To oh please,The difference between 90% and 17% is quite large but
the problem is that neither number is representative of the actual number of
guns from America. The Mexican government confiscated 29,000 guns of which
6,000 were given to the FBI as suspected to have come from the America. The FBI
was only able to identify 17% (1,000+) of the 6,000 as being purchased in the
USA. As usual, the media misrepresented the statistics. In reality, the number
we should be looking at is around 3% of the total 29,000 confiscated guns. In
reality, the number we should be looking at is around 3% of the total 29,000
confiscated guns. In reality, the number we should be looking at is around 3% of
the total 29,000 confiscated by the Mexican government.Hillary
Clinton is the source of the 90% number which has no place in fact and was
pulled by her out of the air. She has never been able to justify from where the
number came. Once she used the number, the Obama administration and the press
ran with it without verification.
How many of you have ever had to defend yourselves with a gun? It almost never
happensThe most conservative estimate of citizens using firearms to
defend themselves against crime is over 100,000 times annually according to the
Department of Justice. Other studies from organizations and institutions
independent of advocacy groups have placed that number from 700,000 times a year
to three million. It happens all the time.Also, how many times have
you used a fire extinguisher to keep your house from burning down? Most people
havent. Does that mean that we shouldnt keep fire extinguishers in our homes?
How many times have you used CPR to save a life? Most people havent as well.
So should they discontinue CPR training?More harm is done by a
country mile by misuse, accidents, stupid gun owners, kids getting into themAccording to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention deaths from
accidental gunshot wounds in 2006, the latest data available, were 642 which is
less than two a day nationwide. Deaths from accidental gunshot wounds in
persons under the age of 21 were 192 which is less than one a day nationwide.
Do you know how many people in Oregon applied for Utah CHL's? Something to think
about. We want our second amendment rights.Never forget our
Constitutional Rights, Under the Second Amendment
Re: Oh Please @ 1:44 p.m. April 29, 2009.Your tendancy to stereotype
gun owners with "rednecks" is insulting. Most of the people you call "rednecks"
are the salt of the earth. They would give you the shirt off their back. These
men and women are the first to volunteer when their country needs them.
Re: The real k9 | 1:09 p.m. April 29, 2009.Some things are better
left unsaid, real K9. Now the hoplophobes will be listing pump shotguns as
assault weapons.Seriously though, you hoplaphobes should take note
that the average hunting rifle and/or shotgun has more firepower than a
so-called "assault rifle". Most people who know about firearms have a nickname
for the M16 and the AR-15 style weapons. They call them "poodle shooters". (Now
we'll probably get a few PETA folks up in arms for relaying that little
tidbit).Incidentally, hoplaphobe = one who suffers from
hoplophobia.hoplaphobia = an unnatural and unhealthy fear of weapons
in particular and firearms in general.
Samaritan said: "Our Rights come from God, we lend a few to the government for
our protection. When a government seeks to act in a manner that is detrimental
to the Rights of its citizens then we have a Right to withhold our support, and
our consent, from that government."We don't lend the government our
rights. People, not governments, have rights. Governments have power, or
authority, which they (governments) derive from the people they govern. This is
the foundation that our system of government is built upon.The Bill
of Rights (the first ten amendments to the Constitution of the United States)
came about because many of the founders believed it neccessary to specify
certain rights that needed to be protected from usurpation by government. The
argument by some was that because the Constitution only gave government specific
power and/or authority, that a bill of rights was not neccessary. Fortunately for us, those that thought it neccessary prevailed. So certain
rights are specifically enumerated as rights to be protected, amoung those, the
right to keep and bear arms. They also sought to protect rights not specifically
enumerated, which is the reason for the 9th amendment.
With all due respect, Senator Hatch, the 2nd Amendment does not "confir" the
right of the People to keep and bear arms. That right exists appart from any
law. What the 2nd Amendment does is to protect the People's right to keep and
bear arms. That is true of all our founding documents where rights are
concerned. The Constitution and Bill of rights regulat the government, not the
People.As for the figures you gave concerning firearms confiscated
by Mexican authorities; 17 percent is the percentage of guns the Mexican
authorities submitted to the ATF for tracing. 90 percent of those firearms
submitted to the ATF were found to originate from the US. However, those who
would disarm American citizens make it sound like it is 90 percent of all the
firearms that are confiscated. Nor do they take into account the firearms our
government has sold Mexico, which in turn were sold to criminals by people from
within their own corrupt government.Thank you, Senator Hatch, for
standinding with The People on this issue.
Re: Anonymous!!! You have got to be joking right!!! Anyone can tell from your
statement that you don't have any experience with guns. No kids get into my guns
they are in a safe. If you want to talk about stupid gun owners it sounds like
your one of them. It sounds like to me that your one of these people that needs
big brother to do your thinking for you. Well I have defended myself with a gun
and I know for a fact that many other people have to. You just don't see it on
CNN. Several times I have caught theives trying to steal things out of my truck.
And when that red laser dot is on their chest if they have a weapon or not they
are frozen and under my control till the police arrive. Lucky for them they
didn't try anything or I would have shot them for sure!!! And I would not have
regreted it. Just because you haven't needed to defend yourself don't tread on
me. Substantial experience you say? I think not. Substantialy un-educated and
narrow minded "BINGO"
" We can have an open and honest debate on these issues, or we can engage in
pointless stereotypes in order to marginalize the opposition."A
common tactic of the command-and-control left is to avoid the unnecessary and
complicated mess of actually having an "honest debate."Honest debate
requires factual information, thoughtful consideration, and a truth orientation.
None of these things are highly valued. It is better to simply label people as
"gun nuts" "insensitive" "anti-whatever"-- and the labels go on.If
people don't show up to the debating field, you cannot play the game.
i think it odd that some would choose to equate arms with "nukes" and ignore the
much more likely circumstance of high explosive bombs---it is a fact that i do
not now or ever have had a bomb, but i do now own items and materials that could
be used to make a bomb and have the knowledge to build such if i felt it was
needed to preserve my own or others life---so we should start regulating those
materials---that would include such dangerous things as the magnesium wheels on
my car and the fertilizer used in the garden and yard and the household cleaners
with which i keep my home tidy---get real folks and quit living in fear of
guns---be wary of people and live free and allow all others the same
privilege---or maybe we should just prevent education so can't think for
Anonymous: "You all make me laugh! How many of you have ever had to defend
yourselves with a gun? It almost never happens. More harm is done by a country
mile by misuse, accidents, stupid gun owners, kids getting into them, angry
family members and the like than by the boogieman that you love to talk
about."I guess you don't know that guns are used annually 1-3
million times per year to avert crime. That's the best and most authoritative
research. Sorry, your opinion that "more harm is done" is simply wrong.
Stay in California where your liberal views and statements are intoxicating to
the uninformed and misled. We have a constitutional rights to have guns. Why
don't you go spend your time to continue fighting for gay marriage or joining
the Band of Thebes?
You all make me laugh! How many of you have ever had to defend yourselves with
a gun? It almost never happens. More harm is done by a country mile by misuse,
accidents, stupid gun owners, kids getting into them, angry family members and
the like than by the boogieman that you love to talk about. Be macho men all
you like, but guns are WAY overrated. I have substantial experience with them,
so I am not coming from a position of ignorance. I'm just not emotional about
guns. Good grief, people, look at your priorities in life.
