BYU football: Cougars fall flat as Florida State rolls

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  • Optimist
    Sept. 24, 2009 2:20 p.m.

    We are today, what we are. We can't blame anyone but ourselves. Hopefully we will do better than what we did in week 3.

    At this time, we are a very good mid-major team. My hope is that one year soon, maybe next year, we will be a good major team.

    Remember last seasons whooping of UCLA 59-0? Remember how the rest of the 10-3 season went? Remember the TCU game that followed? Remember the Utah game that followed? Remember the bowl game that followed vs. the lowly Pac 10 team, Arizona?

    Well, our big game this year was the Oklahoma game. We must wait to see if this year will be better than last year. I hope so. Only time will tell.

    One last thought; If our coaches planned and coached each game with the same time spent and the same urgency, as they did last year for the UCLA game, and this year for the Oklahoma game, the rest of the games for last year and this year, could have made us a true team to be dwelt with in the BCS picture.

  • jan-the-torr
    Sept. 24, 2009 2:20 p.m.

    Poor things

  • Huked awn fonicks wurked fer mii
    Sept. 22, 2009 11:12 a.m.

    BYU, the Tin Man in the Wizard of OZ thinks you lack heart.

  • Beauford Francilla Goodyear
    Sept. 22, 2009 10:19 a.m.

    Maybe BYU would be more successful in a junk league like the WAC.

  • Herbie
    Sept. 22, 2009 10:14 a.m.

    That loss was so bad, the descendants of Brigham Young should start a facebook page to have the football team replaced.

  • Southern CA Porter Rockwell
    Sept. 21, 2009 11:43 p.m.

    "What goes around, comes around!" Ever heard of that expression? Guess BYU knows how it feels to have 50+ points scored against you. At least Tulsa played ...the Cougars just rolled over and purred! Come on, Cougars! Let's get back on track and one BIG for the MWC!

  • BleedCougarBlue
    Sept. 21, 2009 10:27 p.m.

    Article quote: "The fleet-footed Seminoles started fast, scoring easily on their first drive, marching 80 yards on a drive capped by a four-yard run by Jones.

    BYU responded on its ensuing possession, driving to the FSU 14, WHERE WIDE RECEIVER O'NEILL CHAMBERS FUMBLED and Seminole defensive end Kevin McNeil recovered.

    What followed was a 17-play, 86-yard TD drive that ate 8:19 off the clock that lifted FSU to a 13-0 advantage after a missed PAT early in the second quarter."

    That fumble KILLED US!!!!!!!!!!!

    If you were to ask the BYU players how they felt after FSU scored first, and did it so quickly, I bet you a hundred bucks they would say "suprised".

    Then, if you asked the BYU players how they felt after Chambers fumbled and FSU scored AGAIN (particularly after a clock-chewing 8 minute 19 second drive) I bet you a thousand bucks they'd say "shell shocked", as in, "afraid".


    Now, instead of having legitimate hopes of perhaps playing for a national title we're back to being a laughing stock.

  • S Gavenman
    Sept. 21, 2009 9:51 p.m.

    Speed and athleticism. I called this from the begining. Just like Steve Young said, speed was the reason for the loss. I said that our o-line was fine for slower teams like oklahoma, but i knew our defense would be shreded by this speed. Steve Young said it as well after I did.

  • Frostbite
    Sept. 21, 2009 8:51 p.m.

    I'm a huge BYU fan, but frankly I'm disgusted in their performance. Where was the agression and intensity of the first two games? Dude, you can't show up to play FSU?! I'm sick of the stinking rebounding from losses! How about...don't lose! How about act like you care! How about, handle national attention. The defense looked like a bunch of human torpedoes without arms, and with velcro attached to them.

    It's a curse to be a BYU fan, as it seems I have set myself up for a lifetime of disappointment. However, I know I will continue to carry on a diehard BYU fan...even if a consistently disappointed one. I mean, you can try and win the conference so we can face the 28th best team from the PAC-10 in the Vegas Bowl. Now there's something to look forward to! Woo Hoo!

    Sept. 21, 2009 6:37 p.m.

    Bronco should polish his resume. He will be looking for a new job after this year.

  • Ronny Osmond
    Sept. 21, 2009 4:59 p.m.

    Amazing the Hubris of some BYU fans, your season is over, over. You are now synonymous with failure and making the conference look bad. Accept it.

  • Fran Farny
    Sept. 21, 2009 4:41 p.m.

    BYU= Breeding Young Underachievers

  • ericmiami
    Sept. 21, 2009 4:30 p.m.

    This guy's name is Bronco? I wouldn't hire a MacDonald's assistant manager with a name like that.

  • Quagmire Benjamin Greenland
    Sept. 21, 2009 11:56 a.m.

    BYU fans, the season is OVER, stop whining and puts your heads back in the sand.

  • For Crying Out Loud
    Sept. 21, 2009 11:39 a.m.

    Looks like FSU's faked SAT tests really worked out against the balding BYU Kitties.

  • YtxPat
    Sept. 21, 2009 10:56 a.m.

    This game was not as bad as the TCU game last year and it will not be the end of our season. We are now 2 and one and most peolpe prediceted we would be 1 and two, so we are doing just fine. CSU will be a tough game, so we need to get ready. Homecoming against TCU will be a season maker or breaker. We saw the offense look very good, but needs to limit the turn overs. Jamie Hill needs to find some answers before TCU comes to town. Utah is rebuilding and we Zoobies should give them some room to improve. USU almost came back against a poor TxA&M team. Congrats to Washington.

  • Aston Filbard Cunningham IV
    Sept. 21, 2009 10:49 a.m.

    As Autin COllie said, maybe if the Cougars "lived righteously on and off the field" and had not celebrated on the Sabbath over OU, they would not have lost to FSU.

  • Lavell Griffin
    Sept. 21, 2009 10:30 a.m.

    That BYU loss was so bad, I am questioning my team loyalty and orientation.

  • Kimbo Jones
    Sept. 21, 2009 10:27 a.m.

    I named my kids for famous BYU Cougars. That loss was so bad I am putting in the paperwork to change little Lavell, Ty, Robbie, Steve and Cosmo's names today.

  • Benjamin Bradford McCall IV
    Sept. 21, 2009 10:02 a.m.

    BYU needs to return to their high school roots and play high school teams.

  • Frederick Gerard Gene Depardeu
    Sept. 21, 2009 9:55 a.m.

    The BYU loss was so bad it makes Ashley Simpson's Orange bowl singing live look like a good idea.

  • Why all the smack from the Yewts
    Sept. 21, 2009 9:11 a.m.

    Yewts must be trying to deflect attention away from an even more embarassing loss. Beating Utah wasn't even good enough to move Oregon into the top 25. BYU played a terrible game. We were not ready for FSU. Now we are ranked about where we should be. We could still move up if we beat TCU. Unfortunately, when we beat an unranked Utah team, we won't get any help in the polls.

  • Re: "43-14"
    Sept. 21, 2009 8:51 a.m.

    Play Weber? We're trying not to be like Yewt.

  • James
    Sept. 21, 2009 8:29 a.m.

    Florida State played the way it's history has shown, more talent in florida than any where. BYU was blown up beyond it's talent showed. Be glad it wasn't Forida Gators or Miami. Three schools in the top 25 from one state says a lot. Refs didn't play a down,
    BYU may be big in size averaging up 50 lbs per lineman in weight obove the Noles, Florida State was a gaint killer. Size don't mean squat. You need some throughbreds on the field.

  • Scoobie
    Sept. 21, 2009 7:24 a.m.

    I really hate saying this but Florida State came to LES to play football and we didn't even bother tying our shoelaces. We tripped ourselves and have no one but ourselves to blame. Misery loves company so we have Georgia, Utah and USC to be miserable with. I'm surprised we didn't completely fall out of the top 20. We sure didn't play like we belonged there....But FSU did. At least TCU and Boise State are still in the race with a surprising born again Houston for a possible BCS bid. It's still very important that both the WAC and The MWC continue to be the dominant anti BCS forces in this ugly beast of a system. It's early and BYU has a unlikely long shot....but the ball in this game isn't round and that fact alone makes anything possible. Now is the time for this team to really find out for themselves what they are made of. Rise up or fall.

    Congrats to Steve Sarkisian for his first win as a head coach and may he have many more. Nice job of leading the way back to Jake Locker also.

  • TX Fan
    Sept. 21, 2009 7:11 a.m.

    FSU used TCU's playbook from last year. We were beaten, but the coaches need to rise to the challenge, especially on Defense and find a way to get around the blocks. A swarm defense only works if someone makes a good hit, and the rest of the team responds. FSU's blocking schemes were precise and the score reflects their precision.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 21, 2009 2:57 a.m.

    SEC Saint | 3:55 p.m. Sept. 20, 2009
    To Anonymous: Think you could do any better?

    Nope. But again I don't have to because I am not the one on a free scholarship to play football and a stater.

    Any paying customer has the right to complain about the product put on the field. I see no problem with it.

  • softbear
    Sept. 21, 2009 2:39 a.m.

    We played terrible!! Ok that having been said and should come as no surprise to anyone, lets move on. Yes, it wasn't our day, but other teams share that same honor. OK, we got beat by more points than Utah did,but FSU is a better team than Oregon. Things could have been different except for the 5 mistakes. And yes the one "missed" call on the interception, that everyone, including the sports annoucners saw. That is everyone except the officials. I'm not saying those things would have given BYU victory, but they sure didn't help.
    We can still win the conference, which is what BYU has always said is their goal. That has not changed since the 60's. We dropped to 19th and can climb back up into the top 10 if we can pull everything together. It was truly a sad day for UTAH sports, neither team faired well. Good luck the rest of the season.

  • anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 10:45 p.m.

    I think everyone is over reacting over this game. It is only a football game not a matter of life and death. I think byu will come back next week and play very well against csu. Everyone loves byu when they win,but when they lose everyone hates them.

  • Important things to Know Part 2
    Sept. 20, 2009 10:14 p.m.

    hey, lets add BYU will still win the NC this year and that we need a playoff system of 64 teams so we can prove that our 3 losses this season were all just flukes and we really are the best!

  • Stop the Playoff talk
    Sept. 20, 2009 10:11 p.m.

    "BYU would win 9 of ten vs FSU"???

    1. ARe you serious? YOu can't be serious!!! They just lost by 26 points! Not close, Are all 10 of these games to be played in Provo? Are we going to have a bye week right after FSU plays Florida?

    2. the preposterous statement is irrelevant! We didn't win on the day we played.

    3. The regular season is the playoffs. Do you realize that no other sport is followed as avidly as cllege football? if the Cougs had run the table they would be in - not just bcs but the big showdown title game. BYU just lost its rights for the year to make any comment about a playoff system.

  • Ga Coug
    Sept. 20, 2009 10:09 p.m.

    Why do the BYU players seem like it was no big deal to lose. I do not see a dispair in them. It's like they were playing a scrimage against themselfs and just had a bad practice. This could have been a special year for all fans from non bcs land and the players treated like any other day. Untill Bronco finds a way to change the attitude bcs buster will never be in BYU's future and for a fan in sec country that is sad to realize

  • Bryce CougOC
    Sept. 20, 2009 10:07 p.m.

    Mendenhall and Anae blew this one. I think Holmoe will be looking long and hard as to the future and leadership of this program. Something has got to change.

  • Important things to Know
    Sept. 20, 2009 10:03 p.m.

    1.) Bronco is the best coach ever.
    2.) BYU is the best school ever.
    3.) It's okay if we loose games because we have a more important "mission" that exempts us from the lowly mundane task others have to endure (such as doing things without making excuses).
    4.) Max Hall will still be a Heisman winner.
    5.) 1-4 might not be true.
    6.) #5 is true.

  • Dogmatic fans
    Sept. 20, 2009 9:53 p.m.

    Reality bites the dogmatic fans again.

  • Bradley
    Sept. 20, 2009 9:43 p.m.

    Irreguardless, Max Hall is still a leading contender for the Heisman. Go Max don't let this little loss get in your head. There is still a Heisman and MWC title out there with you name on it. Go COUGS.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 9:41 p.m.

    The Cougars would win 9 out of 10 from FSU. That is a fact. FSU got lucky and squeezed one out. The Cougars will back an I hate to see what they unleash on the rest of the teams on the schedule. Go BYU, there is no doubt the MWC is your to lose.

  • The Scotsman
    Sept. 20, 2009 9:29 p.m.

    BYU is still ranked 19th. A few breaks here and there and the BCS and even the national championship game is not out of the question. Go Cougs, there is a lot of season left.

    Lets get it straight right here, the Cougs beat themselves, FSU was aweak opponent but it just happens some saturdays. All the more reason for a playoff. In a playoff system there is no doubt the Cougs would get to the big dance. Yes, they are just that dang good.

  • Poor Performance
    Sept. 20, 2009 9:19 p.m.

    I don't think Max Hall is in Heisman contention any more. He had a decent shot but Bronco's and Robert's game plan blew that out of the water.

  • Max Hall
    Sept. 20, 2009 9:17 p.m.

    Max still has the "turn-over" itis. That Utah game from last year is still in his head.

  • hahahahahahahahahahaha
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:48 p.m.

    I thought that the y would get wacked by OU. I was wrong, it just took an unranked team to dash the y's dreams.

    Maybe the WAC would take you back. You could learn to play with heart from the Aggies.

  • Heath Robertson
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:48 p.m.

    The coaching staff for BYU did a horrible job. What a let down. I am sure Tom Holmoe has some tough choices to make in the coaching staff to get this team back to the glory days of Lavell Edwards. In my own opinion I don't think Bronco Mendenhall can get them to the promised land. A change(s) need to be made.

  • MWC Solid
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:38 p.m.

    CSU looks good, TCU looks great, AFA and UNLV look good. I think all four of those and BYU will beat Utah based on Utah's performance.

  • Congrats to BSU
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:37 p.m.

    Way to go BSU. You showed that Utah has no place in the PAC-10 and probably would not even fare well in the WAC.

  • Ryan Stevens II
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:21 p.m.

    Florida State is a very weak team. This does not boad well for the Cougs. It is going to be a tough year and probably the last for Coach Mendenhall.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 7:55 p.m.

    Bronco did the same thing last year against TCU. Two years in a row and two blow out losses to weaker opponents to end what could have been undefeated (perhaps BCS bowl) seasons. Bronco folds under pressure, it is obvious to get to the next level a change has to be made.

  • Devin Petersen
    Sept. 20, 2009 7:33 p.m.

    Bronco has this program down the wrong road. We cannot be a top 10 team by relying on LDS only athletes and the occasional non-member (who by the way are mostly equal to FCS talent). As long as BYU takes this recruiting stance of only LDS kids and does not attract quality non-members the program will never improve. I think at this rate we are looking at intramural flag football in a couple years as the program will surely be dropped if things don't change.

  • JBH
    Sept. 20, 2009 7:21 p.m.

    Sheesh, guys. Losing this game and dropping out of the top 10 doesn't mean we'll have "another mediocre season". We haven't had a mediocre season in a long time. These cougars make mistakes and they're not going to have a perfect season. Is that really what we were expecting? Hoping, yes, but come on, let's be realistic here. This is a really good team with a really good coach and a really good quarterback. They will learn and do well. We got bushwhacked by a very fast, well-prepared team. Better to have it happen now, out of conference, than to have it occur via TCU or Utah. Go Cougars! We're still with you... always.

  • LK
    Sept. 20, 2009 7:11 p.m.

    Bronco cannot win the big one when it counts. Either Bronco or Anae need to go; perhaps both. It's time to make a change and get this program back on track. It has been over ten years of mediocrity and as long as these two are at the helm I do not see that changing. Poor game management and poor recruiting. Somethings got to change!

  • Brent AF
    Sept. 20, 2009 7:01 p.m.

    This is all on Bronco. He needs to concentrate on football and not on firesides or the honor code. Recruit and coach that is all we ask of you!

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 6:59 p.m.

    It was truly a sad day and disappointment to all. I also lost a lot of respect for some fellow BYU fans and members of the Church over how they reacted to this loss. I have never seen people act this way over a game.

  • Bench Max Hall
    Sept. 20, 2009 6:45 p.m.

    Zoobies your problem rests squarley on Max Hall. It is conclusive he can not play when the pressure is on. Now some of you will argue about Oklahoma but nobody exected BYU to win so max had no pressure. Flat out he is a head case and after yesterdays loss he is going to be worse... Zoobies if you don't bench him, have fun with an 8 - 4 season.

