Utah Jazz select VCU guard Maynor with pick No. 20

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  • Eric Moutsos
    Aug. 12, 2009 7:31 p.m.

    Eric Moutsos said: Do the jazz really need another guard??? really people???

  • Eric Moutsos
    Aug. 3, 2009 9:10 p.m.

    Eric Moutsos said: Anyone think a center would be the best idea for the Jazz? Anyone???

  • Eric Moutsos
    Aug. 2, 2009 3:37 p.m.

    Eric Moutsos Says: Jazz need a center.... until then... everything will probably stay the same.

  • Eric Moutsos
    July 30, 2009 11:20 p.m.

    Eric Moutsos says: Jazz just need a center... when they find one..... We will win.

  • Eric Moutsos
    July 29, 2009 10:01 a.m.

    Let's just hope he has what it takes

  • If Boozer or Okur leave?
    June 27, 2009 8:02 p.m.

    I don't think they will as the market is as dry as the Salt Flats. If they do leave, the Jazz will get by until they can get a better replacement.

    Koufos is fully capable starting at C if necessary or playing back up PF until the Jazz can swing the player they want. I think Suton could start at C if necessary. He just needs to learn the offense.

    The Jazz will probably make the playoffs with out one of Boozer or Okur since PHO is melting down. In other words they would do not worse than last year.

    With both Okur and Boozer they will do no better than 4th or 5th and that is assuming HOU does not get it together.

    It is time to figure out how to get a team that can challenge LA and SA. That team is not lead by Boozer, Okur, or Millsap.

  • Hollywood
    June 27, 2009 11:58 a.m.

    Please...for those critical of the Jazz, who was the dominant center available at #20 we could have picked? Mullens?

    After Mullens, there were only 4 players at least 6'10" picked: Norel, Suton, Elonu and Dozier. Blair is listed as a PF but he's only 6'6." I'd rather have Millsap.

    PG was a HUGE need. Price and Knight are unrestricted FA's. Knight won't be back (thank heavens) and although the Jazz have stated they want to resign Price, what if he gets an offer elsewhere and decides to leave?

    Do we then go out and get a player similar to Hart, Knight or McLeod to run the team behind Deron? And what if Derom misses a few games?

    You need three decent PG's. Maynor and hopefully Price give the Jazz some solid backups behind Williams.

    The draft was terrible in terms of big guys, but deep in PG's. Jazz had a solid, if unspectacular draft. They got a backup PG, and a player that has the potential to be like Millsap was in his rookie season - i.e. come in and give Utah 10 mins of tough play and rebound like crazy.

  • WAIdahoFan
    June 27, 2009 8:59 a.m.

    This is the most disappointed I've been about a draft in a long time. Kevin O'Connor seems to be in la la land about our need for a power forward and there is a possibility that we could be without one when the season starts.

    Instead, he glowingly talks about a point guard that is going to work limited minutes behind Deron Williams. There were some tough power forwards still on the board when they selected Maynor. And what are we going to do when Boozer follows the money trail and leaves the Jazz?

  • Josh
    June 27, 2009 8:35 a.m.

    You guys are getting a very solid player in Maynor. The guy can run a team with confidence and he's fearless. I think he's going to be a player in this league for a long time. Good pick.

  • winVCUrams
    June 27, 2009 8:28 a.m.

    Curious about your new draftee? He's a great leader with no fear. Best single place I've seen to get to know what kind of player our beloved Eric Maynor is, check out what draftexpress has to say.

    View several of the videos, not just the Combine video, read the articles for balanced views (no ties to draftexpress; I work for VCU, one son went to VCU, and I love VCU Basketball!).

    UTAH JAZZ!!! My New Favorite NBA Team!!! I'm going out to get a hat because I am confident Eric will see playing time and you will not be disappointed by season's end!

    P.S. Everybody remembers Duke, but our finest hour was the next game when we came from 18 or 19 points behind to take #3 seed Pittsburgh to overtime!

  • BP
    June 26, 2009 6:47 p.m.

    The draft is a crap shoot, and you have to go with a proven player over an unproven one. I actually think BJ Mullens could become the pick that everyone wished they'd made in 5 years, but at this point he's a risk because of how raw he is.

    I'm OK with the Maynor pick, because we do need another clutch guard to "MAKE" shots and "CREATE" shots. You can never have too many of these type players. Maynor is a Stud with the ball in his hands. My only concern is that he becomes too good and we can't afford to pay him and keep him as a Backup. This guy will fill the Howard Eisley role of the Stockton years, but he has Star potential that Eisley never had.

    All in All: no logical reason to complain about the pick. Pendergraph or Blair might have been better for short term needs, but Maynor has the "MOST STAR POTENTIAL" which is what you look for in the draft. If you draft ONLY to fit a need, then you miss out on potential STARS and potential TRADE BAIT! GOOD PICK.

  • awsomeron
    June 26, 2009 6:45 p.m.

    Maynor appears to be a Solid Dependable Player, with No Deep Baggage, or huge side story.

    Solid Dependable Players can become Great Players who have long careers. John Stockton comes to mind, as does Gail Goodrich. Dan Marley and others.

    Most people not on the inside, know the names of very few players because they only get what the Media Provides.

    I am far out of it (and intend to remain so), that I stopped paying attention after the Suns Drafted Bayer Forest in the 1st Round and gave him a No Cut Contract. Fat Geeks where CB Kings of their Base Stations, in their mothers basement.

    So Hall of Fame Careers have been played and I have paid No Attention. Living on an Island, Helps.

    My Foster Kids are into Sports so in the last year some has leaked over. I renewed my SI Subscription (spendie) and am better informed.

    The oldest one was a 2nd string all State,2 Guard, best player on a losing team. Made up of 7 Guards and 5 guys who just wanted to play. I think he can walk on to a Division 3III School and make a Team.

    Mostly they had fun.

  • the Mailman
    June 26, 2009 6:37 p.m.

    If they had to get a point guard it should have been Patrick Mills, he would have shown this town what it means to play hard every night.

    Hang on, no sorry, he would have spent nearly the whole season on the bench or in the D League, just like Maynor will. My bad.

  • Brevin Knight is the
    June 26, 2009 5:10 p.m.

    epitomy of the Jazz offense. He can pass but he can't shoot. The Jazz live and die on thier inside game. Go to 82games and look at the stats. You beat the Jazz inside.

    Pack the Paint, Jam the Lane and you can beat the Jazz most of the time. It does not take great strategy or great talent. Less than average teams beat the Jazz with regularity on the road.

    Sloan has known this is a big weakness of his approach for years. He has never adjusted it. There are reasons why he has no ring. His approach to the game is flawed.

    Do you think Phil would have X titles if he did not learn from his mistakes?

    Why do you think the players turn it on and off. Why bust your end for 48 minutes if the approach is flawed. Stay close and turn it on at the end. You get paid the same and Sloan is not going to trade you as long as you do it his way.

    There are coaches who could take the Sloan system and open it up and win. If you have an inside and an outside game you win.

  • Anonymous
    June 26, 2009 5:02 p.m.

    I heard Memo Okur opts out - Jazz let him go

    If Boozer does not opt out - Trade him for Kwame Brown - who comes off the books next year.
    This allows only eats 8 million of their 22 million cap so they can go after a couple other free agents (Gordon).


    The Jazz offer Korver and Miles to LA Clippers for Camby. This give them a shooter and a slasher and opens time for Griffen to play.

    Trade Harpring and resign Collins to a 3 million deal with only .5 million is guarenteed and trade them both to Golden State for Magette. GS is trying to cut salaries. Both contract expire and it save him 2.5 million. It's writing Collins a half a million dollar check to do nothing - he won't play.

    Offer mid level exception to the following players

    Ariza (restricted)
    David Lee (restricted)

    Williams/Maynor/Price -15million
    Magette/Brewer - 11million
    AK/Artest - 23million
    Millsap/Koufas/Suton - 9
    Camby/Brown/Fess -12million

    70 million under the cap.

  • @Oregon&buncha
    June 26, 2009 4:55 p.m.

    The reason the Jazz have 3 Okur clones is Sloan and his approach to his system. That is by design. I am beginning to beleive that the Sloan system (at least run by Sloan) can not produce a championship.

    It is capable of getting into the playoffs (with 3 Olympic players, 4 if you count Okur and 5 if you count Koufos on their national teams) on a regular basis, but it gets overwhelmed in the playoffs. It is designed around Boozer and Boozer can't beat SA or LA or a lot of good teams in a 7 game series.

    Utah has few outside shooters by design. Okur and Korver have special plays. Brewer is designed to be a slasher. The Lakers (all teams) can cheat on the outside shooting because Sloan does not believe in doing any more outside shooting than he has to. Further, he does not draft and will not play outside shooters.

    His offense is designed to pass until he can get an inside shot or run out of time and take a desparation fling.

    Get a different coach and balance the offense and you might win more games. His defensive strategy is also flawed.

  • @Sports
    June 26, 2009 4:46 p.m.

