Hall Could win the heisman.... The year Detmer won it he had over 20 picks!!!
To: Angel | 8:14 a.m. NOT! Hall will not be in the run for the
Heisman when he completes so many passes to the other team. Just give in the
fact that Hall is out of the running. Saturday we will see how many passes he
completes to OU.
Stop quoting past preseason rankings to make your point. Pitt in 1984 ended
with only 3 wins and out of the top 50. BYU is 39% against current BCS teams
from 1980 through 2008. They are 14% against current BCS teams that finished in
the top 3 of their conference in 29 years (3 of 21) and 11% against top 3 Pac10
teams (1 of 9). They are 39% in bowl games with one win and one tie over top 25
teams, no wins over the top 10 in bowls. They are 9-13-1 in bowls 80-09. Utah
is 9-3 in bowls over the same period with and 5-1 against top 25 teams in bowls
and 1-0 against the top 10. They also have a 49% winning % against the current
BCS schools and a 49% against the Pac 10. They haven't lost a game to the Big
East School in over 29 years by the way and are over 50% against every BCS
conference except the Big 12 and Pac10 during the same period. There is NO
comparison between the two programs during the last 29 years and more recent
favors Utah more.
The last thing any BYU fan should talk about is a ranking that was undeserved.
Yes, the Utes did end up as the #2 team in the last poll which is the only one
that counts. Oh and they happened to have beaten 4 top 20 teams along the way
and an Alabama team that was #1 for most of the season. The TDS of course
doesn't use that logic when considering their 1984 season when they didn't play
anybody in the top 25 and then played the 6th place Big 10 team in their minor
bowl. Of course these are the same fans that discount close losses (and
sometimes even blowouts by blaming refs etc.) and consider them wins (Boston
College, Cal and a couple of Utah games come to mind) then turn around and don't
apply the same standard to their narrow wins like the two "miracle" games over
Utah in 06 and 07 and the Washington and recent UCLA bowl win. Yep, it helps
when your team is pathetic for 29 years (39% against BCS conference teams) to
have strong powers of rationalization. It works at least for BYU every August.
Don't take the bait Ute fans. Reggie is obviously another Ute Troll. How come
so many BYU fans sound like they have never watched a football game. Troll is
1. I went to ASU after Utah, and Arizona and my fellow ASU fans stink, because
they don't care except the week they play each other.... not a real
rivalry!!!2.Did Miami or Pitt finish in the top 10 those years?3. You cougies seam awfully worried about our team... You are traveling
to Texas to play OU with 7 O-linemen (one already has a broken hand). a normal
rotation (to keep them fresh) is 8, and in case of emergency, you take 10. Not
to mention OU probably has two of the best DT's in the country!! Don't worry
about my Campus!! Worry about yours!!
The quarterback situation is going to be fine. Whit will use this first game
against the Aggies to try both QBs in game time situations and have a definitive
starter by week 2 against San Jose for the starter to gain additional experience
and work out any bugs before hitting the Oregon Ducks in the mouth week 3. The
schedule is working in our favor for another run at the BCS. the only concerning
game might be the late season game at TCU. GO UTES! the true 2008
CAIN IS THE STARTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..........11-1 THIS YEAR!
How about Hall? He was real good for the Utes last year.Instead of
trying to talk up BYU, and downplay Utah, why don't you focus on your own team.
BYU embarrassed the MWC when it lost to Arizona last year. I cheer on the Y
when they don't play the U, so I was sickened that the Y couldn't beat Arizona!
Yes-utah will have to develop their quarterback--just wondering how max hall is
doing with reading those fast defenses--he turned the ball over a lot last
year--wonder if he has improved--odds are he still will struggle in the big
games against oklahoma, tcu, fsu and utah has a fast defense--that will be
interesting--the utes will struggle on offense for a year
This is a story regarding the Utah-Utah State game, isn't it? Utah should
keep the Aggies in suspense right up to the first snap by putting both QBs in
the huddle.And for Anonymous @ 4:54 and 5:36 - BYU beat Miami in
1990 when the Hurricanes were ranked #1 and Pitt in 1984 was ranked #3 at the
time of the game. Miami lost only 1 other game in the 1990 season, finishing
Arizona University my friend.I even went to the U before I got married.Most all my old friends went to the U as well. I couldn't stand the fan
mentality and decided I didn't like them.Hahaha, nice try
is fine with me.Prediction:Utah 35USU 14
Another typical Cougar. When you are shown to be completely full of it you back
away and claim you are not a cougar fan. Wouldn't want BYU fans to look bad
after all. You and Reggie should hang out. You might also want to think about
hooked on phonics. That's just my "advise" though.
