Utah Jazz: Williams wants team to stay together even more

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  • Anonymous
    April 21, 2009 11:27 p.m.

    at least jazz competed for game 2. when you turn the ball over and you're down by ONLY 3 points with around 3 or 4 min to go then you have no chance to win. TURNOVERS!!!!

  • @magnus
    April 21, 2009 10:34 p.m.

    You are mostly right. It is not just Sloan's ways. He is a very good coach with 3 or 4 very irritating ways that lose some extra games.

    The real problem is, according to Sloan, "it takes 3 years to learn how to run his system". Veterans are expensive (at least for decent ones). Management can not or will not give him enough veteran talent (plus insurance players) to ever win a championship.

    The players and Sloan give lip service to Defense. Management does not go get decent defenders.

    The problems are endemic top to bottom.

    Collins-plays as well as he can. However, short spurts of Fez and Koufos would not be any worse and it might be better if one of them have a good night.

    The Jazz are going to lose if they have to play Collins. They have nothing to lose by playing Fez and Koufos. They will need the playoff experience next year. Collins should not be back. If he is you know the Jazz are terminal.

  • Re: Deron
    April 21, 2009 7:28 p.m.

    I disagree. He's a leader and a great point guard. He needs someone else on the team to follow his lead.

  • don't give up on AK47
    April 21, 2009 6:51 p.m.

    I know AK has looked like he's pretty much given up on the season, but who could blame him. He was playing more minutes, seeing the ball more and playing better defense before boozer came back- it looked like more of a team game out there and he was enjoying himself earlier in the season. Unfortunately after boozers return the offense runs through him once again, so AK doesn't see the ball as much, doesn't get as many minutes, and doesn't want to play defense when he sees boozer and memo not playing any and still having plays run for them.

    I don't blame AK one bit, and I'd like to see him here again next year without boozer and see if he's not having more fun and stays more focused. But for now why be the only guy who plays defense when nobody else does and they see the ball a lot more than you.

  • Justin
    April 21, 2009 6:03 p.m.

    D-Ill, apparently you and Deron hang out all the time and must have a pretty close relationship to make a comment like that. I love D-Will so anything else you can tell us would be fantastic! We are so lucky to have someone so close to Williams to share his inner most feelings.

  • Deron
    April 21, 2009 5:37 p.m.

    I see him as a fantastic point guard but never a true leader...its just not in him. The Jazz need to recruit a hard a$$ power forward/center that knows how to bang and will not accept failure the same way Deron, Sloan, Oconnor, and Greg do.

  • D-Ill
    April 21, 2009 5:30 p.m.

    Of course Deron wants his little frat to stay together, god forbid the Jazz bring in some vets that don't go out and party all the time and actually take basketball and winning seriously. Deron is a joke and a drama queen! Really what does Deron care? Sure he thinks winning is nice but regardless he likes the money more.

  • focus - superstars
    April 21, 2009 5:07 p.m.

    Focusing on 15 things is not focus. It's confusion. But focusing (on one thing) works. It's bringing the energy - fire, passion, heart, nastiness, confidence - whatever you want to call it. Focus on that one thing that stokes your performance.

    That's the secret behind Tiger, Michael, Zen Phil. After all the practice balls & film sessions - it's about focus. And that's NOT psychology, it's proven performance science. Your body is part of your mind and if your left brain is taking up all the air time, with stuff to NOT do, who dissed you, step 1, 2, 3 - then your reactions will be SLOW and the other team will be one step ahead, every time - even though your athleticism and practices show you can perform at a much higher level.

    Without a headfull of diss, everything becomes faster, more fun, in the zone, automatically play "Sloan nasty" destroying the Laker's focus - physically, mentally, emotionally, disrupt what the Lakers want to do - making THEM think too much.

    that's what I'm talkin bout. clover

  • Unification
    April 21, 2009 4:58 p.m.

    This team should have been united a long time ago. It's a little late to push team unity on a group of guys who obviously don't care one way or another if they're unified or not.

  • Playoff money answer for Rich
    April 21, 2009 4:40 p.m.

    The money is pool money that is shared. The players vote on who gets a share. All the players generally get full shares, and front office people often get either full or partial shares. I'm not sure what the full share for an NBA title is, but a full share for the Phillies winning the series last year was $301,000 per man. (or woman, as the case may be.) In baseball, players get 40% of the revenue from games 1-4 of a seven game series and 70% of revenue from games 5-7. In the NFL the amounts are fixed by the CBA. For instance, a full share for winning a wildcard game as a division winner is $21,000 for '09. Playing the Divisional game is another $21k, conference championship is $38k and the Super Bowl winner gets $83k. So, a full share for the Super Bowl winner, assuming they played a Wild Card game, is $163,000 in 2009. All this info comes from the MLB and NFL CBA's, which are available on the web.