  • Utah football is a joke
    Sept. 20, 2009 6:26 p.m.

    The State of Utah doesn't know real football. The Utes and Cougars are mediocre teams playing in a rinky dink league. Just be happy that you get an automatic bid to the BCS if you finish in the top 12. That is a lucky gift. As for Utah's "big" Sugar Bowl, that happens from time to time when the real team doesn't even care to be there.

    Sept. 20, 2009 6:24 p.m.

    My hats off to Florida St. Great prep. great coaching ! great speed ! Great fans !! [ at least the ones I talked with ]. The officiating was ok . FL. ST, were just plain a better team yesterday ! As far as Ute fans saying there embarrassed of us. K.M.A. FL. ST. Is a much better team than Oregon . So where do any of you big mouths come off saying anything ! Cant wait for november , were still the better team ! Were now ranked where we belong and so are utes !

  • To - Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 6:22 p.m.

    Why would Sarkisian go to BYU? He is at a PAC 10 school and just beat USC. He is not leaving there for BYU. And he is a Catholic, not a Mormon. Another BYU fan that two days ago though that Bronco could do no wrong, now throw the baby out with the bathwater.

  • Kelvin Mallow Walleman
    Sept. 20, 2009 5:39 p.m.

    Save the money and contribute it to the Church. BYU football is just a waste of church money and tithing. People wake up and realize there is something bigger then football. Give it a break and spend time with your family on saturdays. Contribute the money to tithing or a charity and your time to helping others rather then watching or stressing over football. Give it a rest and a break. I think BYU-I has a great model for athletics, I think the folks in Provo would do very well to follow suit.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 5:34 p.m.

    After this weekend I say BYU starts looking at Steve Sarkisian. He is impressive young LDS man and a proven track record. He knows how to win and will carry on the legacy that Coach Ewards left behind. Bronco has done a very capable job but he will never get us above a 9 to 10 win season.

  • D-gate
    Sept. 20, 2009 4:52 p.m.

    There was not much of a fence in our D-fence. What I saw was more of a gate, swinging wide open at most every play. The linebackers were doing o.k., but the line stunk it up all night. I couldn't believe how many times Fla St was facing 3rd and long and we couldn't stop them! They never had to punt until the end of the 3rd quarter! Where were the hard hits we saw against OK and Tulane? There was no energy. Yes, it was a royal beat down, but I expected us to be 2-1 at this point anyway. =)
    Help us TCU. You're our only hope.

  • trublu
    Sept. 20, 2009 4:42 p.m.

    I think everyone should quit trashing byu. It is only a football game, and there are better things you could be doin. So i hope you will all shut up.
    I still like byu disappointed by the way they played.

  • Fans of true BCS contenders ...
    Sept. 20, 2009 4:39 p.m.

    don't go home until the final second ticks off the clocks, even when their team LOSES. What a bunch of 'wah-wah' whiners!! "We were losing so I left the game", "I was frustrated so I left the game", "I was so mad I had to turn it off" ... you never see the fans of the true big time teams slinking early out of stadium, even when their teams don't have a chance of coming out on top. Seems like a lot of BYU's fans lack their own BCS-level commitment. (BYU '93 grad living in TX)

  • Finally...
    Sept. 20, 2009 4:34 p.m.

    ...we can focus on football again instead of worrying about the stupid BC$ bowls. Rankings are only trouble this early in the season!

  • nate
    Sept. 20, 2009 4:25 p.m.

    I've never been more disappointed as a cougar fan. The game last night reminded me of some of the beat downs we took in the crowton era. The last team we had that was even somewhat legit was the '06 team when we had a senior QB John Beck that actually played like a senior leader should play. His losses that year? A 3 point loss on a last second field goal in the opening week and an overtime loss on the road against boston college. So much for a strong defense and a senior QB in '09. Max Hall was better as a sophomore

  • RockyMountainCOCOUG
    Sept. 20, 2009 4:01 p.m.

    Hard loss, their offensive line dominated us and their speed was incredible. Still I love what Coach Mendenhall has done here and what this team is capable of each week. I bet we turn it around and have a good year. No BCS busting, but a good year. The players put their heart into this game and make a lot of sacrafices just as the coaches do. I still proud to be a cougar and thankful that I get to read about my team in the sports section instead of on the news pages due to misconduct! Go Cougars beat the Rams!!!

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 4:01 p.m.

    No one that comments on these boards has a clue about the game of football. I can't believe I am reading such hate-filled, ignorant, garbage...I swear it off right now.

  • Calm Down
    Sept. 20, 2009 4:00 p.m.

    What's with all of this talk about firing Bronco and what not???? Hasn't he led BYU to 3 straight 10 win seasons???? Haven't we gone to a bowl game every year he has been the Head Coach????Haven't we won 2 conference championships with him??? I don't see USC fans wanting to fire Carrel because they lost to Washington. So just stop looking ahead, focus on the next game, and give the team all of the support they deserve.

  • MrPtri
    Sept. 20, 2009 3:57 p.m.

    to anyone who comments about the officiating "helping FSU" there are missed calls in every game, i wont dispute that there were some in this one, that holding occurs on about EVERY play in EVERY game, and the fact that everyone sees the other team's "dirty plays" and ignores their own. bottom line: All teams commit uncalled penalties, but in this one? here were the stats on CALLED penalties= BYU-3 for 24 yds....FSU? 9 for 74 yds.... thats a little lop-sided eh? maybe FSU committed more penalties, but they sure as hell got called on em too.

  • SEC Saint
    Sept. 20, 2009 3:55 p.m.

    To Anonymous: Think you could do any better?

  • Swiminole
    Sept. 20, 2009 3:51 p.m.

    As an FSU alumni and also a BYU fan (when not playing the Noles) I hope BYU bounces back...

    But it was good to see that FSU might be for real this season after all.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 3:49 p.m.

    SEC Saint | 2:24 p.m. Sept. 20, 2009
    7. Stop criticizing the players and coaches and start looking in the mirror.

    I looked in the mirror but then I thought wait a minute I wasn't the one throwing 3 INTs in a big game it was Max Hall. Now, if my customer wants to criticize me for my work then that's fine with me.

    Sept. 20, 2009 3:48 p.m.

    You're right Bronco is no Edwards. And everybody knows how stellar Edwards' last years in Provo were right? And when did things start to go down-hill? When the honor code violations started popping up. If the media coverage and scrutiny were the same in the Edwards era as they are now, LaVell wouldn't even have a team. Everybody knows how honor code violations were ignored under Edwards. Bronco has mad the program what was always supposed to be and everyone thought it was. Sure, there will still be honor code violations and academic problems, but they will be dealt with, not swept under the rug.

  • Special Chance?
    Sept. 20, 2009 2:30 p.m.

    Max Hall is quoted here saying, "This is tough. We knew we had a special chance to do something." But did they really? Or was this all just a stack of cards built of a lot of overblown hype on a foundation of one (good) win?

    I mean seriously, people (and I mean BYU fans and national sports pundits alike) talked like the Y could just show up to games this year and win them without a second thought.

    And yet isn't that why we play the game??

  • SEC Saint
    Sept. 20, 2009 2:24 p.m.


    1. Bronco is a good coach. I have been impressed with him from the beginning.
    2. Matt Hall is a good quarterback.
    3. The quality of athletes at BYU has improved.
    4. The quality of play will continue to improve if the program continues to schedule tough opponents.
    5. I fully support the values and mission of BYU - great athletes who share those values can be recruited and it will make a difference. Character does count.
    6. Like any program, the fan base and alumni can help or hinder the growth of the program. Sounds like y'all have a choice to make.
    7. Stop criticizing the players and coaches and start looking in the mirror.

  • Lance (KC)
    Sept. 20, 2009 2:20 p.m.

    I'm a BYU fan, but I'm disgusted with Bronco and Max every time they go on college gameday and start talking about gaining national exposure, going to the BCS, and winning a championship. How stupid! If Bronco is smart, he'll realize that talking about the BCS is stupid. BYU should not have goals for the season. Their only goal should be their opponent for the upcoming game. Whenever they start listening to the media and starting to think they're good, they go out and get embarrassed. Now Bronco and Max get to feel real good about themselves when they go back and look at their interviews where they had those cheesy smiles talking about winning a national championship after only two weeks in the season. From now on, when asked about the BCS or the goals of the program, let us say that we're not worried about the BCS. We're only worried about Colorado State. That needs to be the focus. Hope you learn your lesson this time Bronco

  • Cougar Fan
    Sept. 20, 2009 2:12 p.m.

    Seminoles sipped on some good Cougar Stew last night. Nothing like being on the chopping block. Better luck next time team.

  • ATC
    Sept. 20, 2009 2:10 p.m.

    Utah fans, I wanted you to win just like I want the mountain west teams to win. sure you can bag on BYU but did you watch your own game? how many times did your defense fall for the same play? BYU may not have played well this game, but they have still played better then Utah has all season, and don't tell me it takes a while for Utah to get going, just because of last year. Also who is ranked BYU or Utah? You think because of one game BYU can't be a BCS buster, it does dampen the chances but not impossible, there is still most of a season left

  • SEC Saint
    Sept. 20, 2009 2:09 p.m.

    BYU and Utah got beat - so what. They played good teams and lost, particularly in the case of BYU. The fans at BYU in particular are so spoiled. You win 10 to 11 games and think you should be playing in the national championship.

    In a tough conference, a team is considered good if they win 7 to 9 games, with at least 1 or 2 of those coming against ranked opponents. BYU one their first game against a quality non-conference opponent since 1996 and your expectations go sky high, you lose and Bronco should be fired, the team program shut down, and you accuse the young men of playing without heart.

    Bronco and the team has my respect, a lot of national folks like them too. This is just part of the growing pains that a team has to go through to improve and take a place on the national stage. Going back and playing losers won't help one bit.

    You may not like it, but this is a great opportunity for BYU progam, better competition will produce fewer wins but a better team.

    Stop whining, for heaven's sake!

  • Missed Opportunity
    Sept. 20, 2009 2:04 p.m.

    What some of you bronco-lovers are forgetting (akin to sloan lovers, but I digress) is that THIS WAS BYU'S chance AND THEY BLEW IT. The most important game in 25 years and nobody showed up.
    Where's the emotional fire bronco keeps talking about?
    There was nothing.

  • Utah fans keep smoking
    Sept. 20, 2009 1:45 p.m.

    Its amazing to me that U fans continue to rip the Y so they can forget the fact that their own team was also pathetic yesterday.

    Yes, the Y got smoked and they looked pathetic. Let me remind the U fans of how fantastic your team performed yesterday. You lost to a quarterback that threw 4/16. You lost to an offense that was 3/14 on 3rd down conversions. You lost to a team that gave up 3 fumbles and an interception. To top it all off, you lost to OREGON! Way to capitalize! Nice coaching! Not to mention that you nearly got beat by a pathetic San Jose St. Still, a win is a win just like a loss is a loss.

    Im not about to deny the fact that the Y got slaughtered yesterday. They didnt even compete and it was down right ugly.

    There is still a lot of football to be played and a single loss is nothing to be ashamed of for either team.

    In the mean time, whatever it is you U fans are taking that creates amnesia and hallucinations, keep taking it because it seems to make you feel better!

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 1:36 p.m.

    Man, I saw this coming a mile away. BYU got so ahead of themselves, just like last year. The second they get some national attention their heads get too big. That being said, I think Ute fans are so stupid. They get blasted by a way worse team than florida state and here they are saying how BYU is an embarrassment? I don't get it. Florida State should have beat a very good MIami team. BYU got beat, but at least it wasn't by a team as bad as oregon. If I were a Ute, I would be scared come November.

    Sept. 20, 2009 1:28 p.m.

    I dont get why everyone hates Bronco. Is 34 and 8 since 2006.Ranked in the final top25 the last 3 years. he brought this program back to where it once was. As a 14 year old, i look up to this man. He mixes football and faith and he realizes football isn't every thing. and every one who thinks BYU shouldn't even have an athletics program needs to grow up too. BYU isnt as bad as you think they are. YOU are confusing them with Utah State or something. I admitt BYU is a national power, but with what they are given, they are a darn good football team.

  • Jim Johnson
    Sept. 20, 2009 1:26 p.m.

    Was yesterday the first game the BYU football program ever lost? Do you think it will be the last?

    So GET OVER IT and move on with life. And if you are a true BYU fan then stand behind your team win or lose.

  • Still waiting
    Sept. 20, 2009 1:22 p.m.

    Miracles happen only so often. 1984 was a fluke and yesterday, like the last 25 yrs, the reality. BYU is a second rate team in a second rate conference. Quit whining and except what you are - a consistently 2nd rate football experience. BCS and programs like BYU have nothing in common. Div II might be a better fit.

  • Cali Cougar
    Sept. 20, 2009 1:15 p.m.

    I love BYU with all my heart, but its funny to see some BYU fans giving up hope in week three. Just last week we were chanting BCS and now some fans are giving up after one loss. I admitt yesterday was a bad day for BYU. If BYU had the ball as long as FSU, there is no doubt in my mind that they would have won this game. I dont know what is going to happen the rest of the year, but I wouldn't give up hope yet.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:59 p.m.

    TED | 10:12 a.m. Sept. 20, 2009
    "Wow! the boards are filled with more angry UTE fans again. The UTAH BYU game in November will still be for a BCS bid."

    I bet you're one of those fans that celebrated at the Provo airport thinking you had the national title shot all wrapped?

    Reality is my Utes are not even close to last years team. The BCS fat lady sang in San Jose right after Utah looked inept in that game.

    So far Utah's new coordinators have been horrible and BYU's defense came back to reality yesterday.

  • Collin
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:57 p.m.

    Bronco ain't no Coach Edwards. It has been nothing but bad since Coach Edward was forced out. There needs to be some changes in Prove and I mean for the better!

  • Come on People
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:49 p.m.

    Both teams lost, get over it and move on, there's still 9 or 10 more games left in the season. So neither one will go to a BCS game, move on from it and let the teams play their hearts out the rest of the season and let the fans on both sides cheer them on.
    BSU fans, go read your own articles in Idaho, we don't need commentary from the peanut gallery.
    Utah and BYU fans, both teams lost, leave it at that. Don't compare the losses, cause they were both bad in their own respects. Grow up, this rivalry makes me feel like I'm in middle school again sometimes; middle school was bad when I was there, I sure don't want to relive that with the stupidity I hear from some people.

  • Larsen with an E
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:47 p.m.

    Where is the fire Brinco web site? He can't recruit outside of the LDS circles and those he does get are I-AA telent. He has tainted the program with his philosophy. BYU will never rise to the big boy under his leadership. There just plain is not enough LDS talent to keep up with the big boys. He has painted himself into a corner with the direction of the program.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:41 p.m.

    I hope the church pulls the plug on the NCAA program. It is not Christ-like and does little for the church. It is a waste of money and a point of contention for BYU faithful. I prefer intermural programs and to put the money into the efforts of the church.

  • disappointed mwc fan
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:40 p.m.

    I guess the truth hurts:
    -Bronco is all talk.
    -Max hall is not all that great.
    -BYU's defense sucks.
    -BYU lacks the athleticism that BCS teams have.

  • RE
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:26 p.m.

    Reading these comments is a complete waste of TIME! So many people either attack or haven't a clue of what they are talking about!!!

  • gatorguy
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:24 p.m.

    The loss to Florida State isn't the embarrassment that Cougar fans are making it out to be. If you watched the Miami-FSU game, it was pretty obvious that both teams had some big offenses. That game could have gone either way, going down to the final 5 seconds of the game. One single catch on any one of three different possessions and FSU wins and comes into Provo undefeated. Last weeks squeaker win over Jax was a fluke poor performance from them IMHO. Early on BYU had their chances. FSU just came in with a lot of heart and perhaps not getting the respect from BYU that they should have. No different from the way FSU approached Jax last week. The Cougars will be OK this year. They at least now know what they need to do and where other teams are going to try to attack them. Better to find out now than in the last half of the season.

  • BYU in Tucson
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:14 p.m.

    Last year instead of going to Hawaii we went to the TCU game. Yesterday I called in sick and lost 1,500. dollars. We snuck into my wifes aunts house to watch VS. Their mangey scruffy mutt barked at me for hours while BYU went down the tubes. Burn me once, burn me twice. Oh, three times we also drove to the Vegas bowl. They choke. When you're losing bad go after the QB! Also O'neill Chambers when you make a catch and the 1st guy hits you, secure the ball and GO DOWN before the next guy hits you and knocks the ball loose. I hope this doesn't kill the team. It's taken its toll on me.