Haha... It's funny how you assume I'm a BYU fan?? I'm not and I don't even live
in Utah! You know your response is twice as long as my first!Wow it
looks like you took things way to personal...Have you ever thought
about taking your own advise?...
Wow talk about living in the past. Give it up Zoobie it wasn't a pass
interference and it happened last year!! It is over and done with!! Go back to
1984 and live it up!!
Will anybody tell me when byu beat a top ten team?? Please anybody. No Guts
Oregon St. coach Mike Riley did not contest that call. "The Oregonian", in it's
post game wrap up said it was a good call.And, for your information,
TCU missed 2 FGs; not 3. TCU also benefitted from 2 blatant PI no-calls in the
1st qtr leading up to their 1st TD that the color analyst railed on and on
about. Furthermore, Utah's FG kicker made all his FGs. Special Teams is part
of the game. Utah got it done; Oregon St. didn't.And FINALLY...your
tears are DELICIOUS!!!GO UTES!!!
Coach Kyle was voted Coach of The year in two polls and in the other it was
Nick Saban of Alabama. Coach Kyle's team then went out and outplayed Saban's
team by a great coaching scheme. If he isn't going to name a starter yet then
who am I to complain and why the concern ? This guy is the best in the state of
Utah. Can't say that about the jacka$$ in Provo. Maybe the finest fireside
obsessed bishop wanna be but definitely not the best coach when you leave an
offensive lineman home , taking seven instead of the usual 10 on the travel
squad. What's with that ? Maybe one of you blew bloods can clue me in down
there where," The world is our Campuss"? Why is Bronky leaving an O-lineman in
Provo when he is already undermanned. Is This an Anae decision or is that
arrogant , self righteous , and double speaking Donko up to his usual clueless
Can't take the aggies for granted. Take NO game for granted. Teams who do can't
keep winning streaks up.My prediction:Utah 28USU 21After this game there will be no QB controversy.
Cougar fans really should leave that argument alone. Using the same logic with
BYU, they could have lost to UNLV at home, CSU on the road, and at Washington,
the WORST team in DI.In fact, if close games count as losses, BYU
would currently have a 7 game losing streak to Utah.Still want to
play that card?
Typical of a BYU fan. When one of your boys says something stupid you jump in
and try to claim it was a Ute troll. After all, there is no way a coogie fan
would say something that stupid, right? All BYU fans are smarter than Utah fans
after all, right? And as far as your pathetic attempt at marginalizing the Utah
ratings; Glad to know that you know more than all the experts in the Associated
Press. Because it's not their job to know more about football than you do. And
by the way, in case you were educated in Provo, that's what we call sarcasm.
Dude, even the Oregon State newspapers admit it was a pass interference.
both utah and byu play nobody. When they do they tell everyone. When Did byu
ever beat a top ten team??? They are 0 for many. What an easy bet to make
money on this weeks football game. Thanks byu I'll even give 10 percent back.
You need to work out those anger issues buddy. OK, breathe. Good, feel better
now. If you think that wasn't a pass interference than you should probably go
watch it again on youtube. After that go into the ncaa football rules page and
look up the definition of pass interference. If you still think it was a bad
call than you need to take off the blue glasses, stop drinking the blue
kool-aid, stop wearing a braided belt tied off on the left with your pants hiked
up to your chest and socks with sandals. Oh and stop tucking in the t-shirt
(1992 is over). After that, try therapy because you are obviously suffering
from delusion. By the way, who exactly is the "Organ State" team you were
referring to? And I might point out that you might not want to bring up almost
losing to mid level conference teams, because byU is the king of that world.
Colorado State and New Mexico ring a bell? As for the UNLV game; isn't it sad
that the only bad loss you can bring up is two years ago? How is you bowl
So, following your own logic, are you going to give back your 1984 (mythical)
national championship? Because much more so than Utah last year,
there really is no way BYU was #1 in 1984. At least Utah beat someone in the
top 5 last year - was the 1984 Michigan team even ranked?
Did you hear they are serving a new pastry at the BYU
concession(spelling?)stands this year. They expect to go through alot of Max
USC just named their starter today. I'd say in this respect (not naming the QB,
I mean...) the Utes are in good company.
You are as dumb as a box of "quest" t-shirts. To bad the on field results for
TCU and Utah totally debunk your assertions. Bowl victories against top 10 teams
is pretty strong evidence to the contrary. I expect the Y fans to degrade
anything the U does but to degrade your own team is hillarious but the only true
thing in your post.
Max Hall! Start Max Hall!
