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  • JBG
    Jan. 13, 2010 8:24 a.m.

    As for the church (I'm not familiar with LDS), the Bible teaches us to hate the sin, but love the sinner. It also teaches us to observe the laws of the land (render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's). It even said that slaves did not get to revolt against their masters just because the are Christians (Philemon and Onesimus). True freedom is found in Christ, but it is freedom from sin, not a promise of a better physical life, although sometimes that results when you live an upright life. I can have compassion on someone who stole to feed his family, but he still sinned and committed a crime. He can be forgiven of the sin, but still has to serve his prison time. I can forgive him and volunteer to help feed his family, but I won't try to destroy our justice system to keep him out of jail because I think he's been forgiven. The Bible says follow the law unless it asks me to sin, else I sin when I break the law. Illegal immigrants are in sin and remain so until they go home.

  • jessie 12-31-09 11PM
    Dec. 31, 2009 9:23 p.m.

    Why do we have a law on the books if we arent going to enforec it?

  • anonymous
    Aug. 29, 2009 5:50 p.m.

    My mother struggles everyday and since imigration has my father there's not much to say.It was a few weeks after my Dad's birthday that they knocked at 4am in the moring at our door. My father was leaving for work when I saw him come back with fear in his eyes trying not to cry. I was awake at the time working on my project for school when this happen.Later that day I went to school, pretending like nothing happen but at the end of the day I burst into tears . One thing im sure of is that I will never forget how they treated my parents, it was so cold like if they were some kind of animals that never should of been born. Is hard to describe the cruelty of it all, for it all happen so fast. I will hope for the better. Jay

  • anonymous
    July 7, 2009 12:24 p.m.

    this land was founded on the idea of building better lives. Our ancestors were not legal citizens of this country when they came but the came anyway with the idea of making a better life for themselves and their family. so now that our ancestor killed and imprisoned the native people from this land they are self proclaimed citizens that can say who can and can't try and make a better life for themselves. I think that the government needs to make it so that it is easier to come into this country. The people that come here only want better lives and many do the jobs that americans find themselves "to good to do" Look in the fast food restaurants and you will find that it is mainly latinos flipping those burgers or doing the janitorial jobs. Get real & be honest you don't see very many white people cleaning toilets for a living. Honest people know this to be true it is the blind that try to say that it is a lie. truth is truth. This bill will separate families only wanting better lives. someone should separate you from your kids, how you like it then

  • high school senior
    April 7, 2009 12:52 a.m.

    My mom was crying the other day and i asked her whats wrong. She said " We might need to move to another state." i asked why? " Because they are going to kick us out of utah." I decided to not think about it. I have a future here, im going to college this summer and i am graduating with my friends of second grade. It really started to kick in when i was in the middle of the LDS Conference in SLC. My mind kept running and could not stop thinking about my unknown future. I do not know what is going to happen and i dont have time to think about it. I go to school in the morning and work seven hours in a restaurant at night. But at that moment i couldnt stop my tears. There is a feeling inside of me that makes me feel that there is no hope. At the same time, I feel disgust against my own religion for such hypocracy going on. How could mostly LDS officials have a spiritually free conscience when they dont care about the consequences they are going to inflict on their foreign brothers.

  • InSearchOfTruth
    March 16, 2009 6:37 p.m.

    To HA,HA,HA (who posted at 10:26 a.m. on March 3, 2009) and anyone else who believes and spouts the same lie that illegals only do jobs that Americans refuse to do, please note the following excerpt from the article entitled "Americans Que for Jobs at Raided Plant" dated 9/8/2008:

    "Two weeks ago Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raided the Howard Industries Plant in Laurel, Mississippi and apprehended more than 600 suspected illegal workers. Many of those workers have been deemed ineligible to work in the United States and HUNDREDS OF LOCAL RESIDENTS are applying for those positions." (Emphasis added)

    You might want to check your facts before spouting the false claim that illegals only do jobs that Americans won't do. If that is the case, then why are Mexican truck drivers being allowed to drive in our country? We have Americans that want to drive trucks & many unemployed turning to truck driving. I encourage people to visit NumbersUSA and ALIPAC websites.

  • InSearