Oh and the Dallas guy who commented a few days ago... "I use to value Millsaps
toughness, but between his agent reps and the signed Blazers contract... I'm not
a big fan anymore. He has a lot to prove and I don't think he can do it." Are
you serious? Your gonna take a couple hundred thousand to play for the Jazz
instead of 8 million a year for the Blazers? That was the dumbest statemtent I
have ever heard!!! Grow up and quit talking sports
Wow you guys are complaining about giving a non proven player 10 million dollars
a year.. pretty sure when we decided to give Boozer a Woppin 13 mill a year.. he
averaged 15 and 10 the year before... uh... Millsap averaged 14 and 9 last year
guys.. and for 10 mill the first year.. which is actually gonna turn out to be
8 mill a year.. Do your research before you make stupid comments
Oh yeah, Millsap is JUST like Odom...Only much shorter, with a LOT
less range, and can't stay on the floor for 36 minutes, due to to an egregious
foul rate, like Lamar did 5 years ago.Not a fair comparison to
either one of em.Millsap relies on his hustle and hard work to get
it done, while Odom was blessed with a game that comes to him more easily.
Pastor88...Odom's ave numbers for last year are: 12.3 pts, 9.1 rebs,
1.6 assistsMillsap's numbers are 11.8 pts, 8.0 rebs, 1.6 assists.Hardly worth another 2 million for an extra .5 pts, 1.1 rebs! And I
didn't check the per minute stats but I'm sure it's gotta be similar. Odom is
pretty equal to Millsap. Just 5 years older!
Shaybo...Boozer doesn't want to play here anymore!! He asked to be
traded!! The other alternative to "getting rid of an all-star for nothing to
keep his backup at an inflated price" is to let him leave as a free agent for
LITERALLY nothing. So you either pay a bunch of luxury tax money to keep a
player for ONE more year, even though he doesn't want to be here.... OR .... you
trade him to get out of the luxury tax mess and get something in return. I
understand Haslem, Tyrus Thomas, and other offers we've heard aren't equal
value. But like I said... it's that or NOTHING at all. You tell me what makes
Many still want to believe millys contract is fair.I still want Santa to
bring me a new Hummer with a redhead. But believing in that and the contract is
just ridiculous.Many better players were and still are available for less
money. Most with better season long averages. Ariza, Artest and Odom are all
superior. granted Odom wants 10 mil, but for 2 mil extra look at the difference
in offensive and defensive abilities. Ariza and Artest both signed for less
money, didn't they? What about birdman 5 mil per year and great defense, as well
as some offense?KOC simply got caught sleeping with his pants
down.Has KOC given us any real players since coming to Utah? What
are his percentages? Maybe his pay should be based on performance
I remamber quite a winning streak last year we had just before the allstar break
and after with Milsap and how the Jazz fell apart when Boozer came back, Boozer
killed the chemistry,Boozer plays defense like a 9 year old girl, I'd take
Milsap anyday over Boozer, at least milsap plays hard and with alot of heart
somthing the Jazz seem to Be lacking, If he can get the other players to match
his intensity the jazz will be just fine, ronnie price was a great signing too
remember him in the last game against the Lakers? energy and heart. give me
players like that and not the premaddonas we see haow boozer was right? Milsap
was an excellent sign he is more than just a player he will be a beast, just you
And the Jazz management CONTINUE to over PAY and OVER value, the talent on
their team,and CONTINUE to give BIG CONTRACTS to role players,
supporting players, complementary players at best,leaving them no
money and dependent on late first round draft choices,to fill
critical spots,when they need the money for a star 2 guard
who can shoot and handle the ball and make things happen,or a true
dominant big man that is tall, long, and can play defense.that and
lack of a system that actually USES the talents needed to win a championship,it's no wonder they have NEVER won a championship.
re: STEVE-OI may be dumb but read my lips: Millsaps contract is the
one that put us way over the Luxury tax Period. I'm glad your math is so good
that the blame goes to the guys making 1 to 2 million per year yes this is all
the fault of Fez, Price and Kuofus. Thanks for clearing that up. I'm sorry but your idea of getting rid of an all-star for nothing to keep his
backup at an inflated price doesn't set right with me.
We should know what should be changed by the middle of the season. I just hope
the Jazz have some flex at that point and can get what they need.So
far CJ is okay as a back up. However, his play last year was not good enough as
a starter. He played good D sometimes. He shot well sometimes. He had flashes.
He needs a break out year. Millsap changes the dynamics of the Sloan
system. More points have to come from the SG/SF. Harp and his
toughness is gone. Korver is not going to change much. Brewer is not likely to
turn into Kobe. AK may have to back up or even play PF if Okur or Millsap get
hurt. CJ has to have a break out year. Or the Jazz need to get a
real good SG/SF.Koufos needs dramatic improvement. He will be the
back up PF/C unless the Jazz get a PF/C. I think he can back up Okur. The Jazz
need a decent back PF. Koufos and Thomas's Eff40 and WP40s are very
similar. The Jazz lack depth, a go to shooter, defense and outside
@ Miles...I agree with your assessment of Blair. He's playing cream
puffs right now. Our boy Maynor (drafted well ahead of Blair) didn't throw up
those numbers though. And he's playing the same crappy competition. I do
think San Antonio has a nack for drafting good players though. I guess time
will tell us if Blair will hold up or not?And I didn't ever say the
Jazz would be much improved from last year. I simply said they will be fine.
I just don't go along with the people who act like the sky is falling
because the Jazz still have some pretty decent players. We just gotta figure
out how to dump CJ!!! 4 Million for 15 minutes a game and 3-10 shooting is not
looks like it's time for Millsap to really show us what he is all about, this
coming season. Time to raise the bar Millsap.
KEEPING MILSAP OVER BOOZER IS THE LESSER OF THE 2 EVILS...I THINK JAZZ FANS
WANTED PAUL TO PLAY BUT I DOUBT ALOT OF THEM THOUGHT AND OR THINK HE WAS / IS
THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM. HE HAS LIMITED OFFENSIVE SKILLS AND SAYING HE'S
BETTER THAN BOOZER DEFENSIVELY IS NOT SAYING MUCH...AND HE'S SMALL...THE JAZZ
GOT DESTROYED BY THE LAKERS SIZE....AND BY THE WAY I DIDN'T SEE ALL
THE NBA TEAMS KNOCKING DOWN MILSAP'S DOOR AND THROWING CONTRACTS OFFERS AT
HIM...HE'S A SECOND ROUNDER THAT TURNED OUT TO BE MUCH BETTER THAN
ANTICIPATED...BUT LETS NOT GET CARRIED AWAY...AND TO WYOMING...DON'T
COMPARE MILSAP TO MALONE STOCKTON....THEY GOT US TO BACK TO BACK FINALS...ONLY
THE GREAT JORDAN STOPPED THEM FROM BEING CHAMPIONS SO DON'T BE REDICULOUS....I THINK YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE POINT ... PEOPLE LIKE MILSAP...BUT I
JUST DON'T SEE HIM BEING THE FORCE THEY NEED...
