update: boozer is being traded back to the state of Alaska where Alaska will
trade to Portland all the frozen reefer there (frozen is better) and Portland
will send Pryzbilla and a 1st rounder to the Jazz. :)
The real story is the Jazz and their Dr's wanted to take the conservative
approach and opted to try the rehab aapproach. O'Conner went public on 1320 that
Boozer had done evrything they asked him to do. It was only then that they opted
for surgery. The only thing Boozer did was go back to Dr Ferkle in Calif who had
done his foot surgery. As I recall the Jazz Doctors couldn't even find the
pieces floating around in his knee....let alone repair it.You might
want to refresh your memory on this one!
Hey bus boys and your lackey that agrees with you. Which of the three
occupations do you hold? It's obvously not sports management.
I am so sick of fans saying that we need to back off just because he made some
comments back in December. HE IS ALWAYS INJURED. And he took TWO MONTHS to
decide on having surgery. Isn't that reason enough to trade someone? It is not
all about the comments. Maybe you should try reading what EVERYONE is saying
before flapping your lips.
Haslem? Oh boy.Think if we stack Millsap on Haslem's shoulders at
the 4 anyone would notice?The league gets bigger at the 4 as the
Jazz go in "another direction."
Will be intimidated easily if we trade boozer to the heat without getting
beasley back in return. That will only tell players that the easiest way to get
out of utah is to go on a local radio show somewhere and say you want to be
traded. If they only take haslem and wright back the jazz FO and the millers are
nothing but wimpering milksops.
What comes out of Boozer's mouth isn't nearly as vitriolic as what's spewing out
Boozer may have helped the jazz get to the WCF but he did not play defense
against SA. If I remember right the only one who attempted to show up was
Araujo. Ever since that Boozer has tanked like a lead balloon. You Boohoozer
lovers are funny with the 'it's the organizations fault' line. Boohoozer did
this to himself back in December and not to be suspect of him and his motives
would be stupid he should keep his mouth shut if he doesn't want the criticism.
He has done to the Jazz what he did to Cleveland. The only difference is Utah
can get some value for his sorry excuse for hamstrings.
I completely agree with bus boys...
The Jazz may be trading Boozer and Harpring to Chicago for Thomas, Heinrich and
Hunter (just aquired for 1.3 million which is the exact amount of money to make
this trade work.) This saves the Jazz 5 million a year. They can then trade
Heinrich to Portland (after they retains Millsap)
Boozer thinks Larry Miller is running the team!
This just in.. in an exclusive interview with an un-named wire service...
Carlos said he could offer a clarification on his controversial meeting with a
member of the Miller family. "In fact", said Carlos, "My meeting was with Larry
Miller, and not Greg." Details of the meeting, and how and where it happened
were still unclear... Carlos insists this should completely put to rest the
speculation about his veracity.
Boozer also expects people are stupid enough to believe his LIES too. That does
not necessarily mean it will happen though.Exhibit AAndrei KirilenkoHe went public over issues and wanted a trade.
How did that pan out for him.I hope if the Jazz can work a trade it
is to some dog of a team who is a perennial loser.Boozer ought to be
prepared for the fact that if they can not get a trade for something decent that
he too may become a backup on the bench.I would love to see Sloan
sit that lying sack on the bench until a trade could be worked out.What a worthless piece of DNA.
Odom will either go to POrtland or Dallas. If he goes to POrtland it will
definitely make them a contender for the championships. As for Boozer, if he
goes to the Bulls, the Bullz might actually have a shot. But we'll see.
Reinsdorf is a scrooge.
For the last time PORTLAND IS NOT BETTER THAN UTAH!!!!!!! They don't draft
better, they don't win more, they don't do better through free agency, and they
don't trade better. They won 6 whole games more than us last year!!! They were 1
and done just like us in the playoffs. Portland has only had 4 HOF players in
their whole history, the same as Utah. We were the only team to have 2 players
on both the Dream and Redeem teams. Get over Portland already!!! If you want to
compare the Jazz to the Lakers or Boston you have a point they have done better.
They also have HUGE advatages, over us. The only team that really compares is
San Antonio, and they have even admited they are modeled after Utah! The Jazz
are a very efficent and highly respected organization that cares about winning.
Maybe that different direction means a lottery pick in the near future.
Odom balked at the LA offer. I love it!
and car salesman all know the economic environment is shifting. Unemployment is
going up and the economy is going to stay bad for years. They and almost all of
the working poor and middle class know it in their gut. Stern claims
next years cap will drop to 45 million. Signing Millsap will put the Jazz over
the new cap even with all of the expiring contracts. It does not
matter how hard Millsap has worked. It does not matter how nice a guy he is. It
does not matter if he is loved by the fans. Over paying Millsap
ruins any chance the Jazz have of getting a championship. He will never lead
them to one and signing him will eliminate the chance to to get the right
players over the next 2 years to insure financial stability and improve player
quality. Big name quality players are settling for the mle now and
many more will in the future. The Jazz can rebuild for cheap if they will. If they don't they will pay the luxury tax for a bad team. Continuity is the exact wrong strategy in a shifting environment. The Jazz
have to adapt now.
the cap to drop to 45-50 mill next year and to stay there for years. The Jazz had better rethink signing Millsap. He can be replace for cheap by
better. Boozer's expiring contract is worth blood. Don't give it away. 70-80% of
the NBA will be fire selling next year. AKs contract will be very hard to move.
If they sign Millsap they will be in debt and the lux tax for years. Odom may be available for the MLE. It might be wise to make an offer. LA
jerked their offer. He is talking to MIA. He may go to MIA instead of Boozer.
