Guv vetoes video-game bill

He believes measure has First Amendment issues

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  • Frankie Mclean
    March 1, 2010 12:27 a.m.

    Shut up video game haters!

  • Bro Joseph
    March 29, 2009 12:34 a.m.

    Morely and Utah Conservatives are only looking after their own interests. They quote "certainly give the impression that he is out of touch with mainstream Utah,"(Huntsman) The Conservatives try to close the gap on FREEDOM of SPEECH to put unneccesary controls on the populace and waste taxmoney on trivial pursuits. Another extension of the "Patriot Act"
    Huntsman is acting on the interests of the people not the "self righteous"

  • Bravo
    March 27, 2009 5:49 p.m.

    If making sane and logical choices opposed to a sea of stupidity is an example of "pandering," I hope he continues to pander for his entire term.

  • Attack Gypsy
    March 27, 2009 4:46 p.m.

    @Jack Thompson

    Jack, calm down Jack. You know getting worked up over things isn't good for you at your age. One would think you would have learned that when you lost your disbarment trial.

    HB353 was unconstitutional. Even a layman like me could see it. And you're supposed to be a "constitutional expert"? Utah would have been immediately sued and forced to pay millions in legal fees. Just like Louisiana. Wait, didn't Jack have a hand in that bill too?

  • Shrike
    March 27, 2009 1:36 p.m.

    For those of you thinking this endangers your children:

    It does not.

    If HB353 had been signed into law, a retailer could easily stop advertising they follow the ESRB ratings, and sell the worst games to your kids LEGALLY, no questions asked.

    Currently, retailers don't want to sell those games to kids because it violates public trust and good will, and the retailers, surprisingly, are not demons bent on corrupting your youth. They are your neighbors, they are parents, and they are no more evil than a bookseller or magazine vendor.

    HB353 would punish these normal citizens if they were human and erred. It would make trying to uphold trust and goodwill punishable by law, and remove any incentive to provide the consumers, upstanding Utah parents, with information about what objectionable content the games contain.

    Worse, it would waste YOUR tax dollars by forcing investigations of retailers who are accused (and given the drafter/backer of the bill, very likely) FALSELY accused of selling games to minors.

    HB353 is terrible for Utah. It does nothing but invite extortion of retailers and the removal of industry standards for consumer protection. Huntsman's veto is wise fiscally, morally, and constitutionally.

  • text of bill
    March 27, 2009 8:57 a.m.

    So, for all those who are upset because you don't know the text of the bill, you can look it up on the Utah state website (utah dot gov). Basically, the bill says that if you advertise that you don't sell things to people within a certain age group, and then do so (or an employee does) 3 or more times, you are guilty of deceptive trade practices.

    As other posters have pointed out, the easy way around this - don't advertise that you won't sell violent video games to children.

    This bill is nothing more or less than a truth in advertising bill.

  • ezbiker5
    March 27, 2009 8:32 a.m.

    Jack Thompson, If I ever see you say something like that again, I will sue you. So I think you owe me an apology buster.

  • @stupidity in action
    March 26, 2009 7:43 p.m.

    I wouldn't advertize my shortcomings the way you have, but, hey, up to you. . .

    Did you even read this article? Guv didn't veto a bill to limit violence in video games, that's not even what the bill is about.

  • 21utahn
    March 26, 2009 7:28 p.m.

    Glad that the bill got vetoed. I don't agree with Jack Thompson and everytime I see him on the tv he makes himself look like a clown.

  • Carl
    March 26, 2009 5:51 p.m.

    Why "re:Carl", it does seem like I know more than the 95% of the legistlature doesnt it? And the reason is that I don't base my reaction or my opinion against this bill on a 10 minutes speech by the bill sponsor.

    You know, if you are interested, they are audio tapes of the house and of the senate voting on the bill. You will be able to hear from what was said and if you dig a little deep, you will find that this bill (created from the input of a disbarred liar on grounds of fraud and lying to a tribunal) was presented with arguments that most often than not had nothing to do with the wording of the bill.

    Even nationally-prominent conservative Grover Norquist applauded the Veto.

    I don't know much about the Common Ground Initiative but I can tell you, I won't base my opinion on this bill on something totally unrelated.

    To "Stupidity In Action", yes many games are violent but this bill would not limit that, unintended consequence in fact, kid might had easier access to them. That's not what the bill did.

  • Oh Brother...
    March 26, 2009 5:31 p.m.

    Utah Conservative: Code for, well, People who think, act and especially, worship, just like me!

  • Dan
    March 26, 2009 5:24 p.m.

    I smell a future President. If Huntsman made a bid for the presidency I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.

    As a conservative Republican, Mormon, Utah native, and video gamer, I completely agree with his reasoning behind the veto.

    We don't need MORE laws and MORE government. We need more *involved parents* who actually TEACH their kids. Stop expecting the government and the legislature to make all the evil in the world stop.

    Laws don't change people, and they never will.

    For you Mormons out there who oppose this veto, consider that Alma stepped down from the chief judgment seat because he recognized that he could accomplish more good doing missionary work, and teaching people the gospel of peace, than he EVER could through legislative means.

    Teach the people correct principles and let them govern themselves.

  • awsomeron
    March 26, 2009 5:11 p.m.

    Good! Free Speech Trumps, Religious and Moral concerns. Parent if your Child is under 18 do not allow the offending material in your home. Simple as that. That means you have to pay attention to what your Son or Daughter Plays. The Rating on the Box etc. Perhaps play the game with them.