This really isn't that hard. From the constitution we have the right to Life,
Liberty and the persuit of happiness. It's really quite basic but with thethese
rights we also must excersise responsibility along with these rights because if
you think through it when you or someone infringes upon the rights of another
person then you must be held responsible for that infringment. So you have the
right to just about anything as long as you don't infringe on anothers right to
life liberty and their persuit of happiness. If that means you want to own an
assualt rifle then you must exercise responsibility in doing so. So it comes
down to being responsible and respecting the rights of others. The anti gun
crowd and the raving liberals have used polictical correctness to undermine the
basic rights as expressed in the constitution using arguments that smoke screen
our basic rights and appeal to people who would try to pass of the
responsibility of some onto others when they they themselves have failed to act
responsibly. No one is required to come to the aid of someone who has infringed
on anothers right or acted irresponsibly.
We have rights that predate the nation, predate guns, predate books, and most
certainly, democrats and marxists! Disarming innocent people is treason, whether
or not a god exists. And, people like gun control traitos, should contemplate
the fact that some folks' belief in god are the only reason you have not been
hauled out and hanged for the traitors you are.
I have guns and I will have guns. No nut job, or group of nut job's are going to
deprive me of my constitional rights. You can argue pro's and con's tell h**l
freezes over, but it doesn't change anything. You who want to intoxicate
yourself with gun control ideas and slogans, go spend your time doing something
constructive, or at least leave those of us alone who are going to observe this
time honored tradition of having firearms.
Re: The Facts 6:13pm April 29: The statistics youre quoting may or may not be
accurate. But even if they are, you are presenting them in isolation, without
any context. For one thing, you havent quoted the actual numbers for those
states which exceeded the national average, so we dont know if they are just
barely higher. Also, in your anti-gun argument, you triumphantly
cite the higher gun death rates in those states with less restrictive gun laws,
as if this proves that gun control works. However, for all we know, it just
may be that the higher rates occur because in those states the better armed
citizenry is able to shoot criminals who are attempting violent attacks. This
is a GOOD thing, and it has a DOUBLE benefit: It gets rid of some of the bad
guys, and it probably also lowers the crime rate. If you look to
the VPC for honest analysis on gun-related issues, youre going to be waiting a
THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WANT TO BE OUT GUNNED BY THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED
STATES FOR FEAR WE WILL ONE DAY WAKE UP AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.THEY KNOW OUR FORE-FATHERS GAVE US THE RIGHT TO DENY WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS
DOING TO US RIGHT NOW BY ALLOWING US THE ABILITY TO FIGHT BACK ON EQUAL
GROUND.THEY WANTED US TO BE OUT GUNNED ( AT FIRST ) NOW THEY WANT US
TO BE DE-GUNNED SO THEY CAN DICTATE US.PERIOD!
We have guns. We will keep our guns. Everyone in our family knows how to use a
gun, hunt, take of themselves. It's not a nuclear weapon. Washington is afraid
of the "great unwashed" masses having any defense. Most crimes are committed by
those that have guns illegally. And NO laws will help that point. NON, NADA,
ZILCH!! Plus, some of you are so concerned with spelling, or how a
sentence was structrued..obviously you have no better argument so you try to cut
someone down with trivial things..doesn't work..the rest of us have a brain and
get past such things..try it sometimes..AND ... "OH PLEASE" 1:44
p.m. April 29, 2009 YOU need to get a life, and take that stick
out. Feigning Piety is so unbecoming.
Interestingly, the guns of choice among both the criminal class and the honest
people in Mexico are Kalashnikov and M-16 machine guns. Neither of these are
available in the U.S, but can be purchased on the street in Mexico for less
money than the semi-automatic replicas that are for sale in the U.S.
Correction,Instering, According to the National Center for Injury
Prevention and Control at the CDC, the total number on deaths by accidental
firearms discharge was 642.
Instering, According to the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control at
the CDC, the total number on deaths by accidental firearms discharge was 789.
Oh Please, also, all rifles combined which include those scary looking AR-15s,
AKs, SKS Etc. account for only three percent of murders nationwide. In 2007 the
total was 450. That comes to less than two murders per day nationwide. This
not only means that no one in your state will be murdered with a rifle today
tomorrow or the next day but this week, the next week, and yes even the week
after that. In fact, four times as many murders are committed knives or other
cutting instruments, and more murders are committed with blunt objects like
baseball bats, hammers, clubs Etc. or hands, fists, feet, Etc. than with all
rifles combined. Since these weapons are so rarely used in crime the government
has no compelling reason to reinstate the so called Assault Weapons ban
If the right to bear (not "bare," the usual spelling encountered among rednecks)
arms is absolute, then shouldn't I be able to own a bazooka or even a nuke?
Aren't they "arms"?Oh Please, oh please, no. At the time the Bill of
Rights was ratified Arms were defined as rifles, pistols, and swords.
Many points can be argued, facts cannot.Fact: criminals who are
willing to kill are not deterred by gun control laws, pass all you want.Fact: Self defense is legal.Fact: Armed self defense is more
likely to be effective against armed attack.Fact: The Supreme Court
has ruled that the second amendment is an individual right.So those
of you who think we can buy machine guns, RPGs, and grenades at gun shows, rave
on! It's impossible to argue with you.
I have posted several comments already on this subject. I want to say how proud
I am of the true gun owners and the knowledge that they have about their sport
and about weapons. Being educated about firearms is the first step to
enlightenment. Those of you who served in the military as I did deserve respect
and admiration for having the guts to defend our nation and having the
patriotism to truly understand what it means to be free. When you are standing
knee deep in mud 10,000 miles from home being shot at. I don't know any Marine
on my flight home that did not kiss the ground when they got off the plane on
U.S. soil. As for the liberals who live under this blanket of protection
provided by people who have given their lives to protect our freedoms. Remember,
they fought with guns because they had no other choice. And, if you ever had
your life in jeapordy with no way to defend yourselves and got rescued by people
with guns that were willing to defend you to the death you would keep your mouth
shut about taking someone elses freedoms.
Reply to whomever wrote about pump action shotguns being banned. Your absolutely
right that they know what pump actions can do and how fast they can do it. They
just can't put that mystique word "assualt rifle" on it. Although there are
assault shotguns and really the only difference is round capacity. I served in
the United States Marine Corp proudly and I will never surrender my firearms to
anyone. Pump actions did well in the cong tunnels. Better than a .45 colt and a
blackout light. Of course if you could use it, propane was the best. But, it was
just as dangerous to carry around as a flamethrower. Usually only former
military people know the limitations of an assault rifle fired in full auto.
When I was qualifing with the M-16 A1, I shot rifle expert for 4 years in a row.
I did not use full auto though. So many people don't understand that it's very
difficult to shoot full auto and hit anything. That's why they are going to
burst instead. I do not own a black rifle. It sounded like it was flying apart.
It gave you shooters eye too.
I think that DLP hit it right on the head.You can't *really* control
a people until they are unarmed...
One of the two reasons Hitler would not Attack Switzerland was because the
citizenship of the country was armed. The people with their weapons was the army
I think it's time for the politicians and media to stop scheming for more gun
control and start looking at "CRIMINAL CONTROL".
