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  • Miles and Fes
    Oct. 11, 2009 9:21 p.m.

    Why--Fesenko has an injury--heel I think that has kept him out. That is the reason he has not played although I wonder if they are not seeing any progress and would considering waiving him to make a roster spot for several free-agents. Probably not but the Jazz have done it before; although not with the current luxary tax implications.

    Miles is clearly a better athlete than Korver and Korver so far connects a little bit better on threes. Both give good effort on D, but the nod goes to Korver on decision making. Korver rarely misses an assignment or takes a forced shot. CJ can make some bone-head decisions at times. If he can get the mental game down he will have a very bright future and will be the player that Jazz brass hoped for when they matched. Without the improvement in game-smarts he will continue to be a sometimes-used rotation guy. I like Korver's game and attitude but I would love to see Miles earn the minutes by helping the team not just having the ability to jump higher.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 10, 2009 10:23 a.m.


  • Why
    Oct. 10, 2009 9:57 a.m.

    isn't Fesenko playing in any of the preseason games???

  • Re Korver vs miles
    Oct. 9, 2009 6:06 p.m.

    oops...I meant "Slackathon"

    Oct. 9, 2009 5:44 p.m.

    There's no statistical evidence that supports claims that Miles is "wayyyyyy" better at shooting! Or anything else for that matter.

  • HintZ
    Oct. 9, 2009 5:35 p.m.

    Somebody besides Miles loves CJ! I like CJ but I do not care for Miles!

  • miles
    Oct. 9, 2009 5:18 p.m.

    miles is a wayyyyyy better shooter than Korver!!!!!,wow man what Jazz games are you watching,don`t rebounds,assists and defense matter at all ? how about playing a team game within Sloan`s system? how long have you been a Jazz fan...a week or so???

  • Scotty Boy
    Oct. 9, 2009 5:14 p.m.

    Yes if you think about it, C. J. was just coming on before we got Korver. The Jazz had a 10 game or so winning streak with C.J. getting minutes and doing well. Then O Conner brought in Korver and everyone thought he was so neat. C.J.'s playing time and development took a big hit. All while Korver stuggled to find his shot which is about all his game consists of due to the lack of mobility and athletisism. Looks to me like we should have stuck with the kid. This is basketball not a pretty boy contest.

  • Miles
    Oct. 9, 2009 2:27 p.m.

    comma man, good to see you stirring it up with the "one trick pony" comment. Problem is you have used that same post for the past year. Why don't you ask your mamma to help you type a new post! I am sure she can come to the basement and bring her laptop.

  • Re: One trick pony
    Oct. 9, 2009 2:22 p.m.

    Trying hard by it's self doesn't make you a N B A player. It takes talent and athleticism with the effort. The Euro league and the Developmental league are full of players that try hard. Korver is a mirage that you and Sloan saw. Nothing more than a mirage.lol.

  • re: One trick pony
    Oct. 9, 2009 2:22 p.m.

    You missed the point.

    CJ currently shoots .352 and Korver shoots .386 for 3pt range.

    .03 difference...Wow...big deal!!

    So what if Korver "plays hard every possession on both Defense and Offense". He plays hard and he stinks at both.

    I am so tired of watching Korver clap his hands after his man beats him to the basket for a layup or when he is slow rotating on defense and provides no help. He is a witness mostly. If that is your definition of "playing hard" I am not interested.

    I am not saying CJ is currently the solution but he sure has ALOT more athletic talent to begin with.

    IF CJ can become more consistent then there is not even a point in this conversation because as mediocre as CJ may be right now, the rest of he and Korvers stats are essentially a wash/stalemate.

    So if you think that CJ stinks then that means, statistically, you think Korver does too because the past performance of both is terribly mediocre to poor.

    If CJ can't step up this season then he ought to be relegated to the bench or the trading block just like Korver.

    Oct. 9, 2009 1:53 p.m.

    Anybody who honestly thinks Maynor is going to get minutes this year is crazy! Unless Price or Williams has a major injury he's not gonna play. He's a rookie and this is Sloan we're talking about.

  • Bingnut
    Oct. 9, 2009 1:44 p.m.

