BYU football notebook: Bronco can't call Cougars great yet

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  • USC Fan
    Oct. 7, 2009 10:13 p.m.

    Bronco has a right to defend his QB. Coaches should have their players back. Its all about team unity.

  • THEeyepatch
    Oct. 7, 2009 3:06 p.m.

    The here and now is that the Cougs will be playing in the Dick's Market Bowl against Snow College somewhere in China.

  • re: UteFan
    Oct. 7, 2009 9:33 a.m.

    Isn't 2008 in the past, and the here and now has BYU with a Top 25 ranking and a win over another Top 25 team? The Cougars are continuing to perform as a consistently good, perennial Top 25, conference championship contending team.

    Isn't the here and now a Utah team that lost to the only decent team they've played and struggled against three 1-3 cupcakes? Utah appears to be headed for another mediocre 3rd or 4th place conference finish with four losses and no Top 25 ranking.

    As you say, deal with it, because that's the here and now.

  • THEeyepatch
    Oct. 7, 2009 4:34 a.m.

    Re: Eye Patch | 6:49 a.m. Oct. 6, 2009
    Does the "Eye Patch" handle signify a singular view? Didn't your mom teach you that by trying to tear some one else down will not build oneself up?

    With week 5 it is hard to see where most teams are, as most have played inconsistent. Any given Saturday . . . . i.e. Oklahoma, Florida State, Oregon, USC, Washington, etc.

    Talk about singular vision, something you have been taught all your life. Any Given Sunday was a horrible 1999 sports movie directed by Michael Mann and starring Al Pacino. How can putting a football team down help build me up. It's just a game, remember, a hundred years from now...... who's gonna care.

  • FIRST
    Oct. 6, 2009 11:11 p.m.

    BUSH; then OBAMA and now MENDENHALL.

    What is it with thin skinned LEADERS?

    Wasn't it SARAH PALIN who said:

    "If I can't stand the heat, I get out of the kitchen".

    When you are the HC at a REGIONAL POWERHOUSE, you are going to get questions from the PEONS who pay good money to watch what you put on the field. When you complain about fans questions, you just open yourself to even more scrutiny.

    When you are the QB at that REGIONAL POWERHOUSE, you are going to get way too much credit when things go well and way too much condemnation when things don't go so well.

    DEAL WITH IT.

    The way to make all of this go away is to continue to walk through all the CUPCAKES left on the schedule as well as BEAT UTAH and TCU.

  • Digbads
    Oct. 6, 2009 9:30 p.m.

    All these drippy comments about polls, past squads, and future opponents. BYU' football team needs to pay attention to practice this week and get ready for UNLV. The rebels and their coach look to me like a wounded and cornered beast. They certainly have a huge motivation to perform this week.
    BYU beats them easily on paper. Fortunately games aren't played on paper and crazy upsets happen every week in College Football.

  • UteFan
    Oct. 6, 2009 9:28 p.m.

    Come on cougs...you cant compare 1996 to 2008. the Mighty Utes are the here and now. cougs are living in the past. most of you were toddlers way back in the 90's. Utah is the dominate football program in the state and you know it. Max Hall is the best at throwing interceptions. don;t compare him to Detmer, Detmer threw touchdowns as well. Brian Johnson was better than both of them anyway. BCS...scoreboard

  • tryuio
    Oct. 6, 2009 8:30 p.m.

    After reading a few comments, I just marvel at the venom and bitterness that detractors write.

    Next time you want to take shots at what a coach or player says, get someone with a video camera, answer a few questions, put the interview on youtube, and invite some feed back in a public forum. See how you like the comments!

  • wet
    Oct. 6, 2009 8:25 p.m.

    Serious issues:

    -way too many of the same of injuries: concussions, hamstrings, broken hands.

    -way too many penalties

    -way too many turnovers

    -poor third down defense

    -special teams. With the exception of the blocked punt against CSU, the Cougars are much more likely to give up long yardage or a score than in years past.

    The number of turnovers and lack of third down defense success is continuing trends from last year and the year before. As far as the number of penalties is concerned, the high number of flags has never really been addressed in the Bronco era.

  • Y broken not BCS
    Oct. 6, 2009 8:14 p.m.

    The BCS gets it right more often than not. There is no question that Florida deserved the NC last year. When Texas beats either Florida or Alabama in Pasadena this time it will be obvious that the Longhorns deserve it.

