Man charged with threats against the president

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  • jann
    June 9, 2009 2:19 p.m.

    why in the world does this person have any guns? Sounds like he needs some serious inpatient psychiatric help.

  • RkyMtnPatriot
    June 6, 2009 5:46 p.m.

    For those citing the First Amendment protections of speech, it doesn't apply here. There is a Federal Law specifically prohibiting threats against the President.

    THREATS AGAINST PRESIDENT - 18 USC 871, makes it a Federal crime or offense for anyone to willfully make a true threat to injure or kill the President of the United States.

    A "threat" is a statement expressing an intention to kill or injure the President; and a "true threat" means a serious threat as distinguished from words used as mere political argument, idle or careless talk, or something said in a joking manner.

  • Hollywood
    June 5, 2009 6:21 p.m.

    I have personally heard some of Hollywood's liberals suggest they hoped President Bush would be killed and everyone just laughed! Why all the hysteria now? Because it a DEMOCRAT president! Oh! I get it now!

  • Anonymous
    June 5, 2009 6:12 p.m.

    odd | 10:37 a.m. June 5, 2009
    Someone once threatened to kill me. I told the police and they said there's nothing they could do since I didn't have it on tape. Why the double standard? Oh, that's right. I'm not a racial minority.
    Nor are you the President of the United States, buddy! This has NOTHING to do the "a racial minority" and everything to do with the President (and Vice President) of the United States of America, regardless of who is serving as President at any given time. Quit trying to make this a racial issue. Forrest Gump was right: "Stupid is as Stupid does"! It would do you good tol do a bit of research before making such foolhardy comments

  • NinaK
    June 5, 2009 6:05 p.m.

    It is illegal to make death threats against the President and the Vice President, period! Always has been and always will be. EVERY threat must be investigated, that is just the way it is. Why do you think they are surrounded by the Secret Service?? There are many evil people out there who could try to carry out their ill wills. If this guy needs mental health treatment, I am sure it will be made availabe to him! Where did he get all this money???? This needs to be looked into as well! Sounds like he forged the check for $85K. Cashed the check, put money in savings, and promptly withdrew it....sounds like "crooked money" to me.

  • Sara
    June 5, 2009 2:08 p.m.

    One flew over the coocoo's nest.

  • Frank
    June 5, 2009 1:03 p.m.

    I work at a financial institution and we've pulled the silent alarm for less. I'm wondering if they didnt already know he was full of hot air.

  • EnterTheTruth
    June 5, 2009 12:16 p.m.

    Why is it everyone advocates gun control? Why do you not want to admit the truth, gun control has NOT stopped the criminals from getting guns or killing with guns. All gun control stops is the law abiding citizen and will NEVER stop the criminal. That is because criminials don't care about the law or what it says, they ARE criminals. Wake up and see the truth!

  • Chris
    June 5, 2009 12:05 p.m.

    Boy, I'm sure glad we don't have any serious gun laws so that insane people like this can roam around the country with 8 firearms.

  • Clint
    June 5, 2009 11:58 a.m.

    If this guys has so many guns registered in his name that means he does not have a criminal record. Sounds like this guy got mad at the bank and started a little Turrets. Plus with no picture I think the media is making a bigger deal than what this is. I could only imagine the President receives 1000 threats a day.

  • only in utah
    June 5, 2009 11:57 a.m.

    he probably felt safe saying that trash here..kudos for the bank employee...where's the love they talk about? show some respect for the office..i showed mine for last eight years. life is just too short and precious to go around threatening it. a democracy is at stake..get this nutcase before he does hurt anyone.

  • Law and Order
    June 5, 2009 11:18 a.m.

    Maybe this guy has been hanging around with Ricky Koerber and that's where he got his cash. Carl Wimmer and Chris Cannon could coach him on extreme right wing posturing and how to use that to get away with anything illegal, as long as you are in Utah. Shurtleff will gladly look the other way. Chaffetz will supply the cover as a legit right wing kook, because he was elected by the citizens of Utah, right?

  • Please odd
    June 5, 2009 11:17 a.m.

    Is it odd? First off, you're not the President. Second, you have no proof of what you say.

    The bank instance had more than one witness; the man's words give motive; his actions are that of withdrawing a large amount of straight cash while threatening the teller; and the fact that the police know what they do about this man make this whole thing more credible than your heresay.

    So he'll get arrested but who knows if any charges will stick. If the man refutes everything, then they better have it recorded, or he probably will get off, but again, there were witnesses. The police have good reason to send out a warrant for his arrest knowing not only that the instance really occurred but that it can be prosecuted.