    Alright Kufos in the starting line up is a stretch now but I see him as a Okur upgrade. Intact the Jazz over paid for Okur since there honestly is no other suiters. Okur is a stud though he is very limited. For a center Okur is limited in defensive intensity, speed, agility, and size. Kufos is not Tim Duncan but he is not handycapped in those ways.

    Oct. 9, 2009 1:39 p.m.

    Miles is right I guess. Boozer has to start because his giant EGO will cause problems in the locker room. Millsap will be disappointed but he's going to give full effort no matter what! So as much as I hate it... Boozer shouls start, Millsap off the bench.

    A good example of this was Iverson and Hamilton in Detroit last year. Iverson was a huge baby about starting, as a result they tried to play 3 guards at once, then they had Hamilton coming off the bench. The team chemistry was RUINED. I just hope that doesn't happen to the Jazz this year.

  • One trick pony
    Oct. 9, 2009 1:00 p.m.

    I`ll take KK "the one trick pony" anyday over miles the "no trick pony" Korvers one trick is to play hard every possession on both Defense and Offense...you bet.. I`ll take him anyday over the slacker with all "the potential"...when diaper boy was 18,it was... he`s only 18...only 19...only 20...on and on he`s now 22 and I hear "he`s only 22...when does he become a player??? at 40???

  • todd from santa ana
    Oct. 9, 2009 12:45 p.m.

    the conclusion I have come up watching the last 2 games.

    In my opinion, including the free agents that may not make this roster and the returning players, is this Jazz team is the most talented team I have seen since moving from New Orleans.

    I am not sold on Matthews he seems streaky and erratic. AK does not look like bones, and I have a feeling he will have a major resurgence.

    You can see Maynor has talent, just erratic shot and decision making at times

    I would like see how much mileage we can get from him as a #2 guard, but he needs to shoot better

  • wish
    Oct. 9, 2009 12:37 p.m.

    1 Price (at least he will push the ball)

    2 Williams (let him walk up last and shoot)

    3 Ak (we all know he should be a 4 but at least here he could touch the ball and pass it to someone who is open)

    4 Milsap (really too small but with ak and everyone else to pass it to him he gets easy shots under the basket)

    5 Koufus (at least he takes up space and works hard)

    seriously this team could get out on the break and run the slash the middle offense that sloan likes they would also play decent defense

    mostly I like it because any of the 3 could begin the offense and Williams could score more yes hes a great point but we need a scorer if you are not going to put Korver at the 2

  • todd from santa ana
    Oct. 9, 2009 12:36 p.m.

    Maybe spending the money was worth it and I doubted if he was worth it, but I always have loved Paul.

    After seeing him these last 2 games, he rocks and he is impressing all of us big time.

    The thing is he looks so much quicker.

    I did not know Kyle had a tattoo

    I saw it for the first time ladies last night

    Sure it made your day i guess near his chest area

  • ESPN says
    Oct. 9, 2009 12:17 p.m.

    ESPN Fantasy Projection (last updated: August 28, 2009)
    2010 Season Outlook
    Korver's value would be so much higher if he contributed in just one more category. But he doesn't, and Ronnie Brewer has the shooting guard minutes on lockdown. Korver's minutes will decrease, especially if Andrei Kirilenko posts anything resembling a bounce-back season and/or Carlos Boozer is on the roster. Don't waste a draft pick on Korver, as there are other 3-point specialists with higher upside and more chance for increased opportunities.

    It is not just my opinion. Korver is one dimestional and in that dimension (3pt shooting) he was very average (59th) last season.

  • Korver cronies
    Oct. 9, 2009 12:14 p.m.

    I can't believe all you guys who are so in love with Korver.

    You clearly have very little grasp of the game.

    His 3 pt shooting % is 59th in the league last season.

    Tell me why a guy like that who can't do anything else besides shoot FT's above average deserves to be a starter?


    Now, I am not arguing on Brewers behalf either. He can't throw it on the ocean standing on a cruise ship!

    I'm tire of these one dimensional players.

    CJ has the ability to shoot WAAAAAYYY better than both of them so if he could just learn to be average on defense he is by far the better candidate at two.

    Korver is at best a backup role player IF he improves his 3 pt shooting because it is VERY AVERAGE right now.

    Brewer is an athletic defender who does not even have to guarded outside the paint.

    Can you say LIABILITIES in the starting lineup? Either player is unacceptable...if you want to win anything besides regular season games that is.

    Brewer was embarrassed in the playoffs and Korver was no linchpin.

  • Trade AK
    Oct. 9, 2009 12:07 p.m.

    AK is solid at everything, but good at nothing. Without his contract, we'd be fine financially. Instead, we're going to be way over the luxury this year AND next. The Cavs have Big Z on the market, and we should try to get in on that. GS and the Cavs are talking Big Z for Jackson. I say we get in and trade AK to GS, Jax goes to Cleveland and we get Big Z and expirings.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 9, 2009 11:12 a.m.

    deron williams
    Ronnie Brewer
    Cj Miles
    Carlos Boozer

    2nd team


    Sitting the bench

  • Boozer
    Oct. 9, 2009 10:44 a.m.

    El Sol de Baloncesto reported Carlos Boozer is being traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers.

    This is newsworthy on all fronts as Carlos preformed a one-on-one interview with Gabriella Sabado Hernandez prior to Thurdays game in Espana.

    Carlos is reported to have said that it is a done deal in his mind. His family is in the process of moving as he returns back to the States.

  • Preseason
    Oct. 9, 2009 10:21 a.m.

    Means nothing. Mathews, just a prospect at this point. Nobody here is seeing what goes on in practice, keep that in mind when it comes to how people are doing. I wish AK could play in a different system. I have been somewhat impressed by Maynor's poise and passing ability. Here is my second unit, Koufos,Milsap,AK,Korver,Maynor. D-Will,CJ,Brewer,Memo,Booz as the first unit unless Memo and Booz show that their new defense isn't there. Price should play the two guard when things aren't going well or you want to go with a smaller line-up. I think Maynor has shown that he is a better distributer of the ball. Fess gets the call on the second unit against the bigger centers.

  • Dave
    Oct. 9, 2009 10:16 a.m.

    Hey "anonymous",

    Why do you have to come down on Korver? You say "dude couldn't guard my grandma one on one"

    Cut the guy some slack. Your grandma has a pretty good cross over dribble. It's not his fault he can't keep up with all that hair in his eyes.

    He's hot. I'm a dude but I gotta give the guy the props. He's a looker (in sort of a cro-magnum man kind of way)

  • hooray
    Oct. 9, 2009 9:59 a.m.

    Season is nearly here so now your comments even though rife with ignorance and misunderstanding can be somewhat relevant.

    Based upon comments and preseason we should bench the first string and let the second string and wannabes lead our team.

    Did anyone hear the announcer (Chris Webber who was an allstar) during the game when he said Boozer was better around the basket with either hand than he had been? Good thing we are planning to unload him, we do not want superstars on our team. We got Fes and....

    You people scare me. When the season begins we will need everyone of our starters healthy and at full speed. The preseason is for the second string to establish the pecking order if and only if they make the team but bread and butter players have been identified by what they have done in seasons past.

    Korver can beat my grandma..maybe. Brewer can't shoot as well as her though so we need help there.

    Koufous needs to eat some meat, perhaps without cooking it prior to each game.

    If they would only let me run things....

  • JazzRule
    Oct. 9, 2009 8:39 a.m.

    Is anyone else getting nervous about The Jazz's TV schedule OR the lack of one being announced??...

  • todd from santa ana
    Oct. 9, 2009 8:32 a.m.

    The "real" Real Madrid plays in the Bernabeu. They have 90 thousand watch them. Lsst night we played an inposter....

    Millsap looked great, very quick and explosive. I was happy Maynor came to life offensively. PLayed well defensively, but REal was too one dimensional with all those long straight away shots.

  • Miles
    Oct. 9, 2009 8:21 a.m.

    Korver a starter? Koufus played solid once again? Koufus and Fes as starters? Bring Eaton back? Korver best shooter on the team? Wes Matthews starting?

    And you think I am nuts!!

    Jerry is trying to destroy the chemistry of the team. If you don't start Boozer, he will cry the rest of the season and be useless. Stop the drama Jerry and tell Boozer he is the starter or we can write this season off.

  • FDR
    Oct. 9, 2009 6:12 a.m.