  • Danger
    April 21, 2009 4:21 p.m.

    For all of you Sloan defenders...Please try explain how Knight is getting minutes over Price??? I don't think Hart was any worse than Brevan has turned out to be!

  • magnus
    April 21, 2009 4:07 p.m.

    @ Miles

    Fine, look like a moron, what do I care.

    I think the only reason this team hasn't completly cratered and turned on each other is because Jerry Sloan is in still in control, and the Jazz are still his team. It's pretty clear that D-Will and Boozer are no longer speaking, AK has checked out, the locker room is fractured. The same thing happend to your favorite coach in 2004 when his team, a team that was loaded with no less than 5 future Hall of Famers, was embarassed by a bunch of no names from Detroit.

    Sloan Haters like to call everyone who doesn't think Sloan is the root of all Jazz evil is blind to the truth....

    but the mote sure seems small next to the beam.

  • todd to amazing
    April 21, 2009 4:02 p.m.

    "sloanaholic" worthless

  • Voice from LALA Land
    April 21, 2009 3:30 p.m.

    Have any of you considered that the Jazz are just playing a far superior team in the Lakers. Trust me me if the Jazz were playing the Rockets or Nuggets the outcome would be different and the conversation would be...Why is Coach Sloan not coach of the year? and ... We should give Boozer a contract extension. However, when someone is matched up aginst arguably the best coach in league, twin towers, The Lakers Bench Mob, and by far the best finisher in the league....the Black Mamba, KB24, or sinply Kobe....end of story. Then the whining begins. Have fun this summer (yall have gone fishing!)

  • too late 4 anything but focus
    April 21, 2009 3:05 p.m.

    done the drills. strategy is what it is. lineups are what they are. Brewer's on Kobe. Time for focus. And I'm not talking about focusing on the 15 things that need to go perfectly for a win tonight.

    It's about players relying on their drills, skills, game plan - but NOT thinking. Playing with energy on automatic. Focus is keeping your energy high and your mind empty. Not playing like a robot, but letting your body and your team play like it already knows how, without the distraction of a busy mind. - clover

  • Miles
    April 21, 2009 3:02 p.m.

    Why would I read your whole post? You were rambling on and on about nothing. Jerry doesn't have it, needs to go or change his methods of motivating. You can't really believe he has any control at this point. POP and PHIL get their players to buy into defense and they are dealing with much larger egos than Jerry has to deal with.

  • magnus
    April 21, 2009 1:46 p.m.

    @ Miles

    I'm not certain, but I am pretty sure that when I say "the players share responsibility..." that would imply that their is someone else (maybe the coach, perhaps?) who has resposibility as well.

    Maybe next time try reading the whole post before assuming what I mean and replying.

  • Re: Chadders
    April 21, 2009 1:22 p.m.

    your comments are as ridicoulis as your wannabee INN and Out resturaunt and your whole We worship anything californian. No one in LA would pay to see Sloan coach the Lakers becaue his philosophy would be just to bang and hack the whole game. It is the worst product in the NBA. The scouting director or whoever finds these players needs to be fired. Do you wanna see slow big euro guys jogging the court?

  • magnus
    April 21, 2009 12:23 p.m.

    @ mhelal2

    great post. LA definately isn't a great matchup for Kufos, Bynum is too big and strong Odom is too quick, and Gasol too smart.

    When Fes played against Bynum in the last game of the season he got owned, big time.

    Both of those guys have big potential and great talent but they simply arent the best option against the Lakers.

    I have said all season that I don't even think Collins should be on the team and that Sloan was stupid to play him over Kosta or Fes, but the season is over and all that matters now is winning games. As much as I hate to say it, I think Collins is the best option in this series.

    Of course if Memo were in the lineup this whole discussion is pointless because none of them would be playing at all.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    April 21, 2009 12:20 p.m.


    All you Jazz fans need to take a chill pill.

  • Miles
    April 21, 2009 12:13 p.m.

    @Magnus.....So why do these grown men need a coach? How does Phil get Kobe to buy into his system when he could be scoring 50 every night? Ultimately the coach is in charge or not in charge. Phil is, Jerry is not.

  • re: Todd
    April 21, 2009 12:06 p.m.

    "I cannot believe we're still moaning about Boozer. He was not the issue on Sunday".

