Anyone that thinks that Mike Ridgway and his "lovely" spouse Roobah have
anything meaningful to say is clearly not thinking straight. MR is supposedly
running for State Secretary. What a train wreck that would be. The ONLY
possible reason he is doing this is so that he gets his 3 minutes at the
microphone to do another diatribe on how HE thinks the world needs to get in
step with HIM, the almighty, the only person qualified to judge how the "rules"
are being followed. Salt Lake County has banned MR from doing anything
whatsoever within the party, he can still be a Republican, however, I don't
think he knows what that is (oh, I forgot he knows everything) but when is the
state get the same idea and block this clown from being such a waste of
Mike Ridgway,I don't know who or what is at fault. The rules or the
people, but it is obviously that a "better job of communicating with
the delegates as to which candidates have announced"needs to happen.
I had discussed this with Dave Hansen, and he agrees totally. I am pretty sure
Tim, Morgan and others do as well.
Arc, Your points are well taken. But I wouldn't blame Bob Bernick
for those information lapses.I would blame Patty Johnson, the state
Republican Party secretary; Stan Lockhart, the state Republican Party chair; and
their hireling, Ivan Dubois, the state Republican Party executive director, who
is theoretically in charge of posting useful information on the party's web
site.If the GOP officers and staff were doing a better job of
communicating with the delegates as to which candidates have announced, I have
no doubt that Bob Bernick would have reported the names of all candidates in the
races. He might have even reported that I am a candidate for state party
secretary.Sadly, for two years, they've been very tight-fisted about
letting information out to anyone.The one hopeful reality that this
article reminds us all of is that no matter what happens next week or in June at
the state convention, Stan Lockhart, Marian Monnahan, Susie Bramble, James
Evans, and Patti Florence will no longer hold party officer positions in the
Utah GOP and in its subordinate county parties.It's hard to imagine
how that won't be a good thing.
Utah, you tied your political dingy to the wrong ship. Even here, Republicans
are revealing themselves, to be more and more out of touch with reality! Maybe
some of these changes may help, but I doubt the will of the extremist! It's
your fringe ideology, that must be abandoned - before a diminished Republican
Party, gains credibility/ respectability! The principle of moderation in all
things - is good place to start!
One problem with the article, if there are not others, is that there are 4
announced candidates for Utah GOP Vice Chair. Bob mentions one, as if the
current person automatically gets re-elected. Currently for State
Vice Chair are:Morgan PhilpotChristy AchzigerTodd WeilerCarlene WalkerOut of the above 4, I like Morgan Philpot. There is no mention of Shirley Bouwhuis, that I remember of, who is the Davis
There are 120 Ex-Officio (automatic) Delegates in Utah county, including the
appointed, out of of a total of 1200. Last organizing convention a total of 400
showed up. Do the math!The aristodelegates usually show up in force.THOSE ARE THE FACTS
Maybe when the new leadership is called and set apart. They can be blessed with
compassion, inclusion, and a spirit of finding common ground on all issues.Who do we talk to about that?
And now we see the violence inherent in the system. CourtHouseSnitch, a regular
but thoroughly anonymous poster, wants you to know that he or she (probably he)
and the other automatic delegates in the Republican Party have captured control
of the system to the point that they can seat themselves as delegates no matter
how absent the language is in the party rules that would give them that
"honor."They steal a Congressional seat, or the position of party
chair, or 95% control of the Republican State Central Committee, THROUGH
FLAGRANT FRAUD. And we, the grassroots members of the party, are
supposed to get over it.That's not going to happen.
GOP: God's Own Party.
The timing of this article is suspicious as the state convention is still two
months away. I guess Bob is just dialing it in again. His error on Mark Cluff
is unbelievable for someone who calls himself a journalist. The
Brambles and the Lockharts are not going anywhere. Becky and Curt are still
elected members of the state legislature. Stan and Susan will still be members
of the state central committee and very involved with the party.The
opportunity to post and comment on this type of article is like crack cocaine
for Ridgway and Roobah (his wife). I suspect that Ridgway actually posts under
both names. The automatic delegate issues is a county by county
decision. Utah County delegates have the power to chage it, but consistently
choose to leave it the same way it has been for the past 30 years. Just ask
Aaron Tilton about how automatic delgates in Utah County make it impossible for
a challenger to beat an incumbant.