  • 1984 was a long time ago
    Sept. 20, 2009 11:59 a.m.

    The difference between Utah and ByU is Utah was never really considered for a bcs this year. It was all ByU talking about going to the bcs championship game even though they hadn't beat anyone. That's right, you beat a back-up QB from a team that might not win 8 games and a team considered to be in the top 10 worst teams. You might be right in saying we would be 1-2 if the U played your schedule, but at least our team capitalized on a senior QB by going undefeated for the second time in less than 4 years. You get so excited when you win a big game that's at the beginning of the season, but then your team forgets to play the rest of the season. Therefore, you lose a game you shouldn't lose and now all us Utes get to hear how if ByU still runs the table you might still have a shot at going to a bcs, then you lose to TCU and Utah. The fact is we're both 2-1 and ByU continues their tradition - not going to a bcs again...

  • CSU
    Sept. 20, 2009 11:39 a.m.

    Will the real Cougars please stand up? The fans need to know if we're going to see the Cougars that upset mighty Oklahoma, or the Cougars that played like a Pop Warner team against FSU. Stay tuned.

  • Getting too Old
    Sept. 20, 2009 11:34 a.m.

    BYU's loss yesterday was a big disappointment however it was not unexpected. Last year BYU won a couple of games but then fell apart when opposing teams discovered we had no defense and no response for a mobile quarterback. This year BYU won a couple of games and now has lost exposing the same weakness.

    Each year I keep hoping that BYU will FINALLY have a dependable defense - it never happens. Let's be honest - the offense is average, special teams are poor and the defense is....well...

    Will I stop being a BYU fan - NO. I'd rather root for the Cougars than root for the UTEs or someone else any day. When I stop rooting for BYU I'll stop watching altogether.

    Coach Mendehall is a good man - but as a coach he is very predictable. How many of us know what is going to happen before it happens on each play - point made.

    Am I getting too old to hope that BYU will one day take the field and play without the interceptions, penalties and fumbles? I hope not. I probably am too old to ever hope they will have a defense.

    Join the crowd.....

  • Borec
    Sept. 20, 2009 11:23 a.m.

    Max continues to make huge mistakes when the game is on the line. If he was only as good as he thinks he is.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 11:23 a.m.

    Cougars, memo to recruiting office: you have no speed and average talent. Does that help you understand why you got your butts handed to you?

  • Michigan Ute
    Sept. 20, 2009 11:22 a.m.

    I am disappointed by the performance by the (admittedly overrated) Utes on Saturday but it was almost expected. New OC and DC with a host of new players is problematic. MWC teams can't just reload like teams in power conferences. This was supposed to be BYU's year to shine and build on what has been done by Utah and BSU recently. They not only flopped, they were crushed by 26 points by an unranked ACC opponent (to call them great only after they beat you is a bit disingenuous). This loss will set the MWC back 5 years in national respect. That said, I am GLAD they lost. BYU's arrogant fans believe their team deserves everyone's support and anyone disagreeing is a "hater". Most Utah fans will NEVER support BYU. We are tired of BYU's "greatness" being shoved down our throats by local media. Utes have no duty to support BYU. You think Michigan fans EVER cheer for OSU? Were Texas fans unhappy about OU's loss to BYU? No way. I enjoy when Utah wins and BYU loses, that's what makes rivalries in college football work, deal with it.

  • Tough Schedule?
    Sept. 20, 2009 11:09 a.m.

    Utah played a tough schedule last year and went undefeated. At Michigan, Oregon St., TCU, BYU, Alabama at the Sugar bowl. 3 tough second tier teams UNLV, at Air Force, at New Mexico.

    Alabama went undefeated in the SEC regular season. Oregon St. beat USC and was in line to win the
    Pac 10 until they lost to rival Oregon. TCU was very good and finished top 10.

    So dont LIE and say Utah cant handle the schedule of the BCS conference.

    2004 UTES also desrtoyed everyone on their schedule for another undefeated season BCS win and top 10 finish!


  • Really? TCU?
    Sept. 20, 2009 11:09 a.m.

    Wins over 0-3 Virginia and Texas State? Why in the WORLD would anyone think they are a power? Thats even more insane than thinking Max Hall was a Heisman candidate...

  • ASU
    Sept. 20, 2009 11:06 a.m.

    Here is your problem have no speed, average talent, some of you players are 24 years of age or recipe for disaster. Get a clue...!!

  • RE Justin
    Sept. 20, 2009 11:02 a.m.

    Have you looked at the results for the rest of BYU's sports programs Justin? You might be looking at USU or even Weber.

  • Utah sports fans
    Sept. 20, 2009 10:58 a.m.

    Just crack me up. Throwing the Utes and Cougs under the bus for a bad week? You guys realize both teams still have games left, right? Oh, and by the way, even #3 USC went down this week. Drop the whining and blamestorming and play on!

  • truecougster
    Sept. 20, 2009 10:57 a.m.

    why all the ute fans here? I just checked the comments on the ute / oregon game - ONE freakin' comment, not 297 like this article. That's pathetic, what they say is are more BYU haters than ute fans - get a life!
    BYU never said a thing about the BCS - it was the national media. Find one quote from BYU team saying we are on track for the BCS - you can't!
    They got worked on Defense for sure, offensively, they were fine until max started pressing in the fourth. No excuses - they need to fix this. Good thing is there is a TON of defensive talent coming in and on missions for the future.
    TCU is the team to beat this year - utah is very unimpressive.

  • Reality knocking
    Sept. 20, 2009 10:45 a.m.

    Gone are your chances for another back-door championship.

  • A Wyoming fan.
    Sept. 20, 2009 10:40 a.m.

    Look at it this way . .no matter how bad BYU or Utah looses, you're NOT Wyoming? I mean, you gotta take some solace there! Being a Poke fan in Utah, with the way they play ALL sports year in and year out is painful. At least you guys have some winning seasons.

    Sept. 20, 2009 10:33 a.m.

    wow BYU this is what I had hoped you would'nt do, go in there thinking your the big shots, and get your butt whooped, and Max Hall you need to learn to cope under pressure man. Overall the most embarrassing game I have ever witnessed as a BYU fan, and I expect BYU to drop to #20 at the best, they might even drop out of the top twenty five after that performance. And every body thought BYU had a great defense this year? Think again, they just let up 54 points at home against a non ranked team. Come on Cougs get your act together.

  • TED
    Sept. 20, 2009 10:12 a.m.

    Wow! the boards are filled with more angry UTE fans again. Both Utahs and BYUs lose hert the mwc. Don't hate someone so bad that you can't be realistic! Please, these comments are about hate, not football!

    The UTAH BYU game in November will still be for a BCS bid.

  • tbruss81
    Sept. 20, 2009 10:08 a.m.

    Utah State 31 BYU 24 Just wait ans see!!

  • Turnovers
    Sept. 20, 2009 10:06 a.m.

    BYU has had 10 turnovers in the first three games! It's amazing they have even won 2 games with those kind of numbers. The coaching staff needs to clean that up. Last night was embarrassing.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 10:04 a.m.

    The only aspect of this game that disappoints me is the fact that our defense was so poorly prepared. FSU didn't beat the Cougars with speed. They beat the Cougars because their offense was ready to play and BYU's defense wasn't.

    Incidentally, FSU's defense wasn't particularly good either. But the were able to make a few stops before the third quarter ended. BYU stopped the Seminoles once. At that point, one minute remained in the third.

  • WOW
    Sept. 20, 2009 10:01 a.m.

    After skimming the posts, MAN! You turned on your guys pretty quick! How do you go from chanting "BCS" "ALL THE WAY"" stuff and get ran off the field. TO think in one night the cougar fans have turned against themselves. HAHAHA

  • Go Utes!
    Sept. 20, 2009 10:00 a.m.

    Atleast the Utes have somewhat of an excuse with a new developing Quarterback, he will be fine. But come on cougs that was awful.

  • Jeff R
    Sept. 20, 2009 9:57 a.m.

    In college football, anything can happen on any given saturday. Thats why a playoff is need. Because how many times have we seen teams with one loss in the BCS Championship. 16 team playoff.

  • Typo'd
    Sept. 20, 2009 9:49 a.m.

    "...has not learned to overcome itself..."

    "...been weighed, measured..."

    Guess my typing ought to settle down, too.

  • BamaTaz
    Sept. 20, 2009 9:47 a.m.

    Looks like BYU has been drinking the Kool-Aid of how good they are, this will always get you beat. BYU spoke by winning at Oklahoma, beating Florida State would have removed all doubt about how good BYU really is. The cougars need to resume their winning ways and be ready for the next big game on the national stage. Winning is everything if national respect is what is wanted.

  • Speed>>>
    Sept. 20, 2009 9:46 a.m.

    Speed kills just like last year at TCU.

  • Settle down
    Sept. 20, 2009 9:44 a.m.

    Or Bowden may have to take back his comments on how "mah-toor" BYU is.

    Bronco got snookered by a veteran. Utterly out-coached. Bowden said the game was a measuring stick for his program. Turns out the yardstick was a foot shy. Instead, Bronco finds out his guys have a lot farther to go, particularly on defense.

    The Cougars couldn't do a thing with the Noles linemen, appearing to get glued to them with Stick 'Em at every engagement.

    It's also clear that Max Hall tends to get flustered, forgetting his training when his guys get down, forcing the ball into the wrong places.

    It's so disappointing to find that BYU hasno learned to overcome itself in big games. They have weighed, measured, and found wanting.

  • Dick
    Sept. 20, 2009 9:26 a.m.

    And the quest for perfection will be delayed until 2010.

    Both Utah and BYU fans need to realize that perfect seasons are rare and seasons can be "good" without perfection. If we look at seasons as failures because we fail to win every game, there are going to be a lot of very disappointed people practically every year.

    BYU will have a very successful season. They may lose one more game and finish at 10-2 at worst. Utah is rebuilding, has a tough MWC schedule, and could lose 2 or 3 more games. Still, 8-4 isn't horrible.

    Fans need to lower their "expectations" a little.

  • Dear Utah Fans:
    Sept. 20, 2009 9:17 a.m.

    You lost Saturday. You lost your game. You seem to have forgotton that admidst your hatred for BYU.

    BYU had 2 big non-conference games this year. They won a BIG game vs. Oklahoma.

    Utah only scheduled one big-nonconference game this year. (Lousville is horrible, so I don't want to hear that. I'd put Tulane against them.) They lost theirs.

    If anyone set back the conference, it's Utah for losing their only decent non-conference game.

    Way to go Utes.

  • No Big Hit
    Sept. 20, 2009 9:16 a.m.

    I thought the most telling time at the Stadium was when there was a sponsored "Big Hit" Play of the Game on the video board. They played the sponsor intro and then... nothing...

  • KB
    Sept. 20, 2009 9:01 a.m.

    how is it that utah shamed the conference? Its their first loss in 17 games. >>>17 GAMES!!

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:59 a.m.

    The reason we are happy byu lost is because I should you don't see yankees fans cheering for the red sox because it makes the divison look good,I bet Texas was happy BYU beat Oklahoma.It's a rivalry we should hate each other.And don't discount TCU either BYU and Utah are not this conferences only hopes. Maybe CSU can hold the banner too.

  • Fan in Texas
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:58 a.m.

    I am a BYU and a Utah Fan that resides in Texas. I was hoping that Utah and BYU would both win yesterday but it didn't happen.

    I still think that Whittingham and Mendenhall are great coaches and that both teams have great players. We all need to realize that on any day in college football any team can win. Just ask USC.

    We need to stop vilifying the coaches and players and just give the respect that they are due and hope for different outcomes i the future.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:53 a.m.

    How many years does Bronco still have on his contract? It could not end soon enough! He certainly has proved to be no Lavell Edwards!

  • Justin
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:52 a.m.

    BYU is an NCAA joke. I vote for intermural only at the school and save the millions that are put into not only football but all the other fruitless sports. I believe this will happen in my lifetime.

  • Ranger Rick
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:51 a.m.

    BYU needs to refund all the $ spent on tickets and shut down the team.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:45 a.m.

    Maybe some day BYU fans, players, coaches etc. will learn to quit talking about BCS until at least 10 games into the season. When I watched FSU play Miami and saw Ponder out-run the Miami defense I knew he would give us serious trouble. The media needs to chill out too....they feed into it and get the fans even more set up for a fall. And by the way, Utah play somebody decent before you start talking smack. If you played our first three games you would maybe be 1-2. You beat two bottom tier WAC teams and lost to an Oregon team that got dominated by BSU. You're really looking good.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:42 a.m.

    The only thing better than watching BYU lose is watching Notre Dame Lose. Too bad only one of the two teams lost. BYU is the most "overrated" team in the country. I do believe they are in the top 65. Keep Losing cougs and make me happy. Oklahoma must be horrible or BYU is lucky.

  • BYU fan
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:42 a.m.

    Now back to reality. Sadly it took a loss. Our team can not keep our head out of the clouds when they get national recognition. They need to find a way to keep themselves grounded when they have recognition.

    Film sessions with Max Hall must be watching every talk show that says he has a shot at the Heisman and the team has a chance at the NC. Keep your feet on the ground. No game is a given. When you walk on to the field, the 18 past wins at home give you NO advantage for this game. Just play the game at hand. Don't think of anything else.

  • Pride of the (Cougar) Nation
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:30 a.m.

    Why isn't anyone talking about the absurd mentality in Provo and around Cougar nation? Great win against a seemingly solid OU team - I can appreciate that. But, after one win, Cougar nation starts up the NC chants and Heisman hollers!!

    Look at Hall's comments in this story - the coaches and the team breed arrogance. Confidence and swagger is one thing (and completely necessary) to be a winning football team. But pride will always bring you down.

    Get off your high horses Cougs and play some football!!!

    Sept. 20, 2009 8:26 a.m.

    Is Oklahoma that bad. BYU shouldn't even be in the top 25 with that loss. One word "Overrated".

  • Sept 20
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:26 a.m.

    Note to Whittingham. When you have the ball on the 2 yard line, give the ball to Asiata.

  • TKO
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:17 a.m.

    Over rated!!!!! Ha just like the Cougars I've always known.. A lot of hype and no substance. What an embarrasing performance...

  • not surprised
    Sept. 20, 2009 8:05 a.m.

    The sevret to not losing fumbles is to hold the ball with two hands, that is a fundamental apparently not taught to or learned by a wide receiver in a critical turn over and by a lineman recieiving a kick off.

  • Another
    Sept. 20, 2009 7:57 a.m.

    quote from JAN JORGENSEN. That is why they lost. He is the only man on the team. Sad day for the Y. Come on guys. Live to fight another day. I am afraid that this just another case of the Y not as good as they thought they were.

  • FSU Played Well
    Sept. 20, 2009 7:46 a.m.

    Florida State, especially its offense and QB, played very well. The FSU offense was balanced and converted on third down. FSU scored on most of their drives, which forced the BYU offense to be predictable and only pass in order to play "catch-up". This game was not lost by Hall - his interceptions were due in large part to being forced to score a lot of points caused by the BYU defense's inability to stop FSU on third down. FSU's offense was just better than BYU's defense last night.

  • RN
    Sept. 20, 2009 7:40 a.m.

    Hey, Riley Nelson played. Maybe it is his chance to play more often now that BYU's season is gone with the wind. Las Vegas Bowl is all I can think about now!!!

  • the real byu
    Sept. 20, 2009 7:28 a.m.

    think about it,they didn't play that well against OU. OU practically gave them the game with penalties. The real BYU showed up last night. They got smoked by an unranked team. So did Utah. The real BYU and the real conference emerges!

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 7:24 a.m.

    BYWho? What a beautiful loss.

  • Stop Dissing Hall
    Sept. 20, 2009 7:23 a.m.

    Hall made a couple of big mistakes, but most of them were after the game was out of hand and BYU had to be one dimensional. This loss belongs entirely to the BYU defense who failed to force a punt until a minute left in the third quarter. Sure the ACC officials were letting FSU hold all day long, but BYU should have been able to overcome that. It was like watching arena football the way FSU worked over our D. Hall played excellent in the first three quarters and threw the interceptions (excluding the pick-6) in desparation when FSU knew BYU could no longer run the ball. If BYU gets even one stop in the first half and Jorgenson doesn't fumble that meaningless kickoff return, then BYU would have been tied at the half and the game plan for the second half would have been completely different. I'm sure the Yewt haters will blame Hall, but they're only showing that they know nothing about football. Not surprised. They probably didn't notice their team blowing it in Oregon. See ya'll in November when Hall will mop the floor with U.