    The rumor is that Price is mad at Sloan for playing Knight all season. Further, he wants 5+ mill to sign with the Jazz.

    That might be why Sloan is making nice and claiming to have made a mistake.

    To me Price is spare parts. He is not central to the Jazz. He is replaceable. He ran the team poorly early in the year. He is okay for short periods and sometimes shoots well. When he shoots well he also plays PG well. He is undersized for a SG.

    The Jazz can do better than Price and especially for 5 mill. I don't care if Sloan loves him. He is easily replaceable and we need a SG who can shoot and defend reliably.

  • @Miles
    June 26, 2009 4:37 p.m.

    We don't hate CJ. We want him to live up to his potential.

    We also know that can't happen totally until Sloan(actually Johnson) starts creating some plays for him.

    CJ needs to improve his rebounding and get into the mix more. He also needs to improve defense. I don't care if he starts as long as he plays well. He has the potential but it is not happening.

  • Baaaaad Comments
    June 26, 2009 4:37 p.m.

    There are some seriously bad opinions being posted on this story. These must be the Cougar Jazz fans.

  • buncha geniuses
    June 26, 2009 4:09 p.m.

    the jazz went down to LA because they could not make use of the middle due to lakers guards cheating off the non shooters. So Price can shift over where he truly belongs...2 guard, and back up the point when necessary. It is so easy to conduct an armchair draft...but a lot of "sure things" are watching from the same chair as me, while some "stupid choices" are playing out brilliant careers. The big issue is clearing up all the confusion with the bigs and finding an FA or two.

  • Play our youngsters!
    June 26, 2009 3:58 p.m.

    Play Koufus at back PF/C. Play Maynor as backup PG. Re-sign Almond have him play back-up Sg. We need to start mixing up our lineup with new energy players that want to prove something.

  • Stud!
    June 26, 2009 3:49 p.m.

    Go youtube Eric Manyor and watch the Last 2 Minutes of the CAA Tourney against George Mason he will help the Jazz! I love the pick

  • The Jazz need the second
    June 26, 2009 2:09 p.m.

    coming of Malone. He set the tone on offense and defense for the Jazz. Boozer is a finesse player who does not play defense. That sets the tone for the rest of the team.

    Sloan designs to much of the offense for Boozer which makes the situation worse. The Jazz need a more balanced attack. The also need player changes.

    Boozer is a great offensive player. However, the Boozer/Okur experiment will not take the Jazz to the next level. It can't be fine tuned.

    There needs to be a change in team character and coaching strategy.

    I tend to agree with Todd. The Jazz need to start planning and shaping the roster for when Sloan is gone. A new system will require different players with a different set of skills.

    The Jazz players at the moment are either over paid or have major weaknesses in each of their games. Those problems need to be addressed.

    More than anything there needs to be a change in the team culture to one of winning on the road and hard nosed defense. That can happen before Sloan leave if KOC and Miller make it happen.

  • Oregon Jazz Fan!
    June 26, 2009 2:04 p.m.

    Despite all of that has been written, the Jazz will continue to make the playoffs but will NEVER be a championship team, EVER! What needs to change? Get a solid center (Jazz have never, ever had a solid center). And Sloan needs to go! No matter how good our players Sloan is no Phil Jackson, never has and never will and Sloan doesn't have the true apptitude to coach a championship team. Last year the Jazz (& Sloan) had 3 Olympic Team players (Boozer, Williams, Kirilenko) and still can't get past the first round in the playoffs. Pathetic! Oh and Sloan has coached the Jazz for 20+ years and still NOT ONE championship, how many has Phil Jackson attained in that same time span? Bottom Line: Get a solid center, keep the players we have and get a coach who wants to win a championship and knows how to do it, then the Jazz will become the franchise of champions!!!

  • East Coast Fan
    June 26, 2009 2:03 p.m.

    Good heavens Jazz fans. Do your homework before you comment. We had a heckuva draft. Well done on Maynor KOC. I too am more worried about the Jazz fans than I am about the pick. Blair is an under-developed Paul Millsap with no ACLs. Why did we want him again? Read what others are saying about this pick. Let's stay healthy and see what we can do.

  • Sports Talk Yahoos
    June 26, 2009 1:57 p.m.

    What the Jazz do: Carry three point guards for the past two decades.

    What the Jazz are saying: They are going to carry three point guards as usual, and Maynor will have a great opportunity to learn behind Deron Williams and Ronnie Price.

    What several local sports talk yahoos are saying: The Jazz are only going to keep two point guards and this pick means Ronnie Price is gone.

    Do these guys realize what making such statements does to their reps? I hear a few obviously wrong comments like these and I just quit listening. If they are completely wrong about something this easy, how can I take seriously their other comments?

  • RE: Deron
    June 26, 2009 1:55 p.m.

    Deron, would you happen to be the real D-Will? I'm serious. I think that might be the real D-Will speaking.

    Hypothetically speaking, if you are the real D-Will - what would be your ideal acquisition either by trade or FA?

  • Miles
    June 26, 2009 1:53 p.m.

    I find it interesting how you all hate CJ but you seem OK with the Jazz not addressing that problem. CJ will be the starter next year at the 3. Gotta love it.

  • Miles
    June 26, 2009 1:50 p.m.

    I agree with the following:

    Picks: (20th) Eric Maynor, (50th) Goran Suton
    Analysis: The Jazz failed to address their need for help on the wings and took two players with very limited upside. Maynor is a nice player who should be a nice backup, but they could have afforded to gamble on a small forward with big potential. Suton lacks NBA-level athleticism and quickness.
    Grade: C

  • Team Goals
    June 26, 2009 1:39 p.m.

    The Jazz fans deserve

    1. a winning road record
    2. a winning back to back record
    3. a decent defense

    These should be team goals for 2009-2010.

    Sloan blames the players for failure.

    Well get players who will produce or get a coach who can produce.

    The problems may be higher up than the players. The Jazz have created a soft do nothing corporate culture.

    The whole organization needs to remodel. The Jazz did nothing in this draft to change the nature of this team. They now have 3 Cs who are all clones of Okur. That is by design. They are just as bad defensively as they have ever been. They have done nothing to fix the road and back to back problems.

    There is a reason why the needed changes are not made. The Jazz are pursuing a strategy that will not work and refuse to change.

    Dumars made changes. He got AI and realized it is about character not how many shots you can jack up.

    Dumars is now looking to change the culture of the team. He does not want Boozer, wrong character.

    He is looking for Big Ben2. DET was successful with Ben.

  • mikeb
    June 26, 2009 1:34 p.m.

    To all the comments on here saying the jazz blew it:

    Apparently you haven't seen the espn grades on here because the jazz got an A. I will take their opinion over anyone on this board. Plus the people saying that we needed a center, who is available at 20? There was no one. Dejaun Blair has no ACL in either knee. Obviously he isn't that good if 36 other teams passed on him. He might be good but not worth the guaranteed contract of a 20 pick. I like the pick and think he will work good in the jazz system

  • todd from santa ana
    June 26, 2009 1:19 p.m.

    same issue with Darren, he can only back up Chris Paul, he is not the scorer., I would have picked Maynor over Collison.

    Everybody is missing the point-I will try and clarify the last time and give it a rest...

    I am not at all questioning these 2 picks as good players. The 2 or 3 times I watched maynor, I have nothing to criticize. Suton is more of a project,

    The point: Immediate Impact Moves. this could have been helped by trading up in the draft and jettisoning a salary or two like Miles, find out with 4 days left certainly, Okur, Boozie, Korver, see what they are going to do.. If Fez was not resigned i will not knock Suton,

    We needed a shooting guard, a small forward and athletic 6'9, 6'10 forward. I am beginning to think we should go after Stoudamire-Golden State is.

    Jer (to dismay of the "holics") is likely gone 1 year.

    It is to start shaping up this team with picks and trades/free agents to set up the next decade for its new coach.

    The Lakers will not be up there forever, and we could have good decade.

  • JazzSpazz
    June 26, 2009 1:13 p.m.

    I am psyched about Maynor. If what is written about him is true, he will make a solid backup PG and that was the biggest thing missing from the Jazz second unit last year. Not going to get us a championship with just that move, but it's a nice start.

    Suton seems like a good pick too. The Jazz did pretty well for such a weak draft.

    A final thought. For everyone freaking out because the Jazz haven't made a trade yet consider this: How do you expect them to make a trade when more than half of your team is a free agent, a restricted free agent, or holds a player option to become an unrestricted free agent? You can't trade something you don't have rights to yet.

    I would love to see some bold moves by the front office this off season, but nothingcan happen before July 1.

  • todd to above
    June 26, 2009 12:33 p.m.

    that is the point of all of this, i could have not said it better

  • Who was the next pick?
    June 26, 2009 12:27 p.m.


    We shall see in a few years if this guard is better than that guard.

  • G in VA
    June 26, 2009 12:25 p.m.