Millsap is replacing Boozer. Koufos is replacing Millsap and Fez is replacing
Collins. On balance that may not be as bad as it could be. A lot
depends on how well Koufos plays. Losing Collins is a slight positive. I figure the Jazz need an extra 5 to 7 points from the SG/SF position to
replace reduced points from the PF. However, Okur and the C position may provide
a couple of those extra points. A good PF replacement would give
Koufos more time at C. He plays that better than PF.Renting Gooden
for a year may be a good move. Getting any decent young PF would
help in case of injuries. There are always injuries. The Jazz can be
a playoff team like last year. I am not sure where they get someone better than
Boozer for PF in the long run. Lee looks like a good candidate but the draft may
be the answer.
@Steve-O: I went to the summer league games in Vegas. The players are horrible
outside of Blake. Blair getting a bunch of rebounds is not surprising. The
problem with Blair is will he hold up?CJ is looking pretty cheap
right now!!It is not that the Jazz fans don't like Millsap. It's
just that by keeping him, we are a bottom team in the playoffs. Should have let
him walk and Boozer walk and spent the money elsewhere.Price is not
a PG.Maynor will be useless next year.Boozer will be
traded for nothing in return expect expensive contracts.Sorry I am
failing to see how we are better. I guess CJ will have to carry the team next
Millsap was a "restricted" free agent which means that he is free to sign any
contract he wants (free agent) but the Jazz have the right to match (restricted)
any offer that he signs. It's similar to the "player option" that
Boozer exercised when he "opted in". It didn't matter that the Jazz don't want
him because it was his option. In this case, after Millsap signed, it's the Jazz
option. So it doesn't matter what Millsap wants at this point. If the Jazz match
the offer, they have him.
family. He needs the extra coin. Millsap will be a good player. He
has limitations that will prevent the Jazz from beating LA, and SA. He will do
well against lesser teams. The problem is that Jazz management,
Sloan, KOC and whoever else makes the player decisions will not fix the bad
defense, the road losses and the back to back problems. They insist on claiming
it is good enough and one more year of the same will be magic pixie dust. How many years have the Jazz Fan's drunk the continuity kool aid? The Jazz are now weaker at PF. Boozer was not good enough and Millsap is
weaker. I don't care about the lux tax at this point. You have to
spend if you want a ring. The Jazz need to upgrade another position
to offset the loss of Boozer. Millsap can rebound and Koufos will get some time.
But the points have to be replaced. Price will lose games as the
back up PG. That is continuity over quality. Will CJ become magic?
Korver? Brewer? AK?Where is the Boozer scoring coming from? the team
defense? Depth on the road? Back to back?Continuity.
Did Millsap agree to stay with the Jazz? From what his "agents" said - he's
rather be in Portland anyway and I get all of the Jazz matched thing - but does
that also mean Paul said yes?
Milsap can't "support his family" on $750K a year?!! Gimme a break. I could
support, like, 5 -7 families on that!Brandon
Malik Rose never got 19 double-doubles in a row. Malike Rose also had ZERO
offense. Don't compare Millsap to a clown.
This contract will be a regretfull by the Jazz. Millsap is not a starter, he is
a back up like Malik Rose. Additionally, it looks like he wanted to REALLY
play in Portland and not in Utah. Now that he is forced to remain in Utah, watch
for a drop in performance. Jerry Sloan is ruining this franchise. This guy
is a scrub's coach and will never win a championship with his retrograde
philosophy and coaching. First round elimination is around the corner, see
you in a fishing trip with Barkley, Kenny the Jet Smith and Ernie in April 2010
I just want to say that Dejuan Blair got 20 pts & 15 Rebounds for San Antonio in
the summer league last night!!! We got Eric Maynor. Last I checked he didn't
play all that well in our summer league. I think the Jazz passing on Blair will
be a mistake similar to taking Curtis Borchart over Carlos Boozer a few years
back. Sad for the Jazz!
above. Millsap's contract is irritating. The Jazz got Punked by POR. Millsap is a "good" player. With good management he could have cost 1-2
million less. The complaining about both Boozer and Millsap is about
the Jazz management. They refuse to be aggressive. They refuse to control their
own destiny. They are passive and get acted upon, while they pretend
all is well. They are consistent also rans by their own choosing. Then they come
up with some lame excuse like "small market" or injuries. Those are problems
winners work around and plan for. Winners preempt problems or at least fix them
quickly. It is obvious to some of us that Jazz management is similar
to GM management. They continue to do the same mistakes over and over while
telling themselves what great managers they are. The Jazz are weaker
and cost more than last year. Is that better? The NBA is changing rapidly. That
creates opportunities. Expiring contracts are great opportunities. What will the
Jazz do? Get weaker and cost more in the name of continuity. All the while
congratulating themselves on what great managers they are. 1/2 of the fans will
drink the delusion.
People that say: "Millsap is really costing the Jazz $42 million because of the
luxury tax".... are dumb. Millsap's contract is not the only reason the Jazz
are in the tax. Williams has a new deal, Ak costs a pretty penny, and even the
players only making 1-2 million are part of the luxury tax issue. So give it a
rest. Plus the Jazz are gonna get rid of Boozer and/or other players to
reduce the tax they pay.
I know Harpring talked about the possibility of retirement. I'd be willing to
bet he'll be back for next season and THEN hang it up. Everybody just took what
he said and ran with it big time.
Bottomline - D-Will and Sloan wanted Paul back so Paul is Back. And Millsap
will continue to improve and improve. Now get Rip Hamilton to offset the loss
in scoring!!! Booz and Harp offset the salary and help us with the cap problems
[email protected]: You expect the Blazers to make a trade for Boozer now? I'm
not sure if you are ignorant or just confused. The Blazers already have
LaMarcus Aldridge as a starting power forward. They are not interested in
Carlos Boozer, who would need to be a starter. Neither of those guys can start
at the 3 or the 5. Portland wanted Millsap as a backup to Aldridge
and a guy who can play a little at the 3 and 4, not as a starter. If you meant that the Blazers would try to take advantage of a three way trade
involving Boozer to bring a small forward or point guard to Portland, then yes,
that's a possibility. But the Blazers are not in the Boozer market.
I think about the Jazz roster and they will be just fine.PG: Deron
Williams, Ronnie Price, Eric MaynorSG: Ronnie Brewer, Kyle KorverSF:
AK, CJ Miles, Harpring (maybe)PF: Paul Millsap, ????? (maybe Boozer
still)C: Memo Okur, Kosta Koufus, FezThe Jazz are certainly
not as deep that's for sure. This will force players to get some time though.
We'll see once and for all if Fez or Koufus have what it takes. Maybe we'll get
a bird-man-like performance out of Koufus. Last year he didn't get a legit
shot... and this year Sloan will be forced to at least try it out. I'm excited
to see what this team can do. The starting line-up will be just as good as any
team. The bench play will probably determine how for they can go.
Thank you. Very well said!
This is a GOOD thing. Why must certain Jazz fans complain about everything? He
is worth the money. Let him prove himself at least before you judge him. I am
really surprised that Kevin O'Conner did this, but I was hoping it would happen.