  • Big Frank
    Sept. 20, 2009 7:23 a.m.

    What are all you insomiacs doing up in the middle of the night on the message board talking about irrelevant BYU and Utah teams? What I saw on TV was simply pathetic. Bobby Bowden and his people and his film analysis people simply had the best game plan. Whoever is doing Bronco Mendenhall's pregame analysis and film breakdown planning are just totally out of it. Fire them all. BYU was exposed and sliced and diced. It was unbelievable. It just showed what a farce all the early season rankings are all about.....NOTHING AT ALL. What is the Mountain West Conference all about? Nothing at all. The local press cannot get it either. BYU has lost everything in one loss. The rest of the conference are laughing. Every game now will be an adventure. I feel extremely sorry for the whole team and coaching staff. They were totally unprepared for what happened. What is it going to be like in planning meetings and on the practice field this week? This is BLACK SUNDAY for sure for all the fans. What a downer. We were in the process of helping our son's family move.

    WHAT A CROCK IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anoymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 7:18 a.m.

    You know even great teams with storied traditions can lose, just look at USC and Texas both ranked high last year lost to ok teams, even USC lost yesterday to Washington. All I can say is that the cougs were not ready, offense was still impressive but the defense had flaws that were exposed again.

  • Sad Day
    Sept. 20, 2009 7:11 a.m.

    Today was awful for both BYU and Utah and I find the haters absolutely pathetic. You are not a fan of college football if you care more about your rival losing than your own team winning. I'm not saying every Utah fan has to be a fan of BYU, but this loss in particular hurts the entire MWC and so U make yourself look like the fools U are when you get on here to talk smack. Utah's loss to an Oregon team that got spanked by BSU basically guarantees a Boise State BCS berth and didn't help the MWC either. Any Utah fan with half a brain was pulling for BYU in this game (and vice-versa) so stop hating and get a life.

  • Classic Elite
    Sept. 20, 2009 6:59 a.m.

    Utah and BYU have seen the Elite and MWC isn't them. Welcome back to reality folks, the MWC is second tier and NOT part of the Big-10, PAC-10, SEC, ACC, Big--12 for a reason.

  • fsu fan
    Sept. 20, 2009 6:57 a.m.

    reminds me of the 1980's when fsu was building a national power. hope we are underdogs for the rest of our games this year!

  • Reality
    Sept. 20, 2009 6:51 a.m.

    Bobby Bowden said it best. BYU was not prepared. The Cougars will bounce back and next year we will be prepared in Florida. You have to play the big games. This will ultimately be good for the program. Keep your heads up.

  • rightascension
    Sept. 20, 2009 6:47 a.m.

    I suppose I could stand all this except the TV makes us look so juvinile.

  • SEC Saint
    Sept. 20, 2009 6:39 a.m.

    1. Congratulations to BYU to playing a non-conference schedule that actually had some teeth. The fans may not like it, but it is the first step towards real respectability.
    2. You just learned the lesson that teams who play tough schedules knew all along - any team can play a great game, but it is the week in week out toughness, speed, and physicality (especially on defenese) that makes a champion.
    3. This is a golden opportunity to become better if it is taken.
    4. You just learned why fans around the country dislike you so much.

  • So Sad
    Sept. 20, 2009 6:31 a.m.

    The older kids are beat by the younger kids once again...LOL

  • gdog3
    Sept. 20, 2009 5:47 a.m.

    These posts are always insanely theraputic. Fans are just so comical as a collective whole. Then there are those certain individuals ready to jump off the ledge. I am a Ute fan who wanted both red and blue to win today. Nevertheless, I have the desnews comments to give me solice. If things playout well on Saturdays, I can bask in the hype and dream big. If not, I can embrace reality and tell myself that I am better than those posting about the gloom and doom of BYU football altogether.

  • Not Surprising
    Sept. 20, 2009 4:08 a.m.

    The loss to FSU is not surprising. Bronco's defenses have always struggled agaisnt mobile quarterbacks. Remember Washington last year? How long did it take before the coaches made the proper adjustment and placed a "spy" on the QB? Mix up the D! A little zone, man-zone, and man-to-man.

    Bronco said it right, "we may have underestimated maybe what (Ponder) was capable of." Except that there was no "may" or "maybe" about it. BYU obviously was not prepared. Why? ask Bronco.

    Max Hall's performance was not surprising at all. Max always forces balls into coverage, and struggles against fast defenses. Three interceptions is no big surprise. That's just Max being Max. Stop forcing the ball. Throw it away, and move on to the next play. Sometimes the D wins.

    BYU needs to quit being suckerd into the media hype (BCS, national champions, etc...) It starts with the leadership (coaching) and team captains.

    If BYU ever wants to compete for a BCS birth, it has got to recruit better athletes. BYU is undersized at the DB posisitions. How many lob passes were thrown by FSU for big gains?

    BYU should be absolutely embarrassed.

  • NoleFan
    Sept. 20, 2009 1:56 a.m.

    Earlier someone mentioned about Bowden years of experience when it comes to winning game as such the one played on tonight. Really, he pulled another trick out of his old hat and no one has really paid attention to it. FSU played Jacksonville St. on last week. Apparently not preparing for JSU and instead was preparing for BYU the whole time, with unsuspected rain it almost cost the Noles. However, the gamble paid off for FSU and pulled out a win in the last minute of the game. As a Nole fan, I'm not sure where we go from here, but I'm glad BYU was ranked #7. Don't be too hard on yourself, I think you still have a descent team. Take it from a fan that has watch throughout the years an old man that knows how to gamble and sure enough he gambled this one right!!! GO NOLES!!!

    Sept. 20, 2009 1:54 a.m.

    Zoobs, maybe the "Target" won't be on your backs now. Way to call it Harmon, the Zoobs are back, back to their choking ways

  • Unfortunately ...
    Sept. 20, 2009 1:52 a.m.

    MWC fans are too busy hoping to BCS-bust, instead of winning football games. Too much hype in the state of Utah about the BCS. Let's just admit, the are officially two divisions at play here,the BCS and the Non-AQ division, where the best, undefeated NAQ teams gets to play for some money against the BCS teams. Why not just make it a three-tier system, BCS invites one NAQ team to a bowl, NAQ invites on FCS team to a bowl. Sadly, Utah and BYU blew their chances yesterday and the NAQ BSU beat another NAQ team. No,the WAC does not belong in the BCS,but neither does the MWC it appears. TCU beat up on who? Texas State? This is a sad state of affairs and Utah is a sad state.
    There should be a ban on looking more than one week ahead.

  • Shame
    Sept. 20, 2009 1:40 a.m.

    Oklahoma lost to BYU, but the will be in a BCS bowl this winter. But BYU lost to FSU and there season is as good as over. Utah will drop out of the top 25 after one loss. The BCS is unfair but Utah and BYU proved them right again yesterday. Just sick of the fans here!

  • Terry Birch
    Sept. 20, 2009 1:39 a.m.

    Where was BYU's defense? Looks like they did not
    practice all week. They are not ready for another
    national title, even conference title. Worst case would be a losing season. Blame should be placed on
    BYU's coaches for not preparing them for the game.

  • zoobies
    Sept. 20, 2009 1:29 a.m.

    look at all these byu fans earlier saturday morning they still thought there team had a realistic shot at winning the national championship.. haha 24 hours later they can't hate there team more. man you byu fans are the worst. byu = overrated!

  • AK Cougar
    Sept. 20, 2009 1:21 a.m.

    To all the Fairweather Fans. You are pathetic. BYU loses to a very good FSU team that played above themselves and you think BYU is horrible.

    Ute fans that hate BYU, where is the love? You lose to an injured Oregon team and all you can do is laugh at BYU? I guess you need something else to think about than your own team's sorry play today too.

    The MWC is still stronger than the Big Easy and could beat over half of the Big 10 teams on any given Saturday. Pick up your senses folks and cheer and root for each other till you play your arch rival.

  • USU for real this year
    Sept. 20, 2009 1:14 a.m.

    The visiting Aggies piled up 521 yards against Texas a&m.

    Don't count them out against the Cougars this year.

    BYU should struggle or lose to the following teams this year: USU, Utah, Air Force, UNLV, TCU and Colorado State (next week). A 5-7 season for BYU is very possible. Lesson, don't count your chickens before the eggs hatch.

  • I am shocked!
    Sept. 20, 2009 1:00 a.m.

    I stayed up half the night to listen to this game streamed on KSL and I was sad that BYU could not hang with FSU. But I am more shocked to read the comments from BYU-haters disguised as Utah fans. I saw the box scores yesterday when the mighty Utes lost to the lame ducks, but to read the smack about how bad BYU is and how consistent Utah is... what a bunch of crap. Learn some respect and humility! Utah shamed the state and the conference as much as BYU did. They both should have won if you read the garbage printed here,in DN and in these comments to articles. Utah,BYU, and the MWC got shown a lesson by the big boys yesterday and they proved that the MWC does not belong. Your were supposed to show the BCS otherwise, but the remaining games will not be enough now to correct what went wrong yesterday. Both teams are overrated!

  • BYU & Yewts stink
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:59 a.m.

    Neither team deserves to be in top 25 and the absurd talk about Max Hall and the Heisman was too silly to mention.

  • Over reaction
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:48 a.m.

    come on, it's just one game. the cougars can still go 11-1 or 10-2, or whatever it comes down to with a bowl. if every fan base gave up after their team lost one game, there would be a whole lot of empty stadiums on saturdays in the fall. just hang in there fans, it's one game, and sure, it would've been freaking HUGE to win, but they didn't. it's not the first time they have lost a game. move on to next week and keep cheering. this is what makes college football the best sport, all the anticipation and dreaming. GO COUGARS!

  • Please
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:45 a.m.

    For those of you tryng to claim the better team FSU or Oregon, let's look at the rankings coming into Saturdays games. AP: Oregon 38, FSU 42. Coaches: FSU 33, Oregon 35. Looks pretty even to me. BYU had the higher ranking, so its loss appears to be the greater one. It would have been nice if both the Utes and Cougars could have won. They didn't. Life goes on. "He who expects nothing is seldom disappointed."

  • RE: Glenn
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:43 a.m.

    You have a point! Utah fired a decent coach in Ron McBride because all he good bring were decent, not excellent, seasons! Bronco Mendenhall, thanks for lifting us out of the Crowton era, but when are we gonna see a few excellent seasons, instead a bunch decent seasons where we beat up on patsies and struggle against legitimate teams?

  • fsu fan
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:37 a.m.

    I didn't think fsu would win with that crappy d, but thats just like fsu. they should have lost j state but they beat byu.fsu did play a perfect game.byu fans you were so high before the game dont be so low after the game.

  • A few of positives...
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:31 a.m.

    1. I did not spend $75.00 for a scalped ticket.

    2. Since nobody watches Versus, very few people witnessed this circus.

    3. BYU fans have their future Saturday's open.

  • BYU and Utah
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:28 a.m.

    BYU and Utah are both mediocre. Nothing special about them. Yes, BYU's offense is fun to watch, but they can't defend against a mobile QB. Utah has no offense at all.

    Lastly, who is BYU's defensive coordinator? And what was he doing all week?

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:22 a.m.

    Utah went and lost to lousy Oregon team so not sure what the smack down is all about. It's a loss and the sun will come out tomorrow. Get over yourselves.

  • Ducks
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:22 a.m.

    Hey Utes, did you guys win today? Congrats on your #30 ranking. What's the problem, was New Mexico State too busy to play? I love how utes always smother their failures in cougar hatred. Go back to WAC. And that goatee, lame.

  • UTAH v Oregon
    Sept. 20, 2009 12:19 a.m.

    I'm a Ute fan, who was at Autzen stadium today. I've been to some loud games before, but I've never seen at atmosphere like that. That place is so freakin LOUD. Now, Utahs QB......horrible. Over threw players, hit his players in the helmet instead of the chest. I thought if he could have played better, Utah had a chance. Also, Asiata could not run the ball against that Defense. I attended the post game coaches show with Chip Kelly (Oregon coach...spelling?), and he said they were pretty sure they could shut down Utah's running game, and that's what they focused on all week. Still they had a chance, and Cain under threw a wide open receiver on the 2 yard line to end the game. I hope they have another QB for next year, this guy has not looked good at all. He has a weak arm. You could see none of his passes had any zip to them. Very depressing day. But, I think we all knew Utah would have a down year this year. Atleast we did not get HUMILIATED on National TV like the BYU. That was ugly.

  • FSU to BYU
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:55 p.m.

    I've been a National Champion. I know National Champions. National Champions are friends of mine. BYU, you're no National Champion.

  • ??????????
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:50 p.m.

    How do you spell B.Y.U.? Oh yah, C-H-O-K-E!

  • Mike Johnson Fallon NV
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:48 p.m.

    Why do BYU fans here still insist that Oregon is "a very mediocre" team?

    Oregon and Florida State are pretty much in the same boat. Both lost to a good team and then struggled to beat a team they should easily have beaten. By all measures going into today, Oregon and Florida State were teams just outside the top 25. If anything, Oregon was slightly ahead of Florida State. That will change with Florida State dominating the #7 team on the road, while Oregon won a relatively close game against #16 at home.

  • Don't Believe the Hype
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:48 p.m.

    For BYU to beat a team like FSU they have to play with ferocity and intensity. The defense was not motivated today for whatever reason.

    Bowden's team wanted it more.

  • Glenn
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:47 p.m.

    When does Broncos contract come up for review?

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:46 p.m.

    The BYU win over OU will now rank no better than a I-AA team beating a power-school--it will all be lost in time and not a big deal--BYU just got lucky and caught them on a bad day. Thanks but the season is already done. I am now thinking the Las Vegas bowl will be lucky. Very poor performance.

  • Hater
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:40 p.m.

    Isn't oit time for all you folks to get to bed for a long day at church tomorrow?

  • Johnnie
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:40 p.m.

    To loose Heisman contention and a BCS bid all in one night. I am thinking 8-5 at best. There have been better days at LES.

  • Love it
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:39 p.m.

    yeah my team lost today too - but I wasn't expecting us to go Undefeated again... the Utes did have 16 wins in many did the coogs have??

    Will they replay this game on kbyu?? I sure hope so.

    I love that you can't ever do anything great!!! thank you for not disappointing me. I hope you don't get too cold in Utah's shadow.

    Go Utes!!!

  • Re: Sally
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:39 p.m.

    Good one. I remember my first time staying up past 11:00.

  • Randy
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:38 p.m.

    I was at the game tonight. It was clear that Florida State was the better team tonight. Defensively we could not stop them in any measure at all. They had a spectactular game plan against us, using the qb run and the underneath pass to perfection. However, on a bright note, BYU moved the ball at will against Florida State...until they decided to fumble or throw an interception.

    Let's hope that other teams don't look to closely at what Florida State did tonight, or it could be along season of chasing qb's.

  • Go Noles.
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:38 p.m.

    B.Y. Who. Its funny how all the so called experts out there favored BYU by a bunch and didn't even give FLORIDA STATE the slightest chance of a upset. I guess they forgot who they were playing. Stop blaming the refs and having all the excuses. They just got beat down at home by a better team. Deal with it and go on.

  • boise fan...
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:31 p.m.

    Boi-se STATE! Boi-se State!


  • BYU still has a chance
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:30 p.m.

    BYU can still win the rest of their games and with a Boise State High School loss we can still make it to a BCS game. WORD

  • BSU Alum in Utah
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:30 p.m.

    Although I was saddened to see the loss by BYU and Utah today, I am having a hard time understanding why the constant bashing of BSU. BSU has beaten the Mtn West except for one in seventeen games (17-1 vs. Mtn. West). They dominated the Oregon team that just beat Utah and they beat Fresno at home that pushed Wisconsin to a double overtime (@WIS). All the things that you say about BSU is what the rest of the conferences say about the Mtn West and it just drives you crazy. How about not being hypocritical and throw some props to a team that has won consistently over the last ten years.

    It only helps out the mid majors by having a small conference school do well and go to a BCS. But I am reading that you all believe that, only if it is your team. Grow up and realize that BSU is a good program, and it does nothing to take away from the programs in the Mtn. West, oh except when they play each other and 16 out of 17 times BSU wins.