    I think you will be more than pleasantly surprised by Maynor. He is the only college player I have ever really loved. He's amazing to watch: nimble on his feet, able to make great clutch plays, and really really smart. He only gets better with time. My one concern is that he is solid in the first half but always great in the second half of a game. If he is backup PG, he won't get that opportunity to warm up and really show his stuff. But I think that once he gets the hang of the NBA, you Jazz fans will be pretty happy that he was still around at the 20th pick and other teams will regret not choosing him.

  • @Chadders
    June 26, 2009 12:02 p.m.

    Yes we are very aware that the Jazz can't make any major moves until the opt outs. What we are discussing are strategies to fix problems that have festered for years with no attempt to fix them.

    HOU was aggressive last night in buying 2nd round picks. The Jazz could have paid cash for high second round picks and addressed more needs.

    The media pumped the hard nosed, mean nasty player routine. That set everyone up to expect the Jazz to draft at least one good hard defender. The Jazz sucked their collective thumb on improving the defense.

    Maynor is okay and addresses a need. I like Suton for a long shot. If management is not aggressive why would the team be aggressive? It starts at the top. The players reflect the corporate culture (all talk).

    The Jazz sent one more signal that they are not interested in defense and are not willing to fix the major problems.

    That is what is wrong with the Jazz. They do not seize or create opportunities. I am not sure who makes these decisions but something has to change.

    Given the FA market maybe waiting was wise.

    Please fix problems.

  • Deron
    June 26, 2009 11:54 a.m.

    After reading through many of these comments I'm beginning to think a lot of Jazz fans are pretty pathetic. Yeah, we are all frusterated with the way last year ended, but quit bagging on this pick. I think they picked the best player available, plus, Utah does need a consistent and credible backup PG. Ronnie Price is energetic and tough, but he's not the best PG. I'm just glad they didn't draft another big unathletic body like they have a tendency to do. The still need to go after a player or two in potential trades or signings, but I think Eric Maynor will be a good pick. Read up on him...all the analysts think Utah made a great pick. Lots of Jazz fans are very short sighted and need to open their eyes.

  • Bundy
    June 26, 2009 11:53 a.m.

    War the Jazz getting rid of Boozer, resigning Milsap and finding an interior defensive presence.

    War Andre and Ronnie learning to hit long range jumpers.

    War the Lakers losing Ariza and Odom and watching Fisher get a little bit slower each year.

    and finally war the New York Knicks tanking again this year. I will be chearing against them as much as I will be chearing for the Jazz.

    June 26, 2009 11:33 a.m.

    To those who say Big Men are a thing of the past, and that Guards are most important in this league I ask this question: Name me a team that has won an NBA title recently that hasn't had a good big man?
    Lakers: Gasol
    Celtics: Garnett
    Heat: Shaq
    Spurs: Duncan
    Lakers: Shaq
    Rockets: Hakeem the dream.

    The lone exception was Jordan and the Bulls! And well... that was Jordan! Now go through those teams and tell me who the point guards were? Not that great if you ask me! Teams that win championships have a dominating big man.
    I do think that big men are changing. The more athletic (Dwight Howard, Amare Staudamire, Pau Gasol) are the most versitle. Yao, Oden, and other moster slow big guys get injured easily and tired easily. They can't keep up.

  • Re: Anonymous
    June 26, 2009 11:21 a.m.

    What dominant big man do you suggest the Jazz Get? Shaq? Dwight Howard? Gasol? Amare? Garnett? Yeah there are dominant big men out there but their teams aren't going to part with them or they are way too old to trade for. I am glad the Jazz got the best player available. I am glad you are not running the Jazz.

  • todd to chadders
    June 26, 2009 11:20 a.m.

    if all these guys holding "our" franchise hostage yes "our" the city you live in and all of the "fans" do not know by now they will never know, good luck to Real tomorrow night, whats up fedor!!

  • Anonymous
    June 26, 2009 11:20 a.m.

    On paper the Jazz are a much better team than they tend to play.

    Whether through trade, free agency, or watching America's Most Wanted, they need to find some toughness.

    Remember Mike Brown? Billy Poultz? Even Greg Foster was willing to pop someone in the mouth. We wont be back to competing with the elite teams until we have someone with a big nasty streak.

  • Can CJ or AK
    June 26, 2009 11:20 a.m.

    play point forward? That would eliminate the expense of another back up PG. How about some cross training?

    That might keep the Jazz out of the Lux tax. ORL was able to trade for a PG in an emergency. I am sure the Jazz could do like wise if they really needed to.

    Sloan's biases (3 PGs) are expensive and a major reason why this team can not and will not move forward.

    Would CJ/AK do worse than Knight/Price?

    Is CJ capable if this? That would make him give him some value.

    June 26, 2009 11:19 a.m.

    I look at this two ways.

    Option #1: Maynor isn't good and he's out of the league and playing in Europe in 3 years.

    Optoin #2: Maynor is a stud! He really turns out to be a great player. So because the Jazz already have Deron Williams he is unsatisfied with playing time and/or money. So he goes to another team after 3 years. Either way this guy will NOT be on the team in 4 years.

    With that said... the Jazz are in need of a decent back-up and they like to have 3 PG on the team. So I don't really hate the pick too much.

  • You can't blame the players
    June 26, 2009 11:10 a.m.

    for bad defense, poor back to backs and poor road records. Ultimately it is management's responsibility to get players who will play defense (or a coach who can create a workable defense). It is management's responsibility to solve the back to back and road problems.

    Blaming the players does not cut it. It might be okay for a few games but these are problems that span years. That is a management problem.

    KOC has coaching experience. He is not dumb. He knows where the problems lie.

    Sloan blames the players for the above problems. Well get some players who will fix the problems. Maybe the problem was Miller but I do not think so.

    The problem is a strong bias against making needed changes. A refusal to adjust when needed. A refusal to make more than minor tinkering and tweaking.

    The Jazz jumped forward when they took big risks in getting Okur and Boozer. That has taken the Jazz as far as it can. They need another bold (right) step.

    Even then it will be very hard to beat LA and SA with a limited budget. Given the economy, FA is a better approach than the draft.

  • todd from santa ana
    June 26, 2009 11:09 a.m.

    its done now, I do not want to be accused of not supporting our players because i will root for the colors and whoever wears our jersey. We have to be fair and analyze bad or good the players.

    Suton was good and bad in NCAA tournament. Tom Izzo at times would tear more hair out over this guy but he has a good shot obviously, I know for the last time about the optout deadlines. If one does not know 5 days what these guys are going to do it is time to find out

    June 26, 2009 11:00 a.m.

    Sam Young! Remember the name because he's going to be a BIG regret for the Jazz organization for years to come. That guy can defend, and Utah is gonna lose Korver or Brewer... or BOTH after the 2010 season.

  • Give him a chance
    June 26, 2009 10:55 a.m.

    I watched maynor play a little bit last year and I thought he was a good player. I think he was the best player on the board when the jazz picked and I am not sure if any of the bigs left would be any good. I hope Maynor does good.

  • Chadders
    June 26, 2009 10:50 a.m.

    Great pick all things considered. Sam Young? Yeah I like the kid too but how many 2s and 3s do we need? I guess some of the Sloan haters don't read any of the comments that point out why we haven't made a big trade, ie we have to wait to know what option Booz, Memo and KK are going to take before we can trade them. I feel happy we won't have Knight or Collins back though. Thanks for what you've brought and good luck on your future endeavors Brevin and Jarron.

  • @Fedor
    June 26, 2009 10:48 a.m.

    Slow and steady would be fine if it would fix the bad defense, back to backs and the bad road record. Not to mention the inability to beat the best teams. Unfortunately slow and steady does not fix the key problems.

    The Jazz suffer from a coaching and management philosophy that will not or can not address the major weaknesses. In the current form, the Jazz can't beat LA or SA (greatly improved). They probably also can't beat DEN or POR without major changes in players and philosophy.

    The teams who have been winning lately are making high risk major moves. BOS last year, LA this year and last year, and ORL all made major moves via trades. If there is a weakness they immediately address it. SA just made a major move and will challenge LA next year.

    Slow and steady does not work when your major competitors make major winning moves.

    The Jazz are reliably just about or above average and not willing to try to get a lot better or they don't know how.

    SA's management runs circles around them.

  • @Todd
    June 26, 2009 10:37 a.m.

    There is a time to play small ball and running 2 PGs with DWill at SG is a very good set especially with AK at SF.

    One site reported that Price wants 5-6 Mill. I find that hard to believe. What team will take Price even for a Mill in this economy?

    On Maynor-turnovers may be a problem, he also needs strength. He is not fast for a PG. He knows how to run a team and that is most important.

    I think Suton may make the team. It depends on the Lux tax and if Boozer/Korver come back. If Okur leaves the Jazz have Koufos and Suton both who have similar but less developed skills than Okur.

    There are only 15 positions on the team.


    Almond, Knight and Collins are gone as near as I can tell. Harp may get traded for salary cap by mid season or bought out. Price is iffy. He may find another team.

