Bishop, Chaffetz help GOP torpedo massive land bill

They say it would lock up too much acreage, inhibit repairs in national parks

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  • Process Matters
    March 13, 2009 6:17 a.m.

    I agree with you Fred. Would be so good if everyone just got along and were intellectually honest. The problem with the omnibus lands bill, is that it was stuffed with a lot of bad stuff. And a majority of the titles were individual measures that had never been debated, or even had a hearing on. They were just stuffed into the big bill just because ---the people in power, the Democrats, could. They could. And so, they did. WIthout following regular order. Rules matter. Process matters. So while there may be some good things in the bill, we shouldn't reward bad behavior and bad process because it will only invite more of the same in the future. I'm glad the bill failed. Maybe they can start-over and do it right next time. That's what we elect and pay them to do....

  • Good Job
    March 12, 2009 8:40 p.m.

    My many thanks to Bishop and Chaffetz....what the heck are our two Senators doing? I don't even recognize them anymore. It is time for a big change in the Senate...

  • Re: Anonymous, 7:56 am
    March 12, 2009 11:19 a.m.

    I thought Wash Co was booming in sprawly development and losing all its beauty (beauty=why Utah is so different from Jersey). I've heard that lots of folks in Wash Co support this legislation (as Fiddler mentioned). What's your beef with wilderness areas? Why doesn't Wash Co want it? I love riding out to an expansive view. Tell me more.


  • Fred
    March 12, 2009 10:32 a.m.

    What a shame that we are so polarized and politicized, and can't have any real dialogue about how to protect what really matters to our future generations. Shame shame on all those who dig in their heels, make noise, and retrench, rather than work towards finding agreement and solutions. I am rapidly losing faith in our area politicians, who would rather posture than serve.

  • Utahn
    March 12, 2009 10:24 a.m.

    Thank you Bishop and Chaffetz. The real question is why did Hatch and Bennett vote for a bill that would have such dire consequences? It just shows once again that we need to get rid of these two bozos. I will vote for anyone who runs against Bennett this next cycle. I have had it with both of them.

  • Mike
    March 12, 2009 8:39 a.m.

    It's a bad bill and will always be a bad bill. Props to Bishop and Chafetz.

  • Voter
    March 12, 2009 8:35 a.m.

    Hurrah for Rob Bishop and Jason Chaffetz! Two very rare voices of sanity and fiscal responsibility in a large herd of mostly ignorant pork producers.

    Keep on fighting the bloat and waste!

    The real question is:
    Is Matheson the fiscally responsible person he claims to be, or just another puppet where Speaker Nancy "Plane Ride" Pelosi pulls the strings?

    Inquiring voters want to know!

  • Fiddler
    March 12, 2009 8:31 a.m.

    The defeat was a disservice to Utah. Bishop and Chaffetz should be ashamed for trying to undo what many Utahns put into that bill. The Washington County provision is a multiple-purpose land use bill to advance both development and conservation.

  • lost in DC
    March 12, 2009 8:19 a.m.

    RE To lost in DC, from 5:14 pm. you say blame, I say credit.

  • Response to New Jersey
    March 12, 2009 8:17 a.m.

    Ummm -- you missed Bishops point, Miss New Jersey. It was that we should not create NEW units of the national Park System WHEN we already have a $5 billion dollar backlog of Park Service repairs and maintenance on existing parks AND also that the Natioanl Park Service Didn't Recommend the New Jersey proposal as a new unit of their system! So New Jersey congresspeople were trying to ram it down the throats of the natioanl park service, and the US Taxpayer. If your butterfly gardens are so neat, let the New Jersey taxpayers foot the bill, not the rest of us!!!

  • Anonymous
    March 12, 2009 7:56 a.m.

    The last thing this country needs is more wilderness areas--and we certainly don't need and don't want it in Washington County.

    Before we're through with Obama and this Democratic Congress, we'll all going to fell like we've been run over by a herd of elephants (or donkeys). It's no wonder Congress has the lowest approval rating of any congress in the history of this country.

  • arc
    March 11, 2009 11:38 p.m.

    This bill isn't dead, it needed 2/3 this time but on 1/2+ next. Nice to see Bishop and Chaffetz doing some good.

  • Mahershalalhashbaz
    March 11, 2009 9:43 p.m.

    Great job Bishop. I'm proud to call you my representative. Hatch and Bennett, I'm proud I voted to give you term limits every time you ran. Chafetz, I'm still undecided about you, how can you be good when you are affiliated with Huntsman the Younger? But still I have an open mind.

  • To "lost in DC | 2:56 p.m"
    March 11, 2009 5:14 p.m.

    Sorry. I didn't make it throught the whole article (so many articles so little time). Guess you are right. We CAN blame the GOP for everything!

  • lost in DC
    March 11, 2009 2:56 p.m.

    GOP did it ALONE? - please read the article, it said it needed a 2/3 majority because of some parlimentary rule, so yes, the minority repubs were able to stop it.

  • GOP did it ALONE?
    March 11, 2009 2:33 p.m.

    Sooo.... The GOP did it? Just the GOP? All alone? When they are in the minority?


    Let's just blame the GOP for everything we don't like. It seems to be working.

  • re:lost in DC
    March 11, 2009 2:00 p.m.

    Nor do we care. the fact is if the government can not keep up on the current parks, they have little room to ask for more. If it is important to New Jersey - then add it as a State park.

    It is time for the federal government to get out of the business of locking up land in a state just to make it last forever - let the state make decisions within the state.

  • lost in DC
    March 11, 2009 1:44 p.m.

    Bonnie and/or Jim S., could you please educate us about the Paterson cite? Most of us know little to nothing about it.

  • Jim S.
    March 11, 2009 1:38 p.m.

    Here's what the NorthJersey Record Newspaper says about Bishop's claim:

    "Rep. Rob Bishop, R-Utah, mocked the falls preservation, saying the bill would preserve a brewery, a butterfly garden and condominiums. Bishop's office did not immediately return a call seeking details about the charge, however, and the bill makes no mention of such things.

    It's possible Bishop was relying on an idea for the site conceived but never executed when Jim McGreevey was governor earlier in this decade."

    Bishop should get his facts right before speaking on the House floor.

  • Bill
    March 11, 2009 1:32 p.m.

    If Bishop and Chaffetz had their way, the whole country would be covered in pavement and oil rigs. Maybe they should move to New Jersey because that's their vision for Utah.

  • Bonnie
    March 11, 2009 1:25 p.m.

    Rep. Bishop doesn't have a clue some of what he's railing against. He has totally misrepresented the Paterson, NJ proposal, and used his misunderstanding as one reason to defeat the bill.

    Gee, seems like Utahns get upset when eastern legislators try to pass bills dealing with Utah lands - with the reasoning that easterners don't have a clue what the west is all about and the hardships we suffer at the hands of the federal government.

    I doubt the good Representative has ever been to Paterson or knows the significance or history of the Great Falls located there.

    Next time he goes off on a tangent about how misunderstood Utah people and lands are, I hope he recognizes his own hypocrisy.

  • Don Williams
    March 11, 2009 12:53 p.m.

    Great job. Hang in there.

  • Right on!
    March 11, 2009 12:35 p.m.

    Hang in there REPs. On the senate side, however, I would like to see our senators introduce a term- limits bill.

  • Reason
    March 11, 2009 12:15 p.m.

    Congrats to Bishop and Chaffetz.