LA, SA, POR understand how to manage players and put together
winning teams. The Jazz over pay and hope continuity will get them a little
better. LA, SA, BOS, ORL, CLE, deal and make quantum leaps. What is
wrong with the Jazz? They seem incapable of adapting to the changing NBA. The
NBA environment is shifting rapidly. The Jazz are insisting on getting on the
wrong side of the mega trends. They will destroy the franchise if
they continue to pursue their destructive approach. Obama could run
the Jazz better.
david locke's boozer-love over the last month and his insider scoop on
boozer/miller conversation, "management says that never happened," (which is not
the same as, it never happened)... it seemed suspicious - at first. Like, he was
puffing up boozer's trade worth for mgmt, while they quietly shopped the booze.
Like, Locke was channeling Clinton during impeachment trial. word parsing
extraordinaire.but think about it. boozer opts in for the
multi-million-dollar safety blanket. boozer screws up millsap signing. boozer
instantaneously wants to be traded. how does boozer's agent spin it? blame it on
your old boss, carlos. blame it on greg miller. genius spin. and totally
millsap's net worth (offense + defense x team dynamic x intangibles) trumps
boozer's 20/10 x 37% of games played/defensive black hole-tourettes-like
screaming.either way, this is way too juicy not 2 love it! the trade
possibilities could be cool: kirk heinrich & tyrus thomas, rip, scoula &
battier... david lee or michael beasley, not so much.
Jazzrule, it is fact, not love. Don't be ruled by hate.Williams, who
had a stretch of what...5 games of 30+ pts, Okur, Brewer, and Millsap all had
their best offensive seasons to date, and yet the Jazz offense as a whole
dropped off a ledge with it's leading scorer out for most of the year.
It's false. I'm pretty sure someone else pointed it out already, but this is
actually inaccurate, that conversation between Boozer and the Jazz never took
CJ3 you said "The Jazz offense DID suffer w/o Boozer." Sounds like the logic of
a Loozer Lover to me. If I remember right Williams was hurt, missed games and
came back to soon from his injury. AK got shots and played with pain, got
surgery and came back quickly to play. But all you can see is the Jazz played
worse without Loozer. What a lame statement. Loozer Lover.
"If the team as a whole concentrates more on defense or we could pick up someone
like a Raja Bell"We used to have Raja Bell. He said that at 12:01
when teams could call to talk to him as a free agent, Phoenix was first on the
line and the Jazz didn't get around to it until--I can't remember,but I think it
was after 8 in the morning. The front office is slow in approaching things like
this, and it has been their downfall for awhile. Not that I could do the job
well, but then again I never claimed to be someone who could. I
think the Jazz management has always had good intentions, but from our
perspective they just seem, well, slow. If we knew everything, maybe we'd cut
them some slack.
Get rid of this cancer ASAP!
Boozer is not the only problem with the Jazz. Yeah I think he needs to go, but
remember that it was with him we made it to the WCF. One problem is we don't
have a real big man, Okur is a good shooter but no defense or big inside
presence. That leaves an undersized Milsap to defend and rebound. I like
Milsap but we are no contender with him and the current team. Miles didn't
perform great last season but he's still young. AK was good back in the day
when he played PF and had a bigger role. But honestly I think it's
time for Sloan to go. He is a hall of famer for sure, he's been truly great,
but it's time to move on. We need to make a change and take a chance to go get
a big name to play with d will and then we can be a contender. Maybe let
Millsap walk and go for Bosh or someone next summer.
... to give him the Marbury treatment. Booz already has lots of experience
sitting behind the bench in his $1000 suits.
Big Ben to a 1 year MLE or less? He can play limited minutes and add a veteran
presence. PHO bought him out.Actually I think the Jazz would be
better off to pick up a young PF for a back up but I though I would throw out
does not matter. How Boozer plays matters. If the Jazz are smart enough, might I
say capable of letting Millsap go, they are in a good position to make moves
that will give them a team capable of a ring this year or next. They
have a long way to go and a lot of good decisions to make before that happens. I
am hoping they are smart enough to put the welfare of the team and fans ahead of
personalities, coaching preferences and media talk. Sloan gets paid
to coach. Boozer is the best PF the Jazz have and he should play until the Jazz
get the right trade for him. Millsap is loved by coaches,
management, media and fans, but is he a top 5 PF? Let him go. The Jazz have to
have a top 5 PF to win. End of Story. Signing him hurts the team. It
prevents upgrades at other positions. It needlessly donates money to
competitors.Boozer is not good enough. He has to be traded for
someone who is. Forget hard work, remember talent and performance.
Get the right players. Church ballers work hard but do they deserve
an NBA contract?
sad to say but let milly go, get jermaine oneal for harp plus boozer, then get
anthony randolph,turiaf,maggette,biedrins for korver, koufus, and kirilenko and
maybe a 1st rounder then sign wes matthews and josh duncan from summer
league lineup: dwill brewer/maggette
maggette/randolph okur oneal/bierins bench: maynor/kevin krueger wes matthews randolph/miles
turiaf/duncan biedrins/turiaf/festalking about major depth
2010 nba champions
"Personally I am not convinced that Millsap is the answer at the 4 due to our
record last year with him starting a lot of the season. As I have said before, I
believe it is in the Jazz's best interest to let Boozer, Millsap walk this year
and develop the other bigs."Record last season with Boozer playing:
22-15Record last season with Millsap: 26-19The winning
percentages are nearly identical. Maybe Millsap's not ready for a full-time
starter's job, but with Okur and AK starting alongside him, he could stick with
13 and 8 per night and be allright. AK would be happier getting more touches,
as would Okur, and the team as a whole is better off. Boozer's as good as gone
with his trade comments today, so let's move him and get something in return
(Tyrus Thomas), then match for Millsap and go into 2009-10 ready to roll.
If Jerry is right and continuity (and healthy) adds 5 wins more per season that
would have put us up around a 4th seed last year in the playoffs. Thats probably
true, but the team, as constituted, still won't get by LA.Plus, the home
wins vs. road wins problem remains suspect. That seems to me like a coaching
issue. SOmeone has let the players know that road games aren't as important as a
good home show (sell tickets). That's a recipe for mediocrity.
Make him stay and play.
Jazz will let Portland sign Milsap then trade Boozer to Chicago for Hinrich and
Thomas and then Jazz will turn around and trade Hinrich to Portland for Milsap.
I said find his own shot,actually different than "creat" problems reading or
I hope Boozer will be traded before the start of the regular season, in that way
new guys coming in will be more comfortable with Sloan system, chemistry is also
important, therefore the sooner the better in trading Boozer, so the team can
move on and concentrate more in preparing for the next season..I think it's
going to be distracting for the players and the whole coaching staff if Boozer
remains with the team and start the season with him, its better to trade him
this offseason rather than trade him in regular season
unlike you most of us here support our team,win or lose,you`re not a real Jazz
For the last time...The Jazz offense DID suffer w/o Boozer.It dropped from 1st to 8th, while the defense only improved from 12th to 10th,
The team won't go anywhere as long as Jerry Sloan, Phil Johnson are coaching it.
Also as long as KOC maintains his silly conservatism.
It's all about attitude and heart and getting a whole good team together at the
same time. Seems like we've never been able to do that. You get a couple of
great players, and the rest are good going on great or just good. Never enough
to get the job done for whatever reason. As much as I love Sloan, I'd say it's
time for a change. He's a great coach and was a great player-very aggressive.
Too bad we can't have more players like him. Having said that, I'd take Millsap
over Boozer any day just on attitude alone, though I wish Boozer the best. NBA
is just like any other business. It's business. :(
Folks, this is a bad situation for the Jazz and I'm disappointed no one has
pointed this out yet.THE JAZZ PUT THEMSELVES IN A VERY DIFFICULT
SPOT BY TELLING BOOZER THEY WERE HEADED IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. They never
should have said that. It's not that I'm against trading him, but once you tell
someone you are headed in a different direction it now forces you to make a
trade.The result is now Boozer is out there talking about how he is
expecting a trade, and EVERY TEAM IN THE NBA NOW KNOWS THE JAZZ ARE IN A
DESPERATE SITUATION TO MOVE HIM. Making trades is very difficult in the NBA
because of the fact that salaries have to match. Now that everyone knows we have
to get rid of Boozer they know that we will probably settle for less than a
favorable trade just so we don't have to go back on our word.The
Jazz should have just kept their mouths closed, negotiated a good trade, and
then informed Carlos once the deal was signed & sealed.
This guy never ceases to amaze me with his stupid comments! He always says
things that everyone already knows but are not really ready to be said yet."Ya, I am opting out, either way I am getting a raise".We
all knew where things were heading but did he really need to say it and make a
spectacle of himself?What did Okur and Korver say who were in the
same situation? Nothing.Now everyone pretty much knows Boozer is
likely going but of course it does no good whatsoever to get on and talk about a
trade that has not happened yet!! Cue Boozer--leave it to him to say what should
not be said. Boozer is a LIAR because the Jazz did not tell him
that--the conversation never took place. Boozer is a LIAR and he and his agent
put it out there to force a trade.It would be funny if the Jazz
could not make a deal and he got stuck here this season--just for spite.His comments makes teams think the Jazz are desperate which make deals
less likely but that is too complex for Booz to understand!!!What a
Learn how to spell befor you try to degrade someone...... The word is
HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!! CARLOS BOOZER??????DIDN'T HE LEAVE
ALREADY IN THE MIDDLE OF LAST SEASON????????I hope the Jazz
management do make a move to keep Milsap.Boozer - You ain't worth
Hey boozer don't let that door hit you on your way out I'd hate to see you
REALLY get injured.
If Boozer said it does that mean this won't come true? Why can't he ever keep
his mouth shut?
Carlos Boozer: Always leaving his team a little worse than when he arrived. Why
burn your bridges when you can blow your bridges up? What a cancer.
Lets burn his Jersey.
Jazz fans need to lighten up. You all seem to have borderline personality
disorder--if somebody is with you they are the bee's knees, but once they say or
do something you take as disloyal, no matter how slight, they become the
antichrist. I have only ever heard classy statements from Carlos Boozer. He
has never badmouthed the team, the city or the fans to my knowledge. And yet by
the reactions of so many of you all, it would seem he had desecrated everything
you find holy. He is a good player and seems to be a good teammate.
Too bad a better relationship between him and the community didn't continue to
I helped pay for Boozer to ride the sick book. We got hammered just like
Cleveland. He may get $12.5 Mil this year but I think everybody knows him and
he will pay in the long run.
@cbtI don't understand how you can defend this man. The absolute only
reason the Jazz made it to the WCF in 07 was because GS upset DAL. They had a
difficult time beating the Warriors in that series and would have gotten smoked
if DAL would have beaten GS. Anyone who doesn't believe that thinks the Jazz
are much better than they actually are. I really wonder if the
people who defend BOOOOOOOzer are even Jazz fans. This guy has been
a let down for Utah with the exception of one season. He is horrible with
his pr and as Nick pointed out Carlos made a poignant statement when he says
that he will do what is best for him. Carlos has always been solely about
himself. Real fans recognize that and this and the toxic mentality that he has.
