I must admit I was shocked when I first heard the news about what had happened
between Gillens and the student, and at first I honestly didnt know what to
believe. I find it very heartbreaking for his family to have to deal with
something like this. They are good people and his wife is an amazing woman. my
prayers are with her and her family. What I find even more heartbreaking though
is the harassment that the victim is receiving. Many tried to justify Gillens
actions by saying she was old enough to know what she was doing, but she isnt a
girl who would do something like this in her right mind. He took advantage of
her physically,spiritually, and emotionally.Life is hard and for him to take
advantage of her hardships is wrong. She is such a sweet girl and has so many
good things going for her. This is not her fault.People dont understand the
difference between 17 and 61. Leave the girl alone and stop pouring salt in the
wound.She can move on if we'll let her.So can his family. My prayers are with
from Borther Jay's comment:" I would guess that at least 50% view
pornography"Reality:100% of men view pornography (and always
have in the past, and will in the future)....100%...even in Utah.
Born and raised in Fillmore myself. I would like to believe that there are good
people that still live there, but as I have watched this story unfold over the
summer I admit that I am starting to wonder. It appears that a large majority
of Fillmore's residents are putting forth a lot of effort to destroy a young
lady's life and the sickest part about it is the fact that it appears that they
are enjoying every minute of it. SHAME ON THEM! Regardless of this young
lady's age at the time - a lot of people seem to think that 17 is the same as 61
- I would like to point out a few facts:Teacher - studentAdult
- minorMarried - singleParent - no childrenTemple covenants -
no temple covenants (do they have any meaning?)61 years of wisdom - 17
year olds have no wisdom (wisdom, not knowledge, can only be obtained from life
experience)Just a few thoughts that have helped me put things in
perspective. To any current Fillmore residents that have ANY character at all -
DO THE RIGHT THING - quit continuing to victimize.
To Anonymous | 5:04 p.m."Please don't hold the fact that he is a
former bishop against the church. In sparsely populated areas it's sometimes
hard to find worthy members to lead their ward."What an arrogant
attitude! Your comment reveals that at least ONE member of the Church in a
non-rural setting is about as far from truly living a Christ-like life than
anyone in a rural Ward!
What was he thinking? Despite your accomplishment pal, you are the adult, in
a position of trust. More power to Law Enforcement.
There are also 2 women charged with the same thing in another part of Utah and
one is sitting in jail
Please don't hold the fact that he is a former bishop against the church. In
sparsely populated areas it's sometimes hard to find worthy members to lead
their ward. I have relatives in that area and their church attendance is based
on who is speaking that day, or if an offer of something fun comes in. I've
found the church in these rural areas to be vastly different than the church I
know and love. My family was actually billed for the food for my mil's funeral
meal. Imagine my disgust when the RS president approached my fil and gave him a
bill. This, just after he had buried his wife. That is most definitely not
mainstream Mormonism. In small, rural wards, most men will eventually serve as
Bishop, sooner or later, worthy or not.
"Defense attorney James Slavens noted that Gillins had served 12 years as
Fillmore's mayor in the '80s and '90s, was a well-respected veteran educator, a
state champion basketball coach and held local leadership positions in The
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."Wow, so is this
supposed to be his freedom ticket out of conviction or what? Get a life Defense
I am always perplexed when I hear of these old guys having sexual relations with
young women - young enough to be their daughters or grand daughters. I mean
where did Keith think this was going to lead? Certainly Keith was smart enough
to know this was a dead end no matter the outcome for him and the girl so I just
don't get it? Is it because the man is out of control with his sexual drives and
emotions? If you find yourself even thinking of doing something like this maybe
you ought to have yourself fixed or something. Good grief CALM DOWN!!!
She was not prepubescent, so he was not a pedophile. Virtually all men trying
to have sex "groom" females. The difference here is that he was not a peer and
her parents found out, don't like him, and pressed charges. Did her parents
think her adult enough to drive a 2000 pound car to the grocery store to pick up
milk and bread though she could have killed a person doing so based on the
responsibility of driving? My magic 8-ball says yes.
