Fairness of BCS debated

U. president testifies at Hatch oversight committee

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  • Ute Fan in Pacific NW
    July 11, 2009 3:07 p.m.

    All season long last year, we had to endure "experts" on here and everywhere else (ESPN included) saying "this is the week the Utes will lose."

    I recall "experts" posting on the DN site guaranteeing that Bama would win by 14, 21, one guy even promised a 35 point Bama win.

    The Utes creamed Bama and won every opponent they faced. I don't know what it would take for anti-Ute fans to acknowledge they deserved a share of the title last year, but my guess is those folks wouldn't give Utah a fair shake no matter what.

    When your bias is so strong that it blinds you, you're taking it much too serious and you should just move on and find a different sport.

  • Ute Fan
    July 11, 2009 2:35 p.m.

    Even Obama said he was against the BCS system. Sounds like it has bi-partisan support.

  • Scoobie
    July 9, 2009 10:17 a.m.

    REF: Sick and Tired
    Myfriend there are a lot of us who are sick and tired of the BCS...and posters like You. It's not just Utah.

    When you come back from being lost in space... You will find that...though The Great State of Texas has repeatedly threatened to secede from the Union it hasn't yet done so largley due to the Twelve's ties to the BCS....the one truly strong bond that has kept Texas from cutting off it's nose to spite itself. What was that famous line from Officer and a Gentleman......no... Premadonnas doesn't rhyme with Steers..... something to do with the only two things that come out of Texas ...no it wan't peers either.

  • Sick and Tired
    July 9, 2009 9:32 a.m.

    How long do we have to hear Utes cry about the unfairness of the BCS? Five games won by less than a touchdown in a weak conference does not make a national championship team. Utah had a great season. Best in the nation? Hardly.

    If anyone has a right to complain about last season it was Texas. Perhaps UT isn't crying as hard is they know they have a great shot at the next title game. Texas is a national football power. Hookem!

  • Thomas Jefferson
    July 9, 2009 5:56 a.m.

    The Nation is going to hell in a hand-basket and U.S. senators have nothing more important to pursue?

  • BYU Fan
    July 8, 2009 10:26 p.m.

    I think anyone who played as will as Utah did shoud have played in champingion ship game with a 13-0

  • RE: Conejo
    July 8, 2009 7:39 p.m.

    I think Utah-Nebraska would be a good match-up, but I seriously doubt it's a "competition" issue. Nebraska has to get "up" for games EVERY week, Utah has to do that 4 or 5 times a season. That's the arguement for some conferences over others. The MWC is a good conference, but it is fairly top heavy with three teams 1,2, or 3 every season. Other conferences also appear to be top heavy, but are NOT. You have the same powers at the top every year, plus and new team or two at the top.

    I'd also love to see Utah in the Big XII. This issue of undefeated seasons making you the National Champs would go away in a hurry! Powers like OU, Texas, etc... can't go undefeated in the Big XII, What makes you think Utah can???

  • Nebraska's Power Puff Schedule
    July 8, 2009 7:18 p.m.

    The University of Nebraska talked about Utah's Power Puff Schedule. Lets see who whey played.

    Western Michigan--Win
    San Jose State--Win
    New Mexico State--Win
    Virginia Tech--Lost

    Now they did Play

    Texas Tech--Lost

    Anyone can lose to ranked teams!!!!

    Before he starts talking Power Puff schedule he better look at his school. Oh, but his school made big $$$$$

  • Conejo
    July 8, 2009 6:59 p.m.

    "There is realistically something that Utah could do. They could have played the schedule that Nebraska played last year, where we played Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Missouri, all of them ranked in the Top 5," he said."

    I wish Utah's President Young would have said "Then I consider that an official invitation to join the Big 12. We accept!"

    When they restated that they were not inviting Utah to come to their play yard he might then say "And that is the fundamental problem, YOU DON'T WANT COMPETITION FROM OUTSIDERS!"

  • Football fan
    July 8, 2009 5:08 p.m.

    I just hope that BYU and Utah go undefeated until Nov. 28th

  • Are you serious???
    July 8, 2009 4:55 p.m.

    With everything going on in our nation right now, Sen Hatch has the guts to bring up problems with college football??? Are you kidding me? There has got to be more important things to discuss and "solve" than the BCS blunder. Sure a playoff system for the to 8 would be great, however this is not something that Orin needs to be bringing to the table. It is obviously time for him to go. In fact, after 2 terms, they should all be forced to move on.

  • Tax issue
    July 8, 2009 3:49 p.m.