    What fears someone elses Monger, may not Fear yours.

  • three11stu
    March 26, 2009 4:12 p.m.

    To Stupidity in Action:
    I wouldn't let my kids play the games that I play as well. There are ratings on the video games for a reason. Right now, stores that sell video games do not sell Mature rated games to kids under 17. However, if this bill had passed, that policy would have been discontinued, and any kid would be allowed to by any game, making the stores not responsible (which they shouldn't be).
    Just because you don't want your kids playing them doesn't mean that I, as an adult, should be allowed to play them.

  • Anonymous
    March 26, 2009 3:13 p.m.

    Wow, you dont compete against gamers in trash talk!

  • Peter
    March 26, 2009 3:01 p.m.

    It's fortunate that the Gov. sees the risks inherent in the Bill, it is a 'foot in the door' policy that, whilst not innocuous on the surface, was the first step along a worrying road.

    Yes, parents need all the help they can get, that's why game systems come with parental controls, that's why computers come with passwords. That's why parents should be responsible where they put this kind of technology and understand that gaming is not just for little kids.

    That's the real key to dealing with the problem, realising that Video Games are not 'kids toys' any more, they are a massive market, with a customer base that spreads from 4 to 80, and just like you have children's TV and Adult TV, the same applies to Video Games. Personally, I think it's this particular fact that really needs to be pushed to parents, no legislative tool will ever add up to the power a parent can gain from simply understanding the medium and how to control what is displayed on it.

  • Tarosan
    March 26, 2009 2:54 p.m.

    As I said before, Jack's gonna get banned from Utah and then get convicted within a year.

  • Huntsman out of touch
    March 26, 2009 2:48 p.m.

    Huntsman's veto of HB353, his "green agenda" and his support of the Common Ground Initiative "certainly give the impression that he is out of touch with mainstream Utah," said Morley, a noted House conservative. "He's a moderate, not a conservative. And his recent actions don't seem to square with the majority in the Legislature, either.

    I totally agree with the above statement from M. Morley. All of the people replying to this article need to understand that about 90% of the legislature voted FOR THIS BILL. For those of you agreeing with our out of touch Governor, perhaps it's you that need to contact your state elected representatives who ALL voted for the bill before being so quick to side with a Governor who clearly has made an about face politically beginning on November 5th 2008 (gee what coincidence!!)

  • re:Carl
    March 26, 2009 2:40 p.m.

    "Huntsman's veto of HB353, his "green agenda" and his support of the Common Ground Initiative "certainly give the impression that he is out of touch with mainstream Utah," said Morley, a noted House conservative. "He's a moderate, not a conservative. And his recent actions don't seem to square with the majority in the Legislature, either".

    Hey Carl, here's an exercise for ya - do some research on the Common Ground Initiative as well as the Gov's recent about face on gay activism and then ask yourself if Gov Huntsman is standing for Utah values or trying to appease the liberal left to position himself for national office. The answer will be obvious.

  • Huh?
    March 26, 2009 2:33 p.m.

    I didn't feel that this article addressed the issues involved -- quoting the actual bill might have helped us understand what was being presented, and what was at stake in either accepting or vetoeing it.
    It felt a little slanted, and that isn't helpful when this is the first time you've even heard of a bill!

  • re:Carl
    March 26, 2009 2:33 p.m.

    you seem to know more than the 95% of the legislature that voted FOR THE BILL. Perhaps you should call and educate our state elected representatives because they OBVIOUSLY don't understand what in the world the bill's ramifications would be. Better do it before they re-submit the bill and OVERRIDE the governor's liberal veto because that is their plan. While your at it why don't you speak to a few of the legislators as to WHY they feel SO STRONGLY about the bill before being so quick to defend our ever increasing LIBERAL governor!

  • re:You know whats funny about ut
    March 26, 2009 2:18 p.m.

    I'll tell ya what makes no sense - your lack of understanding of our constitution. Ever read the second amendment? Yes that's that darn amendment that gives all of the common folks THE RIGHT to bare arms. Ever wonder why our founders added that amendment? Here's an exercise for ya - go to google and do some research on what Nazi Germany and Communist Russia both had in common - you guessed it - NO RIGHT to bare arms! Only the Nazi SS and the equiv Russian bad guys had the guns. No guns for common citizens. You see, one of the foundation pieces of socialism is ONLY the military and the police have the guns because the whole idea behind government control is to suppress and control the masses and you can't do that if the masses are armed!! Thank HEAVEN our INSPIRED founders saw fit to add the second amendment as one of the pillars of our free society. Of course with any right comes responsibility.

  • Stupidity In Action
    March 26, 2009 2:15 p.m.

    Many video games are EXCESSIVELY violent, crude and/or graphically sexual in nature and Huntsman vetos a bill to limit that?

    My wife and I don't let our kids play any game in which you shoot or hurt other people. Period.

    They can shoot all the robots they want but they can't "aim" at other people. BTW, the oldest 2 are straight "A" students now for over 2 years in a row and the 3rd one's grades are slightly lower but the teachers rave over him and he's admired by other kids his age in class.

    Glad Huntsman is not my governor.

  • Anonymous
    March 26, 2009 1:56 p.m.

    @ Jack

    The very thought of a grown man typing out that response is pathetic. You poor old failure. No wonder you were disbarred.

  • it works out
    March 26, 2009 1:47 p.m.