    Hookem

  • BCS teams running scared
    Oct. 6, 2009 7:47 p.m.

    Washington just cancelled their scheduled 2011 and 2012 games vs BYU to schedule Eastern Washington to "save money"!!!

    Sarkisian is smart enough to know he doesn't want to face Jake Heaps while he's trying to rebuild the Washington program. The Huskies would very likely have been facing four straight losses to BYU (a non-BCS team).

    BCS teams are running like scared rabbits from BYU. Alabama, Notre Dame, Arizona State and now Washington have all cancelled games with BYU to schedule easier opponents.

    The BCS is doing their utmost to prevent the MWC from joining their little party. First, don't schedule the top teams in the MWC; especially at their place; second, complain that MWC don't play a tough enough schedule to be worthy of playing for a national championship.

    WE NEED A PLAYOFF!!!

  • re: Max Hall's INTs
    Oct. 6, 2009 7:33 p.m.

    "Bronco was right to call fans stupid for critisizing Hall."

    I disagree completely with your opinion. No head coach is ever right to call the people stupid or “just showing their level of education” who are making it possible for him to make a living.

    Bronco is just overly sensitive to criticism from fans. He's become irritated by fans' criticisms in the past. But guess what? That's what fans do. That's what fans are ALWAYS going to do. It's something you have to live with, Bronco, because you do your job with 1000's of people watching unlike the rest of us. So what do you expect?

    Bronco’s job is to provide a form of entertainment. And if it isn't good people are going to boo and criticize it like a bad play or movie. And when we fans see a QB with 11 TDs and 10 INTs through 5 games or a defense that after the first 2 games this season is having problems stopping anybody then we’re going to say something about it. If you and Bronco don’t like it, tough.

  • Penalties and Rankings
    Oct. 6, 2009 6:33 p.m.

    Penalties can hurt, especially at the wrong time in a close game, but there is very little correlation between how much a team is penalized and their national rank.

    #2 Texas is #91 in fewest penalties
    #5 Va Tech is #70 in fewest penalties
    #6 Boise State is #92 in fewest penalties
    #7 USC is #98 in fewest penalties
    #10 TCU is #71 in fewest penalties

    #18 BYU is #87 in fewest penalties

    at the other end of the spectrum

    #1 Navy in fewest penalties is unranked at 3-2
    #2 La-Lafayette in fewest penalties is unranked at 2-2

  • re: Cougar Blue | 5:37 p.m.
    Oct. 6, 2009 6:06 p.m.

    Sure! and I'm a Santa Claus suit wearing Utah fan!

    Gotta love the desperation of the Utah trolls though.

    As an avid BYU football fan, it's great to see all of the Utah trolls so "concerned" about how well BYU's starting QB is doing.

  • Re: 1996 | 8:55 a.m.
    Oct. 6, 2009 5:47 p.m.

    Prove it.

  • Cougar Blue
    Oct. 6, 2009 5:37 p.m.

    I am Cougar blue through and through, but I would like to see Max benched. He doesn't deserve the starting nod any more. Weak arm and poor reading skills.

  • Not Injury
    Oct. 6, 2009 5:34 p.m.

    Not that I would like to see anyone injured, but it would be nice to see Hall sit a few out to see what the QB of the future (Riley Nelson) can do. I am quite impressed with his limited play so far. Hall is nothing special.

  • 2004
    Oct. 6, 2009 5:23 p.m.

    The difference is Utah only played 4 teams with winning records in 2004. BYU played 3 ranked teams and SEVEN teams with winning records.

    Utah wasn't challenged because Utah didn't play a Top 25 all season.

    Even there Fiesta Bowl opponent was a joke. Pittsburgh was unranked the entire season, but suddenly appeared in the final BCS rankings, why?

    Because the BCS establishment would have looked like idiots if one of their automatic qualifiers had been unranked at season's end; when it became apparent that Pittsburgh was going to be the Big East representative, because the Panthers owned the tie-breaker, magically, a team that finished in a four-way tie for the Big East championship with an 8-3 record was suddenly considered Top 25 material.

    What a surprise!

    Pittsburgh is probably THE WORST team ever to play in a BCS game. Some might argue that Notre Dame deserves that dubious distinction.

    Bottom line is BYU 1996 played at least 4 teams (Washington, Wyoming, Kansas State and, gasp, Utah) that were better than the best team Utah faced in 2004.

    Kansas State was ranked in the Top 10 in mid November.

  • Re; The problem is...
    Oct. 6, 2009 4:47 p.m.

    It's not that you can't criticize "your" Cougs; you can say whatever you want to.

    It's just that if you are so eager to criticize a team/coach that has gone 42-14 during the past 5 seasons then it's obvious you're just Ute troll trying to stir up people.

  • re: re: 1996 @12:00
    Oct. 6, 2009 4:26 p.m.

    In 1996 Byu played 7 teams with losing records. In 2004 Utah also played 7 teams with losing records (Byu included). The differnce in the teams is that Byu lost one game, won 4 games by 4 points or less, and struggled against KSU in the bowl game. Utah completely dominated every game they played with no team coming within 14 points. And dominated their bowl game. No comparrison. The 2004 UTEs were the better team.

  • Trojan Cougar
    Oct. 6, 2009 4:03 p.m.

    1) Why do the Cougars seem to play to the level of their opponent? Beating Oklahoma by 1 means they should beat USU or SDSU by 48.

    2) Who calls the ineffective plays when the Cougars are backed up against their own goal line? Work on it, eh?

    3) The kicking game ain't rocket science. Fix it!

    4) BYU and USC share similar woes this season and last -- managing to lose one stupid game, and never looking like a well-oiled machine even in a victory.

    5) Could the players PLEASE stop the late hits/hits out of bounds? It's getting old.

  • Max Hall's INT's
    Oct. 6, 2009 4:00 p.m.

    How are Max's INT's killing the Cougars? The FSU game was lost before he threw his first INT. And they've won the rest of their games. Bronco was right to call fans stupid for critisizing Hall. BYU is scoring a lot of points this year even with the INT's.

  • The problem is...
    Oct. 6, 2009 3:37 p.m.

    First let's address Max... Oh wait I can't do that...

    Bronco's main problem is... Can't do that either...

    The offense... no the defense... uh...

    I had all of these things I wanted to say but I just realized I'm uneducated. I'd better not criticize anything my Cougs do.

  • Riley Nelson
    Oct. 6, 2009 3:35 p.m.

    I'm not saying he isn't good, but his numbers might be a little inflated since he's mainly come in for clean up duty. You can't expect the same results if he were starting.

  • re: stumpy
    Oct. 6, 2009 3:31 p.m.

    Max Hall one of the best what? BYU quarterbacks? I don't see this guy playing in the NFL (IMHO). At least Beck had some clutch wins in his senior year. Hall started great this year but he's thrown as many pics as TDs and he flamed out against FSU (not completely his fault, but he's the leader of the team). I don't see making a switch this year but there's no way Hall goes down as a great QB. His performance this year hasn't overshadowed his 2nd half meltdown last year.

    BTW, I don't know that anyone is claiming to be a football expert but this is an opinion forum - you can't criticize people for offering an opinion on an opinion forum (eg, I think that's the point of the blog to begin with, unless I'm missing something).

  • Workinglate
    Oct. 6, 2009 3:24 p.m.

    Surprised the article didn't mention the penalties on BYU - by my count, over the 5 games it's 36 total for a combined 329 yards. Penalties are self-induced errors. Great teams don't have self-inflicted wounds like this (avg 7 penalties & 66 yards / game). I get the 10 / 87 yards against Oklahoma - you'd expect more penalties during the first game but 10 - 117 yards versus CSU does not give the impression of team disciplined enough to win against good competition.

    As this season has unfolded, I'd have to reiterate what was said a few years ago "BYU football is back," but the pics / turnovers, penalties, and wins against patsies & losses to BCS teams is not the "back" I would like to see. Yes, I love the OU win, but since then, it hasn't been impressive. BYU isn't gaining in the polls because even their wins are sloppy. I'm glad they're winning MWC games - good luck to them against TCU & Utah (by far their toughest games remaining) but unfortunately, they're playing like they have too often before. Same old, same old... BYU is a good 10 - 20 team but no higher.

  • SJ Bobkins
    Oct. 6, 2009 3:13 p.m.

    Come on guys, if you don't know what you're talking about save the correcting others. BYU runs an improvised spread offense, not the Pro-set. The NFL runs the pro-set, hence the name "pro". You don't use the shotgun on every play in a pro-set. The QB in a Pro-set is right behind his center, as in the LaVelle days. Brad "take a knee" Anea brought the Texas Tech version of the spread to BYU, adding the TE as a receiver wrinkle. Nobody pays any attention to our comments, so don't go grand standing, slapping other guys comments down and trying to be "the man", especially if you don't have any more football background than what Greg Wrubel gives you over the air. I played at Arizona St in the late 70's, and for the past 4 years I've worked the NFL combines in Indy doing physicals. I'm not a know it all but someone who knows a little about almost everything, and the little I know about football includes a basic understanding of college offensive formations. Live and let live, let everyone have their say.

  • stumpy
    Oct. 6, 2009 2:30 p.m.

    IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY FOOTBALL EXPERTS WE HAVE. MAX HALL WILL BE ONE OF THE VERY BEST, BUT SOME KNOW IT ALL HAS TO CRITICIZE. BLAH BLAH BLAH!! MANY TEAMS WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HIM ON THEIR TEAM. GROW-UP AND MATURE ALITTLE.

  • 115th in turnovers
    Oct. 6, 2009 1:58 p.m.

    How many of those turnovers were from Hall? I would say quite a bit more statistically than the others. HALL get it through your thick scull, don't throw to the other team. This is not rocket science. I guess you are content with going to the CFL because you will not be playing on Sunday's in this country.

  • Remembering USU 2008
    Oct. 6, 2009 12:52 p.m.

    Bronco remembers the 2nd half of the Utah State game in 2008. BYU completely dominated the first half, jumping out to a 24-0 lead after the first quarter.

    BYU had won its previous two games 59-0 vs UCLA and 44-0 vs Wyoming, so naturally, the Cougars expected the Aggies to simply coast to an expected loss.

    To their credit, the Aggies kept fighting and showed some life at the end of the game. Bronco considers that 2nd half funk by BYU a turning point in the psyche of the team and a huge factor in later losses to TCU and Utah.

    Bronco isn't about to let that happen again this season. BYU isn't going to let off the gas until the game is completely out of reach.

    Don't expect to see Riley playing significant minutes until BYU is up at least 3 touchdowns and the BYU defense is dominating.

  • Excuse me???
    Oct. 6, 2009 12:25 p.m.

    Bronco says he's looking for opportunities to play Riley Nelson but there haven't been many. What????

    How about in the Tulane game? Could have played him for the entire 2nd half of that one but didn't. How about after we were up 21-0 at home against CSU in the 1st qtr? Could have let him play the entire 2nd qtr of that one but didn't.

    I'll bet if Bronco let Riley play more we'd see he was better than Max. Our QB coach, Brandon Doman, has had a personal experience along these lines. He had to wait for 2 QBs ahead of him to get injured to have a chance. After he got to play the last 2 games of the 2000 season it was a done deal, he was our starter.

    Max's TD-to-INT ratio is awful and it will most likely cost us the games against utah and TCU.

  • BYU 1996 = BCS
    Oct. 6, 2009 12:21 p.m.

    If today's criteria for a non-AQ team to bust the BCS had been in place in 1996, BYU would have been a LOCK to bust the BCS.

    In the December 9th AP poll, BYU was ranked 5th.

    The only teams ranked ahead of BYU were Florida State, Arizona State, Florida and Ohio State

    #1 Florida State(62) 11-0 1670
    #2 Arizona State(5) 11-0 1612
    #3 Florida 11-1 1539
    #4 Ohio State 10-1 1454
    #5 Brigham Young 13-1 1322
    #6 Nebraska 10-2 1271
    #7 Penn State 10-2 1259
    #8 Colorado 9-2 1248
    #9 Tennessee 9-2 1078
    #10 Virginia Tech 10-1 1037

    The next highest ranked team from a current non-AQ conference was

    #22 Wyoming 10-2 288

    the team BYU beat in the WAC championship game.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 6, 2009 12:16 p.m.

    Ya go byu!!! We are the best thing to happen to planet earth since the freeing of the Jews in egypt! Woooooooo

  • Riley...
    Oct. 6, 2009 12:11 p.m.

    If he is the "chosen one" of the '09 season, why isn't he playing and why didn't he beat out Max Hall in spring and fall camp? I have nothing against the guy, he's the man next year, but some of you are talking like he's Peyton Manning sitting on the bench. Truth is, we know NOTHING about Riley, maybe he is better than Max, maybe he isn't, are you willing to bench a 4-1 qb to gamble on Riley? That's really rolling the dice IMHO.

  • re: FINE......
    Oct. 6, 2009 12:06 p.m.

    I'm sure there will be hundreds of BYU fans waiting in line to buy your season ticket if you end of selling it.

    Max isn't going to be benched unless he's injured or stops competing.

    Gotta love the Utah trolls, however, campaigning for Bronco to bench Max so the Utes will have a chance in November.

  • re: re: 1996 | 10:41 a.m.
    Oct. 6, 2009 12:00 p.m.

    Once again, a Utah fan demonstrates how utterly clueless some of them are about college football history:

    BYU... "DID NOT play in a BCS game."

    What utter nonsense: the BCS didn't even exist in 1996!

    The first BCS championship wasn't won until 1998.

    1996 National Champion Florida didn't play in a BCS game!

    #4 AP/#5 Coaches = Great

    #5 AP/#5 Coaches = Semi-Great??

    With Utah's 2004 schedule, they should have dominated every game. The Utes played so many losing teams, they had plenty of time to rest up for the only four winning teams that they played.

  • montanacutter
    Oct. 6, 2009 11:58 a.m.

    No surprise BYU has a lot of turn overs. Max (where is the ball Hall)has contributed to the numbers and he will not stop here. He averages two interception a game and most of those interceptions result in 7 or 3 points for the opposing team. In fact of the 15 BYU turnovers Max (where is the ball Hall)made over half of them.

    UNLV has looked at the film on Max (where is the ball Hall). They should get their far share of points from Hall interceptions. That could make this game interesting. Bring on Nelson SOON!!

  • Let's play
    Oct. 6, 2009 11:54 a.m.

    Riley more and have Max run less. His dancing skills are not good!

  • re: clueless UteFan
    Oct. 6, 2009 11:36 a.m.

    "The team that has gone undefeated twice and gone to two BCS games."

    You mean the team that has 2 BCS wins, but has otherwise been practically non-existent on a national scale for almost its entire history.

    Utah football finally found a pulse this decade, but before the turn of the century...

    NOTHING that even comes close to national recognition.

    Even this decade, BYU has more Top 25 finishes (2001, 2006, 2007, 2008) and just as many conference championships (2001, 2006, 2007) as Utah (2003, 2004, 2008).

    Utah's best decade ever, and the Utes still haven't been able to crack the Top 25 as often as BYU.

  • SIlly comparison
    Oct. 6, 2009 11:28 a.m.

    Comparison between 2004 and 1996...that Utah team dominated every team they played. The closest game was a 14 point win. BYU was rock solid all year. In my mind, they were the best team in the history of the school. Ridiculous to try to compare them. What's the point in all of it?

  • FINE......
    Oct. 6, 2009 10:46 a.m.

    Fine...Max Stays so long as they keep winning.....but the day he losses and Bronco doesn't bench him...I sell my season's ticket and go to the rice bowl!

  • re: 1996
    Oct. 6, 2009 10:41 a.m.

    Ok, so BYU had a semi-great team 13 years ago. I'll give you that.

    Utah has had 2 GREAT teams in the last 5 years.

    And for those comparing 2004 to 1996, what a waste of time. Here's how these 3 years stand up:

    2008 Utes - Great team. Didn't always look pretty, but defeated 2 teams who finished in the top 10. Destroyed ranked BYU by 24 points. Beat OSU a week after they upset USC. Made Barry Switzer and Alabama look like idiots. Pulled out some close games, but pulled them out. Tough schedule.

    2004 Utes - Great team. Did not play a great schedule, and was not given the opportunity to play an equal even in their BCS game. But this team dominated all 12 weeks. From start to finish. No game was closer than 2 TD's. Sent 8 players into the NFL.

    1996 Cougs - Semi-great team. Very good team, that couldn't finish the job. Lost to a good Washington team. Had close wins over A&M, NM, Wyoming & KSU. DID NOT play in a BCS game. That is the measuring stick in today's college football, period.

  • Max or bust
    Oct. 6, 2009 10:29 a.m.

    Thank goodness Mendenhall is coaching BYU and not one of these clueless arm-chair quarterbacks and/or BYU haters. The only thing Max is hurting with his interceptions so far this year, is his own stock in a possible NFL career. Max hasn't cost BYU a game, yet.

    That could change against better teams like TCU and Air Force, but for now, Max is doing just fine.

    #14 in passing efficiency 155.65 rating
    #15 in total offense 285.20 ypg
    #15 in passing 280.60 ypg
    #18 in points responsible for 14.4 ppg

    Max is out of the Heisman picture, but he's still poised to lead BYU to a great season.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 6, 2009 10:24 a.m.

    AGAIN...BYU article: 25 comments already. Utah article, still 0.
    Are you really going to tell me you don't have little brother syndrome Ute fans? It's starting to get kind of sad...

  • UteFan
    Oct. 6, 2009 10:22 a.m.

    as if he could ever call byu great. why, cause they won 25 yrs ago? try living in the hear and now like the Mighty Utes. The team that has gone undefeated twice and gone to two BCS games. cant even argue with me can you cougs. Utah is on its way to back to back conference titles. cougs will be lucky to win two more games this season.

  • re: re: Mike
    Oct. 6, 2009 10:21 a.m.

    Detmer also had "tons" of TDs his Heisman year and a MUCH better TD-to-INT ratio than Hall. Give Riley Nelson a chance!

  • Opportunity
    Oct. 6, 2009 10:16 a.m.

    Mendenhall reiterated that he would like to see Nelson play 12 quarters this season, but there haven't been many opportunities for Nelson to see action.


    What Bronco are you BLIND?

    "Pick 6" INT/TD ratio is enough for any Coach to bench a QB....Riley could get his 12 qtrs in the next three games and the Cougs would be back in the top 10!

    Difference between a TCU win is who starts at QB? Pick 6? Lose Riley? A Winner!

  • re: 1996 | 9:36 a.m.
    Oct. 6, 2009 10:15 a.m.

    Quite obviously, you don't know anything about college football. You're probably too young to have even seen a single game played by the 1996 BYU team.

    Go back to playing with your tinkertoys and leave the serious football discussion to fans who actually know something about the game and have been around long enough to have watched games prior to the BCS era.

  • Re:Mike
    Oct. 6, 2009 9:51 a.m.

    You do realize that Detmer had tons of interceptions his Heisman year right? Give Hall a chance, BYU is 4-1, Florida State beat BYU because our defense couldn't stop the run and third down conversions.

  • Max Hall
    Oct. 6, 2009 9:48 a.m.

    I know many Cougar fans are asking to bench Hall, but let me ask you this- what if Riley goes in a game and he throws two interceptions and BYU loses? Then what? If Bronco pulls Hall (4-1 QB) he risks losing the seniors. I am sick of Hall's interceptions also, but I think that benching him and rolling the dice on an inexperienced QB like Nelson could be catastrophic. Riley will be the man next year, so let's see what Hall does against TCU this year before we call for his head. Just doesn't make sense to bench a 4-1 QB, especially since the Florida State game was on the defense, not Hall.

    Just throwing that out there IMHO.

    p.s. ignore the BYU obsessed ute trolls.

  • TCU and Utah all that matter
    Oct. 6, 2009 9:40 a.m.

    forget the past - the only things that matter now for the Y are finding a way to beat TCU and Utah. The former more difficult than the latter. BYU will have to be creative to beat TCU and have some luck with turnovers. TCU is a better team than BYU but for one game sometimes the better team loses. Hall needs to mature fast and get hot. BYU needs to live off its two NFL tight ends along with a steady diet of running as well. BYU can go undefeated for the rest of the season OR they can lose to TCU and Utah and finish third.

  • 1996
    Oct. 6, 2009 9:36 a.m.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha that was the funniest thing I have heard all week ha ha boy you are funny!!

  • 1996
    Oct. 6, 2009 8:55 a.m.

    BYU's 14-1 Cotton Bowl winning team that finished #5 in both polls was a GREAT team,

    easily equivalent to if not better than the 2004 BCS busting Utah team

  • Re: Mike
    Oct. 6, 2009 8:55 a.m.