    It's all about money...
    1) Our taxes go to these institutions.
    2) Football revenues are tax exempt because they are part of a university.
    3) Revenues are not fairly split by the BCS conferences. The lowest paid BCS AQ team had more revenue than the highest paid non-AQ BCS team.
    4) BYU and Utah deserve to be in a BCS conference more than many of the bottom dwellers of the BCS. If you look at it BYU and Utah perform in the middle of the pack. Yet because they are not in an elite club chosen by the top teams they lose out big time. The big teams get to choose which middle of the pack teams get huge payouts and which middle of the pack teams get squat.
    5) My tax dollars esentially subsidize the unfair practice and I am on the losing end of the deal.
    6) Stop giving tax breaks to the revenue of BCS teams and I will stop complaining.

  • Mtn West Strength
    July 8, 2009 3:35 p.m.

    I am a Ute fan who will be cheering for BYU against Oklahoma (and most other teams). The majority of my Ute frieds cheer for BYU on a regular basis. It's only in November that I think the TDS can suck it. Hating BYU is only a Thanksgiving tradition.

    I believe the MWC is a stronger conference than most outsiders believe and I am glad when they prove it. I also think Utah and BYU are stonger when the fans stick together (holy war excluded).

  • The Golden Rule
    July 8, 2009 3:27 p.m.

    Those with the gold rule. It's nothing new. That said, who wants to see Bodiddly Tech play in the national championship series? There are a lot of us that don't.

    In March Madness it is fun to see a Cinderella school make it through the first couple of rounds, but we know that the final four are going to be powerhouse teams.

    We want to see the top ranked teams go at it at the end of the season, and that's what we currently get with the BCS.

  • Big 12 fan?
    July 8, 2009 3:11 p.m.

    You are bragging about the same team in Texas Tech that lost to Ole Miss in their bowl game or the Missouri team that squeaked by against Northwestern in their bowl game? Just checking.

  • Really
    July 8, 2009 2:48 p.m.

    For those of you who think more important issues exist - I wholeheartedly agree. The problem is, Obama and our present congress obviously have no clue in sloving the problems. Maybe they can solve this problem and keep their ignorant minds and dirty hands off of our country before more damage is done.

  • Dear Coach
    July 8, 2009 2:46 p.m.

    It is time to stop your buffonic statements and start paying attention to the documented facts, as published for the last several years and so stated by Utah and BYU, the so called "big schools" will not play them. Look at OU, they will not play BYU on a home and home. If they are so powerful, so mighty and in such a select group of football powers they should be able to come into BYU and wipe them clean off the face of the earth and walk away with a nice fat paycheck. They are gutless, spineless and yellow backed chicken blowhearts.
    Cowardly University Presidents.

    I have only seen arrogance like this before and that was with the lying dishonest tobacco companies.

    Who appointed them the Kings of Football. This is designed so that no school except the "favored, annointed" schools can ever win a championship. When BYU won the national title in 84, they set out to ensure that will never, ever, never, ever, never happen again. And they laugh their way to the bank and say, "look at the stupid congress and the stupid Americans. They bought our crock of bull hook line and sinker."

  • NO BS
    July 8, 2009 2:23 p.m.

    I say drop the "C" from BCS and make it the BS championships, lord knows their presidents are full of it.

  • 1+2+3
    July 8, 2009 1:28 p.m.

    A playoff would be the best thing for college football hands down the money that the big schools give up would easily be made up by added revenue, and it would be fair finally for all schools including utah and byu.

  • Howie of WY the Equality state
    July 8, 2009 1:18 p.m.

    Powder Puff schedule, Utah played Michigan, TCU, BYU, and Alabama all ranked schools at the time they played and beat them, Tell the BCS to get real, it is not a national championship until all schools have a chance, - I'm talking playoffs involving all conferences, settle the score on the field or is the BCS "Big Football Powers" afraid, I say yes they are.

  • Strange in America
    July 8, 2009 12:58 p.m.

    I have never seen an issue where so many people, millions in America maybe 90% of football fans are for a playoff and a hand full of people can say no and that's it.

  • re: Fan 9:26 a.m.
    July 8, 2009 12:11 p.m.

    The reason Sen. Hatch is not "working to correct all the real problems we have in America rather than worry about the BCS", is that he's in the minority party. The real problems that need correcting right now are being caused by the majority party.

  • Clearly
    July 8, 2009 12:07 p.m.

    It's a SCAM. When BCS apologists basically state the the system works because "we deserve it", it's obvious.

  • Henry Drummond
    July 8, 2009 11:54 a.m.

    There are many people who feel this is a waste of time and I'm one of them. This is a private organization. It may not seem fair but they aren't breaking any laws. Snap out of it folks.

  • Yes NCAA step up
    July 8, 2009 11:34 a.m.

    The NCAA should just set up a football playoff system and go. Who cares what the bowls do. Who cares what the BCS does. The NCAA could end this debate today. Just set up a 16 or 32 team playoff and start it. Everyone would come and it would be bigger and better than the NCAA basketball tourney (which is crazy awesome)

  • MMcN
    July 8, 2009 11:31 a.m.

    NU president: play our schedule...

    NU's '08 non-conference schedule w/ Sagarin ratings: VATech (18), WMichigan (79), SanJose (105), NMState (146), average rating = 87...

    Utah's '08 non-conference sked: Oregon State (13), Weber (85), Michigan (95), USU (115), average rating = 77.

    Of course NU played Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri in Big12 play and the U played its MWC opponents. But THAT'S THE POINT, isn't it? If you're not in the Big12 or its scheming sisters, you can't qualify, even if you schedule tougher teams in the nonconference schedule (most BCS powers' OOC schedules are notoriously weak.) And Michigan was much tougher when the U scheduled them than they were on the field last year -- you can't say the same about WMichigan, SJSU or NMSU.

  • Greed
    July 8, 2009 10:46 a.m.

    Clearly money rules. It's not about fairness, it's about maximizing profits for the people in charge. It's about power it's about control. Those that have it don't want to lessen their "fair share". I hope the legal system strips the national championship designation of any team that was called the champions when another team finished the year with zero losses. I also believe a playoff system could generate more overall revenue anyway. Can the BCS!!!

  • NCAA Absent
    July 8, 2009 10:31 a.m.

    So to this whole thread I ask "Where is the NCAA"? I don't get it when the NCAA regulates all season play but when the season is over they hand it off to a bunch of . . . what? Who is the BCS anyway? A bunch of fat, good old boys that have their chubby fists wrapped around as much money as they can. Again, where is the NCAA in all this mess?

  • youngjazzfan
    July 8, 2009 10:28 a.m.

    just change the bcs to a playoff tourment that what every other college sport does

  • Scoobie
    July 8, 2009 10:20 a.m.

    REF Anonymous 9:24
    ?????????? FACE IT!!!!!!...What do you mean face it??? Ouote...It is a lot easier to be ranked by the end of the season in the Mountain west then some other conferences...Unquote... With that logic Susie Lou you have completely removed the SOS factor. So if Utah had done the same thing in the SEC which Alabama is one of the major big 4 guns not only in their conference but probably the entire Nation....you are going to insult us with a comment that being in the MWC gives them or BYU or TCU a better advantage. Would you please dwell on those rediculous words for a moment.

    Whoever you are...let me just say that the shape of the ball and how it bounces has a lot more to do with winning games and National Championships then where you wind up in a popularity contest.
    The Ball isn't Round ...in case you hadn't noticed.

  • Scoobie
    July 8, 2009 9:52 a.m.

    .....I need to correct a ambiguity...Make that last sentence in my previuos post read.... if the Non BCS team wins, it takes the Final #4 spot and the previous #4 rotates to the at large birth remaining....in otherwords they swap places. What easier way could there be. This isn't Rocket Science...

    ......but for those so worried about the economy out there...College Football is Big time Interstate Commerece...it's also covered under Federal Gaming Regulations...The FCC plays a substantial role as does the Department of Health & Education. Where in your assine thinking doesn't the Senate and Congress have business investigating antitrust issues. Everything that College sports does effects the entire Nation econamically.....and some a lot unfairer than others.

  • lobo
    July 8, 2009 9:40 a.m.

    To anonymous - Paying taxes to the wrong state? Move to Califonia

  • Colo. Aggie
    July 8, 2009 9:33 a.m.

    Thanks to Senator Hatch for bringing this hearing to the Senate. The BCS is clearly out of bounds and only Congress can correct this. However, now that Senator Hatch has opened these hearings. Something needs to happen. It can't just be a bunch of posturing and then nothing happens. It seems to me that the anti-BCS lawyer presented a strong case. This needs to turn into a recommendation to the DoJ to take action. As far as the current bowl system and TV contracts precluding any type of playoff. This is hogwash!!! The existing bowls could serve as the playoff games. I guarantee that a playoff would generate more revenue for the existing bowls than they are getting today. This alone will make this attractive to the networks to renegotiate existing contracts. This is particulary true for the non BCS bowls which currently host some pretty boring games. Good luck Senator Hatch.

  • Fan
    July 8, 2009 9:26 a.m.

    Why not spend time working to correct all the real problems we have in America rather than worry about the BCS. Sen. Hatch needs to get his priorities in order. Maybe it is time for a change in the Utah rep. to Washington. Lets get real.

  • Anonymous
    July 8, 2009 9:24 a.m.

    Face it. It is a lot easier to be ranked by the end of the season in the Mountain west then some other conferences. In the MWC you play 2 big games a year. I would say 8-12 schools would have gone undefeated with Utahs schedule. For those people that say the big boys will not play Utah well it was Utah that PULLED OUT OF THE TEXAS GAME that was going to be played last year. Utah didn't want to play Texas becasue they knew they would get crushed. OU played TCU and crushed them 35-10 and they were the 2nd best team in the Mountain west. Yes utah played and beat a good but flawed Alabama team. Utah played 3 tough games all year were they had to really get up for. Texas had to go through a 4 game stretch of OU, Missouri, Okalohoma State, and then Texas Tech. Teams can get up for 1 or 2 games a year and pull an upset but when you cant take a week off it is more difficult. Im not a Utah hater but the conference needs to get stronger to gain respect

  • Utah Man
    July 8, 2009 9:23 a.m.

    Congress has more important things to do? Have you been paying attention to what the Congress has done in the last 15yrs? They were debating a "Green" bill a few weeks ago! Does that help the economy? The whole reason for the BCS debate is the MONEY! Football revenues pay for alot more than football on college campuses. It's education dollars that we have no shot at getting. How is that fair? I think you would all become alot more interested in this fairness argument if you realized the impact these dollars can have. Forget Championships for a minute, Urban Meyer knows he has an asterik next to his Championship from last year. The whole point is the MONEY. The University of Washington did not win a game last year and they ended up with more MONEY than UTAH and Utah received about $17 million dollars. Each school shares this money with other schools in their conference. What if BYU & TCU (Which they deserved) had played in a BCS calibur bowl. The MONEY would be tremendous for our conference and OUR schools. GO SENATOR HATCH! GO BYU & BEAT OU! GO UTES! The only "UNDEFEATED TEAM" in America BCS/URBAN!

  • Isn't it logical?
    July 8, 2009 9:20 a.m.

    Ok, I get it that people will say Utah played a soft schedule. They beat some good teams, but it took a lucky bounce here and there to get two of the tough wins. I have two responses for that.

    First, did anyone see the Florida v. Alabama game? How do you think Florida won that?

    Second, Utah BEAT Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. Basically, that validates the undefeated season regardless of how lucky some wins were. The Alabama win was a savage beat down with luck not playing any part in it. Utah proved they deserved to be there, if not even proving they deserved Florida. Stop complaining about the Strength of Schedule. The win over Alabama invalidates that argument.

  • Separation of Powers
    July 8, 2009 9:17 a.m.

    If there is fraud or unfair practice in the BCS system (and I believe there is reasonable argument to such), it should be settled in the courts. Congress has no business holding "trials" - a judicial function.
    The three branches of the government need to get back in line. Congress should not judge or execute orders. The President should not judge or legislate (signing statements, executive departments, etc). And the courts should not execute orders or legislate.
    We the people should hold them accountable by electing representatives that understand the proper role and Constitutional role of government.
    Let this BCS matter be solved, but let it be solved properly.

  • Sammy
    July 8, 2009 8:59 a.m.

    Rugby is a better sport. Way too much attention is spent on football.

  • Scoobie
    July 8, 2009 8:58 a.m.

    The problem is the approach...All that is happening now is just spinning wheels and wasting time which the BCS knows they have plenty of time to do. This approach is actually delaying any possible progress. For Sen Hatch and the MWC conference are trying to bite off too big of a chunk in suggesting anything over a 4 team playoff. A 16 team playoff will never happen...The major conference ties, & TV contracts with not only the 4 major bowls but all the subsiderary bowls as well, will pretty much kill that approach. And for even an 8 team playoff there is going to have to be an awful lot of leveling done before that can happen...years down the road.

    You have got to go at the BCS one piece at a time. When there is an undefeated non BCS team standing at the end of regular season play there needs to be a Wild Card added to the Championship Deck. Suggest a resonable compromise and go for a 4 team playoff with the Undefeated NonBCS team put up against the #4 team in the BCS poll before final selection. Winner swaps places in final selection Poll...Simple

  • Wasting our tax dollars
    July 8, 2009 8:54 a.m.