    The right thing for the wrong reason by someone you don't respect still is the right thing. Thanks, guv.

  • Richard
    March 26, 2009 1:35 p.m.

    I cant believe some of the reactions against the veto. Its hilarious. This bill really is a great example of a wolf hidden under sheeps clothing. Its amazing to see all the people whining that the "sheep" got put down.

  • Frank Azaria
    March 26, 2009 1:28 p.m.

    Everyone who's complaining about the veto obviously hasn't sat down and seriously read past the title of the article or the bill.

    Well except for Jack, he knows what he's doing, what that is though is a mystery to me.

  • Kevin Lee
    March 26, 2009 1:18 p.m.

    I wonder if the Eagle Forum, Rep. Morley and others who support Thompson's cause know he's on this forum telling people to "go back to you suicide game and get real good at it."

    As I mentioned above, this is the REAL Jack Thompson. He's your problem now, Utah.

  • BearDogg-X
    March 26, 2009 12:56 p.m.

    @ the crybabies whining over Gov. Huntsman's veto, thus Huntsman doing the right thing for Utah:

    First, they have get a 2/3rds vote of both houses just to reconvene since the legislative session ended on March 12th.

    Second, Gov. Huntsman has only vetoed two bills so far out of over 300.

    I dare say that the legislature would look pretty stupid to override one or two vetoes of bills that have nothing to do with Utah's budget and could potentially damage the economy further.

    Besides that, it is funny that so-called "conservatives" are complaining over Gov. Huntsman's veto of liberal nanny-state legislation.

  • Kevin Lee
    March 26, 2009 12:55 p.m.

    Jack Thompson said -- "I will be forced to call the NSA or the FBI to have ESA/MPAA and Dennis investigated"

    Jack, I'm pretty sure the FBI is no longer taking your calls after all the times you cried wolf when you didn't get your way. Once the NSA checks your file and sees you've been visited by Federal Marshals for positing vague threats against judges and courthouses and sending hardcore gay porn to judges, they won't take you very seriously either. (Yes, citizens of Utah, those things are true.)

    Let me let you in on a secret, Jack. There is NO organized conspiracy against you. It's the fact that you've been such a jerk to so many people that nobody except the crazies in the Eagle Forum can stand your stench, so it makes it easier for people to justify taking action against you. YOU have made yourself a target and prayed for enemies. YOU brought all of this down on yourself. Live with it.

  • wallofvoodoo
    March 26, 2009 12:53 p.m.

    Sounds like the bills were poorly written & poorly concieved.

  • Carl
    March 26, 2009 12:53 p.m.

    This comment should be considered by commenters "Huntsman will be pro abortion", "Huntsman a disgrace" and "2-face", have you even read the bill or Huntsman reasons to veto it?
    This bill would have enforced governement restrictions on a voluntary system and might have caused retailers to drop the ratings (remember it's voluntary) letting kids of any age buy any violent movie or game they wanted.
    The videogame system already prevents kids from getting their hands on M rated games 94%. This bill could have make this become 0%.
    I thought being a conservative meant less governement control and thought that being a good governor meant protecting the children and helping the parents.
    "but heck who cares about our kids anyway??" You certainly don't.

  • You know whats funny about utah
    March 26, 2009 12:47 p.m.

    Video games kill people, rap and metal music causes them to as well. But guns, nah, who ever heard of a gun killing someone. I tell you it makes NO SENSE!!!

  • Anonymous
    March 26, 2009 12:35 p.m.

    Thank you, Governor Huntsman, for providing a check of sanity on our legislature. Funny to hear legislators like Morley accuse the governor of being out of touch with mainstream Utah when clearly, given his approval rating, he is very much in touch with Utah voters. Interesting to note also that Morley lost his own precinct in this last election.

  • It is heartening
    March 26, 2009 12:28 p.m.

    I am pleased that so many commenters understand that this was a bad law. It didn't protect anybody, it just punished retailers trying to do the right thing. I don't love the gov, but this shows me some wisdom I wasn't sure was there.

  • 2-face
    March 26, 2009 12:01 p.m.

    Old 2 - face Huntsman. Like me tell ya this people, had Huntsman ran this liberal during his first term in office he NEVER wouldn't have made it to a second term!!

  • three11stu
    March 26, 2009 11:59 a.m.

    Hey Jack,
    I just finished playing Grand Theft Auto 4 (great game). Normally I am a happy person, loving husband and father, and nice to all. But all of the sudden I feel like I am possessed and I want to go on a shooting spree. Wow, maybe you were right, games do kill people.
    Ha. Grow up Mr. Thompson. Games don't kill people, people kill people. And thank you governor for your very smart veto of this bill. Parents should be informed of what their children are playing.

  • Stand For Something - GOV
    March 26, 2009 11:57 a.m.

    Some advise for our "new" liberal Gov - pull out President Hinkley's book "Stand For Something" and give it a good re-reading then look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself what YOU stand for these days! It sure isn't what a conservative Mormon governor ought to be doing! Better still, have a chat with Mitt Romney about how NOT to cave into liberal national political correctness!!! So what's next Gov - changing your stance on abortion???

  • Huntsman a disgrace
    March 26, 2009 11:51 a.m.

    Gee, so here is the Gov now into his second and final term, knowing he doesn't have to face the voters of Utah again, and suddenly he transforms before our eyes into a liberal. Gay activism, more than willing to accept and spend the government bail out money for the states, and now he seems to be siding with "anti-moral's" regulation - but heck who cares about our kids anyway?? Let'em have the porno games and play to their hearts content!! Huntsman is turning into Rocky Anderson - and it's not even Halloween yet!!

