If you look at the totality of taxes paid, not just the income tax, you find
that the super wealthy pay about the same percentage of their income in taxes as
the middle class. They pay a higher percentage of their income in income taxes,
we pay a higher percentage of ours in payroll taxes, property taxes, and most
state taxes, including sales and consumption taxes. Warren Buffet, the world's
wealthiest man, pays a lower share of his income in taxes than his secretay
"Some 40% of the population pays NO taxes at all." You have tunnel vision.
NONSENSE. You are stuck on INCOME TAX ONLY. There are other taxes besides
income tax. My 1040 FORMS & INSTRUCTIONS for 2008 on page 91 gives the "Major
Categories of Federal Income and Outlays for Fiscal Year 2007. Personal income taxes 43 %. Social Security, Medicare, and
Unemployment and other retirement taxes 32 %. Corporate income
taxes 13 % Excise, customs, estate, gift, and misc taxes 6 % Borrowing to cover deficit 6 %. Everyone who works pays
social security taxes EXCEPT those in the cash underground economy. People who
are self employed pay both halves of that tax. Corporations pass on their taxes
to the consummer. It is almost impossible to buy American, so the average guy
pays customs taxes. Yes MANY, MANY people pay no income tax. But just about
everyone pays many of the other federal taxes.
It's thievery when a majority involuntarily and forcibly takes money from a
minority. And we're nearly there.25% of the population pays 86% of
the Nation's taxes. Those above median income pay 97% of the Nation's taxes,
leaving those below the median [$50,233] to pay a mere 3% of the Nation's
taxes.Some 40% of the population pays NO taxes at all.As
the Obama administration raises that non-taxed number, part of it's class envy
justification scheme, at some point we'll reach a tyranny of the non-taxpayers.
They won't worry if taxes on "the rich" become burdensome and confiscatory,
since it doesn't affect them.That's called killing the golden goose.
And we're nearly there.Inevitable result? Insurrection. Third
world status. Destruction of the Nation.So why are you Dems pushing
You got your facts all wrong! Don't believe me? Call the IRS and ask them who
really pays all the taxes in this country. They will confirm that 85% of the
taxes are paid by the top 5% of the economic scale.
Eight years of what history has already labeled the worse presidency in our
nation's history and all the conservatives can do is cry, moan and complain.
Get a life and quit listening to Fox News!
So the rich so pay NO taxes? Or should they pay some? Where's the line between
fair taxes and the "robbery" that conservatives are crying here? The tax rate
for the richest Americans under Bush II was 36%. Under Obama it will probably
near 40%So where does it turn into "robbery"? At precisely 38%?
And pray tell how did you arrive at that magic number?
Being forced to work for someone else against my will= slavery, alive and well
in America! I owe you lazy, irresponsible, welfare suckers nothing!!! You owe
the rest of us for your free entitlement ride! No wonder our economy is in
"Authorizing the government to take my property is still theft no matter the
intentions."Okay. I agree. I want the money you stole from me back.
Pay for your own roads, your own water, your own waste removal, your own police
and fire service and any other thing that benefits your family since I don't
give a damn if your family has to wallow in its own feces because it can't
afford to remove the waste that comes out of it after it eats food that it
couldn't have if it wasn't for roads that I pay for.Let me be very
clear. Nothing that you use benefits me. When you call the cops to protect your
retarded children it doesn't benefit me. In fact, it ensures that they will grow
up to cast votes that harm my family so it would actually benefit my family if
your retarded children died because your house is on fire and no one is there to
protect you or them.When you call 9-1-1 I want to hear the words "do
you have fire insurance" and if you answer no then you can just die
To: RE: Anonymous"And LIBERALS believe they can take what they want
from who they want by the FORCE and POWER government, for whatever program they
want."And CONSERVATIVES believe that they can take what they want
from whomever they want by the FORCE and POWER of government and for whatever
program or service that will benefit their families while complaining about any
program or service which doesn't directly benefit their family because our money
must be used for whatever they want but their money can't be used for something
that might save my child's life. I must pay taxes for police to
protect their little brats so they can grow up to be evil voters like their
parents but if my child needs health insurance their money is off limits and my
child can just die but I must pay to keep their brats alive."You can
call it taxes if you want, but it still taking my money from me by bully
behavior."Everyone could afford health insurance if they didn't have
to pay for police to protect your retarded children and make sure they grow up
to be moron voters like their parents
RE:Mark B"If my taxes go to meet the costs of war, have I been
stolen from then, or does it only count as thievery if someone's being fed,
housed, clothed or healed? I'd like less war, please, and more of the other
stuff."I sure as hell didn't want to pay for the Iraq war since it
was an immoral and evil war of aggression which was started by a megalomaniac.
My brother who fought in Iraq sure as hell didn't want to fight in Iraq since he
had joined the military to defend his country after 9-11 and to bring those
responsible to justice but instead Bush and those who voted for him betrayed our
family.They have no problem taxing us for things that they want but
they shout and scream about how unfair it is to use their MONEY for making sure
that everyone is fed, housed, clothed and healed but they don't have any problem
using our money to make sure that they have roads, police protection or the
ability to conduct an immoral war based on their immoral ideology.How about a refund including those killed?
Shakespeare said something like this: "He who steals my purse steals trash...".
Well that trash can be used to heal the flesh of human beings. Guns can only
be used to smash holes through the flesh of human beings or at least to
intimidate other humans. Trash needs to be recycled properly.
And LIBERALS believe they can take what they want from who they want by the
FORCE and POWER government, for whatever program they want.You can
call it taxes if you want, but it still taking my money from me by bully
behavior.A shakedown is a shakedown.Authorizing the
government to take my property is still theft no matter the intentions.
It is already the case that families earning up to $37K+ don't pay a cent in
income taxes. That's pretty close to the median income in this country
[$50,233]. How high do you want to take that non-taxed number?When most of the people in the country are unaffected by taxes, leaving
the minority taxpayers to the whim of an out-of-control Congress and Executive
-- to pay ALL the Nation's taxes -- that's not charity, brother, that's
soak-the-rich robbery. And it'a also condemned in scripture. Look
While he taxes us to piecesAnd he robs us of our breadKing Richard's
crown keeps slippin' downAround that pointed headAh! But while there
is a merry manin Robin's wily packWe'll find a way to make him
payAnd steal our money backSong lyrics from Walt Disney's
"Robin Hood"That's right - DISNEY!
Conservatives believe in ilk such as Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh.And
that is why mainstream America (the real America) has shunned the Right like the
plague and will continue to do so in the coming years.
To Clarification & @clarification: Yes, smaller words please. Eschew your
customary obfuscatory prolixity and sesquipedalism when conversing with us
simple minded liberals. Your orgulous grandiloquence and erudition is simply
If my taxes go to meet the costs of war, have I been stolen from then, or does
it only count as thievery if someone's being fed, housed, clothed or healed? I'd
like less war, please, and more of the other stuff.
To "too many little guys | 12:40 p.m." and what has changed with the Obama
administration, the most liberal administration in history. Lets see, their
proposals get little money to the poor, while bailing out the rich bankers and
car manufacturers. Obama is shipping money to the environmentalists and
companies that make wind turbines like GE. Obama is sending money to big
business while saying he supports the little businesses.What has
changed with Obama? Bush expanded government at an unprecidented rate, and now
Obama is doing the same thing only bigger. Bush wasted money on bailouts, Obama
is wasting even more money on bailouts. For the past 2 1/2 years the Democrats
have controlled congress, and continue to fund Iraq. Other than the person and
the rate of spending, what has changed?Also, you should look up what
conservatives believe in, because the conservatives yelled at Bush as much as
they are now yelling at Obama.
Everything is for profit to the conservatives:Medical care, prisons, war
...Profit is their "one, true god."
That is only for the other rich men, not conservatives.
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man
to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."Why is that?
Were talking with leftwing nuts here, smaller words may be required!
The last 8 years saw a monstrous conservative administration taking the money
and running with it while the rest of the country was left to "eat cake."Now drastic measures must be taken to even the playing field.Way more
little guys than filthy rich.
The govenment should not be stealing from the rich to give to the poor. That is
harmful to the rich even if it benefits the poor. The "General Welfare" clause
includes the rich as well as the poor. If a government action doesn't benefit
both the rich as well as the poor, the government should not be doing it.
There seems to be a widespread misunderstanding that if a group of people get
together, that it is then ok to steal. Government derives its power from the
people it governs. If the people don't have the power steal to begin with, the
people can not delegate that power to the governement. Example: I,
and my neighbors have the right to protect our property. We can rightfully get
together and hire a private security guard or even delegate this right to the
government to protect us with Police. My neighbors and I do not
have the right to take money from the mansion on the hill and spread it around
on the other side of the tracks. Since we dont' have the right, we can not hire
a robber to do it for us, nor can we delegate that power to the governement
because we don't have the power to begin with. Do I need to use
Giving tax breaks to the rich, doing away with anti-trust laws, incentivizing
companies to do business overseas ...You can thank your conservative
Cheney/Bush administration for the theft.