    Boozer and Harp could get traded later if Boozer stays. DET wants a different attitude than Boozer's. Don't count on DET.

  • dumb and dumber
    June 26, 2009 10:30 a.m.

    I don't have a problem with the Maynor pick as long as Sloan doesn't sit him on the bench or regulate him to the Dleague all year. Sloan is accustom at doing this which is a big mistake. Wonder if this pick mean Price is gone. I think that would be a bigger mistake. We should have traded up when Blair and Young fell to the second round and drafted one of them. Suton is not doing to make it in the league. We have Kosta and Fez. If Suton sticks, he will be a Dleaguer as well. Jazz brass again too dumb to make any moves.

  • NY Jazz Fan
    June 26, 2009 10:28 a.m.

    The Maynor pick is Genius. The Jazz got the guy I wanted. Anyone saying the Jazz should have picked a big at 20 is a fool. Find me your big game changing big at pick 20 in one of the weakest drafts in history. Blair while talented is an undersizeed PF who is good at rebounding - we have that already his name is Paul Millsap and he is the man. Also I like my big men to have ACLs maybe thats just me.

    Also thx to Indiana for taking Psycho T because he would have been a bad fit for the Jazz (again we already have an undersized hustling PF who we know can play in the NBA)

    Be proud like me, The Jazz are a smart NBA franchise

  • Anonymous
    June 26, 2009 10:22 a.m.

    KOC touting Ronnie Brewer, the only shooting guard I've seen in the NBA where defensive players bait him into shooting because he's so horrible, is a joke.

    Should have taken Sam Young--I thought we needed a hard-nosed defender?

  • Fedor
    June 26, 2009 10:15 a.m.

    I can not be sure what more Utah Jazz could have done in draft full of backups and fellow countrymen. Does Fedor love this draft? No...but say this......there are no good center or PF at this spot. I think Maynor will be better player than the Brevin Knight and in the time will pass crowd favorite, Ronnie Price. It seem clear that we will bring back same team from last two years and without the injury we will be OK. Maybe we don't have all the fun everyone else has with big trades and those moves that bring much excitement to fan of team....sometime slow and steady win race. Now let us get out there and order our Eric Maynor jerseys and give him all the love that Jazz fan is capable of. We are best fans in this NBA so let us show him that we will not boo our players (except the Carlos Boozer) but we will embrace them with the open arms of 1000 armies. The experience of our great D-Will will take us very far and we will fight to the bitter end!!!!

  • BGomer
    June 26, 2009 10:12 a.m.

    Oh and for all you people whining about a trade a trade I can't believe we haven't made a trade. What do you expect, until next week we have no idea what our situation is going to be. How can we make moves now? Until Boozer decides we can't trade him(league rules), same with Korver. You guys are unbelievable.

  • BGomer
    June 26, 2009 10:10 a.m.

    MSN's draft ratings?? how reliable. ESPN gave the Jazz an 'A'

    I love how all year everyone whines and complains about how terrible we are at the backup point, and so when we draft a backup point, again with the whining.

    Or last year everyone complains about how the Jazz always draft big slow white guys, and now people are begging for a center like BJ Mullins? Come on.

    I was hoping for Sam Young, I love his game and think he fits in great with Utah, and brings some toughness we lack, but apparantely I am not too smart since he fell so far.

    I do like Maynor, I don't love him though. I think come mid-season he will be an upgrade over knight and price, and that was a position we needed to fill.

    Suton will go to Europe, he is a project pick that we don't have to pay.

    Is anyone else sick of the spurs? O'Connor is no slouch of a GM when you compare him with others around the league, but compared to the spurs, ouch.

  • Miles
    June 26, 2009 10:01 a.m.

    Still a lot to be determined......Boozer, Millsap, Korver, CJ, Memo, etc....Until the dust settles, No use being negative about the team. We could be awesome next year or we could be horrible. Time will tell. But it appears we are planning on keeping Boozer and Millsap along with Memo.

  • Rick Jensen
    June 26, 2009 9:54 a.m.

    Kevin O Conor needs to go. He is not making this team any better.

  • Anonymous
    June 26, 2009 9:45 a.m.

    Once again to all the "fans" who are screaming for the Jazz to make a trade. They cannot make a trade until Boozer/Okur/Korver opts out or opts in.

    Todd, Maybe you should just become a Spurs Fan.

  • todd from santa ana
    June 26, 2009 9:31 a.m.

    yeahhhhhhh can make a heavy dose of playing 2 6'3 guys together that will wow the league yes indeed, better yet start DWIL, move Brewer to smal forward.

    Now you start a high school height 6'3, 6;3 in backcourt and 6'4 at small forward

    yeahhhhh that will wow the Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets and Blazers....

  • Anonymous
    June 26, 2009 9:26 a.m.

    Great pick

    Blair is a poor mans Millsap and the Jazz already have Millsap. There was absolutely no Centers to draft. The young wing players with potential (Clark, Johnson) were gone. Balis said he can really play right away. Ford had him as the top 12 prospect in the draft. Simmons said he was one of his favorite players.

  • Rich
    June 26, 2009 9:26 a.m.

    The Jazz have averaged the No. 20 pick for the past 20 years, and no team that has had as few high draft picks has done as well as the Jazz at choosing players who went on to have productive NBA careers. You're seldom going to find an All Star after the top 12 picks. The dumbest idiot can pick great players with 20:20 hindsight. It takes a team with brains and a high basketball IQ to select low draft picks that actually have an impact on a team. So all you people who thrive on negativity: Accept reality and stop thinking you're so smart. Remember the Jazz pick that drew the most boos ever? John Stockton, probably one of the top 12 players of all time.

  • TJ
    June 26, 2009 9:18 a.m.

    I wouldn't be suprised if the Jazz did this so they can make a trade mid season and send Price(so Maynor isthe #2 PG) and someone else maybe CJ or Almond away for a SF that can play defense or maybe a defensive big. Maybe there is something in process that no one has leaked out yet. I like the pick and thingk that it is a good way to open up some trade scenarios in a few months after they know who will be staying.

  • I am worried about
    June 26, 2009 9:09 a.m.

    Sloan's man crush on Price. It may just be a PR attempt especially if he knows Price will not come back, but where is Price going to go?

    Sloan will insist on playing Price at back up PG just like he insisted on starting CJ and playing Collins. That lost many games last year. If it is not working Sloan insists on doing it until everyone wants to scream.

    The Jazz have no obligation to Price or his development as a PG. If Maynor is not ready to run the Jazz, then get a real PG. We would have avoided the 8th seed if Sloan's Vet bias had not lost more than 5 games. He lost several back to backs by not playing Koufos at back up C while he ran Okur and Millsap into the ground with short rotations.

    It is that type of quirk in Sloan that demands a coaching change.

    Koufos is coachable. He will try really hard to make any adjustment. They should have played him a lot more. I am sick of Sloan's Vet bias. Collins was a lost cause, nice guy but hurt the team when playing.

    Fix Sloan.

  • todd from santa ana
    June 26, 2009 9:09 a.m.

    Hee hee, read draft review on MSN Jazz rated only a "c", Spurs Aplus/ Jazz rated one of the worst drafts.

    Yeah the "haters" know nothing. I agree #20 and #50 O Connor could not have done much better. I rated it a B-/C

    However, a 1st round pick needs to be an impacy guy more than a guy to spare DWIL

    again hee hee

  • Local guys?
    June 26, 2009 8:59 a.m.

    I still say take Luke and Cummard. If they get drafts that will never see the court, why not draft some local guys to get seats filled?

    Cummard, at 6'7" could be developed to be better than this guy. He has a proven character. He won't go to Park City and get drunk and give someone else's name.

    Luke could put on 30 pounds, get pounded by Jerry to get tough, and give Memo a blow for five minutes four times per game. He could block shots, rebound, pass, and dunk. Can these new recruits do that?

    You can't tell me that Price is not better than Brevin Knight. Even if they were the same why not treat the fans that actually buy tickets with a local guy? I just don't get it.

  • In Case No One Noticed
    June 26, 2009 8:42 a.m.

    The western conference had the first 7 picks in this years draft and you can bet that every one of these teams are going to be somewhat better. True they were the bottom feeders in our conference but the players they got is going to make it tougher to just count their games as victories. They all helped themselves inspite of a bad draft class. Also that trade S.A. just made is going to shore them up for a few years. What I'm saying is that this league just got awfully more balanced in just a couple days.

  • KOC
    June 26, 2009 8:41 a.m.

    Kevin O Connor needs to go. Period.

  • Congratulations.
    June 26, 2009 8:41 a.m.

    Sloan just got a new player to sit on the bench and send down to the D-League every few weeks.

  • See you in Orem
    June 26, 2009 8:39 a.m.

    Can anyone imagine that he's going to play more than a few minutes per night?

  • solid pick response response
    June 26, 2009 8:37 a.m.

    Hey, speaking of Turkoglu, he is available with Magic's last trade.