Seems like these sorts of ugly events are happening more and more. In fact it's
hard to go through a year without hearing of at least a few of these cases in
Utah. Why would a man like Keith throw everything away? Lots of things to blame
but I would say simply doing the little things daily will keep a man safe and at
the top of his list should always be staying right with his wife. So many ways
to stray these days with the internet and emails but the fundamentals never
really change over the years - if you are a Christian you simply do your best to
"live" the commandments of Christ - in word and deed.
If he were a woman than he wouldn't have had such a harsh sentence. Whatever
the penalty is, all perps should get equal punishment (all things being equal
regarding the crime).
Hey, I just had a thought... This sentence seems like a double standard to me.
If he were a woman, she would have been given a very lenient punishment. But
since he's a man, he gets a tough punishment.
To all of you who have passed judgement and made remarks regarding the victim
which happens to be my daughter. Let me be the first to tell you that they mean
nothing. Keith Gillins will spend the rest of his life in prison which is
exactly what he deserves! My advice to you people and your comments would be to
worry about your own problems and quit wasting time writing ignorant remarks
that are meaningless. Honestly you must have pretty pathetic lives to be wasting
your time writing garbage that will never change or have any impact on the
correct senetence that was handed down! "LIFE IN PRISON"!
I can think of a lot worse jobs than representing a person accused of a crime.
John Adams considered his defense of British soldiers, who could not get counsel
to represent them, because they were considered SOOOO terrible, once said that
the greatest honor of his life was defending those soldiers. If man's decision
does not constitute a "mistake" we need to contact Mr. Webster. I respect the
attorney in this case because he is providing the accused of his Constitutional
right. The attorney is not the judge or jury, that job is reserved for the
religious fanatics on this board.
You will let two people have that much power over you? Sad! Plus you will miss
out on the world famous chicken...and Carls Jr. And just so you know, everybody
stops in Fillmore either by choice or because they get pulled over or brake
former mayor, educator, championship basket ball coach, LDS leader...CHILD
RAPIST!! No punishment is too great for this scumbag. Do you really think that
given how long this guy has be in authority over children that this is the first
kid he's been involved with. This is just the first time he's been caught. No
one suddenly becomes a child abuser.
Most of these predators are fine upstanding citizens in good standing with their
church. There is something rotten in our Utah values that enables
these predators. Has anyone done any research on the local culture
and child predators?
It was not "a mistake". It was rape, abuse, and manipulation - all drawn out
over a year of this young girl's life. Glad the Judge did the right thing.
Even more glad he is now in the hands of the Board of Pardons. Defending these
types of criminal offenses would be THE worst job in the world. If you lie down
with dogs, you'll get up with fleas.
Let's see, Slavens stated that because Gillins won a state championship in
basketball he should only serve 1 year in the county lockup? What a comment.
Slavens should be barred. I suppose he is an example in Fillmore just as Gillins
was. What an idiot. He is probably a liberal democrat. Wow!!!! I think I will
not ever stop in Fillmore again for anything.....
This type of thing definitely happens a lot more often than most people realize.
and crissy morris got 1 month served on weekends only.... pretty consistent,
women get off easier then men on these aweful issues
I wonder how you are able to sleep at night judging everyone else. His attorney
is doing the right thing representing the man. EVERYONE has the right to
counsel. I am amazed at how quick good Christian people are to condemn a man for
making a mistake. Ya'll go ahead and cast the first stone, by the way, Sister
Smith you are living in fantasy land. Your holier-than-thou attitude makes me
This sounds like the grey area of so-called statutory rape. Reading between
the lines of this story and reader comments, interesting points of being 8 years
old and somehow knowning right vs. wrong, grooming, child vis-a-vis minor,
female vis-a-vis woman, prostitution, parental oversight, cell-phone texting,
males and porn, whole-family tragedy, cleansing repentance, judges, lawyers,
parole officers, high rates in Utah, etc., etc. Seems that others are being
taken advantage of, with exploitation and negligence being key ingredients.