He kills the team. "I'm a starter" blahblahblahIf he was really as good
as he thinks he is I think there would be a lot more teams interested in him!Get out (if anyone will take you) BOOOOOzer!finalmente,
Millsap=stud but we all need to let him go. PRICE TOO STEEP
I still think KOC needs to go. This Boozer/Milsap situation has been handled so
badly it is ridiculous. KOC and Sloan should have talked to both PFs to see
what they want to do. Boozer wanted to stay and now Milsap wants to leave.
Boozer is the better PF, the Jazz will be a lesser team without him, Milsap is a
good player, he plays with a lot of heart and plays defense better than Boozer
but offensicely he is not on the same level. The Jazz will sign Milsap and be
stuck with his contract much like they were with Boozer's, Milsap will not be
able to live up to expectations, the evidence is clear when he played bigger
PF's i.e. Duncan, Gasol, Aldridge, Stoudamire. The only course of action is to
resign Milsap and hope to trade him. The situation with Boozer is too far gone
for the Jazz to get equal value (talet-wise) in return.
Doesn't seem like anyone wants him. Do you know who does?
I think he provided some great moments for the Jazz and when he first came I was
the first (well not literally but you know what I mean), to welcome him.
However, it is clear that his presence hurts the chemistry of the team from the
locker room to the stands. So I wish him luck just not when he plays against
the Jazz or if he plays for a Western Conference contender.
This is bad news for Jazz fans, when both the team and the player are openly
discussing they want to part ways through a trade. My Pacers have been facing a
similar situation the past year and a half, and it's been a devilish process.
The Pacers openly stated they were looking to deal Jamaal Tinsley before last
season, and because of that statement they've lost all leverage in getting a
deal done. Teams know the Pacers are desperate to get rid of Tinsley, so they
constantly make lowball offers, thinking they'll eventually bite. No one offers
equal value because they know they don't have to. The Pacers are now in a
position where their only option is to buyout Tinsley and let him walk without
getting anything of consequence in return. Boozer's contract is more appealing
than Tinsley's because it's expiring, but I'd be surprised if the Jazz got more
than just a salary dump and maybe a decent youg prospect in return for Boozer
because teams know the Jazz are desperate to get rid of the guy, an he's
desperate to get rid of the team.
Jazz should trade Boozer for Rip Hamilton, the trade works, plus Jazz get rid of
a cancer inside the locker room, D-will gets a teammate that he can dish the
ball to, and hit a open jumper. Rip wants out of Detroit, and didn't like that
Iverson was always shooting the ball. It would improve the Jazz so much. Just
like when Hamilton's teammate went to Denver, and they went a lot futher into
the playoffs, and gave LA a run for there money. Re-sign Milsap that way you
have a big man that WANTS to play basketball. Imagine the lineupWilliams
at pointRip at small guardBrewer at Small FowardMilsap at
Power FowardOkur at Center.... Can somebody say championship plus look at
the bench, your loaded at PG with Price, and MaynorThen Korver at the 2,
Kirlienko at the power foward, then koufus who just needs to get more playing
time, and will turn into a new Milsap, Also Matt. Jazz should really do that
trade to get RIP, and the Jazz will be contenders again. Jazz also should make
an offer to BIG BABY from Boston.
There is no true hatred for Mr B... It's just like we're soooo weary of him, his
well earned lack of credibility. I would prefer he spread his particular brand
of Bull in Chicago or (my preference) Siberia..eg Clippers, Memphis, Bobcats
etc. Good luck to whatever team gets him..
is that 1. the Jazz make the playoffs and2. they have a contender
by the playoffs.Trading Boozer in Feb may disrupt continuity but
that is the best hope of creating a championship team. They will
make the playoffs HOU/PHO and NO are going to be weak. If they are
smart, they will let Millsap go and wait to trade Boozer. They will get the
combination of players who can win a championship. Those players will also be
playing well enough by the playoffs to win in the playoffs. Don't
overpay Millsap. He is not a championship PF. He can't beat LA or SA. Be patient and get the right combination of players for the right price at the
right time. Is that so hard? If this were a management case it would
be obvious to undergraduates. Mid season trades have been the
trademark of the best teams lately. The Jazz have nothing to lose by making mid
season trades. Sloan may have to coach a little but that will be good for him.
He might get a ring. He will never get a ring if the Jazz rely on continuity.
everything I needed to hear came from this article about Snoozie. Talking and
trying to push a trade through Chicago MediaI can hardly wait
to let someone else take this disease off our hands
what do i think hey hey hey (goodbye!)we can trade him for a coconut and a
banana peel like ss minnowI am tired of the Snoozer issue. Say
goodbye to him I like David Lee, but i think Tyrus Thomas would work out well,
good athlete and he and Millsap together would be a good tandem....That would be
the scenario to work the best you can rottate them try and keep Paul as fresh as
possible through the long season, and I think we will benefit
Boozer has had injuries it happens. Milsap will be good he needs to learn so
much offensively that boozer can do. #1-Jump shot. #2-Pick & Roll. #3-Post game.
Stuff boozer can do already! Once Milsap gets those down watch out! Plus Milsap
has Defense so sweet! Everyone complains he is too small guess what haters worst
comes to worse we utilize one of our bigger guys when matchup problems happen.
Jazz need to match milsap for sure. Tyrus Thomas would be a good addition and
learn alot from Jsloan because 1 thing coach sloan knows how to do is develop
develop develop players and maximize there potential. Go jazz
As long as he thinks they are trying to place him in a good situation. The Jazz
have always been a decent organization that way. Boozer knows that and can trust
that to a fault.Boozer tends to make all kinds of statements he
should not and has a hard time with the PR game. When he is healthy and willing
to play he is a top 5 PF. Millsap will never be a top 5 PF. I and
the fans love Millsap. However, for the good of the Jazz and it's future it is
best to let Paul go to POR and replace him. The Jazz then need to get the best
possible deal for Boozer. That may take some time. They are in the drivers seat
if they do not panic. By mid season there will be several contenders salivating
over Boozer. There will be several teams slashing costs. 3 or 4 way trades will
be available that are not now. Wait and get maximum value out of
Boozer. Let POR over pay Paul. Rent a back PF until the right Boozer replacement
is found. If only the Jazz would be smart in handling these trades.