I am excited to laugh in all the haters faces when he gets even more than 19
straight double double's WITHOUT being injured 1/3 of the time.Welcome
Why don't you Utah fans find a reason to complain about everything? You just
can't be satisfied can you. You say "No were never gonna win a championship
with Milsap!" But we never won a championship with Malone and Stockton. Why
don't you hate and complain about them? I don't get it? You think Milsap is a
waste of money but give me ONE SINGLE PLAYER who we could sign for that kind of
money? Especially one of Milsaps caliber. You forget Milsaps numbers dropped
from having what 19 straight double doubles, playing well and getting benched
for Boozer. How is he not worth that money? Are the days of Malone and Boozer
so stuck in your head that you feel we need an All-Star PF to be good? No we
still have Deron,(UNTIL YOU COMPLAINING FANS SCARE HIM OFF), Brewer, AK, Okur,
Korver, Harp.(who you fans want gone for some reason). This is the same team
that won 12 straight. Give this team a chance. Grow up and stop complaining
about every single thing KOC does. If you don't like it, go root for someone
else. Easy as that.
You are so right. I can't believe how fast these pansies spin on a dime. Paul's
not championship material? Anybody ever consider how he is still improving and
will do so for at least three more years? His upper end potential is 21 and 12.
That's better than Boozer ever did and he is a better defender. You people need
to smoke less crack. GOOD JOB JAZZ!! GOOD JOB MILLY ON WORKING HARD AND MAKING
I can't believe all the nonsense I'm reading here! For so long it seems like the
majority of fans (myself included) have always preferred Millsap over Loozer
(cough...I mean Boozer) and have begged for the front office to keep Paul and
trade Carlos. Now that this seems to likely be happening soon, you blast Millsap
and the front office? SHAME ON YOU!! You people are worse than the
bandwaggoning, botox injected Laker fans in so-cal.
POR counted on Utah matching Millsap's offer. They really did not need Millsap.
They need a PG and they know they can get exactly who they want by being
patient. They also knew they could get Utah to pay extra for
Millsap. So why not? However, the real pay off for them comes in the
next 4 years. They know that Utah is so predictable that after Utah pays the
sunk bonus costs that Utah will insist on starting Millsap for 4 years. They
have limited a rival by using the predictable personality weakness of the
rival.This is a priceless move by POR. Utah can be GAMED into
constant mediocrity. It cost POR nothing to insure that they are seeded above
Utah for 4 years. How does it feel to be had? Utah is only a loser
because they insist on doing things that lose. Then they delude themselves into
doing again and again claiming that next year will be better.Without
Boozer and without making upgrades in talent the Jazz are weaker and will stay
weaker. They will continue to cost more. Brewer will need more money. Korver
will get resigned. Who will mug them next?
Glad I'm being educated. So these days the starting 5 try to not get too far
behind and the bench comes in and wins games for you? Is that how LA, Boston and
Cleavland do it? Must be.
Players know if they do not produce at SA they will be gone in a year or less.
They do their best. SA has a winning culture. Utah is a rest home
for Vets. The management is soft. All you have to do is work and not tick off
Sloan. You don't have to play defense. You just have to put in your time and
make the playoffs. As one writer at the Trib said, Millsap now has "tenure".
Utah does not have a winning culture, they have a working culture. It is a job
not a mission. Utah is a loser and always will be a loser until the
management philosophies are changed. Duncan will go but the philosophies will
stay. SA will rise again after Duncan. They will find a way to beat Utah. Utah is so predictable in every thing that they do that other teams can
GAME much of their on court and management behavior. POR knew they could "force"
Utah to pay. I am sure they enjoyed the game. Like Microsoft messing with a
rival.Utah is acted upon. Other teams act and create their future.
Opportunity knocks, Utah runs away.
RE: Too Bad!!YOU HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD...THE JAZZ HAVE NOW
STRAPPED THEMSELVES FOR YEARS AND GUARANTEED MEDIOCRE SEASONS. 6 - 8 SEED IN THE
WEST AT BEST...THE JAZZ SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THEIR LUMPS THIS YEAR AND
RESTOCK NEXT SUMMER...NY'S PICK AND THEIR OWN..PLUS FREE AGENTS...WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE GOT A GREAT PLAYER.....IT WAS WHEN WE HAD A BAD
SEASON AND THEN GOT DWILL IN THE DRAFT.
No way millsap is worth this kind of money we should have just let Portland take
him. We better get someone good for Booz.
LA has consistently out spent the Jazz. SA has consistently out managed the
Jazz. Those are the two arch rivals. The Jazz can wait for the curse
of Artest to implode LA. Everywhere he goes the team blow up (often it is not
his fault). SA is a different matter. The problem lies with Utah.
They are not proactive. They are slow and reactive to both changes in the
environment and competitor moves. They are a sitting duck.They knew
there were going to lose Boozer and have to pay Millsap. They could and should
have moved up in the second round for cheap insurance and got Blair. He is
better than Millsap. Even if he gets hurt his presence on the roster would have
brought the price of Millsap down. SA only pays the max for Duncan.
It takes a whole team to win. However, SA gets great role players for cheap. SA
is not a better NBA city than SL both are small market. However, their
management philosophies are very different. They consistently change for the
better. If it is not working it gets changed.Players want to go to
SA because they are a winner.
Ben Wallace has never contributed much to anybody after leaving the Pistons but
he was huge in Detroit because he worked so hard and won "fan favorite" status.
He is not much bigger than Millsap, had much worse offense, and played center--
not power forward. Despite popular belief, heart does matter in
would the Jazz consider doing anything with Portland. Do you want to make a
division rival better? I would say, whatever Jazz get for Boozer, don't let
Portland get anything in the deal.
The net production numbers are deceptive. The Jazz defensive problems start with
Boozer. Not only can he not defend anyone, he actually sets screens on DWill on
every pick and roll, creating open shots for the other point guard. Boozer's
cluelessness on defense often results in someone else's man scoring, not
necessarily his own.AK is definitely overpaid. Koufus will be a nice
surprise. Good shooting touch and a decent defender. Millsap will earn his
salary. Brewer keeps improving. Price will win games on hustle. It's infectious.
Knight was ineffective. Jazz will be about a #7 team this year, unless injuries
take a few teams out of contention.You fans who want a blockbuster
trade for Boozer will be disappointed. Not going to happen. Just be glad if we
can get rid of the Mercenary and his bloated salary.
Boozer, meanwhile, decided not to opt out this season, wanting to collect the
money he could in a limited buyer's market, supposedly in pursuit of the big
money available next year in the Free Agency Summer of Doom 2010. But Boozer
isn't even in the top two tiers of next year's class, and after his history of
injuries, his lack of physical play, and the ugliness surrounding his situation
in Utah, you have to wonder who's going to come calling the Jazz as quoted from
Now, just think about this:Make Milsap the starter and Booz the
back-up.Do this and the starting five can hold up to just about anyone,
but we make our runs when the bench comes in.If you bring Boozer of the
bench with AK, no one can beat that second team from the bench. This is where
leads are built and games are won these days.
I don't know why people are still happy with this news? So what we decide to
sign Millsap? we had him last year and we still didn't go nowhere in the
playoffs? we have the same squad from last year, but are now paying more money
for them LOL we still need a trade regardless if it was for boozer or Millsap?
either must go
The Millsap signing hurts utah because the Jazz will predictably "sing" the
devious "continuity" lie. Sloan will insist on starting Millsap for 4 years. He
will get better but never get great enough to win a championship without major
moves at other positions. The Jazz will "refuse" as usual to go get
the talent at PF or other positions to get a championship. With the player
salaries dropping the Jazz are fully capable of getting the talent. It is not a
money issue. It is the lie of "continuity" that will hold the Jazz back. Since the Jazz home revenues hold up well, they do not act like a small
market team financially. In a cheap labor market they can compete better than
other small market teams.If the Jazz would seize the right deal for
the right PF, and get the defenders and outside shooters to put flexibility into
the offense, over 2 years there would be hope. Instead, what they
will do is make as few changes as possible.The problem is the Sloan
Philosophies. They make the playoffs but prevent going deep. Sloan is so
predictable teams can GAME his rotations and player salaries (POR).
is not an albatross unless the Jazz act like they usually do. That is the
problem. Sloan is running the team and the corporate philosophy is so
predictable POR and just about everyone else in the world can take advantage of
the predictability. The Jazz can get under the Lux tax with Boozer
and Harp and still spend about 7 mill on new players. The Millsap contract hurts
very little if they do that. They have the "investment" of the bonus, but the
bonus is pro rated over the life of the contract or cap purposes. It has little
effect on cap. I doubt if they can get a contender this year by
spending 7 million on players. However, with some astute management they may be
able to revamp the team in the this year and next. Brewer will need
to be signed in the future. Korver wants to resign. The Jazz need the PF of the
future. They need a SG/SF who can shoot and defend. They need to get better
defense. They can use the 7 mill and the Korver contract to rework
this year. Or they can get young promising cheap players and keep trying.
Actually, signing Rip saves the Jazz 2.8 million dollars, not 1.4, because the
money is doubled in luxury tax savings. I don't think Detroit is a willing
Millsap contract will look really sweet in 2 years so we need to bite the
bullet for now.Need to trade Boozer to a team that lacks offense.
Houston fits that bill. They have lost 3 significant offensive weapons.Our team needs to shore up the Brewer situation. He cannot shoot
outside the key. Our shooting coach (Hornacek) has been an abysmal failure.
Korver is also really weak in pressure situations.These few trades
can make our team much more of a contender.
Millsap's rep is a terd! He just sounds like he's a drama queen. Utah played
this the smart way like any other team would have...you don't just throw money
at a player without knowing the market first, especially in this market. I hope
his attitude doesn't rub off on Paul.
Millsap, welcome to the world of high expectations. You better improve or this
could be your last 4 years in the NBA. With your agent popping off like he did,
and with you basically giving one of your five fingers to the Jazz by allowing
the Jail-Blazers to play a game similar to scenes in the movie Deliverance. I
think Millsap has quickly gone from fan favorite to do something more or
else.I use to value Millsaps toughness, but between his agent reps
and the signed Blazers contract... I'm not a big fan anymore. He has a lot to
prove and I don't think he can do it.Bad move by the Jazz, I would
have rather gone into the lottery next season without Millsap than with him.
Cracks me up how people can talk about a player being worth only 6 mil vs. 9
mil. NO player is worth more than even 1 mil! It's a friggin' GAME, people!Athlete salaries are a sign of a misguided society. There are many
things more important than athletics. Sure, donations and charities benefit, but
not as much as those total salaries might suggest should happen.Still, glad to see Millsap is retained. Don't care if Boozer is or not, except
his durability is a liability.May the injury Gods be kind to the
Jazz this year!
Boozer will play like a beast this year in order to get another fat contract. So
keep him for now till a solid trade comes around later in the season. As annoying as it might be to have him around he will play hard for his next
contract. And Carlos plays hard the Jazz win and that's just what he wants to be
able to say to any possible suitors.
Another dumb move by the Jazz. It's time for KOC to be fired. Move Sloan to a VP
position, make Stockton the new GM and hire horny as the coach. This is
something the fans have wanted for a long time.
Boozer's value will be much higher when teams are looking to compete for the
play-offs. Keep him until then at least.
The Jazz are the Jazz and always will be. KOC has drafed some questionable
players, but I suspect he had help with Jerry in the background. After all this
is Jerry's team and I'm sure he has had a lot of say as to what happens. But we
never here that.Just for the record there isn't a NBA player out there
that is worth the type of money they throw around. There are a lot of people in
this world that have real jobs, and make a bigger long term impact on society
than any of the NBA elite. So let the Jazz have there fun. Fans can't change
anything. Everyone enjoy your weekend.
Boozer plays nervous?...LMAO! Are you kidding me?He gets paid a ton
of $$$... maybe he could see someone about it? LOL...I think you'll find Jazz
fans are no different than any other fan base...Your reply has
nothing to do with my original post of people spouting off about trades...we
will get nothing of value.
So we are supposed to be happy that we have a cheaper but inferior team "for the
foreseeable future"? I'm not on board with this one.
If the Jazz traded for T-Mac then count on the team not making it out of the 1st
round of the playoffs or not making the playoffs all together.
32 diveded by four is still 8.0 mil per year.add the luxury tax and oh my.
How many higher profile players have taken less?What is Artests
contract? Ariza?Portland wins round 1. they got exactly what they wanted.
They put one of their competitors in a huge hole.Hope KOC has a backhoe!
Not impressed with Kevin's ability to build a winner.
Many want to discount the signing bonus after it is paid. Bottom line is it is
included. so changing numbers to make it look better doesnt help.You add in the
luxury tax @ dollar per dollar and this is a huge impact and if nothing is done
that also needs to be included on Milsaps contract. Better players are taking
less than MLE.Milsaps contract could cost as much as 15-20 million when you add
the luxury tax.KOC lacks initiative to get the right personnel at the right
price. I thought this was a business. Why are they letting players decide who
comes and who goes. Plenty of players with like or better upside for half the
Portland wanted to stick it to the predictable Jazz with no intention of
actually getting or playing Millsap and the Jazz fell for it. Too bad we could
not of had the guts to stick Portland with that inflated contract in a
decreasing salary cap market! Think about it, Kobey, Gasol, Odom &
Bynum vs Williams, Okur, Millsap and Korver. NO COMPARISON! The Jazz have
strapped themselves for years and guaranteed mediocre seasons. I could have
lived with 1 down year and tested the fee agent market of 2010 for a hope at
building a Western Finals contender but the Jazz could not see the big picture!
Oh well, 6-8 seed here we come,(for years to come) YIPEE!