    Hall's already closed in on a Top 10 ranking at the QB position right now. Winning percentage wise, he's #1 all-time today. It's safe to say that with 25 wins and only 6 losses including gaudy passing statistics (he will pass Beck for #2 all-time in passing yards this yr) that he's on his way to being ranked probably # 4-7 of best ever. You know, Detmer threw 28 picks in his Heisman winning season so he must have had tunnel vision too. BYU fans are too fickle. It's hard to compare today's QB's with yesteryear because defenses can defend the West Coast offense. The system has changed and Cougar fans haven't. Even with 0 picks vs FSU, BYU wouldn't have won that game. Maybe our economic problems are Max Hall's fault too.

  • To the loser
    Oct. 6, 2009 8:49 a.m.

    that said Palin is not intelligent, she would be smart enought to get rid of Hall....

  • BYU 1996 vs Utah 2004
    Oct. 6, 2009 8:45 a.m.

    BYU 1996 14-1, #5 AP/Coaches

    7 opponents with winning records; 3 Top 25 opponents (#15, #22, #17) all better than Utah's BCS opponent

    rivals Utah and Utah State both on the road and both with winning records; in fact Utah had the same record (8-4) as Pittsburgh (8-4)

    Texas A&M(6-6)
    Arkansas St.(4-7)
    @#15 Washington(9-3)
    New Mexico(6-5)
    SMU(5-6)
    @Utah State(6-5)
    UNLV(1-11)
    @Tulsa(4-7)
    @TCU(4-7)
    UTEP(2-9)
    Rice(7-4)
    @Hawaii(2-10)
    @Utah(8-4)
    #22 Wyoming(WAC Championship)(10-2)
    #17 Kansas State(9-3)

    Utah 2004, 12-0, #4 AP/#5 Coaches

    4 opponents with winning records, 1 BARELY ranked opponent (#25 in AP only)

    rivals BYU and Utah State both with winning records, BYU at home

    Texas A&M(7-5)
    @Arizona(3-8)
    @Utah State(3-8)
    Air Force(5-6)
    @New Mexico(7-5)
    North Carolina(6-6)
    UNLV(2-9)
    @SDSU(4-7)
    Colorado State (4-7)
    @Wyoming(7-5)
    BYU(5-6)
    #25 Pittsburgh(8-4)

  • RE: Solid
    Oct. 6, 2009 8:42 a.m.

    "Cougies like to downplay Hall's interceptions"

    You don't know what you're talking about Solid. Go comment on your own team and quit looking like a fool. As someone who's in the stadium every home game and has/is travelling to two away games actually being with true Cougar fans and not simple internet commenters who just watch the games on tv, I can tell you Cougar fans don't downplay Max's interceptions. We're getting pretty sick of it ourselves and most of us in the stands are calling for Riley to be put in now. He may not be as experienced as Max, but at least he's throwing completions to OUR team.

  • Howard S.
    Oct. 6, 2009 8:34 a.m.

    Let us hope there are few so shallow as to believe the BCS defines greatness.

    As for BYU being "great", I doubt you'll find many who would use that word to describe the current squad. But they are pretty good. And you can expect another 9 or 10 wins this season. Bashing Bronco, Hall and the others is a waste of breath. Bronco's teams are very bit as good as Lavell's.

  • 36-3
    Oct. 6, 2009 8:23 a.m.

    Utah stinks, not solid.

  • Mike
    Oct. 6, 2009 8:21 a.m.

    Hall will never be ranked among the best BYU QB's of yesteryear. He has too much tunnel vision and doesn't apparently see the field well or read defenses very well. Bring Detmer up to teach him. Oops, too late. Maybe Max will do us a favor and get hurt so Nelson can lead the Cougars to greatness.

  • Re: Bobkins
    Oct. 6, 2009 8:19 a.m.

    BYU runs a pro-set offense, not the spread.

    On another note, these interceptions are just killing the Cougars. Max Hall needs to get it together or BYU will lose its big games against TCU and Utah.

  • trueblue
    Oct. 6, 2009 8:12 a.m.

    Don't be supprised when BYU beats TCU, Utah and wins the conference championship. Will they do it ? I don't know. Could they do it ? Absolutely. I think this cougar team has some toughness. I don't know what happened to it against FSU but I think it is there. BYU keeps winning games, that is the bottom line. It dosn't realy matter that it is UNLV, they are the next opponent. The most important thing is to go down there and get a win. Just keep winning cougars and when it is all said and done, a 12-1 season would be Awesome ! The cougars can do it.