    Evidently you are blinded by offense. Most of his defense was still as bad as ever. He causes defensive chaos and break downs endlessly.

    He did show on a couple of pick n rolls but other than that it was flatfooted witness time. Every time down the floor he let Gasol walk right down to his comfy position in the low post basically uncontested.

    I am no expert but I know if you are already at a disadvantage that you need to work before the ball is thrown into the post and your man has already gotten to his sweet spot from where he prefers to shoot over you.

    We know Boozer won't block anything so he has to work earlier to keep his man from getting to his spots--but he simply won't he simply gets back down and we saw Gasol basically score with that baby hook basically at will.

    I'm sure not saying Boozers offense did not help but when will people wake up and realize we are losing because of NO DEFENSE!!!

  • mhelal2
    April 21, 2009 11:47 a.m.

    I'm big fan of Kufos, but he can't defend big body like Gassol and Bydum yet, he needs to get stronger in the off season.

    If you watched him playing against Huston, you will see that he struggled with Yao Ming, other than that I think he is a good player for the Jazz and he has heart.

  • Chadders
    April 21, 2009 11:45 a.m.

    Thank you Magnus. Finally someone using some reasoning before posting about Sloan. By no means is he a perfect coach. But he is far and away the best coach we will likely ever have in Utah. There isn't another coach in the league as humble and down to earth as JSlo. Some of the people on these posts need to get a clue. The guy works miracles with the rosters he gets. If he was coaching that Lakers team they would win at least 70 games and would blow out our Jazz team like 140-85. I'd love to see him someday have a roster that realistically is built for a ring to shut all the idiots up.

  • No Surprise There
    April 21, 2009 11:19 a.m.

    I'm not surprised that Kobe passed Magic Johnson on the Laker's all-time post season scoring list. Magic knew how to pass the ball.

  • magnus
    April 21, 2009 10:42 a.m.

    @ Miles & Accept Responsibility

    What you are saying would be true, if Sloan was coaching high school basketball.

    I've been listening to Sloan for a while and he makes a pretty clear delineation on what issues are his problem and what issues are the players problem. The failure to make in game adjustments, call timeouts, to prepare the players for certain things that the other team does like defensive schemes or offensive sets, when he talks about those things you usually hear him say something like "we didn't do that, and that is probably my fault."

    On the other hand, when players are blowing defensive assignments, not hustling, getting beat up the court, not executing the offense, and when they start the game looking like they would rather be in bed, that's when you here things like "I can't make these guy prepare themselves to play, they have to do it themselves."

    this is the NBA, these are supposed to be grown men.

    I don't think Sloan is a great motivator, but these players share an equal measure of blame for this failure, and they need to know that.

  • Sloan should retire soon
    April 21, 2009 10:32 a.m.

    There is definitely a time when you need to "pass the whistle." If Sloan can no longer make executive decisions about the problems happening on the floor he needs to go. I'm sick of watching the Jazz get outcoached game after game. We could probably find somebody to do as well as him for half the money. It would be nice to find somebody better, though.

  • We need some thugs
    April 21, 2009 10:20 a.m.

    Look at Denver. I hate them but I love the team they've built. A bunch of hard-working thugs, a couple of really talented guys, and a leader to hold them together. We're just a bunch of entitled whiners.

  • Amazing
    April 21, 2009 10:14 a.m.

    I kills me to see how many of you so called experts can critisize Coach Sloan and you have no experience or idea on what to do. Don't talk about what adjustments you'd make or such. You've NEVER been in this situation. Don't come back with your experience at the Jr Jazz, Comp Leagues, High School, Jr College, College or whatever. None of you really KNOW what is going on or what is expected. For you to say so shows your true ignorance of the game. Until you've been there and done that, you have NO right to say anything. It's like Jerry coming down to your job and trying to tell you what to do when he really doesn't know. All of you are idiots who think otherwise.

  • Chadders
    April 21, 2009 9:39 a.m.

    Am I the only one who gets the feeling this is like the Jazz Rockets the first time? It seems like everyone was talking sweep for the Rockets and we played poorly in the 1st half but then realized if we played like a team we were unstoppable. Hopefully the Jazz remember this and play like it. Go Jazz, I still believe!

  • Snake
    April 21, 2009 9:33 a.m.

    It's not just Boozer's help defense that is lacking. If I were playing the Jazz, I would run the pick and roll with Boozer's man every possession. All Boozer does is wave an arm at the dribbler, then set a screen on his own teammate (usually DWill). So what if Booz averages 25 points and 15 rebounds against the Lakers. What he gives up on the defensive end more than cancels out anything he offers offensively. With Booz in the lineup, defensive stops are almost nonexistent.