  • Soup Nazi
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:30 p.m.

    No Big 12 for you! We just proved it tonight. The MWC will be the best we can do. It's OK, just a little sad. We had our chance. I wish the best to Bronco in his future endevours.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:28 p.m.

    FSU's loss to unranked Miami? Did you see Miami destroy Georgia Tech on Thursday? If you did, you'd know Miami isn't an "unranked" type of team. Both are top 20 teams for sure, maybe top 15.

    Regardless, they're both a lot better than BYU.

  • The Difference
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:19 p.m.

    with Utah last season and BYU this season is that BYU actually had a chance to play in the National Championship game this year. Like that was ever going to happen for the Utes - they were outsiders for way to long and we all now how the BCS works.
    BYU jumped up so high because of the respect the Utes brought to the MWC and because of a great win over OU. OU is a great team and we won. Boom - time to be on the national stage.
    Also, and this is no fault of the Utes, BYU's schedule this season is better than the Utes 08. If we won today, the stage was set for a NC title game invite. There was reason for excitement.
    I'm glad the Cougars play a decent non conference schedule this year. The Utes did their best last year (Michigan having a poor season hurt the Utes a bit but they scheduled a team that should have been a good opponent). The Utes have ND next year - good. the MWC had a bad day but it's headed in the right direction.

  • eagle44
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:18 p.m.

    I love reading all the comments about all the BYU bashing, There is one National Champion each year, to be 2-1 and have the chance to win the Mountain West Conference is a lot to play for. Sure I am disapointed, we all are, you win big games and you loose big games. True champions are the guys who live clean lives and look back at my time at BYU. Thanks BYU for giving us great memories and many more good ones to come

  • Settle down everyone!
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:16 p.m.

    Amazing. You read all these comments and compare them with the ones from the previous two weeks, and it shows what a bunch of sore losers we are. Come on guys, be the fans you were so impressed with at the OU game.

  • Jeff
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:13 p.m.

    Bronco should start looking for a new job. He is no Coach Edwards.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:10 p.m.

    BYU lost and proved they cannot consistently compete on a national level. End of story. You should all go to bed. There will be nothing more than intermural athletics at BYU within the decade so you all got to get used to that.

  • Sally
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:09 p.m.

    It's always a good day when BYU loses. When BYU loses big, it's a great day.

  • Re: Utah fans
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:09 p.m.

    Yes, the utes did lose, however we knew that the Utes were going to take a step back this year, (when you lose that many people you usually do).
    BYU fans were the ones who were talking about the bcs title game and how great they are.
    Ute fans aren't devastated, they know they will be back to bcs contention in a few years.
    Right now just trying to have fun and win.
    At least Ute fans have realistic views of their team.

  • bronconation
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:08 p.m.

    Just for the record Boise State tried to get into the MWC a few years ago but were denied. I realize that the WAC isn't the strongest conference in the country but there is nothing that we can do about the conference schedule. However, we have played some people in years past and will play some better teams next year. We play Va Tech on the road and have Oregon State at home. Also when we scheduled Miami Ohio, and Bowling Green they were much better than they are now. As I recall a few years ago we punked Utah and beat BYU two years in a row. I think Boise State is 11-1 all time against the MWC with our one loss coming to a very good TCU team. Give the Broncos some props cougs, at least they live up to the "hype"! Sorry Utes and Cougs, not a good day for you. Congrats to Utah though on a great win streak, you have a quality program. Cougs, congrats on accomplishing mediocrity for another year. Nice showing. WOW
    Go Broncos!

  • I tried to tell everyone
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:06 p.m.

    but no one listened. OU looked like a pee wee team and if played again OU by 21 or more. Utah is average at best this season and were last year until the last two games of the season. I told everyone that FSU was going to give BYU trouble. I thought that FSU by 14 but wow. Now people do you realize that the MWC is not that good. TCU is your best team and they wouldn't finish in the top 3 or 4 in the big 12. BYU and Utah got exposed and you have got to love it because of all the fans talking like BYU and Utah are unbeatable. I'm a fan of a out of state team that is ranked number #2 in the country and right now not sure if we are playing that way. I know each week we could be beat so I don't talk all the smack that BYU or Utah does after 2 games. How can you talk about a NC after 2 games. Watching the OU game you could see OU played bad and BYU shouldn't have jumped so high.

  • USUfan
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:06 p.m.

    I am cheering for any team that can bust the BCS. BYU had my hopes really high. This is disappointing. After today, I am left with cheering for Boise St and TCU.

    BYU will have to play for a trip to the Las Vegas bowl.

  • Jake
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:01 p.m.

    I'm a Ute fan who has been watching both the Utes and Cougars for decades. With all due respect, I was very suprised by the build up of hype after the BYU win over Oklahoma. It seemed to come primarily from the local media, but also fans and even some players. Perhaps Utah benefited last year from being unranked to start the season, and pretty much a stealth team until fairly late in the season. You've got to prove it one game and one day at a time. No one should ever be crowing about BCS and titles on after winning only two games. That's just arrogance.

  • Oh Please
    Sept. 19, 2009 11:01 p.m.


  • Bradford Out
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:56 p.m.

    K - for all of you who can't comprehend. BYU knocked Bradford out of the game because they beat OU's O=Line. "if Bradford played the second half" is irrelevant = he didn't thats part of the game

  • Re: T-shirt slogans | 10:28 p.m.
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:56 p.m.

    Very, very funny. I especially like

    "We're better than you and we know it!"

    With that, good night.

  • TruBlu
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:56 p.m.

    Aw heck! This game was one of those outlier thingies I learned in STAT. The rest of the season is back on the trendline created by the first two data points of the season. Just watch and see.

  • BYU Fan from Arizona
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:55 p.m.

    Turnovers hurt BYU. BYU should have been better prepared, but all MWC fans should support all their schools. It shouldn't be just Utah or BYU or TCU. All fans should support the MWC teams!

  • Nathan
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:52 p.m.

    I guess the Lord was watching the ND-MSU game today? I gotta tell you BYU gets now respect, even from above.

  • UtesRock
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:51 p.m.

    the Utes are still the best team in Utah and tonight embarrassing lost of BYU proves that hahahahaha

  • re: code of conduct
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:49 p.m.


  • picture
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:48 p.m.

    Signaling the charge? What are they doing? Is this the latest gimmick/mantra/whatever? Just play football. Come out on the field, don't act like you're in a movie or you're in the scriptures. Just come out like everybody else and play football........ and don't do the haka. (Which I guess is now just after victories which doesn't make sense given the real purpose of the haka which doesn't really matter because they lost and forgive the run-on sentence)

  • What?
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:48 p.m.

    BSU "destroyed" Oregon?? No, BYU got DESTROYED, not Oregon. FSU is not ranked so don't come on here and talk about how good they are...great example of BYU spin. BYU WAS #7 and GOT OWNED by an unranked team.

    End of Story.

  • Hater | 9:49 p.m.
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:47 p.m.

    Tulsa is knocking...

  • Wow!
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:45 p.m.

    "The best defense in y... ooohh flip!"

  • Attention Utes
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:44 p.m.

    BYU threads must be your comfort blanket, it is obvious that the only way to find any comfort in the ute loss is rip on BYU to make yourselves feel good about your inter self. Truly and utterly pathetic losers.

  • Actually Miami is ranked
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:43 p.m.

    Yeah, check the polls... then come back and write something intelligent!

  • Little Jimmy Brady
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:40 p.m.

    Hey Zoobs, Didn't I tell you in my last several posts? You people never learn... My gramps used to say that empty barrels make the most noise. That describes zoob fans to a T. Like I said you just got lucky. Thanks for making my weekend great. Can't wait until TCU takes you a part.

  • There it is
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:37 p.m.

    Now that's the team I knew we had. It went away for a little bit, but it made a comeback in a mighty way tonight.
    Now we can all get back to being big fish in a little pond, instead of trying to pretend like we could play with the big boys. Silly, silly.
    I love BYU - but let's be realistic. Because of the way we recruit, we are never going to have the athletes necessary to compete consistently at the BCS level. Just ain't going to happen. Maybe for Utah and TCU, but not BYU.
    Nice try, everyone, suck it up and win a close one next week with CSU.

  • Kap
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:35 p.m.

    Very happy BYU lost! Can't stand Max Hall. BYU is definetly OVERRATED! More TALK and NO ACTION! I think the cougars should ONLY play the NCAA II division schools ...that will keep the cougar fan's mouth zipped. GO WASHINGTON HUSKIES! By the way, I'm LDS, but not a BYU FOOTBALL/BASKETBALL fan. Love the BYU RUGBY/VOLLEYBALL teams though. Jake Heaps, change your mind and sign up for the HUSKIES.

  • BYU Fan
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:34 p.m.

    BYU=overranked; FSU=underranked.

  • Albert Pujols
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:33 p.m.

    went 0-3 today. hum, maybe I should jump off his ship, I mean obviously all his HR's and hits from other days are now ruined. In fact I might call him up and let him know he is a disgrace to MLB and the small town of STL and that he should never try to be on the same stage as NYY.

    On second thought, SHUT UP!

  • Oregon vs FSU
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:33 p.m.

    To all those BYU fans screaming Utah looked as bad against a worse team:

    Florida State needed two scores in the final 35 seconds last Saturday to avoid arguably one of the most embarrassing (home) upsets in school history: FSU 19 JVST 9.

    FSU is good but no way are they a great team. But I agree Oregon is absolutely horrible.

    Utah looks bad as well but I would NOT trade Cain for Max Hall any day. Nor our weak defense for your slow, non-athletic defense.

    TCU will destroy BYU next and CSU will put up big numbers next week.

  • Weber State
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:33 p.m.

    Well, now that BYU, Utah and Utah State are all out of the running for the fake FBS national championship, why don't you all jump on Weber State's bandwagon? The Wildcats made the playoffs last year in the FCS and are contenders for this year's national championship... one that will actually be awarded after a real postseason playoff.... Tonight's result... Weber State 44, Idaho State 17.... only team in the state to win.

  • Re: Anonymous | 9:45 p.m.
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:33 p.m.

    "Ute fans laughing and ridiculing BYU on discussion boards." Yeah, and BYU fans do absolutely nothing to bring it on themselves, right? WRONG! Stand up and take responsibility for the rude and inane comments that come from the BYU corner. You dish it our, you're gonna have to take it and buddy, it's coming because you guys have destroyed every ounce of respect our conference had.

  • Tebow
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:31 p.m.

    When was the last time Tebow was down by more than 2 scores? "Heisman" type QBs get "come from behind" wins because their defense keeps them in the game. No chance of that tonight. Defense wins! End of story. Utah's defense last year was amazing, thats why they won. Max and their offense is good enough to score on anyone. But scoring is useless if there is no defense. BYU's "un-success" has come from a lack of consistent defense. I think it comes down to coaching and getting these guys prepared. Mendenhall breeds arrogance.

  • BYU
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:31 p.m.

    GOT SCRAPED!!!!!!!!!

    Vegas Bowl again!

    So much for BSC-busting hype and any remote aspirations of national-title

  • ssssssssssss.........
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:31 p.m.

    . . . there goes the air out of the BSC balloon.

  • To: FYI Zoob...
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:30 p.m.

    Utah will be destroyed when they come visit the LES.

  • T-shirt slogans
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:28 p.m.

    Sorry for the tough loss at home cougs. But what is it with these lame t-shirt slogans that are printed every year????? It's like the coaches spend more time thinking of new things to put on t-shirts than planning for football games. As soon as the new shirts hit the stores all the zoobs flock in there like a bunch of cattle and buy them. And I still see people wearing those ridiculous "Quest" shirts. Quite an embarrassing fan base in my opinion. Who would actually spend money on those.....New ideas for BYU's t-shirts

    "Hall is really cool!"
    "We're better than you and we know it!"
    "I'm with stupid"
    "I miss 1984"
    "You're EVIL if you don't like BYU!"

  • Hater
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:28 p.m.

    I look forwad to the day BSU gets into the MWC to play all you guys year in year out.

  • um, not 6 losses
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:28 p.m.

    Yeah... BYU is not going to loose 6 games. TCU maybe - if they play like today. If they play like they did against OU, the Cougars could win out. 3 losses max. BYU will be ranked at the end of the year and I'm glad they played FSU. When you play teams that are good you get the chance to be in the NC mix (to stay we have to win). That said, playing San Jose State HS doesn't help the National respect thing.

  • wet
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:26 p.m.

    Don't know who is more embarrassed- the cougs or the OU coaching staff.

  • Difference
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:25 p.m.

    The difference between Utah and BYU is that BYU was supposed to be stacked this year and Utah totally has a new offense (besides Asiata and a couple linemen)

    The defense for Utah returned a lot of guys (except our best player and the two corners, who are focal points of the defense) but they can't win games unless the offense helps them out a little bit...

    As a Utah fan, I gotta say I didn't see a perfect season coming at all...I hoped for it, but the expectations certainly were not as high and any Utah fan that tells you they expected it is lying through their teeth...In fact, everyone saw a loss coming, as Utah was actually the underdog in Vegas today...

    This was supposed to be BYU's year, and after beating Oklahoma (minus Sam Bradford in the second half and I guarantee he would have made a difference) they had the perfect chance to run the table as long as they didn't have a letdown...But the favored Cougars were dismantled, which ruins all expectations that Cougar fans always hype up for their team...Hopefully they have learned their lesson

  • Can you say
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:25 p.m.

    Holiday Bowl?

  • code of conduct
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:24 p.m.

    BYU fan for life, and disappointed at the defeat. Remember , some schools are still committed to a purpose other than a football team. Navy, Army, AF, Stanford, NW, WF,Vandy and BYU. All D-I schools that will never play on the big stage.

    Athletes?, speed?, Ref's, Hall..any other rants? One should be be proud of the schools at a recruiting disadvantage. Water down the recruiting for a moment of glory? Your choice not mine, Have twins that are great RB's in HS. Their/My choice is Stanford or Ivy League.

    I was once was offered a chance with Army, not as a football player, but an Army Medic. I took the offer.

  • LOL
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:21 p.m.

    now I can go to bed and sleep well

  • Waived white flag in 3rd Qtr
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:21 p.m.

    When Anae ran up the middle twice down by 20. What purpose did that have?

  • CougarOnTheProwl
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:19 p.m.

    wow back down to reality again, the defense of last year reared its ugly head tonight. BYU better find more speed on defense, the defense is killing this teams chances of being an elite team. The offense is fine and can move the ball on any team but when defense is getting carved up like BYU's did tonight, that just puts the offense in a bad situation of trying to play come back and they start pressing which leads to turnovers.
    Get the defense fixed Bronco I am tired of watching these speedy offenses march up and down the field with ease and completely embarass the defenses and please teach them how to tackle the tackling was pathetic tonight!

    Sept. 19, 2009 10:17 p.m.


    You lost today - I don't care if your QB is a newbie, a loss is a loss! Why you are writing trash is beyond comprehension. Seriously, win your own freakin game then talk trash. Dont talk trash when you loss to a team BSu destroyed!!!

  • BYUte
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:15 p.m.

    We're all brothers. Lets pull together and win a national championship- what do you say?!

  • One bright spot today, Y
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:10 p.m.

    Gotta give it up to former Coug Steve Sarkisian. Although I did already consider USC overrated this year -making the Cougar's loss cut all the deeper, when they lost- what Sark's fellas did today was HUGE!

    Taking a winless team and beating the undisputed heavyweight in the conference is commendable, at the least. Nice job, purple!

  • Question Man
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:10 p.m.

    BYU, is it too much to ask that you keep things respectable?

  • Superdell is my pool boy
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:09 p.m.

    I guess all those BYU BCS shirts will now have to be given to charity, then again, don't punish the needy for BYU's poor defense.

  • Wow
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:08 p.m.

    Wow, I can't believe how snobby the Ute fans are being after their pathetic loss today to a team ranked about #100 in every offensive/defensive category. Was the BYU loss pathetic? Yes. But so was yours. So really neither of us has much to talk about right now.

  • Get A Clue...
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:07 p.m.

    Cheer up | 8:45 p.m. Sept. 19, 2009
    Yes, BYU is no longer ranked 7th. I don't think they will play any teams like Florida State for the rest of the season.

    One team comes to mind with speed and BETTER defense: TCU.

  • KFish
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:07 p.m.

    Hey Boise State Fans , Get a real schedule before you brag or disrespect anyone else!

