When I hear it from his lips, I will believe it otherwise this is a stupid article.

  • mike
    Oct. 13, 2009 5:47 p.m.

    The church will never change its stance on the issue. Unlike the world, the church will never change its position especially on an issue like this.

  • Kit
    Oct. 13, 2009 5:47 p.m.

    Can we please get over Prop 8. The entire state of California voted and prop 8 won. 1% of California is LDS.
    I go to church every Sunday here in Utah and not once did I get asked or hear anyone else get asked to participate in prop 8. It was a California issue and if the members there wanted to be involved that's their right.
    If the people in Utah wanted to be involved as well... that was their right too. But the Church not once asked its members in Utah to join in this campaign!
    Even the leaders who were involved ie. Whitney Clayton are from California. It was their right to be involved.