    Koufos played solid once again. He is still quite young, but he will be, and if given playing time, is right now a solid NBA pro. Like his defense. And that ridiculous OSU coach who said he couldn't play D or was soft. Ridiculous. He is our best defender. and led the team in rebounds these two preseason games. Wait til he is given time to play in this offense and his skills get utilized. Great athlete, runs the floor fantastic, and loves the game.

  • Two games
    Oct. 9, 2009 1:51 a.m.

    Let's see they play two games here and you are already deciding who can play and who can't. Give me a break. Just because some guy was in the dunking contest, does not mean he can play defense or score from the outside. HOw many times does a player get to do a slam dunk in a game. That is for the fans.

  • Fanny Pack of Superdell
    Oct. 8, 2009 10:13 p.m.

    Jazz should sign travis Hansen to just stand there, quite effective. Go Cougar go,

  • re: David O
    Oct. 8, 2009 10:09 p.m.

    I'd venture a guess he's doing much better than you career-wise, big guy.

  • at least some people pay
    Oct. 8, 2009 9:40 p.m.

    attention. It's the preseason. That means it is time to see who of the new guys should make the team, and avoid injuries to your starters. Come on, you guys can't be real NBA fans. you must just bet your money on the jazz. Pay attention.

  • Mont Stockings
    Oct. 8, 2009 9:39 p.m.

    Larry Miller was the man! There will never be another LHM! We were very lucky to have had him in our midst and in our Behive State! Larry H Miller, You Know This Guy

  • Happy Hermansen
    Oct. 8, 2009 9:35 p.m.

    Get Eaton Back! We have not had a decent Center since the Big Falla left!

  • Dennis
    Oct. 8, 2009 8:43 p.m.

    What happened to civility!

  • mediocrity
    Oct. 8, 2009 8:03 p.m.

    Another mediocre year for the Jazz.

  • I have a proposal
    Oct. 8, 2009 7:36 p.m.

    Suggest inviting 5 foreign teams to come and play in the summer league. I really missed it this summer. Last year when they had the Iranian national team it was fun seeing all the flags wave and national pride. If we had 5 teams it would be a mad house. The Orlando gig seems like an intersquade scrimage and of course we could never go Las Vegas after they stole the show.
    I would welcome some feedback good or bad on this idea.

  • The Man
    Oct. 8, 2009 7:27 p.m.

    Play Millsap at the "3"... dump miles,the clueless worthless slacker

  • Go Korver
    Oct. 8, 2009 7:15 p.m.

    We all have our favorites!!!! Can't wait to see a healthy Korver then we'll see who deserves the minutes!
    Korver is the best shooter on the team. If the Jazz had some plays designed for Korver he would be the high scorer every night!

  • jazzmonkey
    Oct. 8, 2009 6:45 p.m.

    Thank you re:Jazz Cop for calling out Korver. I'm not a hater and I am female, but come on Brewer plays so much better.

  • David o
    Oct. 8, 2009 6:07 p.m.

    There you go, former BYU Cougar Travis Hansen playing defense with his hands on his side. That BYU defense is really paying off.

    Oct. 8, 2009 5:38 p.m.

    I like what I see from Millsap. Hopefully Sloan makes the starting PF spot an open competition. It would be a shame to hand the spot to an "All-star" because of his "Resume!"
    It will be interesting to see how Sloan divies out the minutes when the REAL season starts. I wouldn't worry about the debate too much in preseason. I'm getting excited for some Jazz basketball though!

  • homeytennis
    Oct. 8, 2009 5:01 p.m.

    Sloan's going to have a tough time making cuts based on today.

  • Shamus McAnus
    Oct. 8, 2009 4:43 p.m.

    Re: WOW! -

    Lighten up fool! If we didn't have the Jazz to pick on, what we would do in our spare time?! Of course we know more about basketball than Sloan and of course my cross over is better than Williams. Just come over to my Ward and watch me in the over 50 league!!! HA

  • HotLavaLeuluai
    Oct. 8, 2009 4:42 p.m.

    at Mr. 4:09pm

    really? Real Madrid is a good team that plays in the 2nd best league in the WORLD....and the Jazz could've beaten them worse than they did.