People on welfare like GM & the banks. I think we definately need to light a
fire under them. Burn baby burn.Typical rich, once they have to pay
their way they complain the loudest.
Liberals view taxes as paying their fair share.Conservatives view taxes as
stealing from them - as money is God to these stingy types.
patsy, who was stolen from to pay for your education?
...the things which are Ceasars, and render unto God the things which are
God's."Taxation, in other words, is not theft. The taxes you
pay is money that YOU owe to the government. As such, it is the government's
money, not yours. Refusing to pay your taxes is the real theft. Because the tax money YOU owe is the government's money, they have every right
to ask for it when they need it. If you truly believe the teachings of Christ,
you'll pay your taxes. Read the scriptures a little more carefully before you go
Yet I'm sure you have no problem stealing from me to educate your kids. Only
diference is you can see the benifit from that.
Matt Brown, your greed will forever prevent you from knowing and understanding
the teachings of Jesus and true Christians. You should use your God given brain
to think about the reasons people give to charity. You might find that there
are other reasons that people give to charity. Force can be as simple as the
promise of your church, opinions of your fellows, and even the greed of a tax
deduction. The reasons that our government might want your
contribution might be just as good as if your church ask you to give. If
someone needs your help does it matter who asks you to give it.The
way I understand the gun thing is, you have exactly the same right, opportunity
and ability to have a gun that your neighbor has. And if there was a situation
where you had to have a gun and had no way to get it, the government would
probably give you one. Along with a uniform.
Yet another lamentation for the oppressed upper class.Taxes have
been going down for the richest Americans on the whole for 30 years. Tax cuts
for the wealthy constituted huge portions of both Reagan's and Bush's deficit
spending.The rich reap more benefit from the things taxes make
possible: an educated workforce, roads and bridges to ship goods on, police and
fire to protect their (larger) assets. Of course they should pay higher
taxes.In the last 30 years worker productivity has increased
dramatically, producing incredible wealth. But wages have stayed flat. That
means the wealth created by average Americans was enjoyed in wild disproportion
by the wealthy.Enough whining about the trials and tribulations of
We need to realize that just throwing money at poverty doesn't work. You have
to require an attempt to change the status of the people requiring such help.
Remember - if you build a man a fire, he is warm for a nigh. If you
light a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.We need to
light a fire under people who are on welfare.
Are you kidding me, Matt? Taxation is not stealing, Christ acknowledged the
right of the state to tax. And if someone steals from you, Christ taught to
give even more, in part because he recognized that the thief likely had a need.
As a society, it is perfectly logical and appropriate for the state to implement
the huge task of helping care for all our citizens. Matt, do you have health
care? Maybe through your employer, who subsidizes it or even provides it for
free? What if you didn't have it? What if you were in need? Would you welcome
the kindness of others, including society? I would hope your heart would be
filled with love and charity, not accusing those without of stealing from you
when our society decides to help those in need. I would hope you are not driven
Taxes are not the same as theft.
To Charity 12:58 am:Great letter. True right down to the last
period. Now, why can't we get people to understand that? Because we have, as
you said, created the problem and what we are planning now is only going to
perpetuate it. Keep those thoughtful comments coming, we need clear thinking
people to come on here and say right things.
But taxation isn't theft, it's more like rendering unto caesar. Your neighbour
isn't stealing from you when you for collective fire or police or military
protection, nor for health care.
So matt do you hold this same clear disdain for the rich that have their $40,000
plus a year per person Cadillac plans subsidized by your taxes or do you reserve
this venom for only the poor? stop subsidizing the rich before you take on
killing the poor and I might take you more serious.
But it makes ZERO sense.
Welfare entitlements do not solve poverty, they increase it. In the last 50
years the government has spent some 40 trillion dollars on welfare entitlements
and we have an ever increasing welfare class of people in America. Self
reliance, self control, hard work, personal responsibility and better personal
choices are the only things that lift people out of poverty, not welfare checks!
Americans are the most generous people on the planet and charity isn't our
problem. The problem is we try to fix the symptoms not the disease! According to
studies done, single mothers are the largest class of people in America who live
below the poverty line. Want to solve poverty? Live the law of chastity and the
word of wisdom is an excellent start!