    Now you claim to be discriminated against for not being a racial minority over this. What next? That's just poor thinking.

  • Rob H
    June 5, 2009 10:58 a.m.

    I hate to hear stories like this. Regardless of anyone's politics, Barack Obama is an extraordianry president and has gotten the country out of a flat spin like a top gun pilot. But there are a lot of people out there, especially media loudmouths, who refuse to see what he is doing for the country. That can be inciteful for crazy nutjobs.

  • mksyed
    June 5, 2009 10:39 a.m.

    This man need to be arrested and put in super max security jail , If needed in Gitmo , Waterboard him to find who else with him and Denied any bond and tortured severely and openly so that rest of US People can see justice. I wonder why he Did not try or eventually killed Bush and Chainey that make me laugh ?? how funny these people are ? Are we afraid or imtimidated by these people. We are in a different Era and Different world. Time has changed. we have seen people throwing SHOE at Bush. What made us LAUGH for long time . Why these people are making these empty threat ?? Are we Afraid ?? Hey Wake Up ? World is changing ??

  • odd
    June 5, 2009 10:37 a.m.

    Someone once threatened to kill me. I told the police and they said there's nothing they could do since I didn't have it on tape. Why the double standard? Oh, that's right. I'm not a racial minority.

  • Naruto
    June 5, 2009 10:31 a.m.

    It is illegal to threaten to kill anyone, not just the president.

  • @Jason
    June 5, 2009 10:10 a.m.

    I would not suggest you try out your theory there Jason I hear their cutting back the meals at the jail. Try reading some case law and you will see the things you suggest are not protected under the first amendment, or just wait and your lawyer will explain it to you at your trial.

  • About guns...
    June 5, 2009 10:08 a.m.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but if i'm going to be robbed, i'd rather be shot and killed, rather than stabbed 15 times, get rushed to the hospital, in pain the whole time, and then die.

    Joking aside however...

    Will everyone please stop talking about what they "know"? Of all the previous comments, I think only 1 or 2 even had all their facts right.

    Its a good thing we live in America, where you can express your opinion.

    But I particularly like the comment from Bill to Billy James.

    All those advacating taking guns away need to take a hard look at history and how dictatorship works. If your enemies can't fight back, you win. Get all the big power on your side, stripping from the other, you win. Presto. Dictatorship.

    Any one remember how the founding fathers said if the government does go sour what we are to do? We are charged with overthrowing it and putting a new one in its place.

    So if a dictator follows the formula I layed down, those who are sane among us, cant do it. Dictatorship? Socialist? No difference.

  • All you anti right-wingers...
    June 5, 2009 9:44 a.m.

    ...had better be careful what you say in a public forum. There could be some left-wing nutcase reading who might be enticed into violence. You wouldn't want to be accused of hypocrisy, much less to share the blame for whatever atrocity said nutcase carries out.

  • dylbud
    June 5, 2009 9:42 a.m.

    To those who made the ridiculous comments about free speech: it doesn't apply here because it's against the law to make threats toward the President.

  • Bill to Billy James
    June 5, 2009 9:23 a.m.

    Yes, it is the right-wing gun nuts that don't want to give up their little toys that has caused all of the mass killings in this country.

    Lets see how much blame we can put on them so that we can take those guns away. Last I checked, Hitler went through Germany and had everyone register their guns, then went and took them away. The Communist Party of Russia did basically the same thing. Looking back those countries were then easy to overrun.

    Those so called gun-nuts are what has kept this country free of invasion for over 200 years. It is their right by the Constitution of these United States the right to bear arms. What is it going to take before the far left understands that GUNS DON'T KILL, people do. The gun can not fire itself. Maybe making laws that would make it harder for people like this to get a gun but as has been stated, if a criminal wants a gun they can get it whereas those who are lawbiding can't.

  • Jason
    June 5, 2009 9:18 a.m.

    "free speech doe not extend to threats of bodily harm to other regardless of who they are. I would be careful about making statements about being stupid when you post things like you just did if Jason "

    You are wrong. It is still freedom of speech. Saying I don't like someboy and drawing a picture of a bullet going through their brains (with big letters stating who the person is) is no more illegal than saying the words out loud. Carrying the gun and going to the whitehouse would be. The president and other people are threatened all the time, doesn't mean they intend to act on it.

    Free speech still applies.

    Now, since someone is wrong on the internet and I've corrected them, I feel better.

  • Billy James
    June 5, 2009 8:58 a.m.

    Only in the US, amongst civillized countries, does a seriously mentally man like this get to own eight (count 'em!) concealable weapons. It is lunacy. but the right-wing gun-nuts will never give up their little toys. Sad for the US, but it is only a matter of time until the next mass killing, perhaps in another college or school.

  • vitiator
    June 5, 2009 8:49 a.m.

    What does KRAZY have to do with politics or commentators? The government has never had a comprehensive database that allows potential gun purchasers to be cross referenced for criminal and mental fitness (provided this guy exists and was ever in treatment). The recall of a rambling statement of nonsense made to a bank teller who couldn't possibly have been expecting such a diatribe coupled with successfully threatening people to release $13k - and they release it! I want to know the name of that bank, I could use some cash! Come on, this story seems highly suspect to me and I'll go along with those who believe this has more to do with the Left's antigun agenda than Repulican based, red necked, racisit potential murderer. We as people need to avoid becoming sheepeople in the glorious new light of the Annointed One and his team of czars operating outside the controls of the Constitution set forth by our founders. Remember that the bad guys don't give a damn about gun laws now, more laws make no difference to them. We ought to guard what few freedoms we are still aloted very carefully.

  • Jason Chaffetz is posting again?
    June 5, 2009 8:48 a.m.

    Timothy McVey,

    "Was a right wing nut case."

    It's actually Timothy McVeigh but that's beside the point. The point is that conservatives by definition are unhinged and mentally unstable. You can't find a single conservative who isn't crazy because it's the basis of their belief system.

    Conservatives are by nature sociopaths. This is why Obama needs to be careful around any Republicans in Congress because any one of them could easily be a Murray who got themselves elected.

    Republicans and conservatives can't be trusted. Let's all pray that Obama will be safe from the right-wing crazies. The only thing that separates Timothy McVeigh from Representative Jason Chaffetz and Murray from Chaffetz is that Jason Chaffetz demonstrates his insanity by simply stating his opinion. McVeigh acted upon threats he made based on the same set of beliefs that Chaffetz holds. Murray hasn't acted on such threats yet but he like Chaffetz and McVeigh aren't far removed from doing so.

    Conservatives and their representatives are crazy and it is our duty to protect our loved ones from them and their votes which seek to harm us.

  • Murray for Congress
    June 5, 2009 8:40 a.m.

    Conservative Power,

    "Rush and Hannity would be proud of this guy!"

    Who wants to bet that Rush and Hannity would vote for Murray if he ran for Congress? I am sure that Murray would vote for both of them since they are three peas in a pod.

    When will we see the Murray for Congress signs just like we did when Jason Chaffetz ran for office. I'm sure if a nutcase like Jason can get elected than it wouldn't be to hard for Murray to get elected.

  • Timothy McVey
    June 5, 2009 8:29 a.m.

    Was a right wing nut case.

  • I dare you to threaten my family
    June 5, 2009 8:29 a.m.


    "This is just plain stupid. Ever heard of the first amendment?"

    The first amendment doesn't protect death threats, libel, slander or any other violation of the rights of others.

    "Last time, I heard, it still applies in the US. He probably just doesn't trust the banking system in its current flux and, at the same time, giving his opinion about the president."

    Saying you are going to kill someone is not an opinion. It is a death threat.

    "He can threaten the president all he wants and as long as he doesn't act on it, he should be in the clear."

    It's against the law to threaten anyone and if you do it to their face its also assault. A person does not have to endure the threats of others or put up with them claiming to have a right to threaten them or their families by saying things like "if you vote for a Democrat I am going to shoot you in Church on Sunday and if the Bishop tries to stop me I am going to kill him and his children too."

    Your rights stop where another begins.

  • Conservative Power
    June 5, 2009 8:19 a.m.

    Rush and Hannity would be proud of this guy!

  • flop2
    June 5, 2009 8:08 a.m.

    In fact, it was probably one of the best decisions Obama made - pick an absolute idiot for VP. Talk about a life insurance policy!!

  • flop
    June 5, 2009 8:06 a.m.

    For all of you blaming the media for this, you are pin-heads. This guy has to be mentally ill. I mean really, think about it. If Obama is assassinated, we would have Joe Biden for president. I can think of few things more ridiculous or dangerous for our country.

  • Well
    June 5, 2009 7:58 a.m.

    it's been well known for a long while, that any kinda threat to the President of the United States will be looked into very seriously, no matter how silly or serious it is.

  • Jose
    June 5, 2009 7:50 a.m.

    Hahaha. This country is starting to sound and act like Venezuela, and somebody in the Obama administration, is just making false accusations just like Hugo Chavez??. somebody at the FBI or CIA may be from Venezuela!!!! lol
    Bunch of morons...
    God Bless America

  • ObjectiveObserver
    June 5, 2009 7:39 a.m.

    The guy is obviously crazy...."We are 94 million miles from the sun..." bla bla bla.

    He's probably one of these racist right wing republicans who just completely lost his senses when an African American became president. His entire reality fell apart.

    He's not going to hurt anyone, he simply needs a psychiatrist and lots of anti-psychotics. He's probably withdrew his money and headed south for the border with the paranoid idea that the worlds coming to an end.

    What a waste of tax payer money to fund such a national man hunt.

  • Anonymous
    June 5, 2009 7:34 a.m.

    To Anonymous | 9:41 p.m. Good perspective. I voted for Obama, and I appreciate voters on the other side who put the interests of the country above partisanship.

    On the responsibility of media commentators, they need to think about the consequences of their words. I think they are more interested in just being controversial in order to drive up their core numbers, which results in ad sales, which results in higher salaries for them. People, remember this!

    Finally, on the gun issue, there needs to be some rational regulation. The NRA is way out of line in this day and age. Paranoia and extremism is harmful.

  • Barack H. Obama
    June 5, 2009 7:32 a.m.

    God bless our president. We had a EVIL dictatorship that robbed us for eight years. Finally the clouds have cleared and the sun is shinning. I love to see you redneck ingrates squirm.

  • roneida
    June 5, 2009 7:28 a.m.

    It is illegal to joke about security on a plane or talk about hijacking or talk about harming the president. One probably wouldn't do time for those crimes, but they surely would be thoroughly investigated. It has little to do with free speech but more to do with conspiracy.

    The rules seem harsh, but if investigating those threats prevents them from happening I guess we have to call it worthwhile.

    There are so many wackos around that any exposure has to be encouraged. Stable people don't express these thoughts and the nuts are so protected by the psychiatry industry who wants us to believe they can cure them that we should be grateful for some crack in the patient confidentially nonsense.

    Dangerous is dangerous.

  • @Igor amd Jason
    June 5, 2009 7:27 a.m.

    free speech doe not extend to threats of bodily harm to other regardless of who they are. I would be careful about making statements about being stupid when you post things like you just did if Jason

  • Mary
    June 5, 2009 7:13 a.m.

    I mean, how do we know this really happened word for word and who would remember that huge statement? I mean, really, usually the people making statements don't follow through. Just scary. I am more worried about the quiet ones (911)

  • ken williams
    June 5, 2009 6:46 a.m.

    one word. idiot! telling people what you're going to do.LMAO!!! he deserves to get charged.

  • igor
    June 5, 2009 6:38 a.m.

    A man is arrested and charged just because he said something? Is this country turning into a dictatorship with no civil liberties? What's next? Charging people for not supporting Obama? Is it just a matter of time until we have our very own Stalin regime here in America?

  • Czar
    June 5, 2009 6:27 a.m.

    This guy could be standing next to me in Wallmart and I wouldn't know it...where is his picture?

  • Crazy moneyman
    June 5, 2009 6:17 a.m.

    A nutcase trying to get attention.

  • k
    June 5, 2009 5:50 a.m.

    he sounds crazy

  • Walter
    June 5, 2009 5:39 a.m.

    First off, if what the teller states is true, then the man is as mentally unbalanced as the Obama Administration. Granted no one in their right mind should go after the Obaminater, he's doing a great job of political suicide on his own. However since they seem to think this news is worthy of being an Obama story, post a picture of the dude and quit posting pictures of Obama and his wife, I'm gagging over my breakfast looking at them everytime a news item appears with his arrogant condenscending face on it.

  • Anonymous
    June 5, 2009 5:13 a.m.

    I, too, object to the way this story is being handled -- but for a different reason. This man is clearly having a psychotic breakdown. A fairly classic one -- the visions, the paranoia, etc. Why is this unfortunate person being spread across the headlines of so many papers? Granted, if he's packing a bunch of firearms, he's dangerous. But not likely to the president. He needs treatment, rather than inspiring a mass of people to be looking out for him -- with the potential of causing a crisis situation where none need exist.

  • Mycroft999
    June 5, 2009 5:13 a.m.

    As a detention office I have dealt with many mentally ill people, I feel safe in saying this guy is seriously schizophrenic.

  • Bill R
    June 5, 2009 5:02 a.m.

    Whole story sounds contrived especially considering the attitude and threats he made toward the teller...Obviously he is mentally ill.... Sounds like great fodder for the Pelosi, Reid, and Feinstein bunch to get their gun control legislation passed. I can hear them now "Look only crazy people own guns and they try to kill the President" Never a mention from the anti-gun establishment about criminal uses of handguns and how our legal system is broken. Geesh...maybe I need to eat some of those crazy pancakes!