    Hatch's grandstanding BCS "hearing" just exemplifies the warped sense of priorities among the ruling elites in Washington.

    Some schools spend huge sums on SPORTS, and sports rivalries are fun and games (literally) for hordes of fans and alumni. But they are not things that the federal government has the least business regulating, investigating, or "fixing" in any way.

    Hatch would better serve Utah if he used the time to plot strategy and take action to thwart Obama's destruction of the American economy, or block confirmation of Obama's nomination of zealous extremists to numerous position.

    Why can't Hatch investigate something really important like ACORN corruption, voter intimidation, the failure of the "stimulus" pork barrel, or even the corrupt actions of Congressmen like Murtha, Jefferson, and others?

    Nope, gotta waste time and money sucking up to home state voters because a football team got their feelings hurt, and no national title.

    These clowns do not even read the bills they vote on, but want to fix football championships!

  • Anonymous
    July 8, 2009 8:40 a.m.

    I want playoffs. Can you imagine December madness? It would be great.

  • Anonymous
    July 8, 2009 8:25 a.m.

    If a BCS school plays only other BCS schools (i.e., conference), and that conference stinks, they still get the benefit from which non-BCS schools are excluded. Comparing schedules is ridiculous. Non-BSC schools frequently beat BCS schools. The only way to see if non-BCS conferences can compete with BCS schools is to play more, not rely on an out-of-date model. The bottom line is that DOJ will need to enforce anti-trust laws or Congress will need to enact legislation. I don't think the political side will allow either to happen, part because the BCS has influence with a large part of Congress, and in part because there are bigger problems to deal with. The BCS ain't going to change the status quo. So, Orrin, find a real solution. Will it go away now you have had your hearing?

  • Anonymous
    July 8, 2009 8:09 a.m.

    All of the MWC teams need to win their out of conference games. that includes all teams. I do want BYU to beat OU, and I am a life long U fan. and FSU. Utah needs to beat Oregon and Louisville. But they also need to beat their other out of conference opponents (like San Jose St, Utah St, etc). As far as the rivalry, every game should result in a conference title for the winner. And hopefully it will be Utah.

    The BCS is far better than the old bowl system. Utah would have played Arizona last year if the old bowl system was in place. I am on t he fence with a playoff system, just because I have no faith that the SEC, Big 12, Big 10 or Pac 10 (ACC and Big east are not relative) will force the structure of it in a manner that produces similar results to the BCS. I could see a MWC or WAC team having to travel east to play road games in two consecutive weeks, which is a huge disadvantage, regardless of what their record was.

  • Utah's non-conference schedule?
    July 8, 2009 7:54 a.m.

    Look at Utah's schedule . . . does BYU have to carry all the water for this cause?

  • Cats
    July 8, 2009 7:37 a.m.

    This BCS justification is a MASS OF RATIONALIZATION. The reason Congress is involved is because there is anti-trust violation and there is a great deal of money at stake.

    Senator Hatch is doing a good job representing the interests of the schools in Utah. Let's have a play-off system and then let the chips fall where they may.

  • Name
    July 8, 2009 7:21 a.m.

    "If you ask a decent group I'd guess maybe MAYBE 20% will be cheering for the Y, the other 80 for Oklahoma."

    You are right and that is the reality of the rivalry, fortunately whether or not any Ute fans 'cheer' for BYU, it is irrelevant to the outcome.

    Though I'm sure, like myself, the true majority of Ute fans would appreciate a cougar win. The conference needs BYU to beat OU and FSU - TCU to beat UV and Clemson - and my Utes to beat Oregon and well Oregon.

  • B
    July 8, 2009 7:21 a.m.

    The government is involved in MLB, NBA, NFL, and NCAA because these industries have antitrust exemptions, thus the government has a right to regulate these industries. If you want to be in an industry that has an antitrust exemption, you play by the government's rules.

  • Sham
    July 8, 2009 6:44 a.m.

    All of this interest is based on the false idea that sports are fair and the best team wins. From elementary playgrounds to little league through high school, college and professional sports, there is no fairness, the best teams do not always win and yet millions of Americans have nothing better to do than spend their life glued to the TV or spending outrageous fortunes attending live games.

    Sports are not fair, life is not fair, spend your time with something productive, get a life!

  • Savant
    July 8, 2009 1:07 a.m.

    Why is Congress involved? Because college football is a big money business. Any other industry would have been called on the carpet and corrected a long time ago.

