BYU football: 1984 season in review

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  • re: HeyUte
    July 17, 2009 3:31 p.m.

    "We have one...where's yours?"

    It isn't hidden. Our Football NC trophy is displayed prominently in our trophy case.

    "I'll lay odds we win another one before you ever get a sniff at one."

    Now there's a bold prediction. It sounds a lot like the Utes' challenge to the tdS when we boasted we'd get a 2nd BCS Bowl before you even sniffed ONE. How ominous of us.

    "Now go try to find some respect #2. Hahahaha"

    Really? We finished #2 in the AP, while YOU finished #25, and you're suggested WE need to find some respect? OUR respect has been found, and noted among Sports Analysts and ESPN articles touting us as the best non-BCS program in the country [most wins over BCS teams of any non-BCS schools, longest winning streak, longest Bowl winning streak, best Bowl winning pct. for teams > 10 Bowl games played, etc.].

    Who beat 4 ranked opponents last year? Utah!

    Who has NEVER beat > 2 ranked opponents in ANY GIVEN year? Who lost to every ranked team played last year? Who has gone 1-22 vs ranked opponents over the last 12 yrs? The tdS!

  • re: I love to hear
    July 17, 2009 3:21 p.m.

    " I was there and that place was empty long before the last two minutes."

    I love to hear you and your fellw tdS fans blatantly expose themselves as frauds in your posts. You were NOT at the game. Zoobs only go to RES once every 2 yrs, and only in late November. Even if you DID go to the game [which you did NOT], you would only be admitting to your insecurity about the Utes since you've failed to live up to their national presence. Actually, you admitted in ANYWAY when you posted your bogus claim to have been there.

    There's no such thing as a tdS fan, only Ute haters.

    I wasn't at the game either. I live on the East Coast. But I watched the game nonetheless. It was on NATIONAL television [not The Mtn.].

  • HeyUte
    July 17, 2009 12:03 p.m.

    I don't believe the majority of BYU fans actually believe the Cougs were the BEST team in the country in 1984 but. However, they were one of the best and could play with any team in the nation. The best teams in sports don't always win championships. That doesn't deminish BYU's championship. Just like the BcS, the poll and voting system in '84 was controversial at best. BYU happened to be in the right place at the right time and took advantage of the system that was in place and was voted as Champions by NATIONAL media and coaches. No, we didn't have to vote ourselves as paper champions like the Ute clowns keep spouting off about. Kinda cute boys but in the end the trophy is the only thing that matters. We have one...where's yours? I'll lay odds we win another one before you ever get a sniff at one. Now go try to find some respect #2. Hahahaha

  • I love to hear
    July 17, 2009 11:52 a.m.

    all the ute fans say how they saw BJ against OSU in the last two minites to win that game. I was there and that place was empty long before the last two minutes. These fair weather ute fans didn't believe in the utes then and they didn't believe in them during the BCS Bowl. Utes did not sell out their full alotment of tickets to their fans. I guess they already had the second mortgage on the trailer in order to get their season tickets.

  • Re: Poor Utes | 6:17 p.m.
    July 17, 2009 10:36 a.m.

    Poor zoobs. Resorting to revisionist history to make a point doesn't work on Ute fans.

    "At Michigan a receiver dropped an easy catch in the endzone for Michigan..."

    Nope. Actually at Michigan, they were able to stay in the game due to a few muffed punts. At NO point during that game did they drive the length of the field. Their only scoring drives BEGAN in Ute territory.

    " Air Force your team looked pathetic...from all accounts Air Force out played you from start to finish"

    30-23 Edge: Utah.

    Utah outgained AFA by 249 yds of total offense. And we even held them to only 53 yds rushing...their lowest rushing total since 1981 Edge: Utah

    "...then the kicker from TCU decides to take the day off and hands that game to you..."

    TCU piled on 416 yds total offense...over 200 of which (and all points scored) occurred in the 1st Qtr. Qtrs 2-4, Utah's defense makes adjustments, and wins the day. Edge: Utah

    "...then Max Hall decides to commit more turnovers in 1 game then he had all year long."

    Hall vs. Johnson, Edge: Utah.
    Hall vs. Utah's "D", Edge: Utah

  • fools
    July 16, 2009 5:53 p.m.

    Anyone who seriously thinks the '84 season is the reason we have the BCS has a head full of brown mushy stuff.

    If you even watched 10 seconds of the debates that created the BCS, you'd know the reason the BCS exists is because of the recurring problem of two schools being crowned national champions. THat happened repeatedly in the 90s and so the conferences got together and decided on the BCS. They really didn't give a second thought to the smaller schools cuz it didn't matter what they said until schools like Marshall, Boise State and Utah started putting together teams that rivalled the champions of the BCS.