John F. Kennedy said it best."Today we need a nation of minute men;
citizens who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the
preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life and who are
willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom. The cause of
liberty, the cause of American, cannot succeed with any lesser effort."--
President John F. Kennedy, January 29, 1961
To "Oh Please": The NRA uses accurate statistics; the liberal media twists the
truth to their anti-gun agenda. Do some unprejudiced research! People like you
don't understand that banning so-called assault weapons leads to banning of
others. I have the right to own firearms that are equal to or better than the
criminals, and especially the terrorists and drug cartel. These firearms are
also used for hunting, plinking, and national and state match competition.
Criminals will always have guns; they do not obey the law! Look no further than
Great Britain and Australia to see the results of gun bans. Wake up!
I would not have a problem with my next door neighbor possessing "bazookas and
nukes" - he is totally trustworthy. The problem is can he secure them from those
who are not? The second amenment was talking about military weapons in addition
to those for self difence and hunting. It is still there and upheld.
A firearm, in its simplest form, is a tool. A radial arm saw, saws-all,
scewdriver, hammer, knife, rope, chainsaw, blowtorch, wrench, etc, are also
tools. Any one of these items could very effectively be implemented to cause
death (by accident or intentional mis-use.) All but the first "tool" I mentioned
are primarily and naturally used for constructional purposes. Case-in-point, You
wouldn't expect a contractor's crew to be effective unless they were equipped
(armed) with these tools. Likewise, Our for-fathers knew that firearms were the
best tools in defending their new found freedoms. You can't expect the American
citizens to effectively check the governments power unless we can be armed
(equipped) with the proper tools. Our for-fathers were American citizens
first-the governing body is to be made up of citizens- not power hungry
politicians who want to dictate how their subjects should live. If we actually
had compitent officials, we could get the criminals off the streets. Then,
there would be no reason to have guns on the streets. I could keep mine in the
safe, except when I use it to hunt or target shoot!
Well, RW, if the political right scares you that much, then hide in your
basement, right along with the few remaining Women's Christian Temperance Union
types whose irrational, religious fear of alcohol foisted Prohibition on this
country for almost 20 years. You and they woil be safe from gunsels and drunks -
Mom'll bring you HoHos and lemonade.
I think Orrin is pandering to the NRA, who must have secret fantasies about
The statistic is this:17% of the guns seized in Mexico were thought
to come from the US. Of that 17%, 90% were traced, definitively, to the US. Note that means 83% of the guns in the Mexican drug raids did not come
from the US. Think about it, why pay $1,000 for an AR-15 when you can pay $200
for a Chinese or other knock-off...? Drug dealers try to control their expenses
Oh Please- you said "There's absolutely no reason for any law-abiding citizen to
own an assault rifle."Tell that to the Swiss; I'm sure you'll get
some interesting answers. One of the lowest crime rates in the world, and the
Germans stayed away in the 30's and 40's.The purpose of the second
amendment is to permit the populace to be armed at least equally with the
government forces they may have to face should an attempt be made to establish
tyranny. If you choose not to resist, most of the rest of us believe in your
freedom to choose. Enjoy your chains.We now have an administration
which has proposed a "civilian security force", as well equipped and funded as
the military. The only check on such an organization is the fear in the thugs'
hearts that they stand a good chance of not coming home from their forays
against their master's political opponents.Hitler's Brownshirts
would have quickly dissolved had an armed populace resisted, but the people were
We New Yorkers are about to get it good by the self righteous protectors of
life.(Gun Nanny's) The only recourse we have is to unite and vote their butts
out of office. Their not listening!!!!
The government does not consider criminals a threat to government, only an
annoyance, easily dealt with.Government considers gun owning law abiding
citizens a very real threat; these are the people they want to disarm.This
is why all gun laws are directed against law abiding gun owners. If they can
criminalize all gun owners then they can deal with us easily.Don't you
know, we are now considered to be 'extremists'.
Oh Please! You don't live next door to a person who owns a machine gun, bazooka,
nor a 20 mega-ton warhead. The 83% of guns seized in Mexico bore no serial
numbers, indicating they did not come from the USA.Your facts are
not facts, and you certainly are grossly exaggerating the types of weapons at
issue. Civilian AR's are not machine guns, they only fire one bullet at a time,
like as standard hunting rifle. What is obvious is that you are merely a Troll
who gets a kick out of antagonizing.Have a Great Day!Rich-D
It's interesting the way South African farmers, after being required by law to
keep their guns in a locked safe, were found raped and skinned alive.
Invariably, before killing them, the house invaders would make them open their
safe so they could steal their guns, no doubt for future use on another "law
abiding" family.The South African experience shows that people can
and will be controlled to the point of stupidity by a central government, even
to the extreme of denying the actual dangerous conditions in which they live.Is there any hope for Liberty given the nature of humanity? Given all
of human history to review, the American experiment, and the notions of Liberty
from which it and all civil rights ever introduced came, appear to be an
anomaly. The standard human condition appears to be one of parent to child,
with the government as parent and the people as children, controlled in what
they say, do, and think, and controlled in the "dangerous ideas" they are
exposed to.Clearly, America is on that path today.
Should have said "How many GUN deaths in the Rwanda machette massacres?"
To "The Facts"The simple fact is the VPC is lying. Kates and Mauser in the
Harvard Law Review show that the total homicide rates are independent of
firearms ownership rates:"...murder rates are determined by basic
socio‐cultural and economic factors rather than mere availability of some
particular form of weaponry. Consider Norway and its neighbors Sweden, the
Netherlands, and Denmark. Norway has far and away Western Europes highest
household gun ownership rate (32%), but also its lowest murder rate. The
Netherlands has the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe (1.9%), and
Sweden lies midway between (15.1%) the Netherlands and Norway. Yet the Dutch gun
murder rate is higher than the Norwegian, and the Swedish rate is even higher,
though only slightly." Google WOULD BANNING FIREARMS REDUCEMURDER
AND SUICIDE?A REVIEW OF INTERNATIONAL ANDSOME DOMESTIC EVIDENCEDON B. KATES* AND GARY MAUSER"Gun deaths" is a VPC red herring.
How many deaths in the Rwanda machette massacres? Also, the Brady
campaign gave N.D. an F for gun control in 2008. How many firearms homicides
that year? ZERO!They are propaganda mills. Don't believe a word they say!
Although he's more correct than my IL senators, he's in too long, term limits,
vote out the incumbents, they drove us here!
Most gun owners did not vote in the last election....make sure we ALL do in the
Please note....Liberals know how effective pump action weapons are. That is why
they are targeting to ban pump acion weapons in Switzerland...as well as ban the
time honored, and safe, practice of citizen militia members keeping their
military...full automtic, assault weapons at home. I chose the pump shotgun for
home defense....really effective...deadly in VC tunnels in Nam.
The FBI says that firearms are used in one third of all murders. The other two
thirds are hands and feet,blunt object,and edged weapons. So we must ban all
knives,scissors,letter openers,baseball bats tire irons, hands and feet etc.
Open your minds from your irrational fear of guns. The NRA only has 4 million
members. There are 90 million households in the USA with 260 million REGISTERED
guns(rifles,shotguns and handguns) and they haven't committed one crime.
Mr/Ms RW..."The lynch mob mentality of the current right-wing wackos scares me.