His full 6.5 does not count. The Jazz have to decide if they want to
contend. They can get under the lux tax and make the playoffs or they can go get
the players they need to improve the defense, the road wins and the back to
backs. They really need a good young back up PF for insurance. Okur
and AK are going to have minor injuries. What if Millsap gets hurt? He is not
the PF of the future anyway. That needs to be fixed this year or next. CJ needs to step up, or Korver needs to be traded for a shooter who can defend
(or both traded). The Jazz have 13 players now but without Boozer
and Harp they will have to add back. The Jazz are fully capable of
stealing a young promising SG/SF who can shoot and defend and the PF of the
future in the fire sales of Feb or in FA next year. How are the Euro
projects doing? Is one of them ready? The Jazz are in better long
run shape than thought. They are only overpaying Millsap 1.5 million. Go get the talent at PF/SG.
You must be thinking of the rip from 2 years ago because as of right now Brewer
is a much better player
The Jazz are at 81 Million in salary (includes Millsap). However, they played
most of last year without Boozer (12.7 million) and Harp (6.5 million). They
made the playoffs and would have had the 6th seed if Boozer had not come back.
Millsap counts 7.7 million against the cap this year. The Jazz will have PF Millsap/AK/KoufosC Okur/Koufos/FezSF AK/CJSG Brewer/KKPG DWill/Price/MaynorKK/CJ/Brewer
can rotate among SG/SF as needed. The weakest links are Price and
CJ. This is not an ideal team but it is a playoff team. The Jazz
have 19+ million in Boozer/Harp to fix the salary cap and get some better
players. The Jazz could go and get two 2nd/3rd year players at PF
and SG/SF who can shoot and defend for reasonable and still get rid of much of
the salary problem. Or they could get a good vet at SG/SF. They
could rent a Vet PF for this year. I would like for them to get the PF of the
future during the next year or two. Someone who is younger and reasonable.
If Millsap is so good, why are trying to trade Boozer for another PF? Wouldn't
it make more sense to trade Boozer for a shooter?
Actually, Harpring has already told the local media that he's considering
retirement and would retire before the trade deadline to save the Jazz from
having all of his salary on the books for the year. Boozer to Detroit for Rip
saves $1.4 million. Harpring leaving before February saves $3 million (he'd
still get $3 million). The Jazz get a kickback of $6 million from the players
this month because of the collective bargaining agreement. There's your $10.4
million to cover Millsap for the year. The trade for Hamilton makes perfect
sense from a competitiveness standpoint and leaves the Jazz only a few million
over the cap if they can convince Harpring to retire.
Really guys Rip Hamilton? Do we really need another huge contract while we are
trying to dump some? Why is everyone so down on brewer anyway so he doesnt shoot
threes, we have Korver,Williams and Okur for that last time i looked.
Yikes! Overpaid! This isnt going to be good news for the future. We will always
be an 8th seed until they make better changes.
hm too bad for Jazz. Portland did good job bluffing. Paul isn't worth that much.
Bogut for Boozer. Great idea!
I like Milsap but this pretty much gaurantees us not getting any better. We
needed to upgrade the 2 and add some legnth in the front court. Can't do it
now... too bad. If we help Portland get Hinrich for just Thomas I will
If the Jazz take on Hamilton's contract, they woill putting themselves over the
luxury tax for the next two years if they keep AK. The only way for this deal
to work is to trade harpring and booz for hamilton, then harpring to Memphis for
it to work with the Jazz giving up a 2nd rounder and cash considerations.
I'm a BYU fan... but a BIG fan of Bogut. Sure he was banged up last year...
BUT...He can pass, rebound, defend, and has the length to defend Gasol, Duncan,
Howard ect. He would also probably enjoy a return to his college stomping
grounds.Not sure that the Bucks would do it... But if they are
concerned about his back spasms of last year they might want to cut bait. We
would have to be concerned as well... But if healthy at least he give us a
Great Job Jazz Management. With the season ending the way it did for the jazz,
it was evident that their were team problems (likely Boozer) that caused the 8
of 10 game loss at the end of the season. Team chemistry was not good. It was
evident that Boozer was not a team player when he insisted he was a starter.
Great to be confident, but with his injury and eventual come back, the team was
made stronger for a while until his selfish attitude destroyed the team. Now
Milsap can shine. His work ethic will make better than boozer when all is said
and done. With the development of the younger talent and hopefully adding a few
leadership quality veterans, they will compete just fine. I think the Jazz are
getting off pretty cheap with Milsap's contract. No comparison to AK's. Go
Jazz, they will be funner to watch now.
by including them in a 3-way trade! I agree Boozer for Rip is the best deal.
Hey real question,I have to respectfully disagree but Price is the perfect
backup and if I recall almost won game 5 for us, along with Millsap that is.I do
agree about millsap not being able to guard taller pfs. Hopefully they can have
Krilenko do some of that, you know he was an allstar at pf before boozer came.
Brewer is the answer at sg. I dont have any faith in the jazz doing the right
things either but there future relies on finding some young high draft talent
that comes cheap for Ak and Booz we both agree there
Mark Eaton, Greg Ostertag, Carlo Boozer, Etc......What a dumb Move!!!!!
Mixed feelings here.First--stop dogging the Jazz management. They
have given us competitive teams year after year and they will continue to do so.
I agree with listening to Derron Williams. He is our franchise and
our future. He is also a smart player who knows how to win. If he wants to
keep Milsap, I do.Yes it is scary to pay that much for Milsap, but I
do believe he can be great. I am still crossing my fingers for Boozer to the
Pistons for Hamilton.
I told you so, people out there are not smart enough to add $10 mil + $10 mil
luxury tax = $20 mil = $42 mil for the contract. Trading away a better player
than Millsap for nothing to ease the Luxury Tax doesn't make things better.
get rid of boozer quick, before he is hurt again!
If we can get a team to take Miles in with the Boozer trade, what do you think
of going after Stack? He'd be cheap, a veteran in the locker room, and a real
This won't make the Jazz contenders this year (probably borderline playoff
team), but hopefully it positions the Jazz to move up into serious contention in
the next 2 or 3 years. With our without a healthy Boozer, the Jazz were still
missing a strong wing scorer/defender and a strong low-post defensive presence.
Those needs don't change in this resigning. Hopefully we see Koufos blossom to
take care of at least one of those needs.
KOC - Two words - Rip Hamilton
now? Not Millsap. The team defense has to be upgraded. That includes the
exterior defense. CJ needs to attack the rim, rebound and play more
like AK only with a better outside shot. He is a real weakness at this point. He
has to improve or he needs to be traded. Korver is not going to get
much better. He needs his own special plays. That is a serious coaching problem.
Brewer needs to improve his shot.The team is a lot more dependent on
Okur now. He does not match up well with 1/2 of the Cs. Koufos or maybe Fez have
to step up. Or Boozer needs to be traded for a very good PF/C and a shooting SG
preferably young cheap talent the Jazz can afford to hang onto. Forget the
salary problems. Pay to get a shot at a ring. Maybe POR goes after
Odom now. That will not help them much but will hurt LA a lot. Forget continuity that is PR. Make the moves to get the talent to fix the
problems. Continuity is gone now. It will never be the same team as before and
will not function like it did.
