Emotions run hot during SB81 discussion

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  • miguel
    June 22, 2009 6:33 p.m.

    so im miguel i born in texas so im a us citizen my parents also are citizens but not my grandparents i do speak more spanish than english i spent more time i mexico than in usa, i couldn't get in to the army because i have a big tattoo of the mexican flag in my back i recently came from my mission(LDS member) in mexico and i just found a law in utah were i meet my girl that its gonna affect the latino raza no matter if they are legal or not because if a cop stops you walking on the streets and you looks latino for them you are illegal rigth?!

  • Aaron
    June 22, 2009 4:14 p.m.

    It the law, right? Why dont we start by enforcing the polygomist laws.
    We are still debating SB 81 because Patriot Americans are hiring illegal immigrants to do the hard work and keep them off the book and not pay taxes. Thas why!

  • Anonymous
    June 21, 2009 2:22 p.m.

    Arrest all criminal invaders and those who do not up hold the laws in place that protect legal citizens.

  • jenni
    June 16, 2009 11:36 a.m.

    I totally disagree with all those that they have a close-mind and think the inmigrant people is stoling the american jobs. I hope it would be not to late for this state, becuase if illegal inmigrants left there would be not enough income to survive the crisis the BUSH get into...

  • Patriot
    June 11, 2009 6:57 p.m.


    We have 8 million employed illegals in this country driving down wages for legal Americans. How dare you criticize your own countrymen in support of law breakers and theifs. Get a clue about this invasion and stop blaming poor and uneducated blacks, whites and hispanic Americans for the invasion of thier lands.

  • No Problem
    June 11, 2009 5:50 p.m.

    Kids born here to illegal parents-no problem. Just give the mom a choice. She can go home and take her kid with her, or she can go home and leave the kid with legal relatives, or put it up for adoption. Either way the illegal person leaves. Its not right to award the illeagl woman by letting her sneak into the country, get pregant and stay the rest of her life. Send her back, send back any illegal males, and let the mom make a real hard choice.

  • Dave
    June 11, 2009 1:40 p.m.

    To me, this issue is the No. 1 issue with voters. Due to the fact that MANY cities STILL refuse to enforce the law, I suggest lawmakers add more "teeth" to it. When lawmakers re-convene in Jan. and sit around and wonder why they can't make the budget work, they should be considering how much they spend on services for illegals. Free healthcare, free social services, jobs lost that should be going to Utahns, etc. I get a little tired of lawmakers whining about not being able to make the budget work when they're giving away our hard-earned tax dollars to the illegals!

    Since the Feds REFUSE to enforce the law, it now falls to Utah State Govt. and local cities, whether we like it or not!

  • lost in DC
    June 11, 2009 1:02 p.m.

    Humane - who was it that said something about rendering unto Ceasar that which was Ceasar's? Have you had your identity stolen yet? has a relative been fired from his $20/hour construction job because the contractor found some illegals willing to do it for $8?

    Or perhaps you think it humane that human traffickers (sp?) are able to take advantage of the illegals and use them as virtual slaves, keeping them in substandard and unsafe living conditions (25 in a two room apartment locked from the outside) and collecting $15/hour for their labor and only giving them $3, after charging them $2500 to smuggle them into the country? yep, that's pretty humane. Why do you choose to ignore things like that?

    you like udocumented people coming here? you want to fling the border wide open? Great! Osama, send in a few hundred al qaeda operatives! we could do with a few hundred north korean operatives and chinese spies. the russians and iranians would love it to.

  • Typical for me
    June 11, 2009 12:56 p.m.

    where I live. WVC USED to be a nice area to live in. The illegals have pretty much taken it over. I make a fairly good income and could probably afford to move, BUT I REFUSE to give up. I keep hoping on hope, that they'll (someone) will enforce the law! I stop at the store this a.m. for a sandwich and have to wait behind a 30 something couple that doesn't speak a word of English that had 3 DIFFERENT purchases, one with the WIC vouchers, one for the food stamp vouchers, and one for the beer and coffee purchases. Which reminds me, I live right next to one of the "Mexican markets", and if those guys leaving there with beer are 21, I'm 130. I've tried calling the police and asking them to MAYBE do a sting and send someone in to check it out, but if they have I sure don't see any difference!
    Long story short, I've concluded there's one set of rules for illegals, another set of rules for all the rest of us!

  • Josh
    June 11, 2009 12:55 p.m.

    I guess the moderator didn't like my comment, it wasn't offensive but I AGREE with you Humane!

  • Josh
    June 11, 2009 12:47 p.m.

    In this meeting Rep. Herod said 46% of Hispanics are committing all the crimes in Utah. NOT TRUE Mr. Herod, simply NOT TURE, and if you say your not a racist that is sure a comment with racial undertones. So any of you who think a Mexican is coming to take your job, I say shame on you, shame on you for not using the many opportunities this wonderful country has to offer you to make yourself a better person. Shame on you feeling someone or our country owes you anything when you are not willing to better yourself because it might make you miss some of your beer drinking time. So I say go drink another and wait for you unemployment to come in and blame it on the Mexicans!

  • Josh
    June 11, 2009 12:46 p.m.

    Now for the future, Immigration is important and essential for and thriving economy, do some research. There is more upward mobility in class with immigrants than those who are Long time citizens. My belief is if we truly want to have a global economy then lets open our doors to everyone who is not a criminal. The children of immigrants for the most part go to college they get graduate degrees they become productive members of society. Their motivation is the same as yours and mine, the same as our ancestors who made it able for us to be born citizens of this great country. They want to provide for their families the best possible.

  • Josh
    June 11, 2009 12:45 p.m.

    I was there! The ironic thing about the emotions ran high part is all of the yelling and threats came from those for the bill. This whole argument comes down to money! Uneducated people are worried about losing their jobs to immigrant workers. News Flash! 1. For the most part immigrant workers are not taking your jobs. 2. If they are go out and take advantage of the wonderful education opportunities that are available to you. We have become a very entitled society and feel we are owed everything. NOT TRUE, if you have not got an education that is your fault you have had every opportunity to do so and still can if you havent. On the corporate side of things Large corporations lobby heavily to make sure immigration laws don't change and make sure local governments turn their heads to their companies.

  • Humane
    June 11, 2009 12:40 p.m.

    Where is the humanity? I would guess that the majority of the commenters on this page are christian. With that being said, where is IT? People are survivors and they do what is necessary to survive. Open the borders across the world. I love the undocumented people that come here. KEEP SURVIVING!!

  • Re: Curious
    June 11, 2009 11:01 a.m.

    Based on the statements and actions of some "immigrant activists" I would add the following:

    3. Laws requiring voters to be citizens

    4. Laws against identity theft

    5. Laws requiring a social security for employment

  • @Curious
    June 11, 2009 10:58 a.m.

    right because every law passed was a good idea right? maybe we should have never done away with segregation laws or the extermination orders on the LDS faith. comparing this bill to other sound law that may actually help the situation is a really weak argument to defend a bad bill.

  • dripping with sarcasm
    June 11, 2009 10:40 a.m.

    its hard to imagine that emotions ran high and they where not able to find any understanding of each other concerns at that meeting based on the very calm and rational responses on this thread.

  • Curious
    June 11, 2009 10:21 a.m.

    For those opposed to SB81-

    Please tell us ALL the laws which people should be allowed to ignore. If they are laws that can be ignored then they should be repealed as not necessary.

    Let me start the list far you, and then YOU add all the other laws;

    1. U.S. immigration laws requiring visa, and permission.

    2. U.S. having a secure border

    3. [for you to fill in...]

  • wallofvoodoo
    June 11, 2009 10:15 a.m.

    The reason that it will stay the same is becuase both sides of the aisle agree on the issue for different reasons. The Republicans get cheap labor for their rich contributors. The Democrats get an increase in supprot for programs for the poor & more votes for looking sympathetic. For both parties it is win win & like campaign finance reform & term limits will never change.

  • black saint
    June 11, 2009 9:47 a.m.

    We should adobe Mexico immigration laws. If the Mexican citizens do not rob, rape or kill illegals the Mexican government will. They unlike our Corrupt/Lawless politicians enforce their Immigration laws!

  • SB81
    June 11, 2009 4:57 a.m.

    Why is any american even considering defending any illegal aliens who has forced their way criminally across our borders for the sole purpose of being and economic dependent and thief? The only racial overtone is that they are all illegal mexicans, a single race identifiable by race. When there is no other way of identifying illegal foreign nationals except by race then this is what we are left with to establish illegals and deport them. These illegals have chosen their path and now must face the consequences. And for anyone to suggest parents abandon their children in a foreign country is deplorable. One measure that should be included in the SB81 bill is to deny citizen birth certificates to children of illegals because the certificates were falsified by the parents with stolen ID's or false names, therefore makes them and illegal document. Give these children certificates of birth in a foreign country and that they are not americans. These 'anchor babies' are a disgrace to america and don't deserve any credibility. These parents used these children as a pawn for illegal and criminal acts. Their shame is of their own making.

  • Utah Resident
    June 11, 2009 4:49 a.m.

    Why is SB-81 being debated?

    It passed... it's law! ENFORCE IT!

  • Silva
    June 11, 2009 1:26 a.m.

    Racial overtones? It punishes all people here illegally. How can that be racial?

    Children born here are not an issue. They would be going home with their parents Mr. Robles. Could you explain why you would think otherwise?