    Also, Hansen's a solid pro ball player and played a year in the NBA and has been an all-league player a few times over in Europe....the Jazz still have a few guys, that even played today, that couldn't get a contract from Real Madrid....so know before you speak. Its a great league and high level of basketball....and quite frankly, the only reason it wasn't more competitive is that Real Madrid has EIGHT new players this year that its trying to get into its rotation.

  • BlahBlahBlah
    Oct. 8, 2009 4:40 p.m.

    It doesn't matter who starts or comes off the bench. If they don't run the offense and get after
    on D and pound the boards, the Jazz are toast.
    When they do what they are supposed to, they can beat anybody. When they don't, the can't beat anybody.

  • WOW! Critical Punks
    Oct. 8, 2009 4:30 p.m.

    I would dare bet that 90% of you critical arm-chair-quarterbacks, have ever worn a jock. Your trash talking is "old" and should be presented at your homeless shelters among yourselves instead of this forum. If you don't like our team move on, the Clippers, Sacramento, Golden State, and Minnesota all are looking for fans and would welcome all of you with open arms. If that doesn't work for you try Oklahoma City, Memphis, Atlanta, Miami, New Jersey, Charlotte, Philly, New York, Indiana, or Milwaukee. Surely you can find a team in all of them that would satisfy you idiots.

  • Juan Limpnoodle
    Oct. 8, 2009 4:28 p.m.

    Dear "Real Madrid @4:09":

    Quit disrespecting my team!! From what I hear, the Jazz were all toe-tapping in the locker room after the game. Made me lose my lunch! Boozer blows.

  • Re: Real Madrid
    Oct. 8, 2009 4:21 p.m.

    Maybe next time the Jazz play an exhibition game, that just happens to be during the pre-season, they'll go all out and keep their regular season rotations just to impress you.

  • Stop the Wes Matthews hype
    Oct. 8, 2009 4:17 p.m.

    I can't believe someone said he will be a starter. Since when did Sloan start rookies? (Except for Williams who was an exceptional talent)

    IF (and its a big IF) he makes the team, he will spend a lot of time in the D-league. Just cause he scored 15 points in a preseason game doesn't mean he's the answer to the Jazz's problems (Last year Ronnie Brewer has like 28 point night.) There is a reason he went undrafted in a draft class that wasn't seen as very talented.

    All that being said, last year Anthony Morrow went undrafted and then went on to lead the league in 3pt%.

    But give me a break, every year there are guys that perform well in preseason and then amount to nothing. DeShawn Stevenson and Quincy Lewis were both preseason stars. There was a guy with the last name Hughes who did a lot more than Matthews ever did and he never made the team.

  • Korver Bashers
    Oct. 8, 2009 4:14 p.m.

    I'm sorry you guys lost your girlfriends!

  • Real Madrid
    Oct. 8, 2009 4:09 p.m.

    Is anyone else not impressed at all by the jazz's 20 point win against Real Madrid? That is ridiculous, Travis Hansen is one of their better players, that should show you how weak this team is. We should have won this game by 40 at least. I know it's preseason, but c'mon jazz

    Oct. 8, 2009 4:07 p.m.

    I don't think Korver has shown he belongs as the starter at the 2. He is not much of an athlete and though he works hard on Defense he can't keep up with many of the 2 guards in the league. He is a super-sub for sure but we need to be giving minutes to Brewer and Miles as long as we lack an inside Defensive preasance. Moving Okur to the bench and Bringing Kufos in as a starter is a risky move but would allow us to stretch on defense a litte so that Michael Redd, Kobe Bryant and company don't go off on us for 55 pts. again. A bench of Maynor, Brewer, Miles, Milsap and Okur would be very impressive.

  • Koufos
    Oct. 8, 2009 4:03 p.m.

    lead in rebounding again. He is not shooting much or well but that will come with enough practice and playing time. He is a decent back up C, especially if he is playing with AK, Boozer/Millsap and a wing that can shoot.

    The second team (when DWill is playing PG) may be as strong as the first. The Jazz are weakest at the 2/3 positions.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 8, 2009 4:02 p.m.

    NIce work Blauch

  • Korver and Koufus?
    Oct. 8, 2009 3:52 p.m.