They carry guns!"....the Left-wing, Socialists ("Progressives"), "News
Reporting" (er,..news manipulating) Media, Liberal, anti-Americans scare me
much more that any law abiding, patriotic American citizen's gun. Yes, there
are wackos out there, as the anti-gun media highlights instead of the 80,000,000
patriotic, law abiding, safe, Second Amendment supporting gun owners. The
media's mantra...."Blood and guts" leads at 6:00PM.....and manipulates the
gullible, uneducated masses.Your perception and understanding of
Conservatives, guns, wackos have been effectively media manipulated to view them
as interchangeable. Many more people are killed annually via cars and drugs than
guns. Why aren't you fearful of cars? Ah, you don't have experience with guns,
but you do use cars. Individuals fear what they do not understand and are
manipulated to fear. The media has an agenda to destroy the Second Amendment
and related gun ownership to attain their hidden agenda.
More Facts at 6:25 writes that you are safe from gun crime in gun-crime hot
zones such as New York and New Jersy.Really?And the
statistics that "More Facts" write lists that the US is behind Mexico for death
rate from firearms.Notice anything weird about those statistics?Well, I'll tell you what I thought was weird about those
statistics..."More Facts" left out all of the African
continent...And the Middle East...The .gov got so powerful in many
African countries, and the people were disarmed and unprepared, entire villages
were raped, and the (unarmed) people killed...So when some liberal
shows up with "More facts" rest assured they are just really trying to get you
to "ignore" the facts.The liberals want a disarmed people. It is
that simple.Why do they want a disarmed people?Look to
what .gov did to its people in Africa to find out why liberals want a disarmed
people...Liberals know that they can only control a disarmed
Dear Oh Please: As to your judgmental pronouncement..."There's absolutely no
reason for any law-abiding citizen to own an assault rifle. The right to bear
arms doesn't extend to bazookas or nukes, either." You have just justified why
the founding fathers inserted the Second Amendment. They knew that individuals
such as yourself (or Obama, Pelozi, Clinton, Schummer,...) would feel qualified
and annointed to decide for others what type of, and if/when, weapons would be
necessary and appropriate for the intended purpose of self defense and resisting
the future generations' "King George" government. The Second Amendment is not
about hunting or sport shooting as many anti-gunners attempt to use as an
"appropriateness test" to confuse/divert/change the Second Amendment's true
intent and power. They do not want power to reside with the people. They want
the power over the people. That's what it is all about...who has the power to
decide who has the rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
You are correct in that most cases Americans don't need assault rifles. Do you
know what an assault rifle is? It's a fully automatic machine gun; one that is
capable of firing continously with one pull and hold of the trigger until the
trigger finger either releases the trigger or the weapon runs out of ammunition.
What the news media and politicians generally refer as an assault weapon is
merely a semi-automatic firearm that sends ont one bullet per trigger sqeeze,
regardless of the appearance of the firearm. I've seen demonstrations of a
shooter firing two six-shot revolvers firing faster and more accurately than a
Dear "Oh Please"..."A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of
a free state, the right of a the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed.".....which words do you feel restrict which type, how many, and on
which squares of US soil, that lawful citizens have the right to keep and bear
arms?? Only through demonizing of guns by anti-America Liberal media/educators,
politicians, Bill Aryes/Ward Churchill/Obama/Schummer/Clintons types have the
precepts in the founding Constitution/Bill of Rights douments (now considered
"inconvenient documents" by our anti-American politicos) have citizens come to
believe that certain types/colors/features of guns/weapons, in certain
buildings/locations, for which purposes (self defense/tyrannical government
ouster/hunting/sport shooting/collecting/door props, or whatever,...) are "bad."
Oh, Please...Why is it that as soon as someone of your political leaning ways in
on the gun issue, the "there is no legitimate reason for owning an assault
weapon, bazooka or nuke" comes out? It is amazing that instead of engaging in
sensible debate; those who denigrate the hobbies and interests of law-abiding
gunowners always revert to ridiculous emotional outbursts. Why is that? We who
enjoy our Second Amendment rights do not seek to stop others from enjoying their
hobbies. Learning to shoot at a very early age, I learned patience,
responsibility, attention to detail, safety, courtesy and to value my rights and
to respect the rights of others. I also own plenty of "assault weapons" as you
like to refer to them. Yet somehow I have never hurt anyone, don't have ANY
criminal record, not even a parking ticket, but maybe you think I am still a
danger to the public because of my interests that you don't agree with? I will
await a logical and reasoned response, but I will not be holding my breath in
anticipation of one. Please prove me wrong.
In 1998, the death rate from firearms was roughly 10 per 100,000 people. The
next highest industrialized country was Finland with 6.86. Estonia and Mexico
had over 12 per 100,000. People can argue all day about the
Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, but the facts are clear. More guns, more
deaths from guns.
States in the South and Westwith weak gun laws and high rates of gun
ownership lead the nation in overallfirearm death rates according to a new
analysis issued today by the ViolencePolicy Center (VPC) of Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data.The new VPC analysis uses
2005 data (the most recent available) from the CDC'sNational Center for
Injury Prevention and Control. The analysis reveals thatthe five states
with the highest per capita gun death rates were Louisiana,Alaska,
Montana, Tennessee, and Alabama. Each of these states had a per capitagun
death rate far exceeding the national per capita gun death rate of 10.32per 100,000. By contrast, states with strong gun laws and low
rates of gun ownership hadfar lower rates of firearm-related death.
Ranking last in the nation for gundeath was Hawaii, followed by
Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey, and NewYork.Reuters April
Following are two quotes from George Washington..."Firearms are second
only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's
teeth.""The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains
evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."Mr. Cline...admiration to you sir..SALUTE!! Price of Freedom payments
were paid at Concord/Lexington, European/Pacific Theatres, Viet Nam/Kuwait,
Irag/Afganhistan. Next payment may have to be paid within our own borders.
Liberal, anti-2A, anti-gunners like to see pro-2Aers waste time/energy on citing
facts....THEY DON'T CARE..THEY HAVE AGENDAS TO DESTROY THIS GREAT COUNTRY!! Japs
feared invading US mainland with gun behind every tree....so do
Socialists/"Obamas"...therefore DHS Napolotano's anti-veteran (patriot)
bulletin. Learn from history..or be doomed to repeat it!! Fortunately 1773-1778
patriots INDIVIDUALLY had then current technology assualt weapons to oust the
Redcoats rather than registered, taxed, King of England approved/authorized bows
and arrows...no quivers holding over 10 arrows!! Taxation, fees, gun/assault
weapon bans, registration, ammo restrictions, gun manufacturer
legislation/lawsuits, every form of gun control,.....INFRINGE individual rights
to well regulated militia.
A look at the statistics, annually 250,000 deaths from automobiles, 5000 deaths
from guns. Why the overkill of legislation and political hot air on gun
ownership for such a small statistical death figure?
After all the rhetoric and debate I was looking for a conversion to either side.
I didn't see any.
You brings up an interesting question.IF the reasons behind the
second admendment are mainly for military puposes, including the posssiblity of
the need for the people and/or the states to fightback against a tyrannical
goverment,then perhaps there should be very few if any limits. The government would sure have to understand they need stay in line and
reflect the will of the people or states.But the left seems to have
very irrational fears of guns.either that or have deep seeded agenda
to disarm and dispower the people.