  • Grunambulax
    June 5, 2009 4:58 a.m.

    How exactly does someone who is almost undoubtedly a paranoid schizophrenic come to own that many firearms? Does absolutely everybody have the right to buy any legal weapon? Even among those of us that advocate the right to bear arms, is there no longer any common sense about restrictions?

  • tinkerlove
    June 5, 2009 4:48 a.m.

    It would have seemed that this clerk would have said something to someone while he was still at the bank, not only does it seems that he would hurt the president but also anyone else that comes into his path, he sounds like a loose cannon, I hope that they really hurry and catch this fool sooner than later

  • Jason
    June 5, 2009 4:45 a.m.

    This is just plain stupid. Ever heard of the first amendment? Last time, I heard, it still applies in the US. He probably just doesn't trust the banking system in its current flux and, at the same time, giving his opinion about the president.

    He can threaten the president all he wants and as long as he doesn't act on it, he should be in the clear.

  • brutallyfrank
    June 5, 2009 4:40 a.m.

    you can thank bill o'reilly, sean hannity, rush limbaugh, and dick cheney for inciting folks like this jack-off.

  • Me
    June 5, 2009 4:39 a.m.

    Another brainwashed nutjob and threatening psychopath who was legally allowed to buy weapons.

  • Rich
    June 5, 2009 4:37 a.m.

    This is the result of right wing pundits in the like-forms of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck etc, when they use incitful words to entice wackos like Daniel James Murray to use violent acts against anyone who they deem dangerous to America when they ( Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck etc) who are the real danger to this country. As their tent gets smaller, their hate grows bigger.

  • Anonymous
    June 5, 2009 4:35 a.m.

    The Uni-Bomber was a left-wing, Al Gore fan.

  • JD
    June 5, 2009 4:20 a.m.

    I'm calling BS... Really? $13k w/ no id... and the guy threatens the teller and there's no police involved. I want to know how this psycho is sitting on 100k in the first place.

  • Michael
    June 5, 2009 4:15 a.m.

    They guy obviously needs some treatment. But what people are missing is the blatant attempt by the reporter handguns via:
    The guns range from semiautomatic pistols to revolvers "some capable of carrying 15 rounds of ammunition, and all easy to conceal,"...

    Some members of Congress, mostly Democrats of course, have long tried to control not only gun ownership but large capacity magazines. Many many pistols made today carry upwards of 17 rounds and almost ALL are easily concealed.

    This guy should not have handguns, but the inclusion of statements like this just inflame the gun ownership arguments that really have nothing to do with a crazy guy running around making threats to the President.

  • Republicans are Insane
    June 5, 2009 4:09 a.m.

    These are the kinds of people Republicans go out of their way for to make sure nut jobs like this guy can own firearms. As far as the banks failing and the economy that is all Bush's fault.

  • Zeety
    June 5, 2009 2:35 a.m.

    I don't even know why this story is out there if he's not in custody. Why are they telling him they're looking for him? Now he's on to the game and will go further underground. Stupid if you ask me.

  • Christian Seaborn
    June 5, 2009 1:46 a.m.

    The whole way this thing is being reported is just plain stupid. If there is a nationwide hunt for this man why are the news media (including this publication) not running a photo of this person? We all know what Pres. Obama looks like. We don't need to see his photo. And of course the FBI, etc. should have a photo of this man. He had to have been photographed by the bank's camera system. They also know he is from NY. Certainly the NY DMV has a photo of him.

  • Anonymous
    June 5, 2009 1:40 a.m.

    Someone had extra crazy syrup on their insanity pancakes for breakfast. I wish I had this guy's bank, I have trouble getting money out of mine even with my ID.

  • mem
    June 5, 2009 12:41 a.m.

    See what happens when people listen to right wingers.

  • Anonymous
    June 4, 2009 9:41 p.m.

    That's not a very intelligent thing to even mention a threatening tone to anyone about the President. I didn't cast my vote for Mr. Obama, but he is still the President of the US. There still needs to be respect given to him and the office he holds.

  • Anonymous
    June 4, 2009 9:36 p.m.

    the way its reported from the lib ur trib. They make it sound like hes from utah.

  • Anonymous
    June 4, 2009 9:00 p.m.

    I feel bad for the secret service. They have to sift through and figure out who the nutcakes are that are just nutcakes and the nutcakes that actually mean what they say. This wouldn't happen if people would just realize that just because they dont agree with something the whole world is still turning