    Is there a rule in Jazzland that says we can't trade Okur and Korver for him? He hustles, he brings up the ball and can rush the rim or drop it from 3 point land. He would be quite the trophy to bring home if you were the coach or the GM...wink..wink..nudge..nudge.

  • Needs
    June 26, 2009 8:37 a.m.

    The Jazz still need a PF better than Boozer, and a shooting/defending SG/SF in one package.

    The biggest need is a better defense. That has to come from replacing Boozer and more time for Koufos/Fez/Suton at C. The Jazz need much better defense at SG/SF. More importantly it has to come from a better defensive scheme. The inside is a sieve and the 3 point shooting is bad against good teams.

    Depending on opt outs, there may be a chance to trade Harp and CJ for a great SG/SF. There is a reasonable chance of getting a decent back up for Millsap at PF but that does not solve the key problem.

    Koufos, Fez and CJ have to develop. Suton has potential. He shoots well, he rebounds okay, his defense is aggressive (more so than Boozers).

    If Koufos can play PF we have an answer. He is tall enough and his shooting should improve as will his defense. If Fez gets it together we have one of the best Cs in the country.

    Maynor may be able to play.

    A lot depends on the development of the young players this next year.

  • John Wicks
    June 26, 2009 8:37 a.m.

    We will never know how good Maynor can be simply because the Coach won't play him. I still say dump Collins and Knight and sign Morris Almond. For that matter dump KOC too.

  • FIRE O CONNOR!!!!!
    June 26, 2009 8:35 a.m.

    FIRE KEVIN O CONNOR! He seems to be the only GM unwilling to make a trade to make his team better. News flash KOC - our current team is not good enough. Wake up and make a freaking trade!

  • IDjazz12
    June 26, 2009 8:33 a.m.

    The problem with the Jazz in the draft will always be that unless the Jazz pick in the top five then plan on that pick playing in the D-league for two years. Sloan wasted talent for two years sitting on benches or D-leagues until they are veteran enough to play in his mind. So this pick is really a not factor for two years. Even Dwill was limited in his time in his first year by Sloan.
    Did CP have to ride the pine his first year? NOPE
    We will always be average with great players until the tractor is started and headed to the field.

  • Changes
    June 26, 2009 8:22 a.m.

    The first priority is to get a PF who can play against tall line ups and defend, a PF better than Boozer.

    There was not one of those in the draft that was obvious, and available at 20. Hansbrough might have worked but his rebounding was weak and he had other questions. It would have cost a lot to go up above 13.

    The second priority is to get an SG/SF who can shoot consistently and defend. Harp is old and expiring. AK has dropped off. Korver can't defend. Brewer can't shoot. CJ is erratic and does not rebound.

    A lot of people liked Young but I do not feel bad about addressing the back up PG. I am not a Price fan. He has his moments but he is not a PG. He ran the team poorly early last year most of the time. Knight ran it better until teams backed off and he could not shoot.

    I do not think the Jazz need to lose a lot of games with Price running the back PG. If he is hurting the team Sloan should play Maynor immediately.

    At least try Maynor.

  • todd from santa ana
    June 26, 2009 8:09 a.m.

    no actually it would be better "hen" to watch people go by uncontested past Snoozy and Okur time and time again and watch Kyle Korver trying to run like a Bob Backlund Chicken Wing and get over too late to rotate as another "wide open 3 from the corner goes up".

    Much better idea.

  • RR
    June 26, 2009 8:08 a.m.

    No one knows how this pick will turn out, so how about we stop the bashing.

    I find it interesting that Cummard was one of the top players left on ESPN's board, with Nevill near the middle on the centers and Wilkinson nowhere in sight.

    What I love about this Maynor guy is how he beat Duke!!!!!! Love it!

    June 26, 2009 7:48 a.m.


  • Jazz Cop
    June 26, 2009 7:44 a.m.

    Everyone talks about almond like he was a wasted pick, i don't get it. at the time, the jazz were unsure about brewer and cj, they hadn't traded for korver yet, they needed a solution at the position,and at the time almond was a good pick, now, there are too many players ahead of morris, but that doesn't makes morris a wasted pick, and everyone talks as if it's a foregone conclusion that almond will be leaving and i don't think it is, if korver opts out, the jazz will probably sign morriss, and they might sign morriss anyway.
    as for maynor, great pick, sweet, i also like the suton pick as well.

  • ESL for O'connor
    June 26, 2009 7:36 a.m.

    "because I think it gives us somebody you can put the ball in the hands of."

    "I want a team that we can give a championship of winning it"

    "We're a good team for winning is"

    please tell me it's a misquote.

  • Just what the Jazz need
    June 26, 2009 7:32 a.m.

    Another wing player who can't shoot.

    Kevin, you are HORRIBLE.

  • Really, Kevin?
    June 26, 2009 7:31 a.m.

    ""Remember just a few years ago when we didn't get J.J. Redick and we got Ronnie Brewer?" O'Connor asked a draft-party crowd gathered at EnergySolutions Arena."

    Remember when we could've had Tony Parker and ended up with Curtis Borchardt?

    "Ronnie Brewer" is your claim to draft fame, really? He isn't in the top 2/3 of two guards.

    You have NO room to be smug, Kevin. If it wasn't for the free agent signings of Memo and Boozer, the Jazz would've been in the lottery for the last four years.

    There isn't enough space here to recite the Jazz' bad picks since you've been here.

    The average fan with a dart board could do as well.

  • FIRE Kevin O Connor
    June 26, 2009 6:24 a.m.

    Every team in the league is making deals and getting better. KOC sits on his hands, asleep at his desk and does nothing. I am so frustrated with the Jazz I'm close to quitting them all together. WE NEVER DO ANYTHING! Why the heck would you bring back the same team that barely made the #8 seed? FIRE KEVIN O CONNOR RIGHT NOW!!!

  • T_roy
    June 26, 2009 6:13 a.m.

    The only thing a jazz fan from SC can think of is going after a biggie in free agency or trade.

  • Apollo Sun
    June 26, 2009 6:07 a.m.

    I hope this kid works out for us. He seems a good all round PG with a sweet floater, so not a bad addition to the roster. We didnt need another Center (even though, as pointed out already, none were any good anyway), because i think Koufos should be given a lot more minutes. I'd like to see Koufos and Okur split minutes depending on the matchup. Attack the opposition with Okur and his range, keep them away from the basket with Koufos' Defense.

    I think the key for the Jazz is to sort out the positions between PG and C. This popular idea of replacing Boozer with Millsap at PF, i agree with. Millsap with work harder and gives us more protection. But one think to bear in mind, that leaves the Jazz with Deron Williams as the only real offensive threat. I mean We'll be relying on him for 30 points and 10 assists a night, just to win a game. I say go ahead, release Booz, but sign someone at 2 or 3 who can give us a scoring threat (and defensive cover ideally). We're gonna need to replace Booz's 20 points!!!!!!

  • No Center?
    June 26, 2009 5:33 a.m.

    Then trade Boozer for big center. Oh well, so much for drafty

  • ECR
    June 26, 2009 5:19 a.m.

    Anybody who's actually watched Maynor play has high praise for him. Let's all stop wringing our hands and see what happens. The off-season is still young! Free agency could bring many new surprises. I'm looking forward to the next three months.

  • T_H_R_O
    June 26, 2009 4:22 a.m.

    How does drafting their franchise player's BACKUP get the Jazz any closer to contending with the Lakers and the Nuggets?

    Who's going to reliably and consistently and EFFECTIVELY deal with Nene, Gasol and Bynum, not to mention Yao?

    From a Lakers fan's perspective, which I am (don't flame), this is not a smart move. Yes, they picked at 20, but there's plenty of talent to fill actual NEEDS.

  • bigutefan
    June 26, 2009 2:00 a.m.

    Sorry to hear that Luke Nevill didn't get a shot, but found it funny that the great almighty spiderman Lee Cummard is headed to nowhere along with his love thug. And to think that Tavanari thought he had a shot, ha!

  • Bill Simmons on Maynor
    June 26, 2009 1:31 a.m.

    6:26: Utah grabs my last favorite player in the draft: Eric Maynor. Why do I love him? He has been handling the rock since he was probably 2. He hasn't played a game since junior high where the other guys didn't immediately agree, "That guy is the point guard." He's old school. You could say he has "ownership" of that position. He's not a converted shooting guard, or a long-range shooter who brings the ball up, or even a short/fast guy who plays point because he couldn't play anywhere else. He's a pure point. He owns it. Complete control at all times. That's why I like him. Solid pick. It's all about backups and foreign dudes from here on.

  • Everyone is an expert...LOL
    June 26, 2009 1:06 a.m.