    In the starting lineup. Dude, are you trolling or just plain nuts?

  • Blauch
    Oct. 8, 2009 3:50 p.m.

    Millsap and AK play very well together - keep those two together. Boozer and AK plays really poorly together.

    I think that the Jazz should have 2 units.

    Williams, Korver, Brewer, Boozer and Okur
    Price, Miles, AK, Millsap and Koufas.

    The first unit is the pick and role offense. You have Okur and Korver spreading the floor and Brewer going back door. Miles and AK are awful in this offense.

    The Second unit is a better defensive unit. I runs the motion offense - or they run plays thru AK. This is pretty much a fast break team or you give it to AK and he creates for other on the team. The Jazz should be running about 20 plays a game thru AK. He gets to the line at such a high percentage and his point per shot is the highest on the team.

    Williams, Brewer and Okur can ll play with this unit. Boozer and Korver cannot. Boozer is such a defensive liability if you do not give him the ball at a high rate he shouldn't be on the court.

    The only reason to start Boozer is to get his value up to trade him

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 8, 2009 3:40 p.m.

    Anyone who thinks Korver is the a starter knows absolutely nothing about basketball.....dude couldn't guard my grandma one on one.

  • Stuart G. Crump
    Oct. 8, 2009 3:40 p.m.

    Looks like the Jazz are going to have a great year. Those Spaniards really know how to dribble.

  • Re: Jazz Cop
    Oct. 8, 2009 3:37 p.m.


  • Romper Room
    Oct. 8, 2009 3:36 p.m.

    Sap! is Hap'nin broytha!

  • Idahoan
    Oct. 8, 2009 3:31 p.m.

    It's preseason. They are playing different players in lineups to see how they matchup and play in those groups.

    Will be fun to see the numbers Boozer puts up compared to Millsap. If there is a true competition going on, slight edge to Millsap at this point.

  • BP to Jazz cop
    Oct. 8, 2009 3:31 p.m.

    Korver is hurt first of all. And second, the bench needs some veterans to hold things together. Who would be on your bench? assuming you start the five you mentioned. AK has already proven he can be more satisfied coming off the bench. He doesn't have to take scoring away from Boozer, Dwill and Memo...and he can be "the Man" while he's in...maybe even controlling the ball from time to time.

    I think Wes Matthews will make the team, and be a starter in place of CJ. If he and Ron Dupree both make the team, we just got a whole lot tougher on both ends (and much more athletic). Both those guys are big time dunkers. Matthews was in the 2009 NCAA dunk contest, and Dupree has a knack for liking to dunk on people. They are both perfect Jazzmen (tough, humble, and winners).

    If we can get Fezenko to get some minutes and play to the level of Ostertag (a pretty low bar I think all would agree)...we could be pretty darn good this year.

  • New starting line up
    Oct. 8, 2009 3:26 p.m.

    The Jazz should start Williams, Korver, Kirilenko, Boozer and Kufos. This would put a good Defender in Kufos near the Basket and leave the outside shooting to the guards. The second team would be Maynor, Brewer,Miles, Milsap and Okur. This way each team would have one interior defender and one guy who can't shoot. Nice evan distribution!

  • re: Jazz Cop
    Oct. 8, 2009 3:19 p.m.

    Korver? You must be joking.

    Korever is a one trick pony that can't perform its trick.

    Korver was ranked 59th in 3pt shooting for the whole league last season.

    59th!! Wow, I bet players/teams quake in their boots when we put that "threat" on the floor. In reality they are probably thrilled.

    To give you a reference, our 6'11" Center pokey Center shot over 200 threes last season.

    Okur was ranked #6 in the NBA!!

    To compound the problem Korver only makes shots when the Jazz are already winning. He always misses when there is pressure or we are behind.

    I can't wait till that phony is gone. Nice guy but his value is based on his looks and female fan reaction because he is a liability on the floor.

  • j
    Oct. 8, 2009 3:10 p.m.

    cause you have to have a bench! you start all your best players you won't have anyone to sustain that lead when the starters are out. Sure you have milsap but thats it. you need more then that

  • Jazz Cop
    Oct. 8, 2009 2:15 p.m.

    I don't understand why the best team isn't starting, dwill korver ak boozer and memo.