  • Huntsman will be pro abortion
    March 26, 2009 11:39 a.m.

    So as our wonderful "once" conservative gov transforms himself into something the national scene finds more palatable (a liberal) he tests his new political image on the state of Utah. I think the legislator should re-submit the bill and then just override our new liberal governor. They have almost 95% majority who voted for the bill so they do have the override ability. So I wonder what the gov will change next - pro abortion?? He is already a gay activist so naturally abortion would be the next natural step toward his plunge into liberalism!! Pretty sad and very disappointing to see a man abandon his faith, his party and his state to be more tasteful to the national press. Actually, I WOULDN'T vote for the guy even if he DID run for national office.

  • Anonymous
    March 26, 2009 11:20 a.m.

    Thompson, last I checked neither industry had to outright lie to get their side heard, that was all you and the eagle forum, who I add will likely abandon you the second you are no longer useful to them.

    And I'm pretty sure the Utah Governor has a mind of his own.

    Your little piece of toilet paper has been blushed.

    And if you are so certain thousands if not millions of lives would have been saved, then I have two questions.

    1. Why has the United State's population not been reduced to zero?

    2. How is it you are still alive. IF the game and movie industries had all this power, you'd have been silenced ages ago.

    3. What does either industry stand to gain from their main consumer base being dead or in jail?

  • Conservative
    March 26, 2009 11:07 a.m.

    I consider myself VERY conservative. (My definition of CONSERVATIVE being, "small government is good government.")

    Good for the governor, for doing the CONSERVATIVE thing, keeping government out of one more aspect of private business.

    If you don't like your retailer's sales practices, find a retailer you're more comfortable with. Or stand out front with a sign - exercise YOUR right to expression.

    (Some people seem to think "conservative" means - "government imposes MY personal standards on the populace.")

  • Pat
    March 26, 2009 11:06 a.m.

    It would be great if we could read the language in this bill and make our own judgement on it. As it is, the politics of government are confusing us............again.

    We are not sure who our government officials are. We need to read the bill in order to make those judgements ourselves.

  • Rodrigo Ybanez Garcia
    March 26, 2009 11:02 a.m.

    @Jack Thompson.

    Millions of lives? You are delusional, Jack. You are not stoping any wars to claim that nonsense by banning the entire game industry.

    The only thing dying here is your own cause. Its worthless and misguided. Terrible misguided.

    If you were a little more serious, maybe you could really make something with your life. But because you are more interesed on getting your name on the internet and chassing massacres, this is the result of your dumb actions.

    Nobody is taking you seriously. Not Huntsman. Not Obama. Not gamers.

    You are wasting your time, your life, and the nations time.

    The bill will stay dead like many others they have made in these years because they were made by extreme ignorance of their own Constitution, not even because the games are a danger for "the children" (because we know you give a damn for them, they are tools for you). Thats because all those bills were doomed to oblivion, as your own cause.

    Jack Thompsons greatest enemy Jack himself.

    Enjoy your life, Jack, and get a real job.

  • Frank Azaria
    March 26, 2009 10:58 a.m.

    Dont worry about the veto Jack, just save and reload, save and reload, or if that fails hit the reset button.

  • Alevan
    March 26, 2009 10:51 a.m.


    Will you stop? You don't know the true meaning of morality. You can't do anything - the bill is dead. The likelihood of it being revived is not likely and all you were going to do was destroy the ESRB and Movie Ratings system entirely.

    What was the point? The bill would do more damage then good. You have an idea, yes, but if you want to protect children that badly then make an educational program.

    You do realize that Governers have internet too, right? the minute he sees your true colors, I doubt he nor anyone else would give you the time of day.

    Stop your petty little insults.

  • Austin_Lewis
    March 26, 2009 10:43 a.m.

    My God, what a hypocrite. If think your version of morality is America's version, you need your head examined again. Well, you need that anyway. I love your conspiracy theories, it's like the crazy things you can hear from people in places like Roswell, New Mexico.
    By the way, stop comparing yourself to Christ. Christ wasn't a liar, Christ wasn't a deceiver, and Christ didn't bend the truth for his own ends. He sacrificed himself for the world, not for an idiotic lie and a personal agenda. How about you go get a real job before you accuse people like Ezbiker of being pot-heads, by the way. Maybe you can get a job at McDonald's, but I don't know if they'd trust you enough to leave you alone near the cash register.

  • Store Owner
    March 26, 2009 10:38 a.m.

    If I were a store owner and HB353 passed "to protect the children" by sueing my buisness till I'm in the ground or inhumanly 100% perfect on my ID checks I'd be:

    1. Droping my buisness policy of ID checking and putting up a "welcome all" sign near the mature video games in accordance with HB353 (makes me wonder what Jacks motive really is)

    2. Going with my concience and just closing up shop, which would funnel my customers to stores that didnt check ID's in the first place.

  • CMiner
    March 26, 2009 10:36 a.m.

    Another conspiracy accusation? Who'da thought? Of course, its simply not possible that a rational, logical adult would find fault with anything Thompson does/supports, therefore any opposition are obviously oblivious morons, tools of the industry, or being blackmailed. It all makes sense.

    The Governor did what he found to be best for his constituents and the state. By vetoing this bill, he ensures that:
    1) His state does not waste money by having to pay the court costs of the inevitable lawsuits, like other states which have tried to put in place Thompson's flawed legislation.