Dump Boozer!!! Yes, we need to keep Miles, that guy is a good player! How about
Boozer to Toronto for Chris Bosh!!! There is a trade!
Okur can't creat his own shot. He just stands around the three point line and
waits until someone throws him the ball.
Millsap is if you think he will eventually become a top 5 PF. If you don't then
matching is stupid. Save the 20 million that matching would cost
this year and spend it in the 2010 FA market. Just think of the up grades you
could get for that. AK or Koufos can play Millsap's limited minutes
as a back up. That will speed up K2's development. When you can start both
Koufos and Okur you have a twin tower approach which is far superior to
Okur/Millsap. Boozer can be traded when the right deal comes along.
That should not be linked to Millsap. Matching Millsap kills the
opportunities to get great talent in the mid season fire sales and the 2010 FA
market. Don't drink the Sloan snake oil of continuity. All that does
is insure mediocrity. Sloan and maybe most of the Jazz brass need to be replaced
with people who know how to make this team better by fixing it's weaknesses
instead of trying the same failures over and over. Why doom this
franchise to mediocrity by killing it's only opportunity to actually improve.
Continuity is fairyland mythology.
We need Bruce for defense!
I would just like to remind everyone who thinks Booz is so wonderful. Of why
Karl Malone was so great. While he was out getting 30+ points how many was the
guy guarding him getting? Maybe 6 that is the difference you can't win when
boozer is yelling and playing ole defence. It won't work and that's all he does
and all of his scoring prowess is worthless without defence. The Jazz don't
have trouble scoring even without boozer it's the defense all around that hurts
starting with the interior!
You have a point with the BYU plug, but not with Jazz or Utah. The Jazz have won
multiple division titles and been in the playoffs year after year. They've even
advanced past the first round most of the time. And Utah...they aren't just a
good regional team. Look at what they've done at the national leve in bowls and
against ranked opponents. They are the #1 team from non-BCS conference. If they
were in a BCS conference they'd still be great. Whose side are you on here
I really is all about him, in his own mind. And what's best for his family? I
guess his wife had enough of him.I admire his talent, but not his
leadership and his work ethic.Odom, BTW, is a stud. We'll never get him.
As a fan who wants Boozer to leave. I do not think he faked his injury. The
Fact is that He turns 28 in November. His number are going to decline over the
next 4 years - Like ever other power forward in the NBA. Millsap just turned 24.
Boozer is going to get a huge contract next off season (NYC, New
Jersey, Miami, Houston are going to be 30 million under the cap and Atlanta,
Memphis, Milwaukee, Minnesota, Oklahoma City, Phoenix, Sacramento also have big
money to spend. After James, Bosh, Wade, Stoudemire get signed,
depending on if they go back to their teams. There is going to be a lot of teams
spending to get Boozer. Boozer is going to sign for 13 mill+. That
means Boozer (at 31) Salary in 2012 will be 14 to 15 million while Millsaps (at
27) will be 8 million a year. Millsap will be better than Boozer at that point
in their career. TO KEEP MILLSAP THE JAZZ HAVE TO TRADE BOOZER. It
is not that Boozer is a bad guy, it is that Millsap is the better value.
You people that have this hatered for Boozer need to get a life. He is great
guy sometimes things just don't work out. The hatred on this site is
We are not a tall team with boozer.. a bit shorter without him. I think he'd
look fabulous in a clippers uniform.. Maybe Kaman and a draft pick or two? I'm
sure there a better trades out there.. but I like the idea of send Mr B to
basketball Siberia.. Anybody left in Sacramento? I like the trades allegedly
available in Golden State, but, sigh, Nellie is probably waaaay to smart to do
The Jazz will match for Millsap. Boozer will be traded (for whom, remains to be
seen). I sense that the Jazz organization will view the coming season as kind of
a fresh start, and I'm excited about the team. I think they will get a quality
player in return for Boozer, and that along with the Knicks draft pick next
season, and the possibility of being a player in next seasons free agent market
has me very excited about where this team is going in the next 2 to 5 years.
I love this idea of trading Boozer, but can't we still swap him for TrEe BeaRD
SkUlTZ from the 8th ward all-starz??? I have tried emailing/calling Jerry
O'Connor but he thinks TreE's lanky arms are too much to handle....Todd From
Santa Ana what do you think?
I like the Boozer/miles for Lee idea,because if we lose Boozer and don`t get
anyone to replace him,we`re gonna be in a world of hurt,it`ll be ugly,stop
Williams and Memo,the only 2 guys who can actually find their own shot...and
you`ve stopped us cold
Re: Locke commentsDon't be dense. It's pretty obvious that the
comments are coming from the Boozer camp, not the Jazz. You guys don't believe
anything Boozer says anyway, so bashing Locke for Boozer's comments makes your
credibilty the shakier.Forget Odom. If Booz wants to be a Bull then
get John Salmons from them in the deal. Resign Millsap, let AK and
Kou back him up, and Salmons is that bonified wing the Jazz need, with a rep as
Seriously what is Boozer's problem? First of all he totally dogged the Jazz for
the past three seasons with injury problems or at least the ones he made-up in
his mind and now he has shows his lack of class again to go on a Chicago rado
station to disclose his intentions. What a spinless wonder! And since when is he
a "team leader" and "dominant low post threat"?? I am just thankful the Utah
Jazz have avoided another historic contract mistake by allowing themselves to
sign Boozer for a long term deal. As a Jazz fan I don't think I could stand to
watch another contract mistake like AK or the "one game wonder" Ostertag. See ya
You have got to be kidding me about Locke!? It doens't make sense why would the
Jazz do that and not come out and admit it? The Jazz are a very open
organization that had no reason to do that and then not admit it. Both times
this has been mentioned it has come from Boozer, not exactly the fountain of
truth. "I'm opting out, reggardless I'm getting a raise" then he denied that
too. "I want to be here, I'm a cornerstone here". "I am a starter period". Pardon me if I believe Locke and the Jazz more than Boozer. They have a
better history of telling the truth.