Re: Reggie... "NO WAY was Utah the 2nd best team in the country at the end of
the year either" !?!? Seriously!?!? Even the most
educated/respected local and national pundits didn't dare claim that. There's NO
WAY you can prove that because those games were never played. I
would like you to please name those ten teams that would have beaten them.
Please... be my guest.Oh and by the way... any teams you list don't
matter because the Utes never got the chance to prove they could beat anybody.
They just won when they had the chance to and laid the wood on a Bama team that
was ranked #1 for the majority of the season.So as far as your
opinion goes... PROVE IT!
Me find another division 1 team that went undefeated last season? i would say
be careful when questioning a winner's antic's when they are unique...
" I won't name a starter...and we won't platoon...and I hope to get both guys
into the game"...No distractions here huh?
Why would any Utah fan or any fan for that matter want a qb that throws eight
picks in two clutch games? Both of Utah's qb's are far better than Max Hall.
They don't make MISTAKES! byu just isn't at the same level as Utah right now
Just because we don't know who the clear cut #1 QB is doesn't mean that the team
doesn't know who the #1 QB is. So what if Whittingham is pulling a Belicheck
(spelling?) and not telling them the thing they most want to hear.
Re: re: AngelAnd your point is? Max had as many rushing TD's as Asiata and
had even more rushing yards! What does it all mean? Asiata should be the QB at
BYU and Max should be the RB at Utah?
Pathetic is thinking the Yewties will walk all over everybody with a brand new
QB!If it weren't for refs calling a PI when there wasn't when the
Utes went for 2 in the Organ state game, or TCU somehow missing three field
goals last year. Not to forget having close calls with other mid level mountain
west teams last year.Remember getting shut out 30 something by UNLV
two years ago?That was pathetic!I'm sayin all you Ute fans
need to stop thinking your invincible! Cause your new QB's are going to show
What do you guys think is a better deal? Chicken nuggets from wendy's or pizza
from little caesars?
Angel was an obvious ute troll, and I can't believe 3 ute fans actually took
his/her comments to be serious.To re: Angel at 10:14. BYU never played the
#2 team in the country last year. When BYU played Utah they were between #7 and
#10, and that was very generous. NO WAY was Utah the 2nd best team in the
country at the end of the year either. There were at least ten teams that would
have beaten them. Yes I am a Cougar fan, since you all will assume that anyway,
and I think BYU and TCU were overrated as well during the year.
So I named my new fantasy football team the "Stinkin' Yewts". I made them a
nice pink and white helmet with a pink....i mean "crimson" U. Had a bad draft
though, still can't decide which of my crappy quarterbacks to start,
me find another Division 1 football school that is "keeping secret" a QB
decision so there is less pressure on the QB? Hope the pressure of
an actual game doesn't affect these guys....WOW.
I think that if you think it is the ref's fault that BYU lost then you are a
very sad person. Sure there are occasional bad calls, that happens anywhere,
but there wasn't a conspiracy, and Max Hall admitted he performed poorly, he
didn't blame anybody else. IndyCoug has a point, if you don't know
who your starting QB is there is a problem. But I think that Utah knows their
starting QB and has known it for a while now. I remember when we
had TD Croshaw and Darnel Arcenal, that was a problem. Fortunately
I think that Cain and Wynn are both good and it is like deciding between La Chi
or Bennie Hana and not McDonald's or Arctic Circle.
Your posts are laughable. are you Max hall's promotor or agent or what? Best QB
in the country? Try 10th best if you're lucky.
Angel, did you even watch the Utah vs BYU game last year? Do you understand
football? Perhaps not if you think Hall is a Heisman candidate and the refs
decided the game. Hall was broken last year after the TCU game and he got
broken again in the Utah game. He had a weak line, weaker this year, he got
pressured, he starts to lock on receivers and not read through his progressions.
Good defensive coods. pick up on this. The Kruger interception was made by a DE
that ran from the opposite side of the field because Hall telegraphed the pass
and Utah knew he would go to the hot route if there was a blitz. This was his
pattern. He had 8 int's and 1 TD in his three games against top 50 teams last
year. This is why. No one cares how many yards he amassed against the teams
ranked from 51 through 120. This year BYU has a better schedule but still plays
5 games against teams ranked lower than the worst Pac10 team. The real test for
BYU isn't OU or FSU, it is Tulane on the road. That is where BYU is.
Yeah go max. Why dont you throw another 5 picks against us and we'll give you
the game ball as our mvp again.