    And more importantly 2) That parents, not the government, remain empowered to decide what their children should or should not be exposed to.

    This bill said to parents: You shouldn't be involved in your child's life. We'll handle it for you, because you're not capable.

    Never mind the existing 94% -VOLUNTARY- enforcement success rate.

  • Nightwng2000
    March 26, 2009 10:30 a.m.

    "Morality" was dead long ago when bigotry, hate, ignorance, lies, deceit, fraud, corruption, abuse, and other dishonorable, unethical acts were used as being "positive" aspects of what is "moral".

    Yet, here, once again is evidence that the bill was BASED on "moral" judgment. The arguments used during the hearings, during the voting, even in arguing to drum up support for this bill was more than sufficient evidence that the claims the bill had nothing to do with defining "harm to minors" was false.

    Further evidence that future bills would be designed as paths to far more restrictive, UnConstitutional, Anti-American Constitution bills. The bill failed and rightly so. The proof that the bill itself, once law, was going to be misused to an abusive degree, and also be used as a stepping stone for further subversive acts against the First Amendment, is quite clear in the very arguments used, contrary to the false claims as to what the bill was going to be used for in legal circles.


  • Joy of Life
    March 26, 2009 10:21 a.m.

    It's OK Jack, just cry it all out and don't play with that Gov. Huntsman anymore if you think he's going to be mean to you.

  • Shado Darkman of the Azure Stars
    March 26, 2009 10:17 a.m.


  • Concerned Utahn.
    March 26, 2009 10:09 a.m.

    The citizens this state place so much emphasis on party affiliation. Because he was allegedly a conservative "Republican", we voted for him, only later did we learn that he's a centrist like his mentor John McCain. He's a bit leftist when it comes to enforcing laws regarding undocumented/illegal immigrants, he's pro-civil unions, anti-"censorship." Bottom line, he's never been a conservative, so we got what we voted for. He and his arched eyebrow will likely run for higher office, and as such he's being a political game player.

  • DavCube
    March 26, 2009 10:07 a.m.

    Mr. Thompson, you talk about Huntsman not using reality-based logic, yet you start to go on these conspiracy theories yet again.

    How many times must we spoon-feed you just how much of a hypocrite you are?

  • Kevin Lee
    March 26, 2009 10:05 a.m.

    Ah, the real Jack Thompson steps forward to spew his hate and crazy conspiracy theories of blackmail and racketeering. Jack, you are not a resident of Utah. You are not a lawyer. You're really not in a position to "demand" anything of Utah's governor.

    Jack, I suppose The Deseret News is in on the conspiracy now of changing your post to include a zillion typos, misspelled words, and poor grammar.

  • Mormon Gamer
    March 26, 2009 10:03 a.m.

    Jack, I hope that is not you. That has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard anyone say. How exactly do you "recount" the opinion of anyone let alone a governor? Here I guess I will try to do it.

    Let's see, there is one veto against the bill from Gov. Huntsman. O signatures from governor Huntsman.

    Did that help you comprehend what happened?

    Racketeering huh? So retailers telling the Gov that the only way to protect themselves from lawsuits brought by this bill is to drop their enforcement policies is racketeering now? Perhaps you would like to look up racketeering in the dictionary. But you most likely will not understand what it really is as you failed at law.

  • Frank Azaria
    March 26, 2009 10:03 a.m.

    I dont think how much in 'touch' anyone is is relevant at all. IMHO Huntsman made a move that is more in touch with Utah sensabilities than the worlds, even if many Utahs couldnt see past the bills cover of sheeps clothing.

    HB353 may have presented itself in the favor of protecting children but would have put more mature games in the hands of more children if it passed.

    Jack can try to misdirect all he wants claiming the age rating system are government binding, but HB353 didnt deal with the rating system at all, it dealt with punishing those who didnt drop their policies based on the rating system and didnt sell to minors. That is unless that store could deliver on that promise an inhuman 100% of the time.

  • Huntsman is a Pretty Pony
    March 26, 2009 10:02 a.m.

    Gov Huntsman doesn't care for what's good for Utah families and protecting the children in state. He wishes to position himself nationally to a population that would rather have a dog than children, and would never stomach a governor in a national position of leadership that supported this sort of precautionary legislation.

    I guess my question is whether the combined legislators of the state have the power to override a governor's veto.

  • BearDogg-X
    March 26, 2009 9:56 a.m.

    Funny you should run your mouth, Jack, as you teach kids that it's OK to lie without consequence to get what you want.

    Funny, you've never been able to absolutely prove that "violent" video games "harm" people in any way.

    It's not anyone's fault that Gov. Huntsman wants to be seen as a maverick a la Sen. John McCain, and made a maverick move in vetoing the pile of horse manure that was your bill.

  • Mormon Gamer
    March 26, 2009 9:51 a.m.

    Jack, You act like a governor should never go against the votes of the Legislature. If that were truly how government worked, why would we even need a governor? That is why we have three separate but equal bodies in government. If the will of the legislature is so strong and unanimous,they should have no problem reconvening and overriding this veto.

    But alas, it will not be so. Most of those who voted for it most likely did so not because truly believed in the bill, but for the political capitol it brought.