Children are the future of this country and the world. It would indeed be
better to have a millstone hung around one's neck and dropped into the depths of
an ocean rather than bring harm to a child. And yet, they are exploited all
around this world - and have been since the beginning of time. God, are you
Prison for teacher in sex case, because he's a male, if this had been a female
teacher she would of got house arrest, or probation. There's gender bias in the
Courts. Law's works about as good as a Porta-Potty, it's there if needed, they
stink, and don't really work.. John Evander Couey, a convicted sex offender
awaiting execution for kidnapping, raping and burying 9-year-old Jessica
Lunsford alive, died of natural causes Wednesday. Couey, 51, had been ill for
some time and died at a Jacksonville hospital where he had been since Aug. 12,
said Department of Corrections spokeswoman Gretl Plessinger. Jessica's
grandmother, Ruth Lunsford, 77, said in a telephone interview that she could not
feel bad about Couey's death. He murdered my granddaughter. He didn't show any
mercy to my granddaughter. God took control of it. He took him out of this
world. The 2005 crime prompted many states to pass laws named for Jessica that
impose restrictions on sex offenders, including registration requirements.
Florida's version bans them and others convicted of serious crimes from school
grounds.The biker Jessica's father, Mark Lunsford, teared up again.
In Washington the headlines are "Teacher has child (children) with student/
As an educator for many years I can assure you the opportunity for sexual
relations with a students are many. Teenagers a maturing much earlier and girls
know well the power they possess by the way they dress and act. The sexual
opportunities range from the janitor to the Principal and it's only through
commitment to our profession and a love for education have most of us not
allowed ourselves to be tempted. Taking nothing away from Mr. Gillens
guilt or punishment, I find two ideas disturbing. How much responsibility should
we parents have for letting our children dress the way they do and have access
to multiple opportunites to hide communication to everyone. Sometimes it feels
as if parents are hiding their heads in the sand to avoid confronting their
children. The second concern I have is the inequality of punishment. Yes
Chrissy Morris had multiple contacts with a male student and yes she received a
slap on the wrist. Why the difference? Both were guilty of exactly the same
crime. Maybe the answer lies not in the crime but in the small town atmosphere
and pressures on the judge. Parent, take more responsibility. Educators, be more professional.
Nobody mentioned the fact that he "groomed" his victim. Being a person in
authority and using that power over his intended victim to basically maneuver
himself into a position where she couldn't say no is the ultimate power that
this manipulator has. I'm sure he used threats against her family as well, as do
all abusers do.Man of the cloth or not - this crimes deserves
Sister Smith- I believe the seminary teacher from Lone Peak also had a house
that was isolated from all these evils. I guess there are about a million men in
Utah- I would guess that at least 50% view pornography- The last sex cases like
this I have read about are a semiary teacher, ex-bishop, and teacher that was
active in his religion. Maybe the problem is a lot deeper than viewing
pornography. You would really think that with Utah's very high rate of
pornography viewing this stuff would happen lots more. I hope you can keep your
family away from this stuff- maybe move to Mars?
Does it bother anyone else that if this had happenned when this girl was a few
months older there would have been ZERO legal ramifications? I think we
overreact to these cases and consequently make 17 year olds feel overly
victimized when they need to recognize they have some degree of responsibility
for their actions-certainly not the responsibility of the adult involved-but a
17 year old is not a child and shouldn't be treated like one. Really I
think firing him and letting the public know of his actions would have been
sufficient as it would have been incredibly embarrasing and would let other
parents know of his behavior and to be cautious. I really don't think a man who
sleeps with a consenting 17 year old qualifies as a pedophile or someone who I
am terrified of having in society. I am concerned that we will pay 3 years of
imprisonment for him and there will be 3 years when he will not be paying for
the financial support of his children.