Why would the Jazz pass on a proven high performer like Blair and take a high
level unproven player in their first round pick. I like maynor, but Blair would
have been an outstanding pick up even if he only can give you 20 minutes a night
due to bad knees. I still can't believe the Jazz did not buy into the 2nd round
and make the steal of the draft.
The trade I like for Boozer is Hinrich and Jerome James for Boozer and Miles.
The Jazz then ship James to Memphis for a future 2nd round pick and cash
not the Millsap signing, it is whether the Jazz are willing to upgrade the
roster into a contender inspite of being in the lux tax. The NBA has
shifted. If you want to contend you pay the lux tax. Will Utah get the talent it
needs or will we hear more continuity nonsense? Boozer insures that
there will be no real continuity. Will the Jazz get talent or cost cutting out
of the Boozer trade? Playing Millsap at PF changes the dynamics of
the other positions. He is too short. He can't run the pick and roll (unless he
learns fast the Jazz are hurt badly), he can't defend tall athletic PFs (neither
could Boozer). Millsap will not open up the floor like Boozer.The
Jazz sorely need a SG who can shoot and create his own shot. They need a much
stronger contribution from SF especially if AK has to play back up PF. Price will lose games as the back up PG. Let's hope Maynor is a fast learner
and Sloan is smarter than most of us think.Sloan/Johnson are going
to have to customize the system to Millsap. That has limitations.
Brains People please!!!!!! If you look at his contract not the signing bonus
Millsap is only making the mid-level exception basicly, and if the jazz would of
been smart enough to offer him a deal first they probably wouldnt have to pay
the signing bonus in the first place! A bunch of you are trying to say Millsaps
contributions arent even worth mid-level exception money, (WOW). To bad they
didnt draft the robounding machine known as Dejuan Blair to back him up.We
really needed a third-string pg lol.
take Hinrich. That's a good deal for Boozer.
Your time has come. Study Boozer's moves, particularly his quick first step and
his left hand moves. You almost always go to your right and are way to
predictable. That makes you easy to defend. Work on your jumper. It needs more
arch. It is to easy to block.The Jazz will need more playing time
out of you at both C and PF. Okur is going to have some injury nights. Boozer
will not be there to play C and Millsap is too short to play C most of the time.
Millsap may also have a few injury nights at PF. You need to pull a
Brewer and really come thru early.
what about the following trades for boozer.Joe Johnson from ATLPrince and Hamilton for Boozer, Harpring and Miles
Do you really believe Tracy will teach somebody? He is one of really bad selfish
person. he';s team never been winning team. With AK any team will win but Jazz
Milsap's agents are a bunch of knuckleheads. The only dissapointment from the
resigning of Paul that I have is those two agents will somehow get paid.
Once again, we see bad journalism in action in the report that it was suggested
Millsap would rather not play in Utah.Since when have the
declarations of agents trying (more or less poorly) to represent their client to
be taken at face value.Does anyone really think Paul Millsap is so
stupid he thinks the Jazz should have negotiated with themselves instead of
letting the process play out?Does anyone really think Milsap is not
fully aware of how well the Jazz have done for him and how unlikely it would
have been for him to progress this much with any other team?This
article descended into the usual "nobody likes Utah" paranoid nonsense and
that's a complete shame.But then again so is bad journalism.
Now we can trade Booz for Haslam and Kiri for McGrady. Lets experiment like the
95 Champion Rockets
Cowboy Joe said it right. We do take a hit this year but the following years
Millsap is a good bet to be a great value at under $7m/year. Agree we need to
move Boozer but I am not so sure this is such a bad way to go...and I would bet
the Jazz brass are thinking the same.
We all knew this was coming so don't act shocked. Now we need to work out a
deal for Booz and bring in Tyrus Thomas. That will be a solid backup of
Millsaps and then we can move AK cause Thomas plays the exact same way. I'd
even trade AK for Mcgrady and then we can make a move in 2010. T Mac can help CJ
and Ronnie also and teach them the scoring ways and we will be solid. Tyrus
Thomas also came up big and showed a lot in the playoffs against Boston and if
hornacek works with him more often i think he could produce a solid jump shot
and be great.
I've heard the same rumor. I'd rather do a sign and trade with the Knicks for
David Lee if the price is right. We might also have to take back Eddy Curry.I won't be surprised if there's a three-team trade lurking around the
corner. Portland and Memphis could help us shed some salary.I don't
know? Wait and see I guess.
Here are the numbers: 32mil total - up front bonus -5.6 = 26.4 divided by 4 = an
average of 6.6 mil over 4 years. The ave. contract is within what is being
signed around the league; not the lowest but not the highest. Now to get a good
player back for boozer. Looks like a fun Summer to watch all the moves around
the league. GO JAZZ!
I've heard the rumor for the Jazz-Heat trade is Boozer for Udonis Haslem and
James Jones and then we will trade C.J. Miles later this summer (when his
restriction is lifted) for the Heat's two Trade Exceptions, thus saving us some
money.It's not the best, but ya'll think?
Hey Jazz fans Why don't we keep Boozer until after our December swoon when we
need him in the on that long eastern road trip. He will have to put
up all star numbers as he knows he had no time left on the IR. Then
find some team stretching to get in the playoffs (New York) and drop Boozer and
his contract on them. (He will be out with a hang nail within the first five
games after the trade) This will also help us with next years
lottery pick because when Boozer lands in New York they will go on the longest
loosing streak and not win another game for the rest of the season.
Get David Lee in return and leave New York with the Loozer's contract. Millsap will be with us rested and ready for the reat of the season.
how long will it take for the jazz to pull off a carlos boozer trade i hope it
is soon we need to get rid of him so millsap can start and get a back up go millsap congrads you got what you deserve
now go get hinrich, salmons, and tyrus thomas for boozer, miles and korver and
maybe 1st rounder. what are your thoughts on this trade. we need defense and
shooters which we would get in this trade and would get rid of boozer. i say
some how we try to offer odom 5 yr 50-55 mil just what he wants and maybe he'll
accept it. or i say we trade boozer and ak for a bunch of draft picks so we get
young talent along with the knicks lotto pick. any other suggestions in where we
get cap releif, shooters and defense so we can stretch the d for milly inside
for years to come??
I am glad that the Jazz matched Portland's offer. I don't think the Jazz
overpaid Millsap at all. Financially, he will hurt us next year.As
far as Boozer. The trade to get him out of town most likely will be based on
finances, because of Millsap's bonus. I am fine with that, I just hope we get a
young player, expiring contract and a draft pick or two. I wouldn't
be surprised if Miami landed him, because the Heat need Booz more than any other
team (They want to resign D-Wade). I just hope we do get a Memphis or Portland
involved with some young players coming here to SLC...I am not thrilled by
Haslem and James Jones.I guess, we'll have to wait and see!
Great news. I know all NBA players are over paid but Millsap is a big step away
from sore hammy boozer. Now all they must do is get rid of Boozer for a
suitable backup to Millsap.