    Willing to bet anyone complaining about Maynor hasn't even seen the kid play. Not sure why some keep calling him 'undersized'? He needs to bulk up a bit... I'm sure he will. Everyone who has seen Maynor play has very positive things to say. Like it or not, the Jazz very much need a SOLID back up PG. Yes, LOVE Price.... his energy, his attitude, etc., but his play is erratic and he seems to struggle with the leadership necessary when running the point. Not only did the Jazz need a solid back up PG for DW, but I do believe they got the best player available at the 20 spot. While I'm no Sloan fan these days, I actually think this kid will get some PT, and I see him earning the back up spot.... with Price as the 3rd PG. I like Price a lot, and hope he chooses to stay with the Jazz... but I don't think he will end up with the back up spot.... I think Maynor will prove himself, if Sloan allows it, and will be the back up.

  • If you look at Suton's
    June 26, 2009 12:31 a.m.

    You tubes, he boxes out, he shoots well, he bangs. He is a little slow with his feet but has great hands. I watched his workout with the Kings. He was pretty good in the drills around the basket.

    If he can improve his foot work he may be a decent player. He seems to be an intelligent BBall player.

    In the long run he may be as good or better than Hansbrough. His shooting is okay but he rebounds better than Hansbrough.

  • rd
    June 26, 2009 12:29 a.m.

    Not sure if he's perfect for the Jazz, but Maynor is an exceptional talent to snag at 20. He is an extremely smart, wily point guard and is cool as a cucumber out there. Anyone who has seen him play knows his potential. In a good system, he'll be a much stronger force than several of the guards chosen before him.

  • Good drafts
    June 26, 2009 12:10 a.m.

    The last 5 years the Jazz have done better in the draft with the exception of Almond. In my opinion Koufos, who would be a Soph this year was a steal. He is already an average NBA big if you adjust for his minutes. There are a lot of bigs around the NBA with worse numbers who are getting a lot more money.

    Fez is a similar situation. He may take more time than Koufos but just as a rebounding specialist Fez is already an NBA bench warmer on many teams.

    Maynor is going to be okay. I think Suton may be a real sleeper at PF. He only got 10 shots a game at MSU but he averaged 10 points. He can rebound and he can front players and shoot pretty well. He will take time to develop but that gives the Jazz 4 more or less 7 footers.

    Fez, Koufos, Okur and Suton. Okur and Suton are about 6'11" with shoes. 3 of them can shoot and all of them can rebound. Maybe some of them will learn to play defense.

  • 4 good drafts in a row maybe
    June 25, 2009 11:54 p.m.

    This is the fourth year in a row the Jazz have had a great draft:

    In 05 they had to move up to get D Will, and CJ in the 2nd proved to be a good pick too, A+

    06, Ronnie Brewer was a great pick that filled a gaping hole, and Paul Millsap was a rookie of the year candidate and could be a rising star, A++

    07 Morris Almond didn't work out, but Fesenko is still raw and I still think he could develop into a good role player and considering he was a mid 2nd rounder it was a good pick. B-

    08, I was stoked when we got Kosta Koufus, he didn't have a very good rookie season but everyone knew he was, and still is, a project. We won't know how good of a pick this was until the end of next season.

    09, We desperately need a solid back up point guard, and ideally one who can play a little combo and Maynor was the best player available, just youtube the kid or watch the Duke or Mason games

  • The Jazz
    June 25, 2009 11:51 p.m.

    may have helped their overall shooting a little. Maynor can shoot better than Knight. Suton actually shoots well facing the basket and can stretch the floor.

    Koufos is supposed to be able to shoot. Okur can shoot. Millsap needs to extend his range. CJ and Korver can shoot sometimes.

    The alternative strategy to the Jazz inside game is to stretch the floor and open up the inside. If the Jazz can play both strategies that helps. Of course Sloan has to decide to play an alternative plan when needed.

    Maynor and Suton do not help much on D as they will not play much and are not "great defenders".

    The Jazz need a shooting guard. If Koufos has made enough progress he can play back up PF. His defense is better than Boozers and should improve.

    If Boozer or Korver leave and Harp is bought out or traded (also maybe CJ)there might be money for a SG/SF who can shoot and defend. Maybe CJ will get it together.

    Maybe there is some hope.

  • Todd
    June 25, 2009 11:40 p.m.

    I think you might be right to some extent. I think Boozer will try to sign a 2 year extension with both years as player options. That will give him flexibility to opt out when the economy is better or when AKs contract is expiring.

    I think Okur will sign for nearly the same money but for a longer deal. The Jazz are mainly waiting to see how much Millsap is going to cost and if Boozer and Korver opt.

    Only Koufos, Maynor and Suton can play for the Flash. If Boozer is gone Koufos will play back up C/PF. Fez could also see some time.

    If the Jazz are in the Lux tax they will run with a limited roster. Maynor and Suton cost them little.

    If Boozer does not opt or extend he will play until he is traded, maybe for a cheaper PF and a dumpable salary.


    That is 15 with Boozer/Price. It would not surprise me to see the Jazz run with 14 or 13.

    The Jazz are not better.

  • Anonymous
    June 25, 2009 11:39 p.m.

    We needed a tough, hard-nosed, defensive-minded, athletic player--Sam Young fit our needs, we missed it! Doesn't matter if other teams passed on him, he would have fit our system and our needs better than an undersized back-up point.

  • Lets wait and see
    June 25, 2009 11:25 p.m.

    OK, we all wanted some PF/C with good height and defense, but at 20 nothing was really left; so getting perhaps the 2nd best point guard in the draft is really a pretty good value, especially when we really do need a solid back up and Ronny Price is no guarantee to re-sign.

    Go Jazz!

  • todd duh
    June 25, 2009 11:22 p.m.

    actually troops there were game changers if the Jazz moved up in the draft

  • todd "the championship squad"
    June 25, 2009 11:14 p.m.

    Opening Night. DWIL and BREW at guard, Boozy, Okur and CJ up front.

    Off the bench Maynor, Kirilenko, KOustos and Fez on and off shuttling between options left on the Flash then joining the ALberquerque Dukes, Millsap.

    12th man poss Collins or Brevie

    See you in the finals.

    Injury Free we should beat the Lakers easily, Boozer and Okur are great Defensively.

  • Idaho Jazz Fan
    June 25, 2009 11:13 p.m.

    For all the KOC and Sloan bashers, stop talking about how horrible this pick is! Unless you got Griffin or Thebeet, there were no real big men game changers in this draft. I do like Blair, but he does the same stuff Millsap does. I was hopeful the Jazz would get Maynor because he will be a huge upgrade over Knight and by next year much better than Price. He will allow D-Will to get a few more minutes on the bench without having to worry about the backup PG blowing the lead he built.

  • Great pick!
    June 25, 2009 11:09 p.m.

    Anyone who doesn't like Maynor at #20 doesn't know squat about basketball. It will be nice to have a true point guard running the second team next year. And about Blair and Young? They fell to #36 and #37 so all the other teams had a shot at them also and they still dropped to the second round.

  • Byron Another great pick by Utah
    June 25, 2009 11:05 p.m.

    The Jazz' weakest position is by far the back up point guard and Maynor was the best point available in a draft that was deepest at the point position. Math does not get easier than this folks. Picking Maynor here was a no brainer. Every expert loves this pick for Utah, look it up, or better yet youtube the kid. Maynor is a 4 year guy who can contribute right away and he is a score first point so if he becomes good enough to warrant more time the Jazz can play him at the 2 as well.

    For those who said we should have drafted a Center, I ask who? This was the worst batch of Centers ever. Next Center on the board was BJ Mullins and he got owned by Luke Neville, and Neville didn't even get drafted.

    The Jazz not only got the best player available, they actually filled their biggest need. (Hopefully):)

  • todd to BOOOOO
    June 25, 2009 10:59 p.m.

    NO comment....

  • todd to cowboy joe
    June 25, 2009 10:57 p.m.

    read the comments; "we need no changes lets just stand pat got a great squad, just need a little more effort on defense we have the best coach in the league"

    hee hee hardy hardy har

    I am rolling over I am laughing so hard

    June 25, 2009 10:48 p.m.

    we have Price for a backup!

  • Good Pick
    June 25, 2009 10:41 p.m.

    Especially considering who was left on the board. People are complaining about us not taking Blair but 13 other teams passed on him after us. Big risk to throw guaranteed money after a guy with bad knees. We needed a backup point and if he works out, he could also play along side Deron some. I wanted Teague who went right ahead of us and maynor was the next guy, Espn had him rated the 12th best player in the draft and if he would have played at a bigger school whould have been potential lottery pick.

  • SA, POR and maybe HOU
    June 25, 2009 10:37 p.m.

    helped themselves a lot. OKC got a lot better. MN was goofy but they will probably do some more trading.

    Suton will be a decent back up big but not solve any problems. Maynor is an adequate back up PG. There are no good FAs available that the Jazz have the money to pursue. So how do the Jazz get better?

    Dallas is still trying to dump Stackhouse's (big expiring contract) and there are other teams out there who can deal. Cuban will try to make the Mavs better. PHO is dead.

    The Jazz just seem to be treading water but I guess they have to until the opt out date is past and they know what strategy to pursue.

    If Korver opts that save 5 mill. The Jazz can get a 3 point shooter who can defend for less than that. They should be able to trade CJ for something decent. CJ will perform much better in a different system.