    Cougar fans, sorry but the world doesn't revolve around Happy Valley, no matter how hard you try, how perfect you are, or how much you are invested in your team.

  • Lucky flash in a pan
    July 15, 2009 8:11 p.m.

    I love how the cougars assume that those who don't respect the y must be ute fans. Both programs were over-rated. Barely scrapping by mediocre conference opponents is far from awe inspiring.

  • Poor Utes
    July 15, 2009 6:17 p.m.

    I can't believe you Utes are this dense. You try to rip apart a 13-0 season with a hundred reasons why it was nothing special; then in the same breath you prop up your own 13-0 season where you got lucky at least 4 times. At Michigan a receiver dropped an easy catch in the endzone for Michigan, at Air Force your team looked pathetic and everyone who watched that game is still trying to figure out how Utah ended up winning that game because from all accounts Air Force out played you from start to finish, then the kicker from TCU decides to take the day off and hands that game to you, then Max Hall decides to commit more turnovers in 1 game then he had all year long.

    The point is anybody can tear apart any season if they want to nitpick. But 13-0 is 13-0. So pat yourself on the back for having done it twice now but it's OK to give other great teams their due.

    It's all the comments like these that I believe there is no such thing as a Utah fan...only BYU haters.

  • U-phoric!
    July 15, 2009 4:48 p.m.

    The real question is what have you done for me lately? Oh, I get it, that is exactly why we are getting the 1984 season in review 25 years later. Well, I guess you gotta do whatever you need too, when your "quest" keeps getting hijacked gy those pesky Men in Red...Thanks, you've inspired me to pull that 1984 little league trophy for a good polishing since, like the cougars, I won't be winning one of those again anytime soon.

  • Who crowned the Y Nat'l Champs?
    July 15, 2009 4:26 p.m.

    Breaking this down, to the simplest terms even a zoobie can understand:

    In '84, you beat NO ONE of significance. Your opponents were weak, and so was the WAC. Beating mediocre teams is considered par. Beating top competition is considered noteworthy.

    Even with your weak schedule you struggled with your competition. Only a 38-15 victory over a 6-5 bowl-less Tulsa team did you show anything remotely resembling a strong performance over a team with a winning record.

    Beating an overrated Pitt team in your season opener put you in the Top-15, but that didn't make you a Top-15 caliber team. Pitt won 3 games all year. Play that game in week 4 and nobody would have noticed. After cracking the Top-15, you just waited for those teams who played REAL competition to inevitably lose. You backed into the #1 spot by week 11. After that, by not losing to 1-10 Utah St, or 6-6 Michigan, the pollsters couldn't move you down. When has the #1 [sic] team in the nation ever beat their Bowl opponent and drop in the rankings? Never.

    You didn't earn it. You backed it.

  • Nice to remember
    July 15, 2009 4:10 p.m.

    when the y was relevant. Maybe the DN should re-run more of these 1984 look-back articles after OU crushes the y in a few weeks.

    Ah, memories!

  • Poor Uties
    July 15, 2009 3:14 p.m.

    they try hard to make believe their teams of 04 and 08 did better than the great Y team of 84. Can't get over the one fact: #1, BABY!!!!!

  • For the bitter 7:42 poster
    July 15, 2009 2:09 p.m.

    You wrote: "You obviously live in Utah; most likely within shouting distance of the "why?", so I'll clue you in. Nobody outside of your tdS bubble, or the LDS church really believes you were the best team that year.......''

    Uh, then who crowned us National Champions?

    I'll give you a hint. It wasn't some "fan" poll like the one who want recognized as "official" for your 2008 team....

    Hugs and Kisses - BleedCougarBlue

  • re:re: now that's a...
    July 15, 2009 12:28 p.m.

    A Sugar Bowl Champion trophy will never top a National Champion trophy. Without looking, who won the Sugar Bowl in 1984? Unless it was a NC game, now one cares.

  • Jumbo Slice
    July 15, 2009 11:52 a.m.

    BYU has won a National Championship Utah never has. End of story.

  • Maddog
    July 15, 2009 11:28 a.m.

    I actually enjoy these comments better than the articles ... Something to think about, the BYU 1996 Cotton Bowl team was probably the best BYU or Utah team ever!

  • John, Not From Utah
    July 15, 2009 11:22 a.m.