The Constitution is the foundation of our Country, however, you have to wonder
if it is worth the paper that it was written on if it can be changed or modified
at the whim of every Tom Dick and Harry that want to challenge it to fit thier
ideas of how it should be or when a new administration comes in. It's truly
hanging by a thread with just a simple vote of the Supreme Court. You hear the
term "UNCONSTITUTIONAL", well hell, to change that lets just get the Supreme
Court together, or nominate a new member of the court and we'll make it
Constitutional. Really is sad.
Why shouldn't a citizen own an assault weapon? That's the best kind to have if
we have to take back our country from the likes of you.I guarantee
there are many non-citizens carrying assault weapons in this state as we speak.
Why should they have more firepower than me?
Thank you Senator Hatch, for being a positive political and moral supporter of
the 2nd Amendment and all it represents. Being a down state NYer, I have few
elected politicians in my State to look out for our individual rights. I agree
with the comment that the media( TV coverage, and Newspapers) have chosen to be
deceptive and dishonest about guns and those who own them. My belief is
that the 2nd amendment is every bit as important and individually guaranteed as
the 1st Amendment. The Media brainwashing of the gun issue and the
supposed wacho conspirator identity they have pasted on all gun owners is just
their way to eliminate any desire for it to be a continued part of our culture,
and many law abiding gun owners have given up on enjoying gun related sports as
a result. We owe it to our future generations to maintain a vigilant stand
against this dishonest and misguided pyschology and mantra that undermines the
Bill of Rights and our founders beliefs for individual rights and freedoms. I
don't need the U.N. or Global activists to tell me what firearms I can or can't
own, being an American.
China produces excellent full-auto weapons.Russia and many of its
former republics also pruduce excellent full-auto weapons.I would
question Mexico's Southern border (and its own ports) before I would question
its (pretty tight) Norther border.The truth is, some of the
full-auto weapons in Mexico probably originated in the United States...At
military producers such as Colt Mfg...Colt sells its M-16 derivatives all around
the world to militaries...I have no doubt that a lot of those Colts
ended up in the hands of evil doers...Seing how much power the gangs
have...With many police and military also part of the gangs in Mexico...So the liberals can say that some of the guns in Mexico originate in the
US...But they were never intended for civilian use...Most of the
guns that are in Mexico are not from US origin, but are extremely high quality
military weapons such as the Chinese or Russian full-auto AK47...You
are 100% correct...Gun free zones create criminal attacks on unarmed people...
Gerald | 4:04 p.m.Who said Mexico doesn't manufacture any guns?They manufacture guns (or at least gun parts) for the US government.
Our government even gives contracts to companies in Mexico to make arms for our
military. Where did you get the factoid that Mexico doesn't have
any gun manufacturing plants.Go to "FactCheck.org" and check up on
the bogus 90% of the weapons in Mexico come from the USA claim. They state the
following... "Is it true, as President Obama said, that "[m]ore than 90
percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States?" Government
statistics dont actually support that claim.Don't trust the
opinioners, get the facts.
If Mexico and their neighboring countries do not manufacture any firearms, why
do you believe that any of their firearms are not from the USA? If they make
any firearms, they are of probably such low quality that the drug dealers will
not buy them.Mexican Law completely prohibits firearm ownership by
their citizens. The politically connected and the criminals are own firearms
and are armed to the teeth. The citizen is powerless to overthrow his
government. The Criminals control the government. India has a similar
situation.With guns, we are citizens. Without guns, we are subjects.
'gun free zones' invite armed criminal attacks
Hey Orrin,Even though I'm a Green and a Socialist, and I probably
would abhore 90+ % of your politics, I think you've written a pretty good
commentary here.I support the Second Amendment as well as all other
parts of the Constitution, much of which was won in armed struggle against the
founding fathers attempts to cheat veterans out of their earned compensation and
farmers off of their productive land. (See _Peoples History of the United
States_ by Ben and Matt's good buddy Howard).Keep up the good work
on this issue, Orrin.
A-The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.B-Accidental deaths
caused by physicians per year are 120,000.C-Accidental deaths per
physician is o.171Stats. courtesty of U.S. Health and Human Services.Guns:A-The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.B-The
number of accidental gun deaths per year, in all age groups, is 1500.The
number of accidental deaths per gun owner is.000188.Statistics courtesy of
FBISo, stastically doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous
than gun owners.
I THINK IT IS NOT THE2ND , BUT THE AMMENDMENT TO IT ABOUT HAVE THE ABILITY TO
DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION FROM ALL ENIMES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC THAT BOTHERS THEM.
@RE-ELECT HATCHSorry, I won't have any part of it. I've seen him do
this so many times, it's predictable. Pick a conservative cause just before
election and espouse it so you can blend in and look like a Utahn. When all the
time you're making deals with your buddies that stand the Constitution right
upside-down on its head.No way I'm ever voting for Orrin Hatch
again. Same goes for Bailout Bob Bennett.
Oh Please and others ...Let me be perfectly clear. The so-called
"assault weapons" that some would love to ban are merely single-shot
firearms.They fire one shot per pull of the trigger.You
would support a ban on single-shot firearms just because some people think they
look scary?Grow up.
They hate them because they are ideologues and these people oppose THEIR
"American guns in Mexico: Which is it--90% or 17%? Whom to believe, the
Washington Post or the NRA?"Why don't you believe the BATF from whom
the %17 comes from. The 90% comes from the media, president, etc.
misrepresenting and/or misunderstanding BATF's figures.
Why all the hate and vitriol for the NRA or anyone who owns a gun? What have
they ever done to you?
As some have noted non-felon citizens CAN own assault rifles, suppressors,
bazookas, etc. (NFA Weapons) but there is no such thing as a "permit" for them.
One pays a TAX to transfer them. The reason it's a TAX
instead of a FEE for a PERMIT is that back in 1934 when the feds were first
infringing on both the right to keep and bear arms, and intrastate commerce,
they realized that the Federal Government hadn't been granted the power by the
States (see 10th amendment, the Federal Government has ONLY those powers
SPECIFICALLY granted to it by the States) to issue said permits or to require
permits to own said arms.Now they just won't accept the tax payment
(kinda like Castro not accepting the checks we send every year for the rent on
To oh please,Just like assault weapons, you know fully automatic
rifles, "bazookas and nukes" ARE closely regulated. Try to PAY ATTENTION, will
The preponderance of empirical data clearly indicate that civilian gun ownership
provides all of society with an extraordinary, net positive benefit in lives
saved and crimes stopped. Indeed, just the "deterrent" effect provided by the
right of individuals to own guns stops many, many crimes before they are
committed.Moreover, reports issues by the Centers for Disease
Control and the National Science Foundation have indicated that in their expert
analysis GUN CONTROL LAWS DO NOT WORK! To the "anti gunnners:"
PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELVES.
Great article. I don't own an automatic weapon, rocket launcher or flame
thrower, but come into my home in the middle of the night and say goodby to this
Here is a typical politician. I worked on Mr. Hatch's original campaign years
ago. He seemd fresh and vital back then.Now here he is squaking
about others back there like the courts and other members. After the teaparties
he was complaining about the democrats. And at the same time he's selling the
constitution out for a few more seats on committees or whatever it is those
bozos think is important back there. The fingerpointing has got to
stop. We need people back there who have at least read the constitution.