    If Boozer opts I think he is dead financially. Ditto for Okur and he is bright enough to know it. Millsap could cost 6+ mill or more.

    I doubt if AK can be traded in this economy.

  • 30seconds....GO!
    June 25, 2009 10:26 p.m.

    All I can say is that the jazz must be dead set on signing milsap, okur and boozer....because they did nothing except fill one hole on the team and that was find a decent back-up for Deron.

    I expected Sam young or Dejaun Blair to be our pick, and am a little disappointed but it leads me to believe that the jazz don't want anymore forwards, because they will sign boozer an milsap this summer.

    Honestly if maynor is a solid back-up, and the jazz are healthy this season, we'll be just fine without any big moves...just have a little faith in our team. We're still a top ten team in contention, and we can become a top two or three team if we just iron in the idea of defense win's championship...if all five guys on the court work their tails off on defense, we'll be very, very hard to beat and surprise the enitre league.

    There's obviously no change coming this season to the jazz, and i'm very excited about the upcoming season. We're a young team with no changes and more experience.

  • Solid Pick response
    June 25, 2009 10:23 p.m.

    If you will read, I wrote "true center." Other than Shaq, all of the players mentioned are power forwards and not true centers. My comment was in reponse to Jazz fans who clamor for picking the big 7 footer everytime one is available, no matter how clumsy, slow, and unathletic he may be. There is a difference between a big man and a true center. The league, and in particular the big men, are getting so athletic that the league has passed by the true centers. Teams with big men (e.g., Dampier, Bynum, and Ming) often don't even have their big men on the floor during crunch time because they need guys that can not only play the middle but guard guys like Nowitizki, Turkoglu, and Rashard Lewis to name a few.

  • jens2110
    June 25, 2009 10:22 p.m.

    Reading this board has made me worry more about Jazz fans then about the future of the team. Great Pick.

  • todd from santa ana
    June 25, 2009 10:05 p.m.

    I will wager the SPurs pick for Blair, will turn out better than the Jazz picks.

    Expect it...

  • Anonymous
    June 25, 2009 10:02 p.m.

    When you get down to the 20th pick, you're lucky to find someone who will still be in the NBA in 5 years. Good job, Jazz, for taking a chance on Maynor.

  • wow
    June 25, 2009 10:00 p.m.

    you guys are crying about them not picking a center!!!! ha ha jarron collins would have been picked top 15 in this draft, that is how bad this draft was for big guys...
    on to maynor he is a great player and a true point guard that guess what folks can score the ball too.. so when the shot clock runs down and we need the pg to score he just might do that. great pick for the jazz.

  • todd on snoozy
    June 25, 2009 10:00 p.m.

    snoozey, Okur back again clear as a bell and pack the "paint" let him shoot, no improvement seen in 2009-2010 Jazz club..

  • Doesn't Matter
    June 25, 2009 9:57 p.m.

    Dave at 8:14 got it right - this kid will spend far more time in Orem than downtown SLC. Until Sloan decides to trust the young kids (i.e. anyone under 30) the draft is meaningless to the Jazz.

  • oh help us please
    June 25, 2009 9:54 p.m.

    yada yada...we watch as the water runs out of the drain.

    We got a point guard who will take 2-3 years to gain momentum in the league. How long is Deron signed for? We have no intention of keeping Deron as his contract will be huge by then. We drafted his replacement tonight so we can attain "mediocrity" atta go Jerry and Kevin you guys do us proud.

    How about using some brain parts and getting us in contention and trading for some decent players to help our stars win? Guess what then players would want to come to Utah and fans will feel vindicated for sticking with this program "FOREVER" Why waste Deron and Boozer get them some help.

    Brewers game increased exponentially last season but he will never be the shooter we need. Korver cannnot guard nor is he a superstar. Okur can shoot every third or fourth night. We have many trading pieces to put together a winning franchise, be bold be brave.

    If water runs out the drain again I hope you two slip and slide with it.

  • todd from santa ana
    June 25, 2009 9:52 p.m.

    nothing against the VCU kid, but O Connor did not fit the Jazz immmediate needs. If a kid averages 22ppg and he is too small to play with DWIL< then him as a backup is a total waste 1st round pick.

    The better pick would have been a forward. Portland getting Pendergraph I assure you will be far better than Mr. Suton who has a shot but not great in the blocks and ESPN rated him an average rebounder. It would have been better to draft an off guard who could shoot 6'5 6'6 or a small forward who can create.

    I know the VCU guy is considered clutch and a good player but his size is an issue. You certainly cannot team him up with DWIL unless they go vs a small lineup 2 guys at 6'3 cannot make up starting backcourt.

    AS usual I was right. O Connor did not move up to get the right guys. Portland has gotten better (again), Budinger (i would have taken over mr VCU) is now with Houston.

    Summary-like predicted, -maybe Knight and Collins, exact same Jazz team as 2008-2009 with 2 draft picks

  • Anonymous
    June 25, 2009 9:50 p.m.

    I dont know about the Maynor pick mainly just because he played at VCU which means he hasn't competed like most other guys in the draft at a high level. BUt I do like the Suton pick but I wish we would have gone with Sam Young, or Dejuan Blair with that earlier pick.

  • jp
    June 25, 2009 9:45 p.m.

    Defense is still our biggest problem--hopefully we can address that via trade/free agency with someone like a younger Raja Bell/Bruce Bowen.

  • Jazz Cop
    June 25, 2009 9:41 p.m.

    Whoever isn't stoked about this pick doesn't know anything about manor. SSWWEEEETT. I'm not going to butter his toast for everyone, but if you never watched him play you should get a copy of the vcu duke game. Plus, I think he'll do well with sloan. This is who I hoped the jazz would get, sweet.

  • VCU Loyal
    June 25, 2009 9:37 p.m.

    Ive watched Eric at home games for his whole four years. I sit behind the bench. He is as good as any of the PG's taken in this draft...with the exception of Curry (who is a better 3pt shooter). Dont worry about his defense. Have you ever heard of George Mason? Ask their fans what they think of his defense....he picked their PG twice in 20 seconds in the last minutes of a 8 point deficit to win the championship in 07 (yr after their final four run). When he isn't worried about fouling out (coaches choice) he is all over the PG's. He had top rankings in assists, free throws, FGs and points all season and was a good three shooter and defender.

    Keep in mind, teams doubled him all year. VCU started three sophs and a freshman, so he basically had to do everything to get VCU to the dance....TWICE. He WAS VCU. He BEAT DUKE in MARCH.

    Jazz fans will NOT be sorry about this pick. BTW, good luck to Eric and thanks for 4 incredible years at VCU

  • Surprised
    June 25, 2009 9:36 p.m.

    I thought they would pick Blair for sure, and was even more surprised when we fell as far as he did. I am finally learning to accept the Jazz not getting a championship. Lets face it our best chance was with Stockton and Malone back in the 90's and they could not even do it then. This team is a far cry from the Jazz that made it to the finals.

  • Just brilliant
    June 25, 2009 9:36 p.m.

    team O'Connor,and Sloan! Another player with no length and needs improvement at defense {per espn}It just proves that they are more interested in ticket sales and not winning.Sure he might be a great pick at 20, but with a weak draft {per espn} draft the pick and 2010 pick and get some vets that are seasoned and can teach the young guys on the team.

  • Develope our 7 footers!
    June 25, 2009 9:33 p.m.

    For everyone complaining about not drafting a big... Where do you think Fesenko and Koufos would have gone in this draft?

    If Fesenko would have played in college my guess is that he would have been a lottery pick. He is still only 22! Koufos was a projected lottery pick last year.

    Lets develope these guys who at least give us a shot of defending the paint.

    Sad to say but the only years we went to the NBA finals Greg Ostertag was our center. He may not put up Boozer's 20 points a game But at least he didn't give up 25

  • RE: bob carlisle
    June 25, 2009 9:31 p.m.

    I agree. Brevin knight has been the worst part of this franchise during th 2008-09 season. Any point guard is a step up from him. Knight is the only player who can consistently blow a lead. Brevin "Double dribble" knight will no longer play in utah

  • SA got Blair
    June 25, 2009 9:29 p.m.

    Knees or no Knees he will cause trouble for the Jazz.

    Maynor may be okay. Price is erratic in the running of the team. He gets in to deep and is forced to shoot a bad shot. On nights when he is shooting well things go better but he is not a true point and really can't run the team on a prolonged or regular basis. He was cheap insurance who could sometimes run the team for short times. He was really streaky and either very good at shooting or very bad.

    POR just got better, they traded for Pendergraph.

    The Suns got Taylor Griffin which saved the Jazz from getting him.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    June 25, 2009 9:25 p.m.

    The jazz should draft the skinny dude from byu. He and Araujo would take them to the championship.

  • Anonymous
    June 25, 2009 9:22 p.m.