9 out of ten times women PREDATORS get dramatically less severe sentences. Women get all kinds of silly protections in our society. They scream
for equality right up until it no longer is convenient or works in their
favor....then all of sudden they don't want it.Must be nice to have
it both ways.Men are somehow much more awful and disgusting when
they do the exact same thing.Makes perfect sense huh? Yet in our PC
society nobody would dare stand up and do anything about the double standard.Crimes?Divorce?Jobs?You name it.
Reading Utah headlines from out of the state makes me scratch my head. It seems
that there are more teachers having sex with minors in Utah than any other
state. I live in Washington and I know that this conduct is reprted VERY
infrequently here. Why is that?
in this community wonders how his attorney sleeps at night.
This man is a classic pedophile. Finds his victim, finds her weakness, grooms
her and then abuses her for his own desires. I hope in 20 years her life will be
back on track and she will heal and be able to function in a normal
relationship. I doubt she will find religion to be much help here. She ought to
leave Utah and get a fresh start. She will not begin to heal in the environment
and community she is in. Parents... Cell phones are not just a fun toy for
teens. They can and are used for other purposes.Do you know who is talking to
your teens. If that same person phoned your home over and over and spoke in a
sexual mannor to your teen would that be something you would just ignore. Wake
Up! Know who your kids have contact with and who has contact with your kids.
Know exactly who they are giving information to and who they are talking to.
Pedophiles are everywhere and all they need is a naive person or the proper
situation. They will offend and will seek out a victim.
I remember reading an article about a female teacher in southern Utah "Chrissy
Morris" who had something happen very similar to this. She was given 30 days
jail served only on weekends... any bets that his sentence will be more serious
just because he is a man?
Think about it, if Gillen would have waited a few months, he wouldn't have been
any different than President Bill Clinton. Those few months would have made the
relationship "OK."Another thought is if Gillen were a famous film
director (i.e. Polanski, who gave alcohol to a 13 year old and forced himself on
her) who attacked the young woman, he would have the famous and the powerful,
even heads of state, coming to his defense.
Where he messed up is he didn't do it when she was 13, he didn't drug her, he
wasn't an Oscar winning director, he didn't have millions, he hasn't ran away to
France for 30+ years, and he didn't do it in Hollywood. That's the
key. Follow that formula and some will think you're a hero and
fight your extradition.(I'm glad I live in this state)
His good reputation ruined is punishment enough? How does this lawyer sleep at
night? What a selfish statement added to an already grossly selfish act.
Amazingly selfish! To top it off, this shows absolutely NO understanding of a
pedophiles true nature. HE WILL DO IT AGAIN AND THIS WAS NOT HIS FIRST
VICTIM!!!!!!!!!!!! Unfortunately, there has been far too little
research on rehabbing pedophiles and all sexual pedophiles. They need help.
They are not happy with what they do. But until we find a way to truly rehab
these people then they need to stay behind bars until we do for the sake of
their future victims.....and no straight jail time will cure a pedophile! Do you realize that 90% all crimes against woman and children in Utah
are committed by repeat offenders? 20 years ago, it was 65%. It's quite
obvious what is happening. So, next time you find yourself being the victim,
take all the lawyers, judges, parole officers, and all those that release these
people to court as well. They are just as much to blame.
Calling voluntary sexual intercourse involving a 17 year old rape is a stretch,
and it does cheapen the definition.Nevertheless it is against the
law. I don't understand why people would do it given that the penalities are so
harsh. Why don't they just find someone of legal age?If prostitution
were legal, there would be less excuse or reason for illegal intercourse of any
kind, rape or so called. If we as a society want to diminish illegal
intercourse, we ought to consider this option.
If the victim is a girl, the abuser should never see the light of day. If the
victim is a boy, high fives are given to the victim and the abuser is out on the
streets to prey on more victims rather quickly.The double standard
I wonder if this man`s immorality problems began with looking at porn. Seems
that many so called "respectable" people are viewing this harmful material.