A few points...Being alive gives you the right to defend yourself
anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.the term "Assault weapons"
was shrewdly selected knowing most people will believe it refers to machine
guns. Shame on anyone who doesn't know what the looney left are really after
when they use this termThe police have ZERO legal obligation to
protect anyone. They have NO liability in this capacity. They are NOT our
personal body guards. They ENFORCE the law, that's it. They are very busy, so
when seconds count, know that the police are minutes away....figure it out from
If the right to bear (not "bare," the usual spelling encountered among
rednecks) arms is absolute, then shouldn't I be able to own a bazooka or even a
nuke? Aren't they "arms"? If living next to a guy who owns a machine gun is
supposed to make me feel safer, then shouldn't I feel a lot safer if he has a
20-kiloton warhead in his basement? Especially if he drinks a lot of beer and
grumbles a lot about the gov'mint?
Just to educate the non gun owners and I'm sure most of the legal gun owners
would agree with me. If I were to choose to commit a robbery or some other
violent gun crime, would my first choice be my ak-47? Probably not, would it be
my Glock 21? Maybe. But, if I really wanted to create death and destruction I
would use my trusty pump shotgun with 00 buckshot. If your going to talk about
personal protection don't forget the shotgun. For you poor un-educated non gun
owners, compared to a full choke shotgun with 00 buckshot an assualt rifle is a
pea shooter. But why you say?. A shotgun takes little or no training to use. The
firepower is devastating at close range and if your good you can empty 8 to 10
rounds in 5 seconds. It's not tracable by ballistics since it has a smooth bore.
So that's a little education for the non gun owner. The rest of us gun owners
know this already. If your holding a really sharp knife in your hand, does it
give you an overwhelming desire to kill someone? Neither does holding guns.
For the lefties - - All able-bodied adult citizens are considered
members of "the militia". Selective service, draft, etc. are the formalized
recognition of this. Though unlikely to be necessary, all citizens have a
responsibility to defend the homeland. - The 2nd amendment DOES give
anyone a right to machine guns, tanks and nukes. Is it advisable, no, but
consider the check on -creating- nuclear weapons if the inventors had this in
mind. Maybe we wouldn't have nukes at all. - Infringed means not just
bans, but anything intended to make firearm ownership more difficult. This
originates from a gunpowder embargo on Boston by British Gen. Gage and forbids
registration, background checks or taxation, etc. - Please, my liberal
friends, visit a gun range. It is a utopia of generosity, politeness, love of
unspoiled nature,respect and color-blindness. Why?? Because everybody knows
everybody else is carrying!! Guns are tools. Like a car, a power
drill, chainsaw or the bare hands of a black belt. Used wisely, they make
necessary work easier, used improperly, people can get hurt. The laws that must
be enforced are only those that make deliberate improper use, and only
deliberate improper use, a crime.
You must have been educated in public schools. You don't seem to be able to
follow a train of thought. 90% of the guns THAT COULD BE TRACED came from the
US. However, only 17% of the guns they had could be traced. Follow closely now
100% - 17% means that 83% of the guns could not be traced. THEY DON'T KNOW
WHERE THEY CAME FROM. THEY COULD HAVE COME FROM ANYWHERE. An honest reporting
of this information would have pointed out that they don't know where 83% of the
guns come from. However, honest reporting is not where the media wants to go.
So the 90% figure makes the news and the rest is left out.
@RW wrote: "The lynch mob mentality of the current right-wing wackos scares me.
They carry guns!" Why, I find that I could easily substitute "left-wing" in
there, and I would be equaly scared. Because THEIR intent is to stifle debate,
disarm us so we have to wait minutes for the police when seconds count, and
generally cow-tow to their ONE. Speaking of lynching, wasn't that a fine job
Napolitano did!? All that remains is for the left-wing mobs to come get us with
I am so sick of people not taking responsibility for their own actions. They act
like victims of their own design. The simple fact is that I own a quote "assualt
rifle" would it be my first choice to rob someone with it? No, I would use my
Glock 21. When someone tells me that I don't have any business owning an assault
rifle. I say you don't have any business telling me what I can and cannot own.
The worst possible weapon you can own is your basic pump shotgun not an assault
rifle. Why? for you non educated non gun owners, they take little or no training
to use, they have devastating firepower in close and you don't have to be a good
shot to kill multiple targets within 20 yards of where your standing. Oh yeah, I
almost forgot you can't trace a shotgun through ballistics since it doesn't have
any rifling in the barrel. When you pick up a sharp knife about to cut your
steak meat, do you have an overwelming desire to go down and cut your boss's
throat because you don't like him. Self control.
By your logic, there is absolutely no reason for law-abiding citizens to NOT own
an assault rifle, either.Thanks for pointing that out.
Same old story!! The people that legally own firearms are not the ones commiting
the crimes period. The non gun owners still have the right to not own a gun.
These people are paranoid and obviously don't know anything about firearms. I
have been to many gun shows and have never felt in danger. Why? because with
that many armed people around you, you wouldn't have much of a chance for
violence armed or not. Most gun owners are proud that they have control over
their emotions and know that killing someone with a gun is a last resort. They
are not afraid to claim the right of common sense and they are usually trained
with that weapon and know how to use it safely. It's called being educated!! I
also own an ak-47 not a knock off a real one. If I chose to with a couple of
parts I can make it go full auto. I choose not to though it only wastes ammo and
being former military I know full auto is designed to be used if you are
ambushed. You can't hit your target and you would burn out your barrel.
This is a very difficult issue for me. I am about as far left as it gets,
politically. However, even I can't see the logic in your argument. You state
that "there's absolutely no reason for any law-abiding citizen to own an assault
rifle." However, by your very own admission, there is no reason for that citizen
NOT to own an assault rifle. I would love to hear a well thought-out
opinion on gun control, if not to engage in a debate then at least so I can
respect the opinion of those who I more closely align with on almost every other
political issue. Personally, I would lose much more sleep over the safety
of my loved ones if I knew that guns didn't exist and my mother or sister had to
rely on the response time of police officers if attacked, than I currently do
knowing that law abiding citizens feel the need to own assault rifles.
Nice work, Senator Hatch. You have my vote next election.
Oh Please: What should it matter to you what type of firearm I own if, in your
own words, I AM A LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN? Please share with us how much experience
you have with firearms, or in firearms law.I'm retired military, a
former cop, firearms instructor, and small arms expert who has fired over
500,000 rounds, and only ONE of those in anger (read that: self defense).There are approximately 4,000,000 (yes, MILLION) people in this country
licensed or permitted to carry concealed firearms. As a group, we are more
lawful than politicians (no surprise there), law enforcement officers, and THE
CLERGY.Don't you find it problematic that in those areas with the
strictest "gun control", we also find the highest rates of violent,
firearms-related crime? How do you explain this FACT? We had a 10
year experiment with an "assault weapon" ban, and the result was: NO, REPEAT, NO
SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN CRIME NUMBERS, UP OR DOWN. In other words, the ban was
TOTALLY useless as a crime-fighting tool. All that was accomplished was
intentional interference with a Constitutional RIGHT. Do your homework, get the
facts, then speak your piece.
