Bob Bernick Jr.: Utah Republicans get ready for changing of guard

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  • Not a fan of MR
    April 25, 2009 3:27 a.m.

    Anyone that thinks that Mike Ridgway and his "lovely" spouse Roobah have anything meaningful to say is clearly not thinking straight. MR is supposedly running for State Secretary. What a train wreck that would be. The ONLY possible reason he is doing this is so that he gets his 3 minutes at the microphone to do another diatribe on how HE thinks the world needs to get in step with HIM, the almighty, the only person qualified to judge how the "rules" are being followed. Salt Lake County has banned MR from doing anything whatsoever within the party, he can still be a Republican, however, I don't think he knows what that is (oh, I forgot he knows everything) but when is the state get the same idea and block this clown from being such a waste of everyone's time.

  • arc
    April 20, 2009 11:12 a.m.

    Mike Ridgway,
    I don't know who or what is at fault. The rules or the people, but it is obviously that a

    "better job of communicating with the delegates as to which candidates have announced"

    needs to happen. I had discussed this with Dave Hansen, and he agrees totally. I am pretty sure Tim, Morgan and others do as well.

  • Mike Ridgway
    April 19, 2009 1:26 p.m.

    Arc,

    Your points are well taken. But I wouldn't blame Bob Bernick for those information lapses.

    I would blame Patty Johnson, the state Republican Party secretary; Stan Lockhart, the state Republican Party chair; and their hireling, Ivan Dubois, the state Republican Party executive director, who is theoretically in charge of posting useful information on the party's web site.

    If the GOP officers and staff were doing a better job of communicating with the delegates as to which candidates have announced, I have no doubt that Bob Bernick would have reported the names of all candidates in the races. He might have even reported that I am a candidate for state party secretary.

    Sadly, for two years, they've been very tight-fisted about letting information out to anyone.

    The one hopeful reality that this article reminds us all of is that no matter what happens next week or in June at the state convention, Stan Lockhart, Marian Monnahan, Susie Bramble, James Evans, and Patti Florence will no longer hold party officer positions in the Utah GOP and in its subordinate county parties.

    It's hard to imagine how that won't be a good thing.

  • BG
    April 18, 2009 5:56 p.m.

    Utah, you tied your political dingy to the wrong ship. Even here, Republicans are revealing themselves, to be more and more out of touch with reality! Maybe some of these changes may help, but I doubt the will of the extremist! It's your fringe ideology, that must be abandoned - before a diminished Republican Party, gains credibility/ respectability! The principle of moderation in all things - is good place to start!

  • arc
    April 18, 2009 1:34 p.m.

    One problem with the article, if there are not others, is that there are 4 announced candidates for Utah GOP Vice Chair. Bob mentions one, as if the current person automatically gets re-elected.

    Currently for State Vice Chair are:
    Morgan Philpot
    Christy Achziger
    Todd Weiler
    Carlene Walker

    Out of the above 4, I like Morgan Philpot.

    There is no mention of Shirley Bouwhuis, that I remember of, who is the Davis Co. Chair.

  • Ben Smith
    April 17, 2009 7:40 p.m.

    There are 120 Ex-Officio (automatic) Delegates in Utah county, including the appointed, out of of a total of 1200. Last organizing convention a total of 400 showed up. Do the math!
    The aristodelegates usually show up in force.
    THOSE ARE THE FACTS

  • Patsy
    April 17, 2009 1:43 p.m.

    Maybe when the new leadership is called and set apart. They can be blessed with compassion, inclusion, and a spirit of finding common ground on all issues.

    Who do we talk to about that?

  • Mike Ridgway
    April 17, 2009 1:13 p.m.

    And now we see the violence inherent in the system. CourtHouseSnitch, a regular but thoroughly anonymous poster, wants you to know that he or she (probably he) and the other automatic delegates in the Republican Party have captured control of the system to the point that they can seat themselves as delegates no matter how absent the language is in the party rules that would give them that "honor."

    They steal a Congressional seat, or the position of party chair, or 95% control of the Republican State Central Committee, THROUGH FLAGRANT FRAUD.

    And we, the grassroots members of the party, are supposed to get over it.

    That's not going to happen.

  • Billy Bob
    April 17, 2009 11:15 a.m.

    GOP: God's Own Party.

  • Bernick is dialing it in again
    April 17, 2009 9:44 a.m.

    The timing of this article is suspicious as the state convention is still two months away. I guess Bob is just dialing it in again. His error on Mark Cluff is unbelievable for someone who calls himself a journalist.

    The Brambles and the Lockharts are not going anywhere. Becky and Curt are still elected members of the state legislature. Stan and Susan will still be members of the state central committee and very involved with the party.

    The opportunity to post and comment on this type of article is like crack cocaine for Ridgway and Roobah (his wife). I suspect that Ridgway actually posts under both names.