  • RE: Re: Ha Ha, fun reading
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:07 p.m.

    Dude, if you need to use a calculator to figure out a 26 point margin - I don't know what to say... take a 7th grade math test.

    And as far as intellect goes let me figure this out... you're saying that Oregon and FSU are the same talent wise? I mean, just because Oregon got the snot kicked out of them by Boise St. doesn't mean they can compete with FSU. Fairly simple logic there...

    Was today's loss devastating? Duh! Is the Ute program anywhere near where it was last year? Not even close. Are the Cougs a better team at this point in the season than the Utes? Yep.

  • Re: Not a 5 Year set back | 8:46
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:04 p.m.

    "FSU is still a very good team (not just good - very good, borderline great)." Apparently, you did not see their loss to un-ranked Miami. FSU is very beatable. Please do not put a BYU spin on this game and then start talking like BYU is going to the BCS.

  • Bad loss
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:04 p.m.

    This was a bad loss all around. Utah has represented the conference well these recent years. By losing this game, it just justifies the BCS. Way to represent BYU. Everytime any Coug fans want to call up K Fan and complain that BYU gets no love and the BCS is unfair, just think of this game! Way to bring it Cougs. Stick to letting New Mexico, Wyoming and Air Force come to Lavell Edwards stadium. When a real team comes, this is how you perform. Another choke job by Max Hall. Another game that Bronco was out coached. Just a big joke! BYU is not a big dog, they sure would like to think so....

  • Disappointed, again !!!
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:03 p.m.

    The Mountain West Conference was exposed today -- Utah looked bad against Oregon; BYU didn't show up against Florida State, both offensively and defensively, plus kickoffs; Wyoming was defeated by the powerhouse, Colorado; and last and maybe least was the thorough massacre of San Diego by Idaho, who lost earlier to Oklahoma 63 to Zip. (I haven't checked about which San Diego team this was. I hope that it was a local high school and not the member of the Mtn West.)
    Nationally, this was a dark and dreary day. Now all that is left is in-state bragging rights. Boise State is the slighted leagues only hope, but even then Boise didn't look that strong defensively against Fresno State. I haven't seen what happened to TCU, the Mountain West's last chance -- I hope they won.

  • Re: Cheer up | 8:45 p.m.
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:01 p.m.

    What is in your kool-aid? I think a sell out LES would like to have some.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:00 p.m.

    It won't be a fast Sunday tomorrow . . it'll be the slowest three hours of my life!

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 10:00 p.m.

    Awww, fetch! We friggin' lost! I'm goin' to go to Macey's tomorrow and buy the biggest container of Rocky Road ice cream I can find and drown my sorrows! Hey . .wait a minute . . .

  • Re: Ralph | 8:37 p.m.
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:59 p.m.

    I think you're missing a couple of points, Ralph. It isn't that BYU lost to a team with superior talent...the problem is the #7 team lost to a team that is not ranked, and LOST BIG, and lost AT HOME.

    Don't minimize the importance of what has happened this evening. BYU has set the conference back several years. BYU did it, BYU is responsible for doing it, BYU will pay the price in their national ranking and post season play, and the MWC will pay the price in national respect of several years to come.

    THAT, Ralph, is the problem.

  • Utes fan
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:56 p.m.

    Where as I am disappointed that my Utes lost today. I'm glad it wasn't as bad as the Coug's loss. I would rather lose on the road in a place considered to be the loudest and maybe the toughest place to play, than slaughtered on my own turf.
    At least now we don't have to hear the NC and heismen talk anymore. At least not for a while. Why oh why do you cougs always over-hype your seasons before they even start or get far enough into it to really be tested? Go Utes!! Let's start a new win streak.

  • Same story every year
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:56 p.m.

    Speed kills. THe Oklahoma game was an aberation because Bradford was out and Stoops obviously did NO game film prep.
    I mean, BYU will have their way against non-athletic teams who can't play man to man. But BYU will play victiim to anybody with speed. TCU has the same make-up as FSU. ANd FSU ALMOST LOST TO JACKSONVILLE STATE last week, and only scored one offensive TD against a DII team!!

    So TCU will do what FSU did, but their D will be better.

    Play man, press, and it's only a matter of time before Hall makes some big mistakes. And if you have speed, forget passing. Just run all over that pathetic running D of BYU's, and then mix in a bomb once in a while to keep the DBs honest. If you have WRs taller than 6', you'll score through the air as well.

    Horrible defense, BYU. Horrible.

  • Coug Doc
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:56 p.m.

    You fair weather fans and armchair QBs disgust me. grow up and get a life.

  • re Same Old Cougars
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:53 p.m.

    This was NOT an ACC officiating crew. They were member of the CFOA (College Football Officials Association), made up of officials from Conference USA, WAC, and Mountain West officials. Stop balming the REFS for BYU's lack of prepairdness. FSU played an almost perfect game. BYU was not ready!!!

  • Tim from Portland
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:52 p.m.

    When the score is long forgotten, the memories of good sportsmanship will live on.

  • The Hailstorm
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:52 p.m.

    Gosh.. and just when things were looking so good and fun too.

  • Better to lose
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:51 p.m.

    to a legend in coaching than a first year former underling like Sarkesian. Better to lose to a FSU team that looked every part of the old FSU than an Oregon team that looked like high schoolers. Not so good to lose to a team at the homecoming after two fairly big wins. Not a good welcome for the homers. Byu falls to 18, FSU breaks top 20. Oregon still won't get a point. BYU still better than UT, this year.

  • The Bear
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:50 p.m.

    Looks like the MWC is doomed for "no respect" from the other major conferences for the next few years...

  • Hater
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:49 p.m.

    It's a great day in college football when all three Utah programs go down! Go BSU!!!!!!

  • Coach
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:47 p.m.

    Congratulations BYU, you now hold another record...the worst loss by a top 10 team to an un-ranked team. I literally went out and burned my brand new BYU sweatshirt!

  • Again?
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:47 p.m.

    Yep, same old story. Utah goes down, BYU goes down; and then their respective haters come out from under their slimy rocks to gloat. Anonymous blog jackals. Grow up.

  • One bad apple...
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:46 p.m.

    Why is it that BYU fans and others rally like crazy when they do well, and drop them like poison when they lose one game?!!!
    I don't understand.
    If we did that to each other each time we messed up -- what an awful world this would be.
    What an awful feeling it must be to have fair-weather fans when you thought that they were true blue. How awful to be mocked and put down by not only your rivals, but your own school's alumni?!!!
    How many of us were perfect as college students -- made no mistakes, prepared for every test without distraction, passed every test every time??? How many of us can say we are perfect now? Maybe its not just the team that needs to prove itself, but it's fans as well!!!

  • BYU will not win with RM'S
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:45 p.m.

    A team FULL of slow, unathetic returned missionaries playing against a team of NFL caliber athletes from Florida State. You see the result. 54 points given up AT HOME. That's not a loss - that's a total mismatch that will keep BYU out of the top 25 for a long long time. Bronco's RECRUITING has just been exposed for ALL TO SEE and I maintain BYU will NEVER win against another ranked team until they recruit some size on defense along with some athletes. Returned missionaries are great for fire sides but this is FOOTBALL - NOT intramurals. Somebody tell Bronco.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:45 p.m.

    You ute fans are lame. BYU lost and lost big but you lost as well. I was hoping Utah would win but im getting to the point were I may start to enjoy cheering against you. I know there are idiots on both sides but your side has more. You will always find way more Ute fans laughing and ridiculing BYU on discussion boards. I heard tons of Utah fans talking about bcs busting this year as well. You Ute fans are just as delusional as some BYU fans. So get over feeling good about yourself only when BYU looses. Ha ha is unhealthy!

  • U Fan first, conference second
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:44 p.m.

    Overall, a horrible day for the U and the MWC. A loss to Oregon on the road hurts, the Y getting crushed at home kills.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:42 p.m.

    I've been looking at the stories posted this week about BYU and reviewing the comments posted by BYU fans. With the benefit of hind sight, it's great reading, check it out.

    You people are the BEST!!

  • The ShamWow Guy
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:41 p.m.


    Welcome to your long, slow slide into mediocrity.

  • Not Hall's fault
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:41 p.m.

    Max is a play maker and you simple minded BYU fans ought to be darn glad you have him. The problem ISN'T Max Hall the problem is a new O-line that got it's head handed to it today by a REAL BCS conference team along with a pathetic defense that Bronco just doesn't seem to understand how to recruit. Utah and TCU have size and strength on defense that allows them to compete against anybody but BYU doesn't.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:40 p.m.

    I was at another HS sporting event today marvelling at all the BYU garb on display. "Quest" shirts (I thought we shipped all those to Somalia last year after the first loss???), and a variety of navy blue on top of culottes and cap sleeves. It is going back into the closet.

  • Overrated?
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:39 p.m.

    re: Anonymous at 8:10 | 8:30 p.m. Sept. 19, 2009
    You can't be serious if you've comparing that Florida St. team to Oregon. Oregon was one of the worst looking offensive teams I've seen in years.
    UTAH embarassed the conference just as bad as BYU todya.

    Just a friendly reminder we, the Utes, were talking about national title after the post season and 13-0 you were talking titles and Heisman after ONE game.

    Utah was horrible against a bad mediocre team on the road yet still had a shot at winning the game. BYU on the other hand were done by the 2nd quarter.

    FSU is good but they will lose 3 games (UM, FL, GT or NC) and won't even win the ACC.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:39 p.m.

    Hey, DN...I think you can take down those 1984 stories now. Put them away until, I think it was 2012 that someone said. Yea, that's it 2012 when the Cougs will be national champs again. Wait, it's going to take until 2015 for the MWC to gain back enough respect for the Cougs to have that opportunity. Never mind, forget 2012.

    To the Utes...on behalf of all of BYU-dom, I apologize for destroying what you accomplished last year. Once again, you will have to put the conference on your broad shoulders and take the lead. You will need TCUs help this year but you can do it.


    Disgruntled BYU Fan

  • Order restored once again
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:36 p.m.

    Before the season started I looked at the BYU defense and I saw a smallish D-line along with some very average line backers and the usual terrible , slow corner backs and predicted BYU would lose 6 games in 09. I stick to that prediction. BYU loses to TCU , Utah, New Mexico, Air Force and Colorado State.

  • LaVar the Utah Cat
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:36 p.m.

    Does this mean the Cougars won't be playing in the national championship game?

    Sept. 19, 2009 9:35 p.m.

    I am not reading all the comments in this section becuae there are going to be fans from both schools taking unecassary cheap shots. Lets face it. It is NOT easy to go undefeated no matter your team. Between BYU/Utah it has only happened 3x in 25 years. It is a lot to expect of these kids. I applaud you all. You did your best. There is still an opportunity for the the big 3 to end up in the top 15 this year.
    As far as BSU goes I hope you get clobbered by anyone and everyone you play. I would laugh and laugh if USU somehow beat BSU. I know it is not going to happen, but it would be good. There are teams who could upset BSU, but BSU purposely schedules patsies as they are afraid to show who they really are. I would rather lose to a respectable team than go undefeated and be questioned for eternity. BSU has only ONE victory in five tries in bowl games. ONE!!!! You are a punchline.

  • CJ3
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:34 p.m.

    It would seem that a top 10 ranking is a deaths sentence for BYU.

    The team lacks the necessary fortitude to follow through, folding under pressure pre-"mah-toorly" time and again.

  • Truth is...
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:33 p.m.

    If they played the same as they did today, this FSU team would have blown both Utah and Bosie St. out of the water! Probably even worse than they did to BYU, and they would have beat last year's Utah team.
    The only team in the conference that would have stood a chance against this team is TCU.
    This is a reality check folks. Don't blame BYU for losing big. You all would have done the same.
    Want proof? Utah lost to a very mediocre Oregon team, and BSU barely kept up with a mediocre Fresno State. Last year Utah barely beat some very mediocre teams. They came out big for the lackluster Alabama team, but they would have been blown away by an FSU team this good last year.
    You all better start recruiting athletes like TCU if you want to compete with everyone!

  • Poor Cougars. Poor Utes.
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:33 p.m.

    Feels sad to have both teams get embarrassed today. I thought BYU stood a chance. At least your offensive coordinator didn't call a fade route on the 2 yard line on fourth and goal with 2 seconds left to play in the first half....

  • Kumbaya
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:33 p.m.

    Let's all join hands for TCU. Go Frogs!!

  • Gayle R.
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:32 p.m.

    I was mocked for pointing out people celebrating on the Sabbath. Now look at BYU.

  • Re: Max not the Problem
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:31 p.m.

    Um, just for the record - Heisman type caliber players, such as Tebow, actually do lead there teams back into contention and then into the lead from behind.

    Max is certainly a good QB but far from great. Letting the Riley kid get some extra reps wouldn't be a bad idea.

  • BYU hears a who?
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:30 p.m.

    Hey BYU fans....would you like a little cheese to go with that whine? Now go play you're little mountain west conference schedule and spend the rest of the year talking about how good ya'll think you are.

  • Re: re: Anonymous at 8:10 | 8:30
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:27 p.m.

    Look, I know that misery loves company but I happen to agree with the original post...BYU really did embarrass the conference today. The MWC recognition achieved last year by Utah and TCU just went down the tubes and BYU is responsible for it.

    End of story!

  • PAC-10 Woody
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:27 p.m.

    Just the comments I would expect from the BYU faithful, to Same Old Cougars - stop blaming the officials. All these comments about the BCS, top ten rankings, and winning streaks (Utes), and the article in the Trib about Utah being ready for the PAC-10. To Upset - I am sure you are upset, but dominant? Yes FSU was dominant. The OU win was just lucky, if Bradford had not gone out early, BYU would have never been in the top 10, that was overrated. It is said over and over, you have to take one game at a time, BYU and the fans are worrying too much about the BCS. The MWC is not ready for 'prime time football'.

  • FYI Zoob...
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:26 p.m.

    Ha Ha, fun reading | 8:21 p.m. Sept. 19, 2009
    For the Uter that wrote BYU is a disgrace to the MWC, are you serious. FSU is a very good team, Multiple NC's. Utah just loss a game that Oregon tried to give to them - that's disgraceful to the conference.


    Keep telling yourself that if it makes you sleep better at night. How many D1 starts does Max Hall the senior have over Cain? Yes Utah looked horrible but they did not get destroyed like the Y.

    FSU does have national titles but I will guarantee you that this FSU team that DESTROYED you won't win the national title THIS year. In fact I am willing to bet they don't make a BCS game, just like you.

    Speaking of embarrassing...
    7-5 Arizona 31
    10-2 BYU 21

    Nuff said!!

  • Terry
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:25 p.m.

    Looks like the REAL BYU showed up

  • RE to re: Anonymous at 8:10
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:25 p.m.

    Dude right on the head! And I'm a Ute fan!

    News Flash to any Ute Writer - We Lost today. We lost to a team that isn't that good. We lost to a team that got destroyed by BSU.

    Translation: today is not a good day to write smack to the Cougar fans - do that after we get a win and you get your GED.

    Hey, FSU is a good team. Cougars you had a great win against OU. Best of luck against everyone aside from Utes and TCU.

  • Re: re: Anonymous at 8:10 | 8:30
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:23 p.m.

    and the spin continues...


  • Re: Heaps 2012 | 8:29 p.m.
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:22 p.m.

    Did I read this right?? Are you actually declaring BYU national champs for 2012? Holy cow, you people really don't learn.

  • Crying
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:21 p.m.

    Well, there is is still Boise State........

  • Possers
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:19 p.m.

    DB...thats what we need DB.

  • Go Utes!!
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:19 p.m.

    Scott Gavenman | 8:20 p.m. Sept. 19, 2009
    At least the yewts lost. As long as they lose, it is still a good day.

    BYU is offically the old, and slow big brother. The young and talented little brother lost with a QB in his 3rd game with new O and D coordinaters.

    What is your excuse of getting slaughtered by FSU as home. The same FSU that barely beat a Division 2 team last week. Why couldn't you make even stay close. Hmmm TCU, Utah, Arizona, and now FSU.

  • Re: BSC Scorecard | 8:26 p.m.
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:18 p.m.

    I think it is going to be a while before we hear any more from PK and DJ. So long to the spokesmen of the BYU collective intelligence.

  • Bob in line
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:18 p.m.

    O-W-N-E-D!!! Period.

    Completely out coached from the time they got off the bus yesterday afternoon.