I have nothing against Boozer. I think he's great and has done an awesome job
(when healthy). This is about business. Despite everything, Boozer is likely
to walk next season if we keep him. If we could pick up someone decent for him
now, then let's do it. Otherwise, keep him and expect cap relief next year. I
just don't want to see something like Boozer for Tyrus Thomas. That wouldn't be
a step in the right direction. If we're making a trade, make it a good one.
I hate it when people think who we should get when Boozer is traded. If you were
so smart why arent you a GM in the NBA? And youre also predicting Milsap will be
the best PF we've had. He isnt that great either. Boozer is a lot better than
Milsap its just Milsap hustles and plays hard. If Boozer had Milsaps heart he'd
be the best PF in the league now. I like Boozer as a player. Not the best player
but he is good. Its just NBA players think they are gods greatest on earth.
Milsap is like every other NBA player. Money first. I would be too. Money talks.
Loyalty left the NBA when classic stars like Jordan, Stockton, Robinson retired.
Just cheer for the ones that stay and play. If you dont like it, watch another
Locke is such a Boozer homer and an idiot to boot. For some reason he thinks
that his opinion is the only one that matters and refuses to try and understand
why fans would be frustrated with Boozer. Because of PK and Locke I now refuse
to listen to KFAN anymore.
who will you get in return? If we were on the other side pursuing someone and a
Boozer came along you would all be out of your minds excited. Instead you are
hating on a upper tier player that is the closest thing on the otherside to
creating a Stockton & Malone type of game. Whaterver, he was a great fit for
David Locke is a bigger loser than BBBBOOOZER.
Miles you talked about the Jazz letting Millsap and Boozer walk in order to let
their other bigs develop. Surely you can't be talking about Koufos and Fess
right? Fess will be lucky to be in the league in three years, and Koufos' game
is still raw. I saw every home game of the Flash last season, and I must
say that Jazz fans highly overestimate Koufos' game. He is awful offensively
outside of 5 feet from the basket and gets pounded on the boards. I've never
seen a guy that big struggle so much to get rebounds. He does offer a little bit
of presence defensively because of his size, but both he and Fess would be
devastatingly poor as a replacement for either Boozer or Millsap. I'm not
a big Boozer fan, but the Jazz have to keep him if they're gonna let Millsap
walk, or get value back at the 4. Because outside of Okur, the Jazz have NOTHING
as far as big men go.
The Jazz will not win an NBA title with or without him. Once you Jazz fans come
back to earth (along with BYU and Utah Football fans) and figure out that our
local teams are great regional teams but rarely, if ever, compete with the power
teams, you will all enjoy your teams much more. Embrace your position as good
but not great and you can focus on keeping your children and grandchildren out
of jail and employed. Furthermore, didn't you all know what kind of a guy he was
when he did the same thing in Cleveland? Now you fans start to complain. Ha ha.
I may be one of the few Boozer fans here in Salt Lake. But I think he should go
to another team where he will not be treated so horribly, and he will reward the
fans tremendously. He stopped liking playing here as soon as we lost in the
WCF. That is when the fans here decided to turn on him because of a perceived
lack of defense. He is decent, but needs to play with a defensive player
alongside him to be effective. That is the only problem. Fans here in Utah are
constantly trying to find a scapegoat, some excuse for not being the greatest.
He happens to be it at this time. If the Jazz don't win it all, they will say
that Sloan is the worst coach ever. Neither of my previously stated
arguments are correct, but Jazzland will lambaste me for saying anything that
doesn't stroke their ego.
Wherever Boozer goes, he will be motivated and end up having an all star season.
Jazz will match Portland's offer and keep Millsap, Millsap will then become
uninspired and lazy now that he'll have the big bucks, he will miss the majority
of games and be out of the lineup because he stubbed his toe and has an ingrown
They should trade Boozer to Golden state for a first round draft choice. That
way they could match pauls offer and be under the cap with potential to get 2
Such an amazinq player he is...When he is uninjured. Its sad to see him leave
the team. It seems that he just joinedthe teamnow hes already leaving. They
should qet rid of Faseenko or Brewer. Hopefully he will enjoy playing for
Chicaqobut will miss Utah. How was he supposed to prevent his injuries? I think
what the team needs is a new coach. Sloan is to hard on them.
This is the second time this week that Locke has been contradicted with this
report; this time with a direct quote from Boozer. Locke claimed all day
yesterday that the Jazz never told Boozer anything about his future. KFAN is
losing all credibility in my eyes with their biased reporting.
Let them both go and pursue ODOM, LA isn't giving him the dough he wants we
could get him for 7M, because he would be thrilled to move here. He is better
than Millsap will ever be, both of them disappear at times. I also love C. Booz
for M. Beasley it may not pan out as there is a reason Miami doesn't want
Boozer,Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
I don't care what anyone says, we are not going to the finals without Boozer.
Milsap is not the answer. I love Paul and would love to have him stay as a
backup, but he is not Boozer. If the team as a whole concentrates more on
defense or we could pick up someone like a Raja Bell, we would have a chance to
go further in the playoffs, but we need Boozer to do that. I promise, if we
lose Boozer this year and don't get much in return, it is going to be a gloomy
year for Jazz fans.