    Big guys don't dominate the NBA anymore? Ever heard of a guy named Dwight Howard? He only led his team to the NBA finals this year. Has Kobe won championships without one dominate center or 3 7-footers?

  • Won't Complaint
    June 25, 2009 9:17 p.m.

    I never liked O'Connor and his decision makings. I rather liked Ty Lawson as the pick but obviously Lawson not being available, Maynor will suffice.
    What the Jazz sorely need is interior defense and without a strong presence inside, every team will run over them. And for the ideal that big men are less of a significance after or so 1998; Paul Gasol, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, and Shaq. End of discussion.

  • Solid Pick?? comment??
    June 25, 2009 9:16 p.m.

    Solid Pick says the NBA is no longer dominated by big men? Who are the teams that have won the most championships had since 1998? Answer: Shaq, Duncan, Shaq again, Rasheed and Ben Wallace (who were dominant at the time--beating Shaq, Kobe, and Malone), Kevin Garnett, Pau Gasol (one of the best PF in the league now days). Name 1 team who has won the finals without a big man since 1998?

    Not since Jordan, which was before 1998? He obviously knows nothing about the NBA. Guard dominated--that is the most ridiculous thing in the world. The 3 best players in the league are Kobe, LeBron, and D-Wade. NONE of them have won without a top big man, NONE!!!

    Only Jordan could do it.

  • kmansac
    June 25, 2009 9:11 p.m.

    I thought Sloan said he mistaked not playing Price behind DW after playoff loss to Lakers. Price can run the offense, connects with bench, and goes strong to the hoop. He was highly regarded in Sac.. that strong monster dunk over Boozer 3 years back was the best play of the year here. I loved it when Utah pick him up. Is RP in Sloans game plan or not? Stick with Price all the way.. he more than deserves the backup position.. he's proven.. he earned it. Sloan supposed to like those old fashion values. Maynor gets to develop this year.

  • The Jazz can buy
    June 25, 2009 9:04 p.m.

    any of the already drafted players tonight for cash. They could still buy a PF or whatever if they really wanted the player.

  • I love it
    June 25, 2009 9:03 p.m.

    Here's what ESPN says of the Jazz picking Maynor:
    "I thought they might go with Sam Young here, but I have to admit that I love this pick for the Jazz. They needed a backup for Deron Williams, and Maynor is perfect for Utah as one of the most NBA-ready players in the draft. He has a high basketball IQ and great leadership qualities. The Jazz fill a need and get a guy who I think is the most underrated player in the draft.

  • Wiley Old School
    June 25, 2009 9:01 p.m.

    This Richmonder is pretty excited about the pick. Nice pick and nice fit. In a few years I expect there to be many Koufus and Maynor fans in SLC!

  • Great pick
    June 25, 2009 8:47 p.m.

    I can't believe all of the unknowledgeable Jazz fans. ESPN has Maynor ranked as the 12th best player in the draft, and the Jazz get him at 20. I'd say that's pretty darn good.

  • I wonder if Blair
    June 25, 2009 8:46 p.m.

    will fall all of the way to 50? Even with bad knees he would be worth a 2nd round pick.

    Gattney from UMass may be a decent pick. The Jazz are freeing up money for resigns. There is still a lot of teams making changes for money purposes. There will be a few more about mid season.

    Boozer and Millsap could be cheaper than originally thought. Boozer could also be traded up to mid season if signed to a reasonable contract.

  • SDawg
    June 25, 2009 8:42 p.m.

    Remember Stockton from Gonzaga? Everyone moaned about that one. Not at all saying he is the next Stockton just saying lets give this guy a chance. We could use a nice backup, Knight was horrible

  • on 1320 kfan
    June 25, 2009 8:41 p.m.

    They dissed this guy a couple days ago saying he was not an nba player. Locke said he saw nothing that impressed him at all. Locke is not an expert on drafting though. They passed on some pretty good talent to get this guy. Personally I am extremely disappointed with the pick. However I would not have take a big man. No big man available was worth taking.

  • CJ
    June 25, 2009 8:35 p.m.

    This was a great pick for the Jazz. There wasn't a good 5 available after Thabeet, Maynor was the best pick available. Great player

  • T-Chris
    June 25, 2009 8:30 p.m.

    Wow Guys way to be supportive. I don't know if you know this, but the jazz have no back up point guard. this kid is a solid back up point guard with size, and there were no big men in this draft anyways. Yes the Jazz need a Center more than anything, but they need to go sign a free agent already in the league if thats what we're looking for. Good Choice Jazz!

  • Solid Pick
    June 25, 2009 8:30 p.m.

    Too many Jazz fans are still living in an NBA world that was dominated by big men. That era ended about 1998. The game has changed with the elimination of hand checking and is now dominated by guard play. Guess what, most NBA teams don't play a true center anymore. The NBA game is all about guard play. Anybody that has watched Maynor play knows he is tough, clutch, and can flat out play.

  • Maynor
    June 25, 2009 8:28 p.m.

    is not as well known and maybe not as good as Teague. However, he is a true point who can play now if necessary. It says a lot about Knight and Price not coming back. It signals that the Jazz are less worried about the bigs and resigning the bigs.

    They did not go with Blair, Gibson, Young or another PF. The Jazz need rebounding and a PF and an SF who can stretch the floor.

    Gibson had the most potential to do that.

    They may pick up an experienced back up PG later.

    It will be really interesting to see what they do with the 50 pick.

    Maynor is a safe PG pick. He will not be great but will be a smart capable back up who is smart and can run the 2nd unit. Defense is a question.

  • JBrowning
    June 25, 2009 8:28 p.m.

    Chad Ford said Eric Maynor was the most underrated player in the draft. ESPN rated him the twelfth best player in the draft. He has very good stats and some big wins. I'm optimistic! People are too hard on Kevin O'Connor and Jerry Sloan.

  • Good Pick
    June 25, 2009 8:22 p.m.

    The Jazz always have leads dwindle when DW goes out for a rest. They need a GOOD backup that can give starter type minutes for 8-10 minutes per game. This seems pretty obvious to me. Also provides insurance in case of injury. Drop BK and sign Price as the #3.

    Pick the Yewt center in round 2 and make a BIG trade.

  • Mike
    June 25, 2009 8:16 p.m.

    Hoopsworld reported earlier this month that Maynor was a big time sleeper in this draft and would be a household name in a few years.

  • Anonymous
    June 25, 2009 8:15 p.m.

    And who would you complainers have picked? I'm very interested...

    Somebody always has to open their mouth.

  • dave
    June 25, 2009 8:14 p.m.

    with the 20th pick the Jazz drafted Eric Maynor for the Utah Flash. I don't see why there is any complaint here because Sloan won't play a rookie anyway. Remember he had a hard time playing D-Will until LHM questioned him about it. As for length I think all the good tall defenders were long gone at this point. Jazz need a back up pg, I thought they would try for one in the 2nd round, but the players they wanted were already drafted.

  • Nice O'Connor
    June 25, 2009 8:11 p.m.

    Add this pick to the ever-growing list of bad picks for the first round for Kevin O'Connor. I can't wait to see how he is going to waste next year's lottery from New York.

    Get him out now before he can do anymore damage. He has no vision or imagination. He just sits by and drafts guards late in the first round only to release them 3 years later.

    What a joke.

  • Center?
    June 25, 2009 8:08 p.m.

    Who exactly do you think the Jazz can draft at center at the 20th pick who can play in the NBA? They badly needed a backup point guard, like it or not.

  • jzfandc
    June 25, 2009 8:07 p.m.

    I understand that Marcus Camby may now available -

  • Miles
    June 25, 2009 8:03 p.m.

    The Jazz must have felt Blair was not a good pick for them? I don't see how Maynor gives us any value but I really haven't watched him play either. Maybe he will be a sleeper? But as I have been saying, I don't think Maynor will play. So it doesn't really matter.

  • ha
    June 25, 2009 8:02 p.m.

    apparently Awful pick watched alot of VCU games.

  • nottyou
    June 25, 2009 7:59 p.m.

    Stupid is as stupid does.

  • nujazz
    June 25, 2009 7:57 p.m.

    who is this guy?

    Is he any good?

    did we want a PG?

    lets go jazz beat la

  • bob carlisle
    June 25, 2009 7:56 p.m.

    he has to be better then brevin knight, has to be.

  • I like the pick
    June 25, 2009 7:54 p.m.

    The Jazz picked 20th tell me what center is worth picking there? Maynor will be a OK backup to an All Star Point Guard. What the Jazz need is a blockbuster trade to make them climb the hill to a championship, (Its never going to happen!) So be happy with your 48-60 wins a year and playoffs every year.

  • Awful pick.
    June 25, 2009 7:49 p.m.

    The Jazz need speed and length and defense. So, what do they do? Pick a small, poor defender with no length.


    The Jazz decline started at the end of last season and it continues. Terrible pick.

  • Duh
    June 25, 2009 7:49 p.m.

    When will the Jazz ever understand that we have no center on the team. Another guard?? Yeah, that's going to win championships. Jazz lose......again!