    So now I root for BYU to beat Utah and TCU to beat them both and go BCS busting. BYU, why do you always do the let down? This is like beating Miami way back when the losing to freaking UTEP? Do they even have a football team?


  • BCS Fan
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:17 p.m.

    Hahahahahahahahahaha! Down goes the mwc!!! How did sdst do today. What? lost to idaho? Hahahahahahahaha!

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:16 p.m.

    The only thing that would have made this one more more fun is if Mendenhall had started the year off with one of his slogans.

  • Jason
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:16 p.m.

    FSU was clearly the better team in this game. I watched both games and think both BYU and Utah have been over-ranked this year. This should take some pressure off at least for the remainder of the season and stop all the stupid talk about the BCS and NC. I expect at least 1 more loss to TCU by both BYU and Utah.

  • BYWHO?
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:16 p.m.

    Maybe now I can get back to listening to Utah Sports Radio without having to hear all the "BCS Busting" nonsense from you Cougar fans. What a pathetic effort on your home field. That breeze you feel Cougar fan is from your national ranking dropping!

    And secondly, stop with all the Max hall Heisman talk! You pressure this kid and get him off his first progression and he will throw into coverage everytime. He is flat footed, slow and extremely non athletic.

    Lastly, the Mountain "Weak" Conference is pathetic. They should blow the whole conference up!

  • Shhhhh you can hear a pin drop.
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:15 p.m.

    I tried listening to my neighbor Cougar fans popping off all week but was quick to warn them that FSU was fast.

    Well guess what FSU embarrassed BYU and maybe now the BYU fan base will be quiet this year and next when they start off with a good win and then show that they don't belong.

    BYU pretenders.

  • popa bear justice
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:13 p.m.

    bronco did not have the cougs ready, hill had no clue what was happening and looked like a deer in the headlights on the sidelines and nervous nelly max played really really bad. maybe some changes are needed such as colorblind max as second string and nelson , you know the kid from logan that throws and runs and is heady and makes all those plays at first team. like that is going to happen and finally i love football but find the endless insluts between byu and utah fans tiresome and lame. i like utah and wish them well but i love byu

  • bleed red
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:13 p.m.

    Come on cougs. #7? What have you done with all the money we've given you from our bcs wins? Hall has another multiple pick game. His td/pick ratio is 1:1. Where was the fire, defense, toughness? Yea, the Utes lost. They were on the road and only by 7 though. Lets get better.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:12 p.m.

    FSU offensive line did a great job against us. Ponder had all day to throw.

  • Hall has a trophy
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:12 p.m.

    But he needs to give it back.

  • BYU Fan
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:11 p.m.

    I feel sick!!

  • Sorry Cougs
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:10 p.m.

    Finally, the cougars and all their shirts will go back into the closet! It's pretty sad that the cougars offense couldn't rip apart Florida, who has one of the worst pass defenses in the country! Florida looked good, BYU looked normal. BYU cannot compete with the big guys! (What's with these "I AM BYU Shirts?) Another dumb slogan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Utah fan
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:10 p.m.

    And I was feeling bad about OUR quarterback situation after today...yikes Cougars.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:09 p.m.

    The media weighs in...

    Check out the headlines on Fox Sports:

    "Overrated: Number 7 BYU Exposed by 'Noles"

    I guess we can only fool them for a while. I can't wait to hear Broco tomorrow..."we beat ourselves"

    Then after about a week...the fans will say, "but if not for the interceptions and the officials, we would have won."

    I'm done with the Cougars, I'm done with the idiotic fans, I am embarrassed with the whole mess.

  • I wonder if this game...
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:08 p.m.

    will be re-broadcast on KBYU as a "classic".

  • RE: ding dong
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:07 p.m.

    I agree. I thought the cougs would win this game, too. Wow. Way to blow it! Here's to one of the Bigges Losses Ever!

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:05 p.m.

    No need to show up early for a parking place at church tomorrow...all the BYU fan's will be at home crying.

  • Max not the problem
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:03 p.m.

    BYU fans. Quit all this talk about how Max loses these games for us. Its what happens when you are playing catch up football. Look at ANY QB in college football, if an offense has to play catch up to stay in a game, the QB is at a disadvantage (can't set the tempo for the game, time management etc). BYU has all the offensive power it needs. BYU needs defense. It needs to play smash mouth. BYU will never be able to compete until they get serious about defense. BYU needs to take a good look at their arrogance.

  • bigutefan
    Sept. 19, 2009 9:03 p.m.

    We're gonna win a National Championsip and play in the title game!
    We're gonna go to a BCS bowl game!
    We're gonna have the Heisman trophy winner!
    We have the best defense in BYU history!
    Beating Oklahoma was the biggest win in college football history!
    Jaime Hill is the best defensive coach in college football!
    We have solved our problems on defense and we are not slow anymore!
    We have the fastest secondary in college football!


    What a bunch of garbage Cougar fans have been dishing out since their fluke performance against Oklahoma. You are not the greatest gift to college football, just so fun to see ya fall after the ridiculous onslaught of trash talk you have been dishing out.

    What comes around, goes around, it's over Yners!

    Sept. 19, 2009 9:00 p.m.


    Sept. 19, 2009 8:59 p.m.

    the COUGARS fall to win the not so big one after the big one?

    Well it's an improvement because we hadn't one the big one for 19 years. Hopefully next year (yep I just said it) we will learn to count to 2!

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:58 p.m.

    I am going to be laughing about this for the rest of the season.

    Tell me again, BYU fans...about that national championship you are going to win.

    Chirp, chirp, chirp.

  • Wow Utah Fans!
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:57 p.m.

    There's some gems here:

    1 - Utah is a nat'l power.
    WHAT!?? WHAT!?? You have to be joking. Be serious.

    2 - Everything Utah and TCU accomplished last year just got destroyed.
    You're right. Terrible loss at Oregon. That's right. Utah lost today. At Oregon. Who's terrible.

    3 - BYU set the MWC back 10 years.
    You do realize the "Sugar bowl champ" Utes, just lost to the lowly Oregon Ducks, don't you?

    The fact that Utah fans are talking trash is equally if not more embarassing than the BYU loss today.
    It's like if you had a girlfriend and got dumped, and then your neighbor gets dumped later that night, and you go over to his house, ring his doorbell, and say, "HAHA! You got dumped." Then the neighbor replies, "So did you. And your girlfriend was uglier."

    Ladies and Gentlemen: Your University of Utah fans.

  • Re: Ha Ha, fun reading | 8:21 p.
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:54 p.m.

    ...and here comes the BYU spin.

    Take a closer look at what your own fans are saying.

    Also remember that the one thing BYU and Utah had in common today is that they BOTH played teams that were ranked in the pre-season. Utah lost by 7 points. I have to get a calculator to figure out the point margin in BYU's loss.

    You embarrassed the conference today, BYU!

  • Bad omen
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:53 p.m.

    Utah and BYU friends starting befriending each other in their online comments, and then both teams get drubbed.

    Today is the day the MWC campaign for BCS respect died. Only TCU is left, and they will have trouble overtaking Boise State in the rankings.

    Even Idaho beat a MWC team today.

  • 1884!
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:52 p.m.

    Las Vegas bound!

  • True BYU fan
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:52 p.m.

    Give me a break. I hope all this bunch of comments are comming from Utah fans and BYU haters. As for me I take the bad with the good. Most of BYU fans never talked about national championship or BCS games. We just enjoyed two awesome games specialy the Oklahoma game. As for this game we still do not know if it was an off game for BYU and the best game for FSU. There is still a lot of football to be played.
    And you Utah fans do not do what you say BYU fans do. Don't be pathetic and wait to see what will happen with the rest of the season. Just as you say the oklahoma game was a fluke, the FSu game could have been a fluke.


  • Re: Scott Gavenman | 8:20 p.m.
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:49 p.m.

    You have the nerve to get on this board and refer to the Utes as Yewts after what the Cougars just did? My friend, you have just hit a new high in all time lows. You and your sorry Coug fans owe the Utah Utes an apology for destroying every they (the Utes) accomplished last year in gaining respect for the conference.

  • Poop
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:46 p.m.

    Max Hall is so terrible. He looks so nervous out there. SOOO nervous. I'm sure he's a nice guy, but we don't need a nice guy out there. We need him to settle down.

  • Not a 5 Year set back
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:46 p.m.

    Today's losses by the Utes and Cougars are obvious set backs but lets get real for a second. The OU win was great for the conference. What the Utes did last year was great for the conference. What TCU is doing is great for the conference.

    The Ute loss stinks because Oregon tried to give the game away and the Utes wouldn't take it. That said, if they beat Louisville and don't take any "bad" conference losses. They will still get ranked at the end of the year and have a shot at a decent bowl game.

    The Cougars loss stinks because Hall is Hall... he plays great against inferior competition and inferior against great competition. That said FSU is still a very good team (not just good - very good, borderline great). And they have talent! The Cougars still have the chance to be top 10 at the end of the year.

    And TCU still has a BCS shot.

    BSU - well they should be allowed to play in the MWC to see if they could hang with the top 3. (they would definitely make it a top 4)

  • Cheer up
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:45 p.m.

    Yes, BYU is no longer ranked 7th. I don't think they will play any teams like Florida State for the rest of the season. Yes this was a depressing loss, but expect them to come back and win the rest of their games. Not happy with the defense tonight... the offense was fine. The offense only starting losing confidence after the defense biffed it all night long. This was not the same team that showed up to play Oklahoma. Either way, if BYU wins out, they will go to the BCS. I don't think Boise State needs to go to the BCS, their schedule is too weak.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:44 p.m.

    Still love my BYU, but ouch-- defense. You put way too much pressure on the offense. LB were out of position the whole night- from contain to middle. Defensively the plan was very poor.

    Any BYU fan who complains about the refs didn't watch the game. The officials were consistent the whole night. Yes, there were missed calls on both sides. FSU dominated both lines.

    BYU receivers were awesome- did you see some of those wicked catches. Lets move on and have a great season. Go BYU.

  • hahahahhahahhah
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:44 p.m.

    byu is #7 hahahahhahaha byu is so good, hahahahhahha
    byu the bcs buster ahahhahahahah. byu can play with anyone. hahahhahhahahha

  • Re: bench hall | 8:12 p.m.
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:42 p.m.

    What do you mean, "Las Vegas bowl here we come?" BYU has to earn a trip to the LV Bowl and the way I see it, they will have to battle Utah for it because TCU will be going to the BCS.

    Roll Frogs!!!!!!!!

  • Finally Exposed
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:42 p.m.

    I've been saying for years that Mendenhall and Whittingham are both mediocre coaches. Every year we here how they're going to make a run for the NC. They have very good players but are horrible head coaches. Get use to it!!!! BYU and Utah are stepping stones. If they're good, they'll end up somewhere else after a couple years. If' they're not, expect them to stay for a while. Mendenhall was NEVER consider for UCLA> They want talent there!!!!

    Get out of the Utah bubble and experience real life!!!!

  • merlynn legg
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:42 p.m.

    Happy that the BSU Bronco's won against Fresno State and will move above BYU in the polls. Got to love the BSU Bronco's and the blue turf.

  • Help
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:40 p.m.

    Can we trade Hall for Tim Tebow? He would have live in Utah instead of Florida,not.

  • Bubble Busted
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:38 p.m.

    NO BCS busting this year. After a loss like that. What an embarrasement! I knew we were over-rated, but to get beat SO bad at home is sick. Game one I was exited about the defense. Games two I was even more a believer. Game three . . . well I guess we're back to the drawing board. Max Hall really struggle against good teams. We could have really jumped up in the polls with USC lossing today. But if frogs had wings, well we know the rest. Stay tough Cougs!

  • Pride
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:38 p.m.

    I predicted the loss last week and all the intelligent BYU grads called me an idiot. I wanted BYU to win too, but I'm not blinded by fanaticism. FSU is way more talented than BYU and it was obvious. BYU has two more losses on the horizon TCU and Utah. Pride has spoken

  • Gloria
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:37 p.m.

    BYU just can't play with the "big boy" teams. They wouldn't have won against OU if the QB hadn't been injured. They need to stay in the Mt. West. They just can't play against the really "rated", and great teams. Sorry, BYU.

  • When is the NC game?
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:37 p.m.

    Cougar fans, when is that NC game that BYU will play in? Also, what time? what TV network? ESPN? NBC? CBS? ABC? or PBS?
    I'd like to watch!

  • Ralph
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:37 p.m.

    come on, let's give credit where credit is due. BYU just got beat by a very good FSU team. FSU has more weapons and a great QB. No more Max Hall for the Heisman. He can't tie Ponder's shoes. We got beat today by a much better team with much better personnel. It's okay to get beat by a superior team. Let's get after it again next week........

  • The Refs are to Blame?
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:36 p.m.

    Common' Cougers, you got a reality check today. I am a former Couger myself, now living in ACC/SEC country. You all just don't get it. In this area, Basketball is king, and yet, this regions football is still way more intense than in the Mountain West. The recruiting pool is just huge.

    BYUs biggest problem today was thinking that they could disrespect the speed that FSU and its sister schools bring to the field. No amount of altitude is going to replace raw speed. Get over it.

    And Boise State fans - start playing in some real places. Visit Texas. Take a road trip to Florida. Make a run into Ohio and see what 100,000 fans sounds like. Play in the swap down at LSU, then you can talk. Having your own bowl game on the smurf turf doesn't make you real. Play a season with the big schools where their players play hard games 6 to 8 games a year, not just 2. Then well listen to you. Until then..... show a little respect. You have yet to prove anything.

  • BYWHO?
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:36 p.m.

    Great game Cougars! You and Utah really represented your conference well today. Now both of you stop with all the BCS busting talk. Your not ready for the prime time baby! So much for the Mountain "WEAK" Conference...

  • #7 No more
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:36 p.m.

    OVERRATED! Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap.

  • San Diego
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:35 p.m.

    San Diego in December sounds nice. Navy looks decent this year.

  • jojo
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:35 p.m.


    Bowden out coaches, gets in the heads of BYU players and fans all week long.

    BYU--anoter 3 loss season and Vegas Bowl bound (maybe). What a missed opportunity!

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:35 p.m.

    Man, FSU really exposed the BYU defense. Once again, BYU can't represent the MWC in a big game. The OK game was a fluke. The only two reasons BYU won that game is 1) because it was Oklahoma's first game and 2) because Bradford got hurt. If BYU played them next week, OK would destroy the Cougars.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:35 p.m.

    I saw this Fl State team loose to unranked Miami. Nice job BYU. Whose next on your schedule?

  • Ute Fans
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:33 p.m.

    Have you ever seen so much smack talk from a team WHO ALSO LOST!?
    Shows the intellect we're dealing with. Congratulations Utah fans. I'm glad you played so well today so you can talk so much smack. Oh wait. You lost. To a HORRIBLE Oregon team. Unranked. No offense. No star RB. You just lost.
    Your QB looked awful.

  • Speedy
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:32 p.m.

    All I have to say is: SPEED KILLS!!!

  • Mountain West fan
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:32 p.m.

    Mayber Bronco will now learn to stop being so arrogant and then embarrassing himself. Bronco is an embarrassment to the school and BYU is an embarrassment to the conference. I know Utah and TCU will have good years, so the conference will be ok.

  • Stop Blaming
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:32 p.m.

    The refs were not from the ACC. Florida State flew 2800 miles to simply to expose what we already knew. BYU is not that good. They are slow! The Oklahoma game was a fluke. TCU is the best team in the conference. BYU just embarrassed the MWC. This is why we get no respect.

  • Down Big
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:32 p.m.

    May be the understatement of the year so far.

    Not certain they were ever "in" the game.

    Follows the pattern established in recent years.

    Team with speed plays the Cougs, smacks them in the mouth early & often, BYU gets dazed & confused, forgets to play the game.

    The "Y" seems to do better in games where they have a clear edge on talent. However, when the other team is as talented and is not intimidated by the mighty Cougs, the Cougs tend to underperform.

    Just an observation

  • Duh
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:31 p.m.

    Thanks, BYU, I knew you could do it.... that is lose again. I love to see them win but to lose in this fashion hurts. But then again, I have always said, I don't care if they lose every game, as long as they beat Utah, it is the only game I care about. Of course now it looks as if that will be the only game all of us is going to care about. After their showings today, both teams will lose 2-3 games and go nowhere.

  • Lord Buckingham
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:30 p.m.