    And some of you people on here slamming the Utah schools and their cush schedules were the same ones predicting a 35 point Alabama win in the Sugar Bowl. Don't think we've forgotten.

  • Will Smithrock
    July 8, 2009 12:08 a.m.

    Senator Hatch is sadly misinformed and is wasting everyone's time for even pursuing this. The only effect it will have, if the BCS were to be abolished, is a return to the old bowl system. Actually, that wouldn't be that bad. An undefeated or 1-loss BYU or Utah would still have a good shot at being invited to the Fiesta Bowl, and possibly the Holiday or Cotton Bowl. A playoff would ruin Division 1-A college football, plain and simple. I'll take the BCS any day over a playoff. Were it not for the BCS, Utah would have likely played in the Fiesta or Holiday Bowl last season, instead of Alabama in the Sugar Bowl.

  • Tomcat
    July 7, 2009 11:37 p.m.

    Every other college sport has a national championship playoff system. The Division 2 and 3 colleges have a playoff for a national championship. It is just not right to tell the athletes at all the non-Bcs schools that they are not good enough, before the first coin toss of the season. Maybe the president will give us a Bcs Czar.

  • MWC
    July 7, 2009 11:25 p.m.

    You are a sad strange conference and you have my pity.

  • Some very Uneducated people!
    July 7, 2009 10:33 p.m.

    Sometimes you wonder why some people post on the message board. Saying Utah's wins over top 25 teams were not impressive because the anonymous poster feels those top 25 teams were over-rated. Get a life! Others saying Congress has more important things to worry about? Like what, Congress has not done anything in years! "Or football is boring, it should be illegal" I guarantee that was posted by a soccer fan. YAWN. If you don't care about the topic don't read it. We are all dumber for reading your comments!

  • MONEY?
    July 7, 2009 10:13 p.m.

    Did Utah give the money back they were paid for being in the BCS last year?

    As per the National Championship, in the old system they would have no better of a shot then they did in the BCS. True one poll is obligated to vote the winner of the BCS game, but the other is NOT!

    I'm not sure of the legal aspects of the Sherman Anti-trust laws, but I'm sure it's a "stretch" interpretation by Hatch and others to make some noise and gather a few votes. I love football and I agree there are issues with the system... BUT... I'd rather see Congress and others spend time on issues more 'pressing' to our Nation. Removal of the BCS will not change our economy. Removal will not help the homeless. Removal will not improve our education system. Removal will not....

  • Nebraska Fan
    July 7, 2009 9:55 p.m.

    The BCS is one of the worst things going on in this country!

  • Anonymous
    July 7, 2009 9:32 p.m.

    It's called anti-trust law. Any "conspiracy" to control money is illegal in the United States. When the worst team in a BCS conference earns more than the best team in a non-BCS conference, when millions of dollars are at stake, it smells like anti-trust.

  • re: Ute Fan at 8:37
    July 7, 2009 9:11 p.m.

    As a BYU fan, I agree. It's very important for the Y to win that game. Now, go around to your fellow Ute fans and poll them and ask how many will be cheering for BYU that game. If you ask a decent group I'd guess maybe MAYBE 20% will be cheering for the Y, the other 80 for Oklahoma.

  • Eugene
    July 7, 2009 9:10 p.m.

    Come, on, Anonymous, wake up and do your homework!

    If during any congressional hearing Congress were to discover a violation of a federal statute (i.e. the Sherman Anti-Trust Act) they can send a referral to the Attorney General's office requesting an investigation of wrongdoing. Factfinding hearings are part of the congressional duties ever since the beginning of this nation.

    The BCS failed to support their position and truly reflected their level of arrogance and elitism towards the non-BCS members. The anti-trust lawyer for the Mountain West was hugely successful in his argument in favor of investigating the BCS.

  • Anonymous too
    July 7, 2009 9:06 p.m.

    Congress has NO responsibility in this matter. It has MORE IMPORTANT things to worry about, don't you think?

  • Anonymous
    July 7, 2009 8:51 p.m.

    Ok, I get it. The BCS is unfair. What gives Congress the right or responsibility to make them be fair? Under what Constitutional provision does the Senate have authority here? I don't remember seeing football in the Bill of Rights, or in article 1, section 8. Must have missed that one.

  • Lets focus on the right argument
    July 7, 2009 8:41 p.m.