I love hearing people comparing Millsap's offer to AK's contract. Millsap won't
ever be earning 16 million in one season. This contract will not hurt the Jazz
in future years like AK's has. Like several have already said after the signing
bonus, this contract is just under 7 million a year. The contract is front
loaded not back loaded. I would much rather have Millsap's heart and skill for 7
million than Boozer's skill and injuries for 13.
Ugh You are right about CJ Miles....UGGHHH!
That's also why you're not GM, either. Teams saw how he did in the playoffs.
He averaged 23/13. I don't recall him being injured in Cleveland, do you?
Sometimes being under constant scrutiny makes you nervous, right? When you play
nervous or tense then you do things that you don't normally do. If Boozer goes
to a new team then there will be much less pressure. We Jazz fans
are pretty hard on players. Cavs fans have been really hard on him as well.
I'm not sure how he'll ever fix that, unless he somehow goes back to the Cavs
and they go on to win a title. ;-)
Gosh dang it people how many times do they gotta say its 32 million over 4 years
whith 10 up front meaning the rest will add up to just about around to 6.5 to 7
million a year
If Paul Millsap is one of the 2 or 3 best players on the Jazz starting 5 than we
will NEVER be a contender....but we will be just fine.....not great or really
good..but just fine...another overpriced second round draft pick..
Another match to a bad contract. How is that CJ investment paying off? Just
hope we get a little more value out of this one.
If anything, this shows that the Jazz are valuing toughness and effort over
scoring talent. Millsap will get better, no question. The question remains,
can he still score when he's being double-teamed all the time? He'll need to
also improve his ball handling and passing.On another note, the Jazz
have way too many wings. They need to include some in any trade that involves
Boozer or at least trade them separately for cap relief/draft pick(s).
This is why most of you posters on here aren't GMsBoozer is a FREE
AGENT next year...We have him for 1 year at 12.7M....We will NOT get ANYTHING
for him of comparable value as he will BE a FREE AGENT NEXT YEAR. The best we
could hope for is some salary cap/lux tax relief this year..What
team will give up anything for him? He has a history of injuries..and this JUST
IN..he will be a FREE AGENT next year. So for all you aspiring GMs..who think
we can trade him for something of value..it won't happen. Millsap
proves that he is worth the contract....Boozer isn't
To quit whinning and welcome Paul back. Get behind him and show him how we
respected what he did last year. He'll be fine and worth it in the future.
Nothing wrong with having "good Guy's" on the team.Move Boozer and
PER is a single number rating developed by Hollinger. The Jazz PER numbers for
each positions are:PG 1.6SG -0.6SF 1.6PF 3.6C 0.4Total PER = 6.6Compared with LA PG
-0.1SG 8.6SF 0.9PF -0.1C 3.7Total PER = 12.1The Jazz need improvement at SG, C and back up PG. Back up SF would also
help. They will need the best PF and back PG they can get as those 2 positions
are most important. They need better team D.In the triangle PG is
not very important. Kobe and Gasol carry the team. No surprise. The
Jazz have a long way to go in total PER if they want a championship.The Magic PER was 7.5. BOS was 19.7 (with Garnett). DEN was 9.7. DAL was
7.9This number is probably better at indicating which positions are
weakest and strongest for each team. However, total PER by team is an
Best news I've had in days. Paul earns his keep!
Just better hope Sloan puts down the bottle long enough to come up with a better
plan than throwing the ball to the PF 30+ times. There's a real possibility
that we'll see Millsap turn into a low 20&10 guy while the rest of the team rots
watching Deron & Paul play 2 on 5.Also, please compare the projected
starting lineup of the Jazz next season (minus Boozer) to the best teams in the
West. You'll find they are about #8. Jazz are playing it safe, now it's time
to spin things and string the fans along for yet another mediocre season. Let's
pull our socks and undersized shorts up - a new Jazz season is on the way!
For the love of the Jazz and everything like them that is holy, please don't
trade with Miami for Udonis Haslem. Who wants an offensive stiff at the most
important scoring position in Sloan's offense? Why would you shoot yourself in
the foot like that? Please find a shooter to open things up for Millsap and help
him become the focus of the offense.
what is the latest on the boozer trade front
Where I went to school 3/4 mil is $750,000 maybe you was taught differently.
Anyway it's not that important but I think most got the message.
OK...KOC... Now find us a trade that doesn't net us Udonis ! Good job... I hope
the Jazz will keep Millsap, then trade Boozer, at last the team can move on
forward, and not backward, can't wait to see them opening the new season with
new guys coming, I'm excited for them
future. The big problem is not Millsap. It is Sloan. He will start Millsap for 4
years. The Jazz need a better PF for a starter. Millsap is probably over paid
about 1 to 2 Million a year. That is not a big problem if the Jazz will spend to
upgrade the back up PF, SF and SG positions. If Millsap prevents the Jazz from
up grading the team then this is a mistake. If you look around there
were not many PFs better than Millsap that the Jazz could get right now. Lee
might be better but he is more money. Millsap will improve. Koufos
will be better. However, with Millsap at PF the Jazz have to have more scoring
and D from Korver/CJ and from the SG position. They have to have a very good
back up PF.If the Jazz will upgrade they might contend. Sloan's
rigid rotations, lack of D, bad road performance and poor outside shooting are
still problems. Get some defense and shooting. Hope Millsap and
Koufos come thru.The Jazz have to decide if they are contenders or
pretenders. Contenders spend and fix thier problems. So far the Jazz spend.
just a business/entertainment entity but what's up? All these prima donas are
overpaid. They all need to be paid $1...then the rest of the contract is built
around incentives...including actually playing for the money. Hey the stock
market is down over 40% still...including the rebound. Realistically their
should be a significant drop in entertainment dollars....look at the movie box
office.....etc., etc., etc. Come on David Stern...get your act together and
spearhead a new player agreement and get this NBA bact to reality. Look around
at the arenas and see all the empty seats masquerading as fans. The Portland
Tailchasers/Blazers is a joke attempting to shaft/extort the Jazz with a crapola
contract proposal like they did. The Jazz owe them a season sweep to punish
them for their outrageous behavior. Let Carlos go to the Heat and his salary
off the table. Bye, bye Mr. Boozer....also known as the Cleveland Snake.
Bulked up my foot! Ak couldn't put on 5# if he had to and has said as much on
numerous occations. His weight simply doesn't vary from season to off season.
This means that we will give Boozer away for nothing instead of making him play
out the year. Not a good sign for the future as Millsap can not carry the team
offensively or defensively. This does not make us better for the upcoming
season. Don't really like the move based on the money issues facing the Jazz
and the rest of the league. Still believe had we been patient, we could have
done better next year.