    For your other argument, not all game retailers made that promise to Congress. Those that did were not doing so in order to solicit business. They did so to help get congress off their back and prevent laws such as this one. Also, since you do not seem to have any understanding of Constitutional law, you cannot charge anyone for a crime committed before it became illegal. Thus retailers would have every right to remove advertisements and policies that stated they do not sell to minors. They had until January 1, 2010 to do so and they could not be touched by this law.

  • Rodrigo YbaŁez Garcia
    March 26, 2009 9:28 a.m.

    Hey, Jack Thompson:

    What would you think if I send yoour post (and many others) to Huntsman so he can have a good look of what you really are.

    Congratulations for your new FAIL. You deserve it.

  • ezbiker5
    March 26, 2009 9:21 a.m.

    Jack put a cork in it. You lost again. Get over it and do something else than whining to us.

    The governor did the right thing in vetoing your unethical bill.

  • kurisu7885
    March 26, 2009 9:06 a.m.

    Was glad to see this news.

    And Thompson, grow up. You lost. Get over it and move on.

  • Duffy
    March 26, 2009 8:53 a.m.

    @Re: "A Moderate"

    Just because a bunch of uninformed/self-serving people vote for something doesn't make it "right" or negate any conflicts with the Constitution. The biggest mistake in American politics is assuming Democracy is always right...which is why we are a Republic.

  • Annoymous
    March 26, 2009 8:50 a.m.

    Well, as they say, John Bruce Thompson is the real life super villain... if one plan fails, he jumps to another one. Which state will he try his nefarious schemes on, New Jersey? California? what about Texas? Who knows with him.

    I am very happy that the Governer of Utah saw past the lying ex-lawyer and vetoed it. This is a victory for parents and children everywhere. While I believe that there should be something to keep kids from getting M rated games, this was the wrong way to do it. Education is key, now lawsuits and unconstitutional laws.

    Unfortunately, John Bruce Jackson refuses stop his obsession on the video game industry. I do hope he gets some psychiatric help for his obsession. It IS quite unhealthy.

  • Sam F.
    March 26, 2009 8:44 a.m.

    Good call from Gov. Huntsman. That bill was completely idiotic. In effect, it punished retailers for having an age-check policy. Clearly penalizing stores for even trying isn't the way to prevent minors from having access to mature material, which wasn't even a problem in the first place. Studies have shown that adults are involved in the purchase of rated material an overwhelming majority of the time, and that the child was carded most of the other times. At best this was nothing more than unnecessary, feelgood legislation to an imaginary issue, and a thinly veiled, deliberate attempt at censorship through chilling effect at worse. Good riddance.

  • xscribe
    March 26, 2009 8:38 a.m.

    Huntsman may be out of touch with mainstream Utah, but mainstream Utah is out of touch with mainstream America.

  • Shado Darkman of the Azure Stars
    March 26, 2009 8:35 a.m.

    Jack, you amuse me. Your rants and ravings are naught but comedy to me.

    And yet, your antics do get old. You will only be half-missed when you leave us, which should not be long, given your age.

  • Re: "A Moderate"
    March 26, 2009 8:32 a.m.

    The fact is that the legislature is elected by the people and the legislature, both House and Senate, voted overwhelmingly for this bill. The fact is that the Governor is indeed out of touch with both - now play the same on his other to big points: the environment and gay issues. Again the Guv is trying to position himself not to win favor by Utahns but for those elsewhere.

    Very disappointing that he is not more like his father.

  • Kevin Lee
    March 26, 2009 8:26 a.m.

    @Jack Thompson -- Jack, "advertising" does not incorporate a company making a vow to Congress, and even if they did make this promise can are certainly allowed to renege. Your words condemn your actions, Thompson. Let's face it. You were hoping this legislation would pass simply so you could make life miserable for the retailers. Thankfully, the governor of Utah was wise to your shenanigans and shut it down. You, the Eagle Forum and Rep. Morley should be ashamed. (But we all know Jack Thompson, disbarred and discredited for being a lying scumbag, and a man who celebrates every time there's another school shooting because he can further his own sick agenda, has no shame.)

  • Silly
    March 26, 2009 8:22 a.m.

    In this day and age of lawsuits why would any retailer further expose themselves to legal action from parents? The rating system is voluntary at this point, and kudos to the industry for doing that, but to provide more ammunition for sue happy people would just be stupid.

    Good on Huntsman for making a wise decision. If he really no longer represented Utah values and beliefs, then why does 84% of the state approve of him. What you are saying is that he may not represent all of YOUR ultra conservative views, so toss him to the side.

    It is that same close minded attitude that makes me not want to live in Utah. Utahns are some of the most close-minded people in America.

  • BearDogg-X
    March 26, 2009 8:21 a.m.

    The fact was that Rep. Morley, Sen. Buttars, and others needed to use "sucker arguments" and bald-faced lies to get the worthless bill passed.

    Gov. Huntsman saw through those lies and made the correct move in vetoing it. The governor doesn't have to show his hand if he doesn't want to.

  • James "Achtung Spitfire"
    March 26, 2009 8:12 a.m.

    @ Jack Thompson: Sir, you are one to talk about facts. You speak as though you are politician from Utah, yet we all know you are a disbarred lawyer from Florida who is guilty of 27 of 31 counts of misconduct that includes harassing and lying. Mr. Thompson, anything that had your hand in it should be suspect to further scrutiny, as it may contain vast fabrications that you have been known for.

    Yes the MPAA, ESA, and other lobbyists did state that rather than be held liable many retailers would just dump any policy for enforcing any rating system. This bill which apparently you had a hand in, would do the opposite of what you intended.