  • Not Great??
    Oct. 6, 2009 7:47 a.m.

    Wow, I'm so glad Bronco clarified that for us. In other breaking news, Sarah Palin is not an intelligent person!

    The OU win was nice, but when OU finishes with 3+ losses, it isn't quite so impressive. The FSU lose is looking more pathetic as they show the only team they could run on was BYU!

    BYU hasn't been "great" in about 25 years Bronco, but thank you for sharing with everyone.

  • RE: Howard S.
    Oct. 6, 2009 7:43 a.m.

    The "BCS defines greatness?" Are you kidding? Are you saying that the definition of College Football greatness is legitimately defined from that same terribly flawed system that votes in a National Champ and is keeping the NCAA FBS from having a playoff and crowning the TRUE National Champion? Accepting the definition of greatness in college football from the BCS is like asking Mike Sanford how to successfully defend UNR.

  • Riley Nelson
    Oct. 6, 2009 7:22 a.m.

    has impressive statistics. After Hall throwing two interceptions each game and the numbers on Riley Nelson! I have no worries about Hall get injured. Riley Nelson is an athlete and I would love to see him play alot more.

  • Solid
    Oct. 6, 2009 7:06 a.m.

    Definitely not Great.

    With the team you lost to (FSU) now 2-3 and the team that proved how great you were (OU) now with its 2nd loss, that gawdy 4-1 record is looking a little tarnished.

    Cougies like to downplay Hall's interceptions, but 10 ints/11 TD's is not a good ratio. You can spout all the QB rating stats you want, but against a good team (TCU, Utah, etc.) those will come back to bite you.

    Solid, better than average MWC team, but not Great. (What Bowl does the 3rd place MWC team go to?)

  • Re: Eye Patch
    Oct. 6, 2009 6:49 a.m.

    Does the "Eye Patch" handle signify a singular view? Didn't your mom teach you that by trying to tear some one else down will not build oneself up?

    With week 5 it is hard to see where most teams are, as most have played inconsistent. Any given Saturday . . . . i.e. Oklahoma, Florida State, Oregon, USC, Washington, etc.

  • SJ Bobkins
    Oct. 6, 2009 6:29 a.m.

    With Nelson and Heaps around next year, BYU will have the mobile QB's that make the spread work. If your QB can't run, you lose the advantage of having a one man advantage in the box the spread was designed to create. The running attack will also be much better. Nevada is pathetic, yet note the three kids putting up 179+ yards on UNLV. Not that UNLV is much but the idea of having a QB running the spread (pistol) really opens things up. Max may be the most frustrating kid taking snaps at BYU since the days of the three QB system, (Mortensen, Larry Kings brother-in-law, and Berry. Add in a poor offensive line and viola, you struggle. The guys on the OL are doing their best, but you can't have losses like that, and not struggle. I've never seen a Div 1-A QB, with such a frozen, deer in the headlights look, as when Max has an open field in front of him.
    Next year, if we can aviod the "out for the season", "before the season even starts", this team will be much more talented and possibly outstanding.

  • 2 Howard
    Oct. 6, 2009 5:47 a.m.

    The heart of the athlete defines greatness, not old men back east attempting to hoard money. America is about 2 things; creating establishments that are concrete, and the other? Bucking the establishment. I personally am about the second one.

    GO Cougs!!!
    Go Utes!!!

    Against the BCS!

    Let 'em play.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 6, 2009 5:25 a.m.

    I'm pretty sure Bronco just said the team isn't great...so it's good everyone is coming out to agree with him. Thanks for reiterating the point of the article.

  • Howard S.
    Oct. 6, 2009 12:15 a.m.

    The BCS defines greatness in the modern era of college football.

    Utah... been there, done that, twice.

    BSU.... been there, done that.

    Hawaii... been there, didn't really do that.

    BYU.... Not so much, unless they buy a ticket.

  • THEeyepatch
    Oct. 5, 2009 11:52 p.m.

    Solid, but not great. Not even close by a long shot. I know Coug fan wants that #18 ranking to mean something, but it doesn't. Before the season is over I would bet you drop out of the top 25.

  • Hall needs to
    Oct. 5, 2009 9:47 p.m.

    take care of himself. We do not want him injured like Jacobson.