The way I see it these people complaining about "automatic" delegates are just
sore losers and need to grow up and stop crying!!!! I think we are all learning
with President Obama that elections have consequences. One of these
consequences here in Utah is the "honor" of being a delegate.Get
over it you cry babies!
One Republican shill for another--what's the difference?
Ben I'm not sure where you get the idea of 25%-30% automatic delegates. It may
make for a great story, but I think the facts are quite different.
The republicans will get together and appoint Chris Buttars as the supreme
commander of the universe... Then, on his order, they will chase
the gays out of town with pitchforks and torches...
As a delegate, if I vote to replace an incumbent in the convention, I don't see
why that incumbent should get to cancel out my vote--just because he's the
incumbent. Yet that is what is happening in Utah County.
The fact that Utah county has virtually monolithic republican representation is
meaningless if those representatives are not faithful to foundational principles
of conservatism or republicanism.Do autos make a difference? In Utah
County, unless delegates turn out in droves (unusual in an organizing year)the
convention will be made up of 25%-30% automatic delegates.You tell me,
could that make a difference?
Bob says that automatic Delegates "rarely" determine the outcome of a convention
race? Come on, Bob, you wrote about it several times after the conventions last
year. More than ever before last year was a wake-up call to the negative effect
of automatic delegates. ONE even made national news, that of Buttars casting
his own illegal automatic delegate vote to "cause" his one-vote win out of
convention. Others like Chaffetz who lost a convention sure win by 9 votes (out
of more than 1000 cast). Others: In Utah Co, what about Shepherd, Housekeeper,
De Gaston, etc. Their losses were also rather slim and one could suggest
"automatic delegates" who overwhelmingly tend to favor "the incumbent" when
casting their vote.I think the delegates are beginning to get it.
The theme of "follow the rules" and "clean up automatic delegates" for fairer
elections where challengers have a chance vs. the other side championing for
"raise more money" and "keep our elected officials in office" and "oust the
Democrats from Salt Lake County". These seem to be the dividing theme for this
year's races. OK, state/county delegates, which side are you on?
The ball's in your court.
Again, Bob Bernick provides an excellent synopsis of the two central issues in
the Republican caucus and convention system which are1)
Establishment-connected delegates illegally displacing grassroots-elected
delegates, in violation of Article XII of the UTGOP Constitution, and 2) Party officers playing games with delegate lists, providing the names,
addresses, phone numbers and email address to some candidates and activists
while withholding them from others.As a Republican Party activist
and one who has served many terms as a State Delegate, a Salt Lake County
Delegate, a State Central Committee member, a County Central Committee member,
and single terms as a member of the State Executive Committee and County
Executive Committee, I have led out in efforts to bring the Republican Party
into compliance with the two central mandates of the Utah Republican Party
Constitution:1) That there shall be no delegates at the convention
who automatically participate in any Republican convention because they hold
either a party leadership position or public office;2) That contact
information for delegates shall be made available to all requesting at no
charge.These remain the central planks of my candidacy for UTGOP
secretary because compliance on both counts is still abysmal.
Boy, Bernick must have had a rough morning! Another article error... The filing
deadline has apparently passed for Utah co. For Salt Lake Co. the filing
deadline has NOT passed. It is today 4/17/09 at 5:00 PM. (I know this because
I'm still actively recruiting candidates!)I'm sure you guys/gals
will tap Bob on the shoulder and get these boo-boos fixed in a jiffy!
Annonymous, the first comment is right. Perhaps you can just fix the error in
the article and delete that comment? Rick Votaw is the current V.C. of SALT
LAKE Co. and Mark Cluff is the current V.C. of UTAH Co. I don't think they are
about to move any time soon.Roobah
Great homework as always Bob! Mark Cluff lives in Utah Co. while Votaw is in
Salt Lake Co. Do you actually research anything or just pointlessly shoot from
Utah county finally washed out the slime but I'm sure has plenty of sleaze to
fill the void. There should be border checks at Utah county line to slow the
traffic coming North.