    The lack of opportunity to play in the BCS "championship" game should never be used to lead off the attack on it. At most, winning that argument would only require the BCS to stop using the word "championship" or "title" to describe its arbitrary, popularity-contest selection of two teams at the end of the regular season (and, in that vein, it is worth remembering that a judicial dissolution of the BCS probably would not get us any nearer to the only legitimate solution to the "championship" dilemma--a genuine playoff established and run by the NCAA). The best anti-BCS (not to mention anti-trust) argument is the fact buried several paragraphs into the article and cited almost as an afterthought: Utah received less BCS money than Washington last year. That, in a nutshell, is why the BCS stinks. It is a form of sports apartheid because it is explicitly designed to hoard the lions share of the bowl money within the privileged BCS conferences.

  • Anonymous
    July 7, 2009 8:40 p.m.

    It's all about the money, not schedules or championships! The fact that the poorest teams in BCS conferences earned more revenue than UofU is going to cause the BCS a lot of problems.

  • socalmon
    July 7, 2009 8:38 p.m.

    Perlman said "the six major conferences are stocked with better teams that attract bigger TV audiences. And none of these conferences is willing to simply give away the money they could be making if they went out on their own". Mr. Pearlman revealed his hand and the truth. It's all about the money. One need look no further than that of Notre Dame. It's all about the number of the fan base, with the associated money-making potential of sponsers. Whether Notre Dame wins or loses, they are garaunteed TV coverage EVERY WEEK, due to the fan base. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure-out that the same thing applies to the old stand-bys, i.e., your Michigans, Floridas, Oklahomas, USCs, etc. They also have huge fan bases and therefore more money-making potential. College athletics has become a quasi-professional entity. You will NEVER see your U.of U.s, Boise States, Marshalls, South Floridas, etc., EVER become a serious BCS contender. It is very unfortunate, and I am personally a USC fan. The U. of U. got ripped-off.

  • Ute Fan
    July 7, 2009 8:37 p.m.

    This is why BYU needs to beat Oklahoma this fall...any Ute fan that doesn't see that is shooting a hole in our own ship. They said if the MWC shows up in the next few years we'll be part of the BCS. Then we'll be just like these fat cats and we won't care it's not a fair system cuz we'll be part of it!

  • Ranked?
    July 7, 2009 8:16 p.m.

    By stating that Utah played ranked teams I assume you are talking about the smell. The y and TCU were so over rated it was embarrasing. The Utes lucked out a couple of games against average teams. Certainly not a national calibar season.

  • Anonymous
    July 7, 2009 8:12 p.m.

    "Mommy! I didn't get picked.'

    "Nanny government will make it right."

  • Eugene
    July 7, 2009 7:43 p.m.

    I just watched part of the hearings on the Internet. After making his opening Chairman remarks, Democratic Senator Kohl turned the gavel over to Senator Hatch . . . AND LEFT!!!!! Then when the panned out to see the whole room . . . there were NO SENATE COMMITTEE MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE, ONLY SENATOR HATCH IN THE CENTER OF THE HEAD TABLE!!! Only senate pages were found behind their absent senator's chairs!!

    That alone tells me we could have solved the whole deal amicably, but nothing will still happen since the SENATE COMMITTEE MEMBERS DID NOT CARE ENOUGH TO EVEN ATTEND THE MEETING!!!!

    If this is how the federal government works, kick 'em all out of office!

  • Scoobie
    July 7, 2009 7:26 p.m.

    What a shame that one of the most brilliant Legal minds in the entire country lives right here in Utah.... but because he has a Higher Calling he will not be brought into this issue. Sen Hatch...You could still get some very good guidence and legal advice from Dallin H. Oaks....after all he does have some old ties to this mess. The Justice Department quickly backed down on Title IX when he was selected to Represent the Church and BYU against the DOJ"S precedent case. To have him up against the BCS would be a cakewalk in comparison...that is unless the DoJ is on the BCS take and has their hands in their pockets.

  • U. Student
    July 7, 2009 7:21 p.m.

    I am proud to attend a university that has Michael K. Young as president. What a fantastic job he did. And that anti-BCS antitrust lawyer was much more fiery and persuasive than the other guy(and it helps when you have truth and common sense on your side).

  • Eugene
    July 7, 2009 7:15 p.m.

    As a BYU fan, way to go Mr. President of Utah!! I totally support your comebacks.

    The rich don't want to allow anyone else to belly up to the bar since that would cut into their profits. Also, how often do the "lower tier" prove their worth against the big teams? Often!!

    It's time to turn the BCS "Go for the gold" into "Share the wealth"! Wow, that sounds familiar politically-speaking, did I just say that? (I'm gonna have to turn in my conservative membership card!)