Haven`t the Brethren repeatedly warned us of this? When Brother Smith was on
his mission, one of his companions had been deeply involved in viewing
pornography. That man is now serving a life sentence for various crimes of a
sexual nature. At our house, we believe in keeping our thoughts pure, and not
pandering to man`s baser instincts.He should immediately cofess his sins
to his bishop, and after his excommunication, he should begin the cleansing
process of repentance.
There was a female teacher that did basically the same thing, and pled to the
same. She taught up in Davis County, and was sentenced to prison last July.
Both Judges did the right thing. It wasn't any different because she was
He is a predator that will now get what he deserves in jail.
If inappropriate conduct was suspected in late 2008, why would the school
district allow Gillens to teach until the end of the school year?
A teacher should have known better.A public servant should have known
better.A bishop should have known better.All of those things
should get him more time, not less.
Whether this man was a Bishop or a Mayor he was in a position of authority and
had no right having any sexual contact with a minor. He deserves the sentence
that he received. He should serve the full sentence, have a large sign put in
his yard saying that he is a sexual predator and have no office of authority in
It doesn't matter how old the girl is, rape is rape when it is FORCED, just
because she didn't know she couldn't say no, if that is the case. Who knows?
My sister was raped at 12. Does that mean it was not rape, and did the idea
cheapen "real rape"? Gee, after what she went thru, should you actually quibble
about it? She is a child by law, a woman by gender and a human by nature. He
should have respected her on all levels. He deserves the same in return. The
She had to agree......
The only way we'll get fair sentencing is if a separate sentencing judge reads
the facts of the case with all the "he" and "his" and "she" and "her" pronouns
and all names redacted. That won't ever happen. It's not that male abusers
should get lesser sentences; it's that female abusers should get equal
punishment. After all, they have just as much knowledge of what they are doing
is wrong. I think the sentences should be doubled for people in positions of
authority, such as teacher, bishop, psychologist, cop, etc. The age of the
victim should be taken into account. Having consensual sex with a 17-year-old
is a lot less serious in my eyes than raping a 10-year-old. Allowing the
senences to run concurrently is a crock. The guy should get 10 years or more,
so he should get at least three consecutive three years to life sentences.
I'm sorry but he is not an attractive man, how could he have possibly pulled
this off?Anyway, have fun in jail, the law is the law, I don't care
if she is almost 18. Doesn't matter.
First, I son't understand the comment about the 17 year old and the commenter
saying "Calling this a rape is a cheapens the definition and is a disservice to
women who are raped." ?????I agree with the comment that had it been a
female, the punishment would have been a slap on the wrist. I hate the double
standard!! I am a wife, mother and grandmother. Rape and sexual abuse is a
horrible, horrible thing, but the punishment should be the same for both male or
justice was served. How sad that a person could ruin their life and that of a
young woman. Hope his family is able to cope with this.
We all know if this was a female abuser she would be on house arrest with a
suspended sentence or some ridiculous slap on the wrist. If you are
a man? You're toast.
"I don't respect he's been a bishop. I don't respect he was a mayor. He raped my
daughter," the victim's father testified during an emotional sentencing hearing
that lasted nearly 2 1/2 hours"______________-Yes and
the 17 year old daughter, being under 18 was too young to even think she could
say no. Calling this a rape is a cheapens the definition and is a disservice to
women who are raped.
I thought the sentencing was scheduled for October . . . it is probably best
that it was today so fewer people were available to make fools out of themselves
by talking about how wonderful the guilty is and so forth in front of a camera
or to a reporter. Thank goodness he is going to prison where he belongs and my
prayers are with the victim - and yes she is a victim - and her family. If she
or her family ever read these then I want her to know that her identity does not
have to be "his victim" for life, there is much happiness to be found in the
world and healing is a journey not a destination. Do the right thing for you
and try not to get distracted by what others think or say. You know who your
supporters are and stay away from those that aren't - your supporters decided
long ago they were behind you - don't waste your breath trying to explain
yourself to those that don't intend to support you. Live a great life. You
deserve all the happiness the world has to offer.