Whoooo Hooooooooo!!! OOOOOHHHHHH YYYEEEEAAAAHHH!!! YES YES YES!!!Don't let the door hit you on the way out - it might cause a career ending
when people call boozer loozer. It just never gets old. You see its funny
because his name is boozer and you just change one letter and its loozer!!! it
gets me everytime. Man that is just some rich clever humor.
If you look at both players (Milsap and Boozer) and evaluate them on where they
were when they each played 2 seasons, Milsap's numbers are much more impressive.
We really need to resign Milsap and let Boozer go. Plus there is the issue of
character. Milsap has it and Boozer doesn't. Just watch Milsap as he mingles
with fans, he's still humble and excited to be living the NBA dream Boozer on
the other hand has an obvious sense of entitlement. He has a superstar ego with
While the Boozer vs Millsap debate has been a blast, it's a shame to see folks
not supporting the "team" concept any longer.Utah fans used to be
considered among the best, but now...Bashing Boozer for saying
something stupid is hypocritical, because the ones doing it have said some of
the stupidest things I've ever heard.It's little wonder he doesn't
want to be here anymore. Feelings have obviously been hurt and it's up to the
Jazz management to step up and do what's best for the team.
Hey CBT you also need a player that you can respect off the court too. I don't
think the jazz ever wanted Dennis Rodman suiting up for them even though he
could rebound like nobody's business...
Re:G JonesIf you believe that is true, then you are correct. However the
Jazz have always been a honest organization. From listening to David Locke's
show yesterday (who has friends in the Jazz organization that are very high up)
that conversation NEVER HAPPENED. He got that from at least 2 very credible Jazz
sources that they never told Carlos he was not in the Utah's future plans. If
Carlos wants out so bad he should man up about it and say so, not try and put it
on the Jazz. Carlos could have been more loved than Malone here, but the sad
thing is he couldn't stop burning all his bridges and milking everything. This
is probably one of the saddest stories in Jazz history (from a basketball
perspective). I hope Carlos gets it together in Chicago or Detroit or Miami but
honestly I have my doubts. I just hope at least something positive can come from
the trade. Thanks for the things you did Carlos. I'm very sorry to see it all
end this way.
Boozer and miles,pick up a Tyson Chandler/Chris Kaman type,especially
miles....he NEEDS TO GO
I personally believe having Paul as our primary power foward could be a good
plan in the long run. I sure do hope that Utah trades Carlos to as well, but the
Jazz need to get someone in return who would be willing to make an impact
immediately. Remember the days back in 03-04 when Andrei was averaging 16 pts,
and 8.5 rebs a game, as our power foward, he wasn't very strong as we all know
but he made up for the lack thereof with his quickness, among other things. Matt
was great for us at that time as well, but with age his body has just been worn
down, along with having multiple knee surgeries. He is still a good player for
Jerry's system, I sure hope he doesn't call it a career just yet, I still
believe he has a good few years left in him. Kyle needs to stay with Utah for as
long as possible, we haven't had a good 3 point shooter since Jeff Hornacek
retired, so the Jazz should keep him for at least another two-four years, if he
is willing to commit that long.
Let's face it. This off-season has been hard for business.The Jazz
will never be able to get value for Boozer. He's proven to be unreliable and
everyone knows we want him out. We'll be lucky to get even a good player,
certainly no all-stars are out there for this team.Signing Millsap
will create enormous financial penalties for the team. Huge losses that can
only be made up by revenue increases.Reality is that no team whose
best player is a point guard has much of a chance in the playoffs.Let's see how the Jazz get out of this one.
Really isn't that good, he is just as sketchy as Boozer is.
Boozer is actually handling this with class... He could make trading himself
even harder by going out there and saying that he'd only be happy if was traded
with such and such team. Not only that, but he making himself look good in
other markets, which could only help the Jazz out in a trade scenario. Thanks
Boozer for the assist!
Boozer and Miles to NYC for a sign and trade of David Lee and Mobley and 2 mill
cash (Mobley has a heart condition so he won't be playing anymore. 80% of his
salary will be covered by insurance that mean the Jazz could buy him out for 2
million and 9.5 million comes off the books) Do a Sign and Trade
with Lee for the same amount of money as Millsap - 4 years 32 million, but don't
front load the contract. 7, 7.75, 8.25 and 9 respectively. This means 2010 the
Jazz will be paying 13.5 million on Millsap and Lee - which is the same amount
of money a team will be paying for Boozer - suckers. This gives NYC flexibility
to either sign another free agent or they have the option to signing Boozer.
It takes the Jazz salary down from Boozer and Miles 17.2 million to
17.25 million for Lee and Millsap. Total Jazz Salary 73 million. The Jazz release Harpring at tradeline and they are under the threshold. They
could even offer Jamanio Moon a contract WilliamsBrewerAKMillsapOkurBench - Lee/Korver/Moon/Koufas/Maynor
I couldn't agree more. Jazz fans emotional reaction regarding Boozer have no
basis in fact or logic. I have watched or listened to every single jazz game
for over 10 years. Boozer has been an absolute stud for us when he has been
healthy. Averaging 20 and 10, by definition is consistent, great play. For all you so called Jazz fans who claim he is the worst defending PF in the
game, please back that up with some examples where other teams power fowards
have had carrier games on him. Sure he has problems with Odom and he gets lost
on help defense, but our 2 guards routingly get lit up by opposing 2's. If the
Jazz don't want to risk the luxury tax implications on him because he has been
injured so much and taken so long to come back from injury. I completely agree
with their decision. But trading the guy for nothing, i.e. Tyrus Thomas, would
be a hugh mistake. When healthy, Boozer is an elite big man, with some of the
best post footwork in the game.