    Now you are here, crying because the Governor did his job and enforced common sense in the state and insulting his rationale? Shame on you, Mr.Thompson. No one here is going to fall for your lies, as you have tried before...

  • Instereo
    March 26, 2009 8:11 a.m.

    Anyone in this state compared to Morley is a leftist liberal. All they have to do is think clearly. I support the governor in his veto and I support him in his moderate mainstream views. He's the future of the Republican Party, not the Morley and his hate/fear politics.

  • James "Achtung Spitfire"
    March 26, 2009 8:04 a.m.

    Considering this law was based off of the 'recommendation' of a lawyer who was stripped of his license because of 27 of 31 counts of misconduct, which included lying to judge and lying to a court, good on the Governor to veto this. Maybe the house shall come up with a better worded or an actual useful bill? Hopefully one that a liar and harasser of true upholders of the law has no tainted touch on. Thank you Governor.

    As for all you who say the Governor is selfish on this think of this: This bill would have recommended that if a store sold an R-rated movie or game to a minor that store is liable for false advertising, IF they have a policy that states 'we ID for minors' or 'we don't sell to minors'. If they didn't want to be held liable, all they have to do is remove that policy and sell which ever product to whomever is asking. Thus, making that bill do the opposite of what it was made for. Not a very good thing to put on the state of Utah's shoulder in my opinion.

  • You elected him
    March 26, 2009 7:58 a.m.

    so stop complaining. He is exactly what he has always been. Big money talk. I seriously doubt he is in any way worried about being a good governor in Utah. He wants to be president. Rumors are that he already has a task force in Washington check out the possibilities. He is going to have to walk up the back of Romney. Should be intereting. The battle of the billionaires.

  • BH
    March 26, 2009 7:56 a.m.

    Good call. It is clear that this bill would have not been in the best interest of families and children.

    Why would a retailer use a voluntary rating system, if in the future, he may be penalized for errors in using the system? Anyone with any sense would stop using the voluntary rating system. Tell me how that helps protect the family from violent or sexual content in video games.

    Three cheers for a governer who, instead of knee jerk reactions to bad situations, seeks good common sense solutions. too bad the extreme rights do not realize that the guv is acting in their best interest.

  • jack thompson
    March 26, 2009 7:54 a.m.

    Huntsman, in vetoing HB 353 despite near unanimous votes for it the Utah House and Senate, falsely stated yesterday, after his veto, that the movie industry and video game industry would opt out of their age-rating and labeling of games and movies if he signed the Truth in Advertising law amendment. The Utah Speaker of the House and others have refuted this silly argument. This bizarre rationale by Huntsman was and is a complete fabrication, as commitments by both industries to the federal government make opting out of the age ratings systems totally impossible. This was a sucker argument that Huntsman bought.

    Gov. Huntsmans rationale was so devoid of reality-based logic that he failed even to inform Rep. Mike Morley, who sponsored HB 353, that he was even considering a veto. Huntsman didnt want to be confused by the facts which Rep. Morley could have and would have given him.

  • State Legislators are clueless
    March 26, 2009 7:46 a.m.

    Good for Gov. Huntsman. It's about time common sense prevailed in one branch of the state government, anyway.

  • Laura
    March 26, 2009 7:18 a.m.

    It's painfully obvious that Huntsman is no longer a Utah Governor. He's pandering to a much bigger crowd now. For what purpose, I really don't know....but it's obvious his pandering is purely selfish.

    Save your distaste unless you're willing to vote for someone else next go around.

  • Jared
    March 26, 2009 6:43 a.m.

    Hunstman has a significant left lean? He's still right of center but that gives him a significant left lean? I love Utah and generally like Utah politics but since when was it a sin to not be ultra conservative?I think you'd want a governor or other leader who doesn't just go along with party lines all the time. Sometimes what one party wants is not right; that goes for Republicans as well as Democrats.

  • Sortableturnip
    March 26, 2009 6:34 a.m.

    Governor Huntsman saw through the lies of Rep. Morley and Jack Thompson and did the right thing.

    *round of applause*

  • Anonymous
    March 26, 2009 5:31 a.m.

    To TBoneTony: Apparently a lot of taxpayers' money was wasted on you. The education budget was clearly not enough to teach you spelling and grammar.

    And yes, the legislature does reflect the general political sense of the state. Just because one bill was vetoed doesn't mean the rest of the legislative session was "out of touch" with Utah.

    Honestly, some of these blogs are so silly.

  • Shrike
    March 26, 2009 4:19 a.m.

    How does your statement relate to the article? If you are trying to criticize the Governor, this is hardly the appropriate article to do it in.

    HB353 boils down to "Thanks, Movie and Game industries, for voluntarily making this rating system for informing consumers. We will now make it the basis of fining and suing retailers of these products if our sting operations catch anyone off guard at the store/theater. Also, con-artists can now threaten retailers by buying games and then claiming kids bought them... GOTCHA!"

    It is a weak, money wasting, chilling-effect bill that abuses the Truth in Advertising law to put more power in the hands of the state and take it away from individuals, namely parents. It also gives less upstanding citizens a means to extort retailers.

    I thought real conservatives hated that sort of 'nanny state' mentality.

    Regardless of what you think of the Governor's political leanings, vetoing HB353 bill was a smart, politically conservative move(in fact, the *conservative* media watchdog group "Media Freedom Project" also wrote to the Governor to encourage his opposition. Maybe he's more centrist than leftist, but that's a discussion for another article.