    The automatic delegate issues is a county by county decision. Utah County delegates have the power to chage it, but consistently choose to leave it the same way it has been for the past 30 years. Just ask Aaron Tilton about how automatic delgates in Utah County make it impossible for a challenger to beat an incumbant.

  • courthousesnitch
    April 17, 2009 9:39 a.m.

    The way I see it these people complaining about "automatic" delegates are just sore losers and need to grow up and stop crying!!!! I think we are all learning with President Obama that elections have consequences. One of these consequences here in Utah is the "honor" of being a delegate.

    Get over it you cry babies!

  • Oh Please
    April 17, 2009 9:26 a.m.

    One Republican shill for another--what's the difference?

  • Anonymous
    April 17, 2009 9:15 a.m.

    Ben I'm not sure where you get the idea of 25%-30% automatic delegates. It may make for a great story, but I think the facts are quite different.

  • Wrex
    April 17, 2009 8:49 a.m.

    The republicans will get together and appoint Chris Buttars as the supreme commander of the universe...

    Then, on his order, they will chase the gays out of town with pitchforks and torches...

  • Dave Duncan
    April 17, 2009 8:37 a.m.

    As a delegate, if I vote to replace an incumbent in the convention, I don't see why that incumbent should get to cancel out my vote--just because he's the incumbent. Yet that is what is happening in Utah County.

  • Ben Smith
    April 17, 2009 8:33 a.m.

    The fact that Utah county has virtually monolithic republican representation is meaningless if those representatives are not faithful to foundational principles of conservatism or republicanism.

    Do autos make a difference? In Utah County, unless delegates turn out in droves (unusual in an organizing year)the convention will be made up of 25%-30% automatic delegates.
    You tell me, could that make a difference?

  • Roobah
    April 17, 2009 7:56 a.m.

    Bob says that automatic Delegates "rarely" determine the outcome of a convention race? Come on, Bob, you wrote about it several times after the conventions last year. More than ever before last year was a wake-up call to the negative effect of automatic delegates. ONE even made national news, that of Buttars casting his own illegal automatic delegate vote to "cause" his one-vote win out of convention. Others like Chaffetz who lost a convention sure win by 9 votes (out of more than 1000 cast). Others: In Utah Co, what about Shepherd, Housekeeper, De Gaston, etc. Their losses were also rather slim and one could suggest "automatic delegates" who overwhelmingly tend to favor "the incumbent" when casting their vote.

    I think the delegates are beginning to get it. The theme of "follow the rules" and "clean up automatic delegates" for fairer elections where challengers have a chance vs. the other side championing for "raise more money" and "keep our elected officials in office" and "oust the Democrats from Salt Lake County". These seem to be the dividing theme for this year's races.

    OK, state/county delegates, which side are you on? The ball's in your court.

  • Mike Ridgway
    April 17, 2009 7:49 a.m.

    Again, Bob Bernick provides an excellent synopsis of the two central issues in the Republican caucus and convention system which are

    1) Establishment-connected delegates illegally displacing grassroots-elected delegates, in violation of Article XII of the UTGOP Constitution, and

    2) Party officers playing games with delegate lists, providing the names, addresses, phone numbers and email address to some candidates and activists while withholding them from others.

    As a Republican Party activist and one who has served many terms as a State Delegate, a Salt Lake County Delegate, a State Central Committee member, a County Central Committee member, and single terms as a member of the State Executive Committee and County Executive Committee, I have led out in efforts to bring the Republican Party into compliance with the two central mandates of the Utah Republican Party Constitution:

    1) That there shall be no delegates at the convention who automatically participate in any Republican convention because they hold either a party leadership position or public office;

    2) That contact information for delegates shall be made available to all requesting at no charge.

    These remain the central planks of my candidacy for UTGOP secretary because compliance on both counts is still abysmal.

  • To Moderators
    April 17, 2009 7:41 a.m.

    Boy, Bernick must have had a rough morning! Another article error... The filing deadline has apparently passed for Utah co. For Salt Lake Co. the filing deadline has NOT passed. It is today 4/17/09 at 5:00 PM. (I know this because I'm still actively recruiting candidates!)

    I'm sure you guys/gals will tap Bob on the shoulder and get these boo-boos fixed in a jiffy!

  • To Moderators
    April 17, 2009 7:38 a.m.

    Annonymous, the first comment is right. Perhaps you can just fix the error in the article and delete that comment? Rick Votaw is the current V.C. of SALT LAKE Co. and Mark Cluff is the current V.C. of UTAH Co. I don't think they are about to move any time soon.

    Roobah

  • Anonymous
    April 17, 2009 6:30 a.m.

    Great homework as always Bob! Mark Cluff lives in Utah Co. while Votaw is in Salt Lake Co. Do you actually research anything or just pointlessly shoot from the hip?

  • ut county
    April 17, 2009 4:38 a.m.

    Utah county finally washed out the slime but I'm sure has plenty of sleaze to fill the void. There should be border checks at Utah county line to slow the traffic coming North.