Wow! Are you for real? Ladies and gentlemen, let me give you Angel's inner
monologue. "My cougars are so good they can't lose unless the other team
cheats. The receivers are the fastest in the world, so the only way they aren't
open is if they are being held. It's all part of a big conspiracy to keep the
cougars down. The refs were helping Utah win because they were paid off! Every
throw Max makes is perfect and on target and if the receivers weren't being held
they would have been there to catch the pass. And that personal foul on Max
last year was a phony. They did camera tricks to make it look like he pushed
Krueger after the pass was picked off because of the receivers being held."
Dude. Lay off the kool-aid, throw away that purple 1980's Jazz shirt, stop
wearing socks with sandals and get a grip with reality.
It is like this every year LaVar. BYU fans talk huge in August and by the
second week of September they are pretending like the first two weeks didn't
happen. Last year of course they didn't play a top 50 team until TCU and as
usual (since 1980 it has been the same story with a 39% winning percentage
against teams in the current BCS leagues and an 11% winning percentage against
teams in the top 3 of their BCS conference) they lost their three toughest
games. Oh by the way get used to the hype , Angel is a typical example. He is
probably the same guy that last year was talking about Hall getting the Heisman
nod during September and BYU going not just to the BCS but to the championship
game. I guess the "delusion of perfection" shirts are still out there too. For
Utah they have quietly pursued the pate to become the top non-BCS program in the
land, the envy of all down south. They have already a stronger team this year
than BYU and by mid season perhaps at QB as well. But that is a question today.
I expect the Utes to win, but they will not beat the 20+ point spread. USU
will compete well playing with spirit and growing confidence.Going
into the week's game the Utes will still have 2 QBs that can do the job. The y
on the other hand will have to refigure things out after OU physically and
mentally destroys Max on Saturday.In summary - Thursday will be a
good game for the Utes and Aggies. Saturday's game will be a severe reality
check for the cougars, and OU will have some impressive stats to start their
national title campaign.Go Big Blue!!!
FYI - It should have been 9 interceptions if Utah defenders hadn't dropped 4 in
the first half.Matt Asiata had more passing TD's in last years game
that Maxie did. That is pathetic.
As a cougar fan, this is great news. However the Utes almost always surprise
when there seems to be no rationale for it (aka Alabama).From a
strictly football stance, I would be quite worried if I were a Ute fan though.
There is very little that is more disruptive than not having a clear cut #1 QB.
Everything revolves around the QB, people like to get into rhythms and patterns,
and as soon as that gets changed up with another guy, it gets hard to stay
consistent.Hopefully for Utah they can get this sorted out, and
luckily they start against a team that most area 5A schools could probably beat,
in order to get it worked out.Good luck to all this week, I love
this time of year!
mid-2000's? Don't you mean last year? When Utah beat the pathetic team from
Logan by 7 TOUCHDOWNS.I do think GA will do a nice job in Logan, but
expecting anything different this year than last year will only get your heart
broken more.This game will be over by half.
Those 5 interceptions weren't Max's fault. His receivers were being held and
the refs weren't calling it. This year will be different.
Since it'll be 28-3 for the Utes at the half, we'll be throwing Wynn in the game
to get him some experience with real game speed.
Since when did you last hear a journalist comment that something will cost them
a loss? Don't think so. Things cost wins in sports, not losses.
Actually, after the TCU game BYU fans acted embarrassed. However, it
didn’t take long for them to start running smack prior to the Utah game.
After the game, some gave credit to the Utes, some were very bitter and made
excuses. Same thing after Utah’s Sugar Bowl win. I honestly don’t
know how a lot of them reacted to the Arizona loss. I can say that they have
completely forgotten about these games and are running their mouths as much as
ever.Cats is right. There is quite a bit of immaturity on both
sides. I don’t think anyone minds little jabs here and there, but a lot of
comments are just asinine. Sorry Cats, nothing will change.
Manis #18 will be in the mix soon.
Thats a good one. I have to agree. Max is the best QB the Utes have. He already
know the numbers of all the RED jerseys to throw to.Speaking of RED
jerseys...... What are the teams colors for the cougs first game on Saturday?They should have a hay day against Maxie, He will be seeing RED all day.
BYU will make it respectable. I predict a loss but only by a 10 point
Remember when "Max for Heisman" threw 5 interceptions and fumbled the ball
against the #2 team in the country last year?
Be in question of who the QB is than how will my brand new offensive line with
no experience perform against Oklahoma. Utah will be fine, BYU will choke in
big games and TCU will win the MTN west.