    Someone said:

    "You obviously live in Utah; most likely within shouting distance of the "why?", so I'll clue you in. Nobody outside of your tdS bubble, or the LDS church really believes you were the best team that year."
    Um, actually the majority of both the sportswriters and coaches in 1984 believed BYU was the #1 team that year. That's why they voted for them. Why do you guys have such a hard time with that?

  • History!
    July 15, 2009 10:40 a.m.

    Gimme a break!

    Even those who are stupid know that statistics can be twisted to serve their purposes. Look at politicians!

    You can dice the years many ways to PROVE BYU is better than Utah. But you only have twisted statistics.

    Right or wrong by Utie standards. BYU has a CONSENSUS National Championship. That is not a twisted statistic, that is a fact.

    If Utah had ever won a national championship, I would give them Kudos. Why do Ute fans have such a hard time acknowledging achievement by BYU?

    I guess we all know the answer to that!

  • Yawn!!!!!!!!!!!
    July 15, 2009 10:37 a.m.

    Deseret News... still has nothing to report about sports. Really? Nothing on recruiting? Nothing about spring or summer ball? Nothing but reliving the "Glory Days" of a blown up national championship. Honestly... Wait! I have an idea! Let's do a 5 year anniversary of the 2004 Original BCS Busters! Oh yeah! That sounds awesome... I'm sure everyone will want to relive that!!! Nah... we don't want all those cougar fans reading the Deseret to move over to the Trib... So lets talk about 1984 for 2 WHOLE WEEKS!!! Yay!!!!!

  • History...
    July 15, 2009 8:38 a.m.

    is just that, HISTORY. Especially after 25 years!

    Found this article linked from 1280thezone. Very intersting in that it truly shows the change of the guard that BYU fans wish to ignore and deter.

    A researcher studied all D-1 programs from 2004-2008, and here were the results:

    49-14 Overall
    29-10 Conference
    16-8 Versus teams w/winning record
    6-5 Versus ranked teams
    13 Most wins in a given season
    5 Most losses in a given season

    43-19 Overall
    31-8 Conference
    12-14 Versus teams w/winning record
    1-10 Versus ranked teams
    11 Most wins in a given season
    6 Most losses in a given season

    Basically the Utes beat good teams and the Cougars are below average against good teams, and just plain pathetic against ranked teams. And so much for the "consistency" argument from BYU fans as shown over the last 5 years.

    Couple other notes on the article:

    4-5 Versus ranked teams

    3-7 Versus ranked teams

    I'd like to thank this researcher for clearly showing that Utah is now the class of the MWC, and all non-BCS conferences.

  • TrueRed
    July 15, 2009 8:37 a.m.

    Oh Yaaaawn! How many articles on '84 do you need to fill the sports pages?--LOL

  • Best we will ever do?
    July 15, 2009 8:16 a.m.

    Can you think of a higher rank than number one? Look- kudos to the Utes for a great season last year. If you had played that season in 1984, you might well have been Natl Champs, too. BYU's 1984 does not take away from Utah's 2004 or 2008 or vice verse.

  • Anonymous
    July 15, 2009 8:11 a.m.

    Uh, do we have nothing new to report since it's summer?

  • UteGary
    July 15, 2009 7:42 a.m.

    Still living in the past? The 1984 season is the reason why we have the BCS. That is not the Y's fault. Until things change BYU, Utah and no one outside the BCS will win a national championship. Enjoy 1984 for as long as you can, that appears to be the best you'll ever do.

  • re: Now that's a...
    July 15, 2009 7:42 a.m.

    We topped that season 5 yrs ago with our ORIGINAL BCS busting team, the Urban Meyer led '04 team. Then we topped THAT team last year by beating 4 ranked teams, winning the Sugar Bowl, and picking up the media's Fanspoll Nat'l Championship title.

    Our 8th ranked '94 squad was better than your '84 team. We beat 3 ranked teams that year. When, in the ENTIRE EXISTENCE of the tdS football program, have they ever done that? All you did in '84 is eke out victories over creampuff opponents (seriously, your ONLY opponent w/ more than 7 wins that year was Air Force, with one of those 7 coming against 1-AA Northern Colorado), and wait for those other teams [the REAL teams of '84, who scheduled REAL competition] to lose.

    You obviously live in Utah; most likely within shouting distance of the "why?", so I'll clue you in. Nobody outside of your tdS bubble, or the LDS church really believes you were the best team that year. You're lucky you were even mentioned in the Top-10. You were the Ball St. of 2008. You didn't beat a team with > 8 FBS wins.

  • Now that's a
    July 15, 2009 7:12 a.m.

    season to remember. Not just undefeated, but National Champs as well. Try to top that one utie fans.