Ah, I see Senator Hatch is up for re-election soon, and is supporting
conservative causes again. Fine, but will it last until the next bailout?
Samaritan wrote:Our Rights come from God, we lend a few to the government
for our protection. When a government seeks to act in a manner that is
detrimental to the Rights of its citizens then we have a Right to withhold our
support, and our consent, from that government.Samaritan, it's not a
right to withhold support or consent from an unjust government, it's a DUTY.
Which is the main reason for the second amendment. That's why corrupt
governments are so oppose to the people owning firearms.
Other than the existing laws against murder and other violent crimes, Sen.
Hatch, what laws should we gun owners be "abiding by," exactly? The fact is our
fundamental right to defend our own lives by any means necessary (which is
supposedly protected by the Second Amendment) has been infringed for
seventy-five years by hundreds of these laws we're expected to "abide by." Until
all of those laws have been repealed, the Second Amendment will continue to
remain infringed. Now, what I'd like to know is, if you're so concerned about we
gun owners being properly represented, why is it you and your colleagues in
Congress have done absolutely nothing to repeal these laws that clearly stand in
violation of our Constitution?
"...There's absolutely no reason for any law-abiding citizen to own an assault
rifle. The right to bear arms doesn't extend to bazookas or nukes, either..."Typical antigun hyperbole. There is a reason and it's expressly stated
in the second amendment. Part of your problem may be that the language has
changed a little since 1790. "well regulated" doesn't mean the same now as it
did then. Think Shakespeare. Don't believe me? Read the Heller decision - and
Jules Verne. You'll find plenty of support in both places.Here is
the Second Amendment translated into a modern day equivalent supported by both
the founding fathers words (Federalist papers and others) and the SCOTUS.Because a well equipped and well practiced (=well regulated) military
eligible citizenry (=militia) is necessary to keep a nation free, the right of
citizens (excludes felons, etc.) to own and carry firearms shall not be
infringed.Notice the military justification - which applies to your
dreaded (and misnamed) "assault weapons" and yet does not exclude other
reasons.What you think we "need" is completely irrelevant!
A citizen formed militia would do a lot for this country, we rely on the
government to "fix" all our problems and then compain when they do a horrible
job. which is most of the time. take the katrina floods in 06, the citizens
relyed on government. but last year in Iowa they did not . one was a fiasco the
other hardly mentioned. my 1911 is nicknamed "american express" because I will
not leave home without it. I would much rather call a cop than use it, however I
will not rely on a cop for my familys safty. I also own several black guns that
are incorrectly refered to as assult weapons. for those of you that ask WHAT DO
YOU NEED AN ASSULT RIFLE FOR?? here goes, the Japanese emperor was qouted
saying he would never attack the mainland of the united states because "there is
a rifle behind every blade of grass". that my friend is homeland security. not
fingerpointing politicians. if are military is so great how come the somali
pirates will even call them out. I dont see them boating over to texas and
helping themselves out. get a rifle and learn how to shoot
Join the NRA today and help fight the media that want to ban the Second
This is why newspapers are going out of business bacause they can't get their
facts right.Senator Hatch set this newspaper right but will they understand what
What our pro-second amendment groups need to do is go on the legal offensive.
Unless, they're willing to use aggressive lawsuits like the left-wing ACLU, we
will lose this fight - proactive not reactive. With that being said,
the first step is for gun rights groups to file a lawsuit against the Obama
Administration's Department of Homeland Security and Janet Napolitano for
violating the 1st and 5th amendment of law-abiding firearms owners. Napolitano
needs to be fired. We must pressure the NRA and GOA to file a
lawsuit on behalf of gun owners. A similar lawsuit was actually filed by talk
radio host Michael Savage. The Obama Administration, the leader of
the Democratic Party (George Sorros), the DHS, and their communist ilk of
radical left-wingers in the main stream media are engaging in political
oppression. They need to be held accountable and made an example of. The oppressive and unconstitutional tactics of the left are indicative of
their dictatorial third world nation mentality. They need to be impeached for
violating the oath of office. Infringing upon our constitutional rights is an
act of treason against the nation and our principals of self-government.
Dear Mr. Cline, I'm With you 100% never give up, never surender!
YES! It IS the criminals. About every problem in our country can be traced to
Criminals as being the origin.... Tornados, hurricanes no...but societal ills-
criminals are the cause. Now what then defines a criminal? The inability or
refusal to respect the rights of Americans. When a person tramples the rights of
another, that is a crime. Steal a purse? Trampled private property rights! Ok
now, let us expand and extrapolate. What is gun control? Treason, and the
trampling of the rights to keep and bear arms! It is also victim disarmament,
and murder by proxy! So- Rather than tolerate the people who propose promote and
vote FOR gun control, the traitors need to be gathered up, prosecuted, and
hanged without a merciful thought, because the half million murders caused by
gun control since 1965!!!
The lynch mob mentality of the current right-wing wackos scares me. They carry
To oh please,First, let me take exception with your comment,
"There's absolutely no reason for any law-abiding citizen to own an assault
rifle." It takes a special permit for a citizen to own an assault rifle,
remember an assault rifle has the ability to be switched from semi-automatic to
automatic, and the average citizen can't get that permit. That fact aside, we
do have the right to own a semi-automatic rifle. Please don't be confused by
this distinction. If we put rifles that "look like" assault rifles in the mix
this opens the ban up to all semi-automatic rifles, and then to all
semi-automatic weapons. All of this aside, AR-15s, and many other rifles are
used every day in shooting events like target shooting. Not to mention the fact
that these weapons are used very infrequently by criminals. Let's get the facts
before we speak, what do you say?
I wish that Hatch could see the arguments he makes in behalf of a cause he
supports are the same arguments others make in behalf of causes he opposes.
Change the tile to any controversial topic and you will see the same line of
thought--the facts are distorted, attacks are aimed at people/culture with no
real basis, opponents are painted with a wide brush as extremists, laws can be
changed without affecting the rights of others. It's like these politicians are
speaking the same language, but listening in another.
I would like you to know what you're talking about before you comment. Citizens
can't own bazookas or nukes nor should they. And ask yourself, what exactly is
an "assault weapon"? It's a coined phrase in order to demonize any
semi-automatic firearm in order to associate it with fully automatic firearms,
which are already not available to the general populace. Beyond this, only about
2% of crimes are committed with either of these classes of firearms. So even if
you could achieve preventing criminals from obtaining and using these firearms
for crime through a ban would it do anything? Gun bans don't work because only
those predisposed to follow the law will follow the gun ban, seeing as it is
itself a law. Stop infringing the rights of law abiding citizens and actually go
after those who are breaking the law. That's how to deal with crime; by dealing
with the criminals.
THE SIMPLE FACT IS, WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE BOSS. ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE OUR
EMPLOYEES. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE ALLOWED OUR EMPLOYEES TO RUN US. SO ALL OF OUR
CIVIL RIGHTS HAVE BEEN INFRINGED UPON. WE HAVE ALLOWED LIARS, THIEVES AND
TRAITORS TO BEGIN TO RULE US. IF WE ARE TO REGAIN OUR LIBERTIES WE MUST FIRE
THOSE EMPLOYEES. IF IT MUST COME TO WAR, AND I DO NOT WANT US TO HAVE TO DO
THIS, SO BE IT. MY OWN EMPLOYEES WHO ARE MOSTLY LEFT WING EXTREMISTS HAVE
DECLARED ME A RIGHT WING EXTREMIST AND A POTENTIAL TERRORIST. ANYONE WHO AGREES
WITH THIS IS ALSO DECLARED THE SAME. EVEN THOSE OF YOU WHO DO NOT AGREE BUT ARE
VETERANS ARE PUT IN THE SAME CLASS. WE ARE AT WAR WHETHER YOU THINK SO OR NOT.