To Lavar the Utah Cat: It is obvious that you haven't been reading comments
until this year because if you had, you'd know just how nasty and hateful so
many Utah fans are. Having said that...there is a lot of immaturity
on both sides. Come on guys. Let's grow up and stop being so childish. Both
teams are great and both schools are great. I went to both schools and even
though I am a loyal Cougar, I don't hate the Utes. Come on. Let's just all
yea I'm sure Utah won't even need to show up for this game, just send the scout
sqaud over.Fact is USU has the best 1-2 punch in the State, Diondre
Borel and Robert Turbin. Remember those names, you'll see them mentioned often
throughout the season. Not saying the Aggies will win this game, in fact I
doubt it. But if you, or anyone else thinks that all the utes have to do is
just show up to this game, and they'll just roll the Aggies, you'll find out
real soon that these are not your mid-2000's Aggies. Welcome to the dawn of a
new decade! Welcome back your Utah State Aggies Football Team!
obviously these two are better then louks, seriously, use your head. If they
werent better louks wouldnt have gotten bumped to defense, then to nevada.ty come again.
In the past I would agree with you. But remember the Utes Defensive Coordinator
went to USU. I think this is the main reason Whitingham is "chicken" about
saying who is the starting QB. That way USU and Andersen will not have a chance
to prepare against them. This is a chicken's way of trying to win a game. You say it will be 66 to 3. Well I have a feeling the score is going to
be closer than that. Will USU win? we shall see. Go Aggies.
You couldn't be more inaccurate, really. Ute fans who pay attention were never
comfortable with the idea of Louks as the QB. He cannot throw consistently.
Cain was penciled in as the starter after watching Louks commit 2 TO's in
Spring. The fact that Wynn has given Cain a ride for his money was
unexpected, but not unwelcome. I expect both to see time Thursday. Cougar fans are now putting words in Ute fans mouths to try and make
themselves feel better about the way these programs are headed. What will you
say next season when the saviour Jake Heaps is battling with Riley Nelson for
the starting QB job? Niether has started a game, sorry but starting for Utah
State does not count!
It's Utah State. The Utes can win without a QB. Sit them both out and name a QB
next week.Utah 66USU 3
Remember at the end of last season when all the Ute fans were touting Mr. Louks
as the next "Cougar Killer" quarterback that was going to wreak havoc on the
hapless BYU defense? Remember just a few weeks ago when all the Ute
fans were posting about how great Louks was? Now, the Ute faithful are hoping
that one of the "never before started a single college football game" newbies
will be the second coming of Steve Young. In your dreams.
As this is the first year I have entered comments here, I have questions: Do
the BYU fans shut up after their first loss? Or, does the nonsense continue
into the season? Did the BYU fans cease last year after the TCU game? Or the
Utah game? Or the Arizona win in the LV Bowl? To continually display
such base attitudes and motives is really disappointing for those who should be
on a quest for perfection. . .
"It's not like some top-secret deal," Whittingham said. "Let the guys focus,
prepare and do their thing on Thursday night with as little distractions as
possible."It's pretty obvious that whittingham is scared stupid over
this first game of the season against USU. Otherwise he would have said who the
starting QB is 2 or 3 weeks ago. Chicken!!
Suffice it to say that on good authority, Mr. Cain will start the game, however,
expect to see the young Freshman see substantial action. The bottom line from
my source is that both QBs have exceeded expectations, not the other way around
as many naysayers have speculated.
This is soooooo funny. Utah can't even find a QB and we have the best one in
the country! I'll be Utah is envious of Max H. "H" is for Heisman!!!!!
be a nightmare of a season beginning with the Aggie rout of the uties.
We hope if Wynn is the guy which I know he will be, I hope he does great!!! He
is a fine young man that is very humble and obviously a great QB and not to
mention a great athlete!!! Wynn your a good kid and keep giving Cain a run for
his money!!! I will be there Thursday night and rooting for both of you
Whatever it takes to make Cougar fans feel better. I have a feeling the same
argument will be made next year with Mr. Heaps and Riley Nelson.Just
curious. What happens when Utah with a new QB still has a better season than
BYU with a senior QB? That is really going to destroy Cougar fans!Jim Rome
They don't have a "starter" that is why they can't name a starter. There is
trouble on the Hill and its going to cost them 5 losses.DJ & PK
I agree and we wish Terrence well... He is a fine young man and very humble and
has a great attitude... I will be rooting for both of you on 9-3....
We hope if Terrence is the guy which I know he will be, I hope he does great!!!
He is a fine young man that is very humble and obviously a great QB and not to
mention a great athlete!!! Terrence your a good kid and keep giving Jordan a run
for his money!!! I will be there Thursday night and rooting for both of you!!!
Cain will be the starter