Another grossly overpaid professional sports player--let the moronic fan base
start worshiping another multi-millionaire now.
great move by the Jazz. The contract is front loaded with that stupid signing
bonus. It starts at roughly 6.4 million, and once we get the signing bonus out
the way the contract is good value, I dont think it gets above 7 million, for
our future starting power forward (presuming Booz is outta here) thats very good
value.Now on to trading Boozer. I dont wanna hear any more about
trading him for rubbish and cash, these are all rumors from other teams. The
only deal that has been reported that we offered was Boozer for Prince, which I
think shows our intentions. That would have saved us money and improved the
team. Hopefully KOC keeps that mindset and doesnt cave in to downgrading Booz
just to save pocket money, unless it saves us 10mil plus I dont wanna hear
it.As for AK...do we really wanna be paying a 6th man over 16
million next season...does that really sound ethical?
when will the announcement of a boozer trade happen
Here are the net production numbers for last year for the Jazz players. Net
prodution is points produced minus points allowed. AK +8.6DWill + 7.1Brewer +4.3Millsap +3.5Koufos +2.8Harp
+2.0Okur +0.2Boozer -2.2Knight -2.8Miles -4.0Korver -4.0Almond -8.9Fez -10.7Price -11.3Collins
-20.8This is only one metric but it is a good direct head to head
indicator of contribution.Millsap on balance is better than Boozer
and cheaper. AK may not be over paid? Koufos is better than most think. Harp
will be missed. Okur is a wash. We need an up grade at Korver/CJ. Knight was
better than Price. Price will lose games this year. Collins was a disaster.
Almond is not a loss. Keeping Millsap is okay if we can get upgrades
at back up SF and SG. Koufos will be better this year to help at C. We also need
the strongest PF available to go with Millsap.We are in the lux tax.
Get the best team possible. If you are going to pay then contend. Millsap will have to improve.
Yes - as a matter of fact you sound like the quintessential Suprs fan. Please
go. You'll fit right in with all the whiners down there.
Millsap wasn't making 3/4 mil each year. He only made about $890,000 last year.
Don't forget trading Okur and Korver for Dwight Howard. I agree with
Great I'm Satisfied. I don't like the idea of having to pay a huge luxury tax
this season, but Milsap earned a $5-6M bonus over the last few seasons. And for
the record he was actually making a minimum contract at about $700K per year.
Milsap's value should be around 6-7 a year, which is what his contract is worth
minus the bonus. As long as I think of the bonus as a late payment for the last
3 seasons I'm okay with it, otherwise this was not a good move. Keep
Boozer until the trade deadline and see if the team is contending before trading
him. He and DWill are the only players we have that can actually create their
own shot. Everyone else is either a job shooter or scores off backdoor cuts.
don't forget Kosta Koufos to Toronto for Bosh. And Ronnie Brewer and CJ to LA
for Kobe. Then we'll have team USA. who needs subs?
Milsap is a bargain at 8 mil/year. Too bad about the luxury tax tax issue.
Everybody forgets the Jazz are in this situation because they found such a great
player in the second round.
I think fans will be pleasantly surprised with Millsap's production next year.
I also hope AK gets some PF minutes with his new bulked up frame he won't be
pushed around quite as easily. Considering what COULD have happened with
this offseason I'm happy the way things have turned out.
Thank you for being one of the only voices of reason, Steve-O. This deal only
looks scary because it is frontloaded. The Jazz will take out a loan for it
that will get paid back over time, and end up paying a decent wage, even
reasonable, wage for his services. This is not a bad deal at all. Everyone was singing a different tune when Millsap was putting fans in the
seats and everyone was raving about his 20-10 propensity during the course of
the season. The offseason starts and all of a sudden everyone is objective,
even pessimistic. Boozer has a one way ticket out of town, and we will pay to
see this team take the floor, so I'm thinking that there's little to complain
about. Somehow, we as fans always find a way...
...But you knew it was going to happen. Don't forget, D-Will was very clear he
wanted Millsap, even in public.A year from now KOC will be the hero
or the goat. At least he should be used to either role by now. Some great
moves and some real stinkers over his career. Only one real piece of
drama left. Not sure they can keep our interest with Boozer trade rumors for
100+ days though.
The Jazz now need to trade Boozer to Cleveland for LeBron, and if we could get
DWade from the Heat for AK and Fes we're going to be set. I really hope KOC has
a chance to work this out, it would be the greatest move ever by a GM.
Paul really is getting just under 7mil for the four years. Look at it like this,
he has contributed a bunch to our success the past 2 years making only 3/4mil
each year and in comparison to the other players in this league that play 25
min per game that is peanuts. So in essence look at it like he got his bonus for
the last 2 years of quality play in this contract. Now he can support his family
that follows him here each year and (he is their bread winner) live like some of
the other lower tier players. This bonus of 5mil deducted from the 32mil makes
his contract 4 years for 27mil, which amounts to just under 7mil per season. I
like it and so should you fans.
$10M for a backup. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid!
You can't say "I told you so." The summer isn't even over, yet.
First off Millsap will be a value after his first year with a salary in the 6 to
7 million. Secondly DWill wants Millsap to stay so it had to be done, and
thirdly why do the fans care about the luxury tax and salary tax? It's not like
we have to pay the bill. I just hope that the Jazz are patient and get the right
offer for Boozer. THe Miami one is a horrible trade for the Jazz. They need to
get equal or close to it. If they have to bring back Boozer because no good
trades than do it. Boozer will have a monster year because he wants a big
contract and raise. Let him have that monster year in Utah and The Jazz can be
the Mercenaries instead of BOozer for once,
wants him back. I doubt we know more than D-Will about this kind of stuff.
Wow, just when I thought Jazz management couldn't be any stupider....Then again, why am I surprised? This is the same front office that is
actually (according to the rumor) considering trading Boozer for Haslem. There
has got to be something I am not aware of, or else it is true that the people
running the Jazz are in fact the dumbest people on earth. I think it's about
time I find a new team....Spurs?
Millsap's contract is definitely better than the one Boozer signed 4 years ago
I like the deal better than sending Milsap to Portland and keeping Boozer for 1
year. I just hope the Jazz can get a decent trade for Boozer.
Like I've said... the Jazz would be stupid not to match this. The contract
looks scary because it's frontloaded, but the last three years are not bad at
all. Good move by the Jazz.
Great, the Jazz are showing they are satisfied with the status quo or less and
are willing to spend a ton of money to do it. They will never beat the elite
teams in the west with this team. Let's top it off by taking the moronic Miami
trade for Boozer to make up some of that money. I'm done commenting except to
say I told you so.
I expect Portland to work a trade for Boozer now...
Better deal than the one Cleveland gave Varejo and much better than Varejo. Wait
till the guy is getting quality minutes and has a decent backup. Depending on
who they can bring in you could actually bring AK off the bench at the four that
is considering we could get a two guard and move R Brewer to three.
He's not worth it! He is a $6 million a year player....not an $8 or $9 million
a year player! The Jazz are destroying their future.
if Boozer and Millsap come back, and we stay healthy, this may be the best move
I don't know what to think about this. If I think about how happy it makes Dwill
then I like it. If I think about the salary cap this year then I don't.
Great news. and good bye Boozer if not this year then next summer
not too bright
You are crazy. We better hear about a trade with the Blazer by tomorrow.
The Jazz have way over paid. This deal will keep the team down for four years,
just like AK's deal is right now.
Nice. Now if we can just get rid of The Mercenary.