  • LiberalsReallyWatchDesNews
    March 25, 2009 9:01 p.m.

    11 comments - all in favor of the veto? No, I don't think this even CLOSELY reflects the average Utah voice. Let's fact it, the Gov has a significant left lean, it's just that most people from Utah haven't figured that out yet because of his hollywood look. We have never seen such a spendthrift. Nor have we seen anyone grab power like he does. 4 day work week without even discussing it with Utah's workforce (and yes it is unconstitutional - see the constitution Article XVI, Section 6 - "8 hours shall constitute a day's work on all . . . State, County or Municipal governments;") a simple edict and POOF - there goes the Utah Constitution. Scary

  • BearDogg-X
    March 25, 2009 8:36 p.m.

    Rep. Morley also showed himself to be the one out of touch, since a recent Deseret News poll gave Gov. Huntsman a whopping 84% job approval rating compared to the legislature's 64% approval rating.

  • TBoneTony
    March 25, 2009 8:16 p.m.

    I would wonder why does some politicians think of themselves as mainstream Utah, when in reality most of mainstream Utah are not really politicians at all.

    Saying that the governor is out of touch is a weak argument.

    Perhaps the Gov is more like the Umpire of a Football match, and instead of wasting Tax Payers money on a weak and pitifully legislation, the Gov decided to veto it to save Tax payers money that would have been wasted,

    It does not matter what John Bruce Thompson and the Eagle Forum say, they are in the minority and they are not used to it.

    Stop being sore losers and realize that everyone has the right to the Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Expression, even children do.

    If you can't understand that, then there is something wrong with your way of thinking.

  • BearDogg-X
    March 25, 2009 8:02 p.m.

    Gov. Huntsman made a smart move vetoing HB353.

    Rep. Morley is out of touch with mainstream America, who saw this bill as a joke and a bill that needed lies to get passed.

  • A Moderate
    March 25, 2009 7:45 p.m.

    " Huntsman's veto of HB353, his "green agenda" and his support of the Common Ground Initiative "certainly give the impression that he is out of touch with mainstream Utah," said Morley, a noted House conservative. "He's a moderate, not a conservative. And his recent actions don't seem to square with the majority in the Legislature, either." "

    What a joke....It would appear Rep. Morely's location in Utah County has clouded his judgement on what "mainstream Utah" really is...since most of us live in Salt Lake County and voted Obama (It may have only been 250 votes but still...). Also the legislature is far more conservative than the majority of Utahns.

  • Parent of kids
    March 25, 2009 7:44 p.m.

    It is good that the Governor vetoed it. When retailers are already enforcing the voluntary system 94% of the time in Utah, a bill like this only punishes those trying to provide parents with information. Their obvious choice is to stop giving parents information about games to avoid the law. Let's let parents learn about the games and do the parenting. The government has no rating system or way to tell about the games. I'm glad our Governor was able to look beyond the sales-pitch headline and see the true effect of this bill. Thank you Gov. Huntsman!

  • Huntsman
    March 25, 2009 7:36 p.m.

    Huntsman is positioning himself as a centrist and will run for President in 2012.

  • Mark
    March 25, 2009 7:08 p.m.

    Rep. Morley criticizes Gov. Huntsman of not being in the mainstream on Utah's population. What this bill does is bring in government control which is not a conservative tenet. If these legislators would keep religion out of governing the conservatives would be able to be conservative without being Mormon and liberals would not have to be non-Mormon. Let the free market dictate. Lower our taxes and stay out of our lives.

  • Good for Huntsman
    March 25, 2009 7:06 p.m.

    I think our legislators are frightening in their abuse of and infatuation with power. Anything the governor can do to stick a thumb in their eye I applaud!

  • Missing something
    March 25, 2009 7:05 p.m.

    They are not saying why the Gov vetoed this. It really doesn't have anything to do with fisrt amendment rights. He feels that if this passed some video game store chains would simple stop advetising that they don't sell to minors, because would only effect them if they do. The mentality of some of these stores is, "I would rather not advetise and remove the posability of being sued. That way if one of my employees makes a mistake, I don't have to pay a large sum of money."

    I'm all for not allowing minors to purchase rated M games, but this bill will not serve the purpose that they think it will.

  • GeeBee
    March 25, 2009 6:57 p.m.

    I love how conservatives want to "leave parenting to parents" when it comes to sex-ed (the U.S. is now #1 in teen birthrates), but have no trouble taking the reigns away when it comes to music, videos, and games. Get real. Kudos Governor.

  • james
    March 25, 2009 6:49 p.m.

    MR Morley.... you are a good example of what is wrong with this contry. you are a cheat. and us in spanish fork are on to you !!!!!

  • Henry
    March 25, 2009 6:48 p.m.

    I like how being a moderate, caring about pollution, and treating people like people and not as a rancid disease are all bad things in the eyes of the bills sponsor. Who do you think is out of touch?

  • Best Leader in Utah
    March 25, 2009 6:44 p.m.

    Thank you Governor Huntsman, thank you. For reforming the liquor laws, for lowering the food tax and trying to get it removed, and now for this. Your one of the few bright spots in Utah politics along with Ralph Becker.

  • Anonymous
    March 25, 2009 6:35 p.m.

    Nice to see that the Eagle Forum isn't all powerful in Utah. The voluntary system that has been put in place works. This bill only encouraged retailers to drop their age verification practices, and it was rightfully shot down.