    The game should be called throwball not football. Football is played by teams like Liverpool, Barcelona, Real Madrid. Quite honestly a good Rugby team would beat BYWhooHooHoo

  • re: Anonymous at 8:10
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:30 p.m.

    You can't be serious if you've comparing that Florida St. team to Oregon. Oregon was one of the worst looking offensive teams I've seen in years.
    UTAH embarassed the conference just as bad as BYU todya.
    Only you could talk smack after losing yourself.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:29 p.m.

    Embarrassing day for BYU football.

  • Heaps 2012
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:29 p.m.

    With Heaps and all the other blue chip recruits coming next year we will win the national title in 2012.

    Nuf said.

  • NC
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:28 p.m.

    Does that mean we won't play for the NC? ;)

  • never cry wolf
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:28 p.m.

    The next time BYU gets national attention (if ever) I know alot of skeptical fans in Utah county who will take the "wait and see" approach. Anyway, BYU easily loses to TCU at home along with Utah and then gets thumped on the road at New Mexico finishing with a mediocre 7-4 record and a tie for third in the MWC. BYU's program is a joke and getting worse year by year. Utah and TCU have the athletes to represent the MWC well no matter who they play - BYU doesn't.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:28 p.m.

    Wow, they sure had our number tonight. I am truly sorry for all the awful things I have said about Utah the last couple of weeks.

  • Gomer
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:26 p.m.

    Surprise, surprise, surprise...

    BYU fans:

    1. Talk way too much
    2. Don't learn

    Take a lesson from the Book of Mormon...try being humble.

  • BSC Scorecard
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:26 p.m.

    Utah 2
    Boise State 1
    Hawaii 1
    BYU 0

    Now maybe sports radio can STOP talking about BYU and the national championship. PK and DJ will now have to come back to earth.

  • Houston Cougar
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:26 p.m.

    A shootout -- and BYU got shot. Check that, BYU hardly even got off a shot.

  • SoonerUte
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:25 p.m.

    What a difference it makes when the opponents starting quarterback plays the 2nd half too!

  • Ouch
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:23 p.m.

    That is going to leave a mark! So much for Max Hall's senior leadership. Riley Nelson looked pretty good in the end. It will be interesting to see how the Cougars and Utes respond to their losses today.

  • ding dong
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:23 p.m.

    once again your BCS hopes are gone!!!!


    I actually thought you would win this game.... thank you for proving me wrong - this is way sweeter than if you would have lost to Oklahoma. This will go down as one of the best coog losses ever!!!

  • WOW!!!
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:22 p.m.

    Losing by 26 on the home turf has got to be worse than losing by 7 in a hostile environment!!!lol Seriously, cougar faithful you shouldn't have been cheering when the Utes were down it was bad karma and now you've gotten your fair share of pay back!

    I love how the coooogs always think they have something special till they blow the pooch somewhere right after they get some hype!lol I wonder if it's just too much reading of their own press clippings that this continually has happened the last few years.

  • Ha Ha, fun reading
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:21 p.m.

    Oh the post are great.

    Reality check - the Cougars are good. They are better than the Utes right now. Most likely they will not prevail against TCU, but we'll have to find out.

    The game against OU was a great boost for the conference. For the Uter that wrote BYU is a disgrace to the MWC, are you serious. FSU is a very good team, Multiple NC's. Utah just loss a game that Oregon tried to give to them - that's disgraceful to the conference.

    In a day or two both of todays losses will subside. The Utes are suppose to have a down year. The Cougars are obviously not going to the NC title game this year, but if they finish strong they will still a top 20 ranking. The MWC still has hope but we are not top tier. Oh well, our teams are still fun and still very competitive.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:20 p.m.

    Everything Utah and TCU accomplished last year just got destroyed! Thanks, a bunch...BYU.

  • total mismatch
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:20 p.m.

    BYU is NOT a national power. Utah is (although not this year). BYU HAD to have this Florida State game to prove that it belonged and ...well ... I think we know the answer to that. BYU doesn't have the athletes to compete against the speed of Florida State or Miami or anybody else in the SEC or ACC. This wasn't Bronco's fault nor was it Max Hall's fault. This game was won on the line of scrimage with superior athletes that Florida St. has and BYU doesn't. BYU had the chance to prove they belonged and they set their program back to square one with this blowout.

  • Scott Gavenman
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:20 p.m.

    The season is not over. The MWC championship is still up for our taking and we will do it. One loss is hard to take, but it is not the end of the world. At least the yewts lost. As long as they lose, it is still a good day.

  • Embarrasing
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:20 p.m.

    I'm a BYU fan. I will be until I die. But today I am upset at Mendenhall and I'm upset at the players. You should hold your head in shame BYU. And no amount of spin will put a positive on this one coach.

  • Max is out, Riley is in
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:19 p.m.

    Nelson looks alot better than old Maxy. Way to step it up in the big games big BYU quarterback. Five picks last year against the Utes, how many today? If I am Bronco I am seriously looking at Nelson. So dissappointing for all of the Coug fans that are so excitable after going 2-0 on the season. It is probably a good thing they got worked because if they would have one I am sure there would have been some type of slogan or tshirt started for a BCS run. 54-28

  • BSU Fan
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:19 p.m.

    Thank you!

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:19 p.m.

    You guys just blew the MWC out of the water. Wait, what's that blue swoosh??? Oh, that's just BYU flying out of the top 25. Well done!

    Go TCU!!

  • Atleast it was respectable...
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:19 p.m.

    NOT!!! What a sorry team. All the trash talk from Kitty fans on Ute articles about: BYU's mighty defense, national title contenders, Hall for Heisman, how bad Utah looked, how Oregon was going to destroy Utah....

    How funny it was BYU that got a beating with a senior QB in his 3rd year starting. Utah looked bad but it could have been worse we could have played like BYU.

  • BYUinTN
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:17 p.m.

    Where was the the pressure on the Florida St. QB? Where was BYU's defense? 1984 repeat just went out the door. Where do the Cougars go from here? Just remember there were several recruits that BYU is still after that were in attendance and what kind of impression this loss may have on them.

  • Re: AZ Dave | 7:54 p.m.
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:14 p.m.

    That's funny...and well said. Good night!

  • def- what?
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:13 p.m.

    defense, anybody?

  • bench hall
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:12 p.m.


    turnover after turnover. put him on the bench.

    where are all the idiots now talking national championship, bcs?

    we had it coming, talking like that.

    reality check, we are slow, small, and not athletic.

    las vegas bowl here we come.


    signing out until the utah game.

    nothing really left to look forward to now.

    thanks cougs

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:10 p.m.

    Way to represent he MWC. At least Utah was competitive. BYU set the MWC back 10 years.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:10 p.m.

    Set the MWC back five years? Speak for yourselves, Zoobs. I don't expect the Utes to go undefeated every year but they represent the conference just fine.

  • Aaron
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:09 p.m.

    Looks like the Max Hall we all know and love finally showed up this season. Guy was single handedly responsible for HALF of the Seminoles points. He played like he had money on their time. Nice.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:07 p.m.

    Bronco makes $900K?? Wow. Does he have BYU and it's fans fooled.

    Too funny!

    Guess what, BYU fans...NO BCS FOR YOU! Yea, I know...just wait until next year when you win the national championship. I can hear the talk already.

  • no surprise here
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:06 p.m.

    can you say "overrated"! Say goodbye to the top 25 for the rest of 09 BYU. What a joke. Too much speed. Too many athletes for the slow Provo boys. So much for polls too. BYU defense stinks just as I thought. Had Bradford not gotten hurt in the OU game BYU would be 1-2 right now. Anyway, you have to prove yourself to be in the top 10 and BYU didn't.

  • Slobby Cheese Toes
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:03 p.m.

    I s'pose that today just set the MWC back 5 years. Start making plans for the Poinsettia Bowl folks and pucker up to kiss the back sides of the ACC and their automatic qualifying after all. Sheeeesh, this is disappointing!

  • Upset..
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:03 p.m.

    Man, I just have to get on here and vent out.. I was at the game and left when FSU went up 36-14. We did not look dominant at all in the trenches, skilled positions and everything! Dang, I hope we can improve. I thought out defense was better this year.. I guess not! The offense well let's chat about them laters.. Let's get better than today cougs!! fudge

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:02 p.m.

    byu and their naive fans always claim bcs status in septmeber. they never learn. utah is still the only mwc team to bust the bcs - twice - and win - twice. byu will never get there.

  • BCS difference
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:01 p.m.

    And that, my Utah and BYU friends, is the difference between getting up for one or two big games every year and playing five or six every year. FSU and Oregon won't be the top team in their league. I believe the MWC is the sixth best league and belongs in the BCS, but is no where near the SEC, Pac-10, Big-12, Big-10 and ACC. I think Cincinnati in the Big Least would probably beat both of you as well. Can we accept reality now? I know the answer is still no. Have fun with Orrin Hatch in Congress.

    Boise State and the BCS

  • Reality
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:01 p.m.

    Max Hall is back to his old ways in the second half against good defenses.

  • Pride Cometh...
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:01 p.m.

    Before the fall

  • Howie
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:00 p.m.

    Yikes! Note to Bronco: Speed Kills

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:57 p.m.

    Once again, Hall implodes.

    Look at it on the bright side, BYU least this year you got your reality check early in the season before you made yourselves look too foolish with all the talk.

    Way to represent the conference, once again.

    Maybe this time, you people will learn.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:55 p.m.

    Talk about a beat down. BYU is terrible. I'd be worried about Colorade State if I wear the Cougars.

  • FSU Secondary
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:55 p.m.

    Max Hall's new favorite receivers are FSU secondary. I guess he needed a new best friends since Ute secondary are playing in the NFL.

    Don't worry max TCU and Utah will make sure you don't feel lonely.

  • BYU pathetic
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:55 p.m.

    Enough said-and to think I actually cheered for the Y??? Why BYU is not like Utah, they are has beens since the 1984 season. What a shame-the MWC was just starting to build some momentum.

  • AZ Dave
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:54 p.m.

    SHUT THE HECK UP. Shut up about BCS busters. Shut the about NC. Shut up about respect. Shut up about the refs and your lame excuses. You are getting a beat down by a good, not great team. Say hello to speed and talent.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:52 p.m.

    Officiating? How about BYU's defense (or lack thereof), or Max Hall throwing to the other team again. Florida State doesn't need any help from the officials. This is just a gold old fashioned beat down. BYU is obviously extremely over-rated.

  • What a joke
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:52 p.m.

    for making $900,000 a year, Bronco should have been more prepared!!!!

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:52 p.m.

    Hey, DN...did you guys just change the Cougar Web page. You must be incredibly embarrassed, too.

    Why don't you post some pictures about their national championship. Do you have any that aren't black and white from back in the day?

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:52 p.m.

    speed kills & byu has none. tcu is the best team in the mwc (and is better than boise state), utah is a close second. byu is division 2, at best. so much for a trip to the bcs, so much for a shot at a national championship, so much for max hall for heisman.

  • 54-21
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:48 p.m.

    BYU never loses at home... never say never! They will need miracle to win now! So much for BCS busting. But I still love my Cougars - Go Cougs!

  • Re: Ernest T. Bass | 7:30 p.m.
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:47 p.m.

    I don't live in Utah. Is that really happening? Cougar fans are sooooo gullible. Absolutely hilarious. No one on the planet is better at talking than BYU fans. Talk it up, it up!!

    GO TCU!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am going to laugh myself to sleep tonight.

  • cougfan
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:46 p.m.

    Here we go again. Lack of preparation, over confidence, failure to adjust, and that deer in the head lights look, and it's over!! When you are down, passing downfield is working, what you want to do if you are BYU is go to the run, fail to pick up first downs, give the ball back quick to an offense you can't stop, and then blame the officials!!! Sorry to be a BYU supporter!

  • BYU got spanked
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:46 p.m.

    But that pick six was the worst no call I have ever seen...

  • Wait
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:44 p.m.

    Should have waited til december to talk about BCS bustin'...

  • Bowden
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:44 p.m.

    Earth to poogerville this is what happens when you look ahead to the NC game after winning only 1 or 2 games.


  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:43 p.m.

    Um, well, okay, at this point, I guess I'm stuck with this:

    GO TCU!!!

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:42 p.m.

    BYU almost scored half as many points as FSU...whoops

  • Power 6
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:41 p.m.

    I'm glad to see that order has been restored. Boise will be and should have been the only buster ever. The MWC can complain to Congress all they want they are were they belong. GO Oregon Go FSU

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:40 p.m.

    BYU never loses at home...wait

  • Truth
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:40 p.m.

    If it weren't for the refs, speed of FSU, and the pride of our team we "would-of" totally dominated today.


  • Re: Smell a Come back? | 7:23 p.
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:38 p.m.

    Grow up BYU fans...stop blaming your problems on the officials. NO ONE is out to get BYU! Football has a rule book and believe it or not, even the BYU Cougars are responsible to follow it!! You people are an embarrassment to the MWC!

  • R.I.P. MWC
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:35 p.m.

    Already one comment about the officiating....... two bottles of the state of Utah BCS whine please!

  • Sanity
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:34 p.m.

    This officiating crew isn't from the ACC. It's a patchwork of referees from C-USA, the WAC, and Mtn. West.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:30 p.m.

    Can we please stop the "BCS busting Coogers" shirts and ads on sports radio?
    What a joke.

  • fairweather fans
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:27 p.m.

    Zoob fans, don't be so upset and just support your team. Obviously they are not as consistent as the Utes, who still lost today, but you are a sad group of fans. FSU is good, BYU is having a bad day, Utes had a bad day. Better days are awaiting both programs, and likely the Utes will have many better days.

  • i left early and ticked..with
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:26 p.m.

    myself. being a cougar fan is like being a cubs fan. why i did this to myself AGAIN ill try to figure out and remember when basketball rolls around and i pick them to win their first round game in march..NOT THIS YEAR!! i would be safer putting my money on the CHICAGO CUBS every year for the rest of my life. im going to buy a florida state hat.. peace out

  • BYU Chokers
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:26 p.m.

    Look at the bright side you are only down by 23 points going into the 4th quarter....eeeerrrrrrrrrr


  • Smell a Come back?
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:23 p.m.

    Same old Cougars | 7:06 p.m. Sept. 19, 2009
    Not to mention the ACC officiating crew is doing everything it can to help FSU.

    Cry me a river... still in the 3rd FSU has 410 yards on the same defense with 7 starters that were dismantled by TCU, Utah, and Arizona last year.

    I was actually expecting this score against OU.

    My Utes looked horrible today but atleast we didn't get spanked.

  • Tulsa fan
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:22 p.m.

    Mobile quarterbacks beat BYU up last year as well. Pre-game Bronce responded to the question "what are your weaknesses" by saying "They have not yet been exposed." We knew what it was, just hadn't come against it yet.

  • MiP
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:22 p.m.

    still time left to make the score "respectable"....

  • Airport Celebrations
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:20 p.m.

    After I've gotten over my intense anger with the team I think you said it best. This was actually the defense I expected against Oklahoma. I wished we had just lost that game. I guess the kids just somehow played the game of their lives against Oklahoma and this is the team and the defense that we really are.

  • What?
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:20 p.m.

    I thought we didn't drop games at home? The school lied to me. Maybe I will transfer to the U where they are at least realistic.

    Pull your head out of the clouds BYU. We just got spanked at home to a non-ranked team that barely beat Jacksonville State.

  • wet
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:16 p.m.

    Clueless, clueless, clueless

  • Whoops
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:11 p.m.

    Bowden comes into Provo and spanks the supposed 7th ranked team in the

  • Overrated,
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:10 p.m.

    Thanks for the jump back into the polls.


  • No More Airport Celebrations
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:08 p.m.

    This is the defense I was expecting from BYU against OU...

    6:01 3rd Qtr:

    FSU 44 (378 total yards)
    BYU 14

    Next time you celebrate at Provo airport make sure BYU is bringing a shiny new trophy with them.

    Thank you BYU for embarrassing the MWC once again (for more details see 10-2 BYU vs 7-5 Arizona from last year).

  • tommy
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:08 p.m.

    lets go cougs

  • 43-14?
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:07 p.m.

    i think byu should move down to division II and play teams like weber state that they can compete with....

  • Same old Cougars
    Sept. 19, 2009 7:06 p.m.

    This is the worst game I have ever seen Bronco coach in Provo. We have no heart and no defense. Not to mention the ACC officiating crew is doing everything it can to help FSU. Worst loss ever. another mediocre season here we come.