THANK YOU! show my e-mail address if you wish. i am 74 and in bad health and
will be the among the first to die with a gun in both hands and blazing.
Gun control advocates don't understand that laws restricting law-abiding
citizens' rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness do more harm to
society than good. As Thomas Jefferson wrote, Laws that forbid the carrying of
arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit
crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the
assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an
unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.Additionally, overzealous gun control backers dont understand that the Second
Amendment helps ensure the preservation our other rights. Justice Joseph Story
(appointed to the Supreme Court by James Madison) wrote, The right of the
citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of
the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the
usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are
successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over
them.I support any lawmakers efforts to keep government from
infringing on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
The Government needs to butt out of trying to control firearms. It's not going
to happen! Every law abiding citizen has the right to own and carry a
firearm.We already have more firearms laws on the books than we
need. Passing more idiot laws won't stop criminals.Every time we
have a new threat about firearms, gun sales increase. Crime does not increase as
gun sales rise.When will people realize that firearms have never
killed anyone? Bad people are the cause of crime, not firearms.Wake
up America and take back this great country!
I love to see great comments from fellow Americans! I agree with Scott- we need
to strip the lies in media output. Let us infringe on the ability of
"journalists" to lie by making the telling of falsity, and failing to fully
report FACTS, very very personally painful and expensive- nationwide!
Eddie Keen | 7:13 a.m.I think the "God given rights" he's refering
to are different than the ones your thinking of. I think the God given rights
are the ones we would have if there were no government at all. The right to
breath, the right to live, the right to be happy and take care of and even
protect our families, etc.I don't think he was talking about things
the left considers when they talk about their "rights", such as the right to
free medical care, unemployment benefits, free speach, etc.I think
you are talking past each other assuming your talking about the same thing.
To Great Article: I thought that beating plowshares into swords is something
that the Bible tells us to do. From reading all of the gay marriage letters in
this section, I thought Utahns want to follow the Bible in everything.
Personally, I support gun rights,and I also support gay marriage, but I don't
base my support for either issue based on the Bible.
American guns in Mexico: Which is it--90% or 17%? Whom to believe, the
Washington Post or the NRA? It's probably somewhere in the middle, and if so, is
still alarming. There's absolutely no reason for any law-abiding citizen to own
an assault rifle. The right to bear arms doesn't extend to bazookas or nukes,
I notice that in Bellingham, WA they are now debating a new law to restrict
anyone from selling guns within 500 ft. of a school (from nursery school to
college), as they already do with porn shops or "Gentlemen's Clubs." This is
totally nonsensical, but is also typical of the anti-gun movement's efforts to
marginalize guns and gun owners/users as "bad guys," who are socially
unacceptable. 50 years ago, when I was a young man, just the opposite was true.
Gun owners were accurately protrayed as generally responsible citizens and the
"backbone of the society." What we really need today, is a large-scale PR
effort that is proactive in selling that image, rather than what we usually
have, which is a defensive, reactive response whenever there is a shooting, or
when the anti-gun media puts out false and defamatory information. Perhaps the
NRA or Gun Owners of America could start up a major, long-term, ongoing PR
campaign of this type. At least some of the local media would carry it, as well
as Fox News.
Great article from Senator Hatch. He does, however, need a better proof reader.
Last two sentences contradict the entire article with the word "latter" in the
last sentence that should say "former". In other words, we want "an open and
honest debate on these issues" (the former) and we do not want to "engage in
pointless stereotypes in order to marginalize the opposition" (the latter). Let's get the false assumptions out of the media and educate the
population with facts. Only then can informed decisions be made.
I think that this was a great article.I can't wait until the lambs
lay down with the lions and we beat our weapons into plowshares.Until then, I will be carrying a Glock G26 in a concealed holster, and those
who decide to hurt myself or my family better reconsider...
I once heard that part of the reason to allow the public to own guns is to
remind the government who is really in charge. Leaving guns in the hands of the
general population always leaves the possibility of a revolution when the
government becomes corrupt.
Re: Mr Keen; please read,Marcus Tullius Cicero. He is the Father of the concept
of "Natural Law", and one whom our Founding Fathers studied greatly, and drew
much from. I would that he was required readingin all our schools.
Everyone has a right to defend themselves period.
Mr. Keen,All logical systems including our moral and legal codes
start from certain postulates and develop more complex ideas from them. Take
away the foundation and the justification for all that comes after falls apart.
In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wrote: "We hold these
truths to be self evident, That all men are created equal, and endowed by their
creator with cetain inalienable rights..." This postulate is the foundation of
the United States constitution and the system of government that flows from it.
If you do not agree with Mr. Jefferson's postulate, where do you think your
rights come from? From the government itself? That would have the foundation
of the government coming from the government, an exercise in circular logic.
Not very bright.
" a fully armed, similarly equipped, population ready to spring into action
being necessary for the preservation of FREEDOM, the right of the people to keep
and bear arms, shall NOT be infringed"-- Now- 2A does not proscribe laws about
the discharging of arms- but anything that restricts the purchase, owning and
carrying of arms is treason. But to say, no shooting in a theater, or no
criminally attacking others with guns, are good laws... But, 20,000 laws are
redundant, and infringements. Simply, "hurting a person in anything other than a
self-defense situation with or without weapons shall be punished by hanging"
would preclude jobs to millions of worthless attorneys!
@Eddie, fortunately for you, the foundation of this country's legal framework is
the acknowledgement that rights are from God directly to the people. Immutable,
omniscient, not from some political hack class in Washington, DC. However,
right now, we have politicians that think they are God, and are acting as
dictators, if the Supreme Court holds up, many of the actions taken this last
100 days will be declared unconstititional and the banks and other industries
will revert to their rightful owners.
Once you start telling me your rights come from god you've lost me, because now
you don't have to justify anything except to say 'god says so'. Senator hatch, i
trust that your support for the second amendment includes support for the need
for a well regulated militia, because your unqualified support for the right to
bear arms shows you've determined one is necessary....
We gun owners know the truth about the Second Amendment and the responsibility
that accompanies it. We also realize that there exists a political clique that
ardently seeks to deny us our God given rights to self defense and self
preservation and this has been with us for a very long time, whether they
realize it or not.The Dred Scott decision stated that slaves weren't
"persons" and therefore had no rights and the Roe v. Wade decision stated the
same thing about the unborn. When the Left seeks to take away our Rights, any
of them, they are saying the same thing about us! Our Rights come
from God, we lend a few to the government for our protection. When a government
seeks to act in a manner that is detrimental to the Rights of its citizens then
we have a Right to withhold our support, and our consent, from that government.
The government exists to protect the Rights of its citizens, and
Thank you, Senator Hatch, for your continued support of the second amendment!Now, quit pandering to the likes of Edward Kennedy. ;)