    In the off-season, the Jazz should unload both Boozer and Kirilenko and get some defense for all that money. Kirilenko gets beat off the dribble easily and when he drives into the lane, it almost always results in a turnover. They should try to find a couple of players like Brewer and Milsap, who have exceeded expectations and have improved steadily on both ends of the court.

    As for Koufos, he'll be fine next year. Great upside. Why Jerry stopped playing him is a mystery, though. Ditto for Ronnie Price. Maybe it's finally time for Sloan to retire.

  • todd to above
    April 21, 2009 9:06 a.m.

    hee hee, good job Miles we agree on most things should be good friends you and I, i got to go to work but I feel again due to your inspiration i should start going off on SLoan and his "SLoanaholics" again.

  • Miles
    April 21, 2009 8:38 a.m.

    Great post, all Jerry is capable of doing is setting a substitution schedule and sticking to it regardless of the situation during the game. Jerry preaches defense but can't get his own players to buy into his talk. Sign of a bad coach when he can't control his own players.

  • Accept Responsibility
    April 21, 2009 8:05 a.m.

    I'm getting tired of Coach Sloan shifting responsibility. This time, his answer to player's frustration is 'if their professionals, they'll not get frustrated or they can't compete'. You could substitute any issue the Jazz are having and Jerry's response is 'the players are professionals, they should fix it'.

    Ok. If the players should fix all the problems, what in heavens name does Coach Sloan do? Either Coach Sloan rarely accepts responsibility for overcoming challenges or these reporters aren't quoting him correctly.

    It doesn't seem in his nature to shift responsibility but he sure speaks that way. "Players need to come ready to play", "Players need to get themselves in shape", "Players need to control their frustrations", "Players need to work on their game and improve" ,"Players need to ..." Insert issue and it's the players responsibility.

    After reading quotes from Coach Sloan, one could surmize that he provides the playbook and sets the substitution schedule. What else do you do Coach?

  • Anonymous
    April 21, 2009 7:43 a.m.

    But does Boozer want to stay? I think he could be a leader next year once his problems are behind him.

  • Play Fess
    April 21, 2009 7:35 a.m.

    Fess knows how to go after the ball. Are you kidding? You've never seen this? Sure, he's not a very developed player...but he knows how to block shots, and he knows to knock someone on their butt if they are driving hard to the hoop. He wouldn't let a point guard dunk on him...and may even send a message to Kobe. Or we could just be content with Jaron Collins and let him "flop" his way to defense.

  • Matt
    April 21, 2009 7:21 a.m.

    Rich, how do you know those things about Fess and Koufus? I've watched pretty much every game this year and they have not been all that impressive. Do you go to practices? Flash games?

    People make all these assumptions about how Koufus is better than Collins, and the claims are not justifiable.

    ctoe- Is 26 points and 9 boards underachieving? Booze is key to the Jazz victory. Booze has been injured most of the year. Cut him some slack. He looked great Sunday.

  • Todd
    April 21, 2009 6:41 a.m.

    I cannot believe we're still moaning about Boozer. He was not the issue on Sunday.

  • ctoe
    April 20, 2009 11:04 p.m.

    If I was playing my butt off on D, I would have a huge problem with someone who is not and with the coach who will not hold him accountable. Boozer's lack of defensive effort is infecting an otherwise very good team. They have gone from a team that hussled on both sides of the court, to one that began imploding since Boozer's return. Jerry seems to have a double standard when it comes to will start. Milsap has done everything anyone has expected of him and more, while Boozer has under-achieved this entire season. I predict that the Lakers will win every game. Jerry has already made that a sure bet.

  • Rich
    April 20, 2009 9:37 p.m.

    I'm wondering about the bonus money. The reporter was very unclear. Does the team get this amount, or each member of the team?

    I applaud DWill's leadership. He is right that the team needs to be unified. But there's one thing the Jazz severely lack, and that is help defense from Boozer.

    I notice that Sloan is thinking of going with Collins again. Why not use Koufos. That kid can hit the 15 to 18-footer and keep some of those long Laker arms out of the key. He's not as good a defender as Collins, but I think he's adequate, and he's certainly much better on offense. I also like Fesenko's general hustle and nastiness. This is not the same goof-off who was a rookie last year. He gets his hands on a lot of balls and though he's not much at offense, he works hard and would give the Jazz a spark if he were allowed to work more.

    How about this: Pull Boozer every time he fails to help on D three times in a row. I don't think he'll last long.