  • Darwinism at it's best.
    July 7, 2009 7:06 p.m.

    The BCS just told us what we need to do...now for sure they will see that we never get it done. Good bye to playing BCS teams in our OOC schedules down the road but hey....now they will be able to Patsy up and take on more of the the Slippery Rocks and the Moorehead States.... What a crock

  • UtahFan
    July 7, 2009 6:09 p.m.

    Excellent arguments from President Young and Senator Hatch.

    When organizations fail to follow the law, government has a responsibility to get involved. Follow the laws - if your can't the governement will get involved. It can't be any simpler than that. The Sherman Antitrust Law must be enforced.

  • RE: Coach
    July 7, 2009 6:04 p.m.

    IF there were NO BCS schools then WE could compete equally and fairly with all tier 1 football teams, on the field and in recruiting.

    NONE of top local recruits would any reason to go to USC, oregon, or notre dame,

    and natioanl recruits would just much reason to come her as anywhere else.

    IT a joke that we are supposed take what ever recruits we can get, even though many of the best will not come here because it is NOT BCS, and we are supposed to compete with the BCS schools, even many will not even play the local teams and certainly not IN Utah,

    and then they get all money and best TV contracts, so they have all best facilities, and are on the BIG national cables channels etc,

    and we suppose to compete against that?

    So there is a reasonable complaint for the lack of fairness in the system.

  • BYU Fan
    July 7, 2009 5:53 p.m.

    It's amazing such an elitest mentality and outright arrogance is seen as a reputable response to a clear complaint. The cards are stacked against the "lower tier" conferences without a down being played.
    President Young was spot on when he said, "I wish some of those teams would play us."
    The upper tier schools don't want to play BYU or Utah or TCU (Oklahoma being an exception) because they know there's a very good chance they will lose.
    This is an issue that all BYU, Utah, TCU, Utah State, anyone in a non-BCS conference should rally around.
    Utah should have played for the NC. They couldn't have done anything more. Clearly the Nebraska gentleman didn't check his facts claiming Utah's schedule was weak. He just made his argument look worse.
    Good luck Sen. Hatch. I'd love to see you sue these guys....

  • Utah Cougar
    July 7, 2009 5:42 p.m.

    Anonymous- Why are you even reading this article.
    tings- This is the government's responsibility. College Football is a business, the same as AIG, Lyman Brothers, Microsoft etc. They need to be regulated. In the 14th amendment we as US citizens are guaranteed the equal protection of the law, and that includes unfair and illegal practices. This same amendment is how we overturned segregation in schools. Now lets end this segregation of "lesser colleges", or would you propose we go and join Weber State's league and just win their little championship every year?

  • Anonymous
    July 7, 2009 5:14 p.m.

    i'm paying taxes in the wrong state.

  • The old system was better
    July 7, 2009 5:09 p.m.

    At least back then the national championship was determined after all the bowl games were over. Now it doesn't even matter if you have identical records the title game determins the National Champion. No matter how good you look in your bowl game or no matter how good your record is your locked out.

  • Anonymous
    July 7, 2009 5:02 p.m.

    Football is boring. Make the whole sport illegal.

  • tings
    July 7, 2009 5:01 p.m.

    I know a lot of people are going to say that the government should use their time and resources in other endeavors. But i sure am glad they are doing this. This is the biggest crime in sports and must be changed. I wish Auburn would get on board with the Mountain West because of what happened to them a few years ago but they are getting payed anyways.
    I just dont understand what happens if the government rules against the BCS. How soon would they be forced to change?

  • Well..
    July 7, 2009 5:00 p.m.

    all I can say is, "good luck."

  • Coach
    July 7, 2009 4:57 p.m.

    Attention Utah Schools...It's time to stop whining and start winning against tier one schools, EVEN IN THE PRE-SEASON!

  • Self-fulfilling prophecy
    July 7, 2009 4:56 p.m.

    Good job, Dr. Young. Way to try to expose the BCS for what it is. These hearings remind me of when tobacco executives were getting grilled by Congress - they know what they're doing is wrong, but they're trying to save their jobs anyway.

    It's easy to say that non-BCS teams need to "schedule up", but the fact is not a lot of top-5 teams will play one because they have nothing to gain from it. The BCS saying that the lesser schools need to play them more often, while at the same time refusing to do so, is self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Bottom line: If Utah 2008 would have had a BCS name on their helmets, and everything else were equal, they would have been playing for the national championship.

    Side note: Utah played a tougher schedule than Florida last year - just look at how many top 25 teams each one played. So there goes that argument.