RE: CBTYou do have a good point. If other stars think we disrespect our
players it gives SLC a bad rep, but considering Deron Williams is a demi-God
here and we made statues for guys who couldn't quite get over the hump I don't
know how valid that is. If you do the best job you can the fans here will love
you until you are way past your prime. In Boston or LA do they care about their
players? Not unless you win multiple, multiple championships. If you won a ring
here, you'd be set for life. I mean even Stock and Malone have a car dealorship
here and neither of them even live here anymore.Unfortunately most
athletes aren't smart enough to realize that. But the one's that do definetely
get their rewards. The whole Boozer situation has been a sad affair. I really do
wish him the best but it's obvious the best thing is to get rid of him. From
what I've heard he is a class act off the court to fans in person. It's too bad
it didn't work out.
One problem with your theory of letting the other bigs develop is that we have
this supposed Hall of Fame coach who doesn't buy into your philosophy. The only
new players he "lets develop" are those coming from other teams. The Jazz picks
he has "let develop" can be counted on one hand, in spite of his 20+ years with
this team. I agree with you, don't get me wrong, but I just don't
see that happening until someone besides Sloan is in the driver's seat.
Odom is still available.
I think we all know a trade is coming. I don't think it was Boozer's fault he
got injured, but it's hard to get behind a guy who takes ten games off for a
hangnail and takes months off for injuries most players return from after a
couple of weeks. I realize not all power forwards can be Karl Malone, but he
missed one of every three games he was paid to play. I think the straw that
broke the camel's back in the fan's eyes was when he returned from injury just
in time to torpedo the Jazz's season. Sloan tried to ease him in so he didn't
disrupt the Jazz's winning streak, he complained about minutes, played more and
the losses piled up. He's got loads of potential, but I think he's toxic in the
locker-room. He makes the players around him worse and his D is terrible. I'm
not saying Milsap is the second coming of Malone, but at least he won't bring
everyone around him down and he'll play D.
@CBT: Who pays Boozer's salary. The fans. And they want their money's worth
and Boozer doesn't give it to them. Boozer deserves everything that is said
about him as he hides most of the time from the media.
"...I just do not get the vitriol towards him"? 1) Could it have
something to do with the fact that it took him almost a whole season to get over
a pulled hammy, and half of another to recuperate from a deep thigh bruise?
Tough to second-guess soft tissue injuries, but that always seemed a bit
suspicious to me.2) Or do you think it could be because after he
came back this past season and the Jazz were in line for the 5/6 playoff slot,
and he pushed us (or at very least was a significant part...) all the way down
to 8?If fans need to be less hyper-critical, then these
multi-millionaire athletes need to be a bit less hyper-sensitive. They only
live in the cities they play in (with a few exceptions) for half the year
"hopefully I'll do what's best for me as well"- This is the story of
your career, Carlos. It's always been about what's best for you, and not your
team. You lied to the Cavaliers when they tried to do you a favor. You lied to
the Jazz about opting out. Now you're turning your back on the franchise. Good
riddance, get lost you bum. You'll probably pull a hammy when the door hits
your backside on the way out.
Don't be a hater. You had no problems with Boozer when you made it to the
finals. Life is what it is. He has a life outside of the next season to consider
and anyone with any intelligence wants what's best for them. He did absolutely
nothing against the Jazz team and as he said it's a decision that will have to
be respected regardless of the outcome. He opted to stay with the Jazz team but
if "they" want to trade him, don't disrespect him.
From what i am reading, The Jazz do not want Carlos in uniform this coming
season. As much as he gets hurt, who could blame them. The problem I see is
when you appear desperate to trade someone, you don't receive much value back in
return. The Jazz are not in the driver's seat on this one. However, if the
Jazz feel that Millsap can fill the role for them, they will probably let Boozer
go for not much in return. It would be nice if we could find a interior
defender in the trade. Personally I am not convinced that Millsap is the answer
at the 4 due to our record last year with him starting a lot of the season. As
I have said before, I believe it is in the Jazz's best interest to let Boozer,
Millsap walk this year and develop the other bigs. Get rid of Korver, AK and
Harpring next year a build a better defensive team. But honestly we are not in
a good position either way of making it to the finals. Our best chance is with
Boozer on the team. That is, if, he is healthy.
and when no trade happens, he'll flip again. He was just a useless pick up for
us only poisoined the water.
Probably because Booze knows by now that it does not matter what he says in SLC
to the local media, he will get lampooned over it. He is in a no-win position
here in SLC, and I do not blame him for avoiding the Utah media.Booze got us to the WCF on his shoulders. When he was healthy, he was a stud.
injuries were not his fault. Yeah, his comments in December were a mistake,
but I just do not get the vitriol towards him. And all I know is that NBA
players take note of it and it does not help the cause of getting good free
agents to come to town. Fans need to be less hyper-critical.
Carlos says "If it happens, I will be very happy." Whatever Booz. I doubt Carlos
Boozer will ever be happy. But hey Booz, keep telling yourself that there is
gold over the rainbow.
Chicago would be a great fit for you Carlos - your game is all Bull
The Jazz were in the tough position of having to wait for him to make his
opt-in/opt-out decision before working toward a trade. But I'm sure they were
thinking about it since the time Boozer said he'd opt-out. He needs
to go. He's consistently injured and he's inconsistent when he's healthy. He's
a liability and has been lucky to get the contracts he did.Get rid
AND MAKE IT QUICK!!!!!!!! LOOZER!!!!!!!!!
So why is he talking to Chicago media and not Salt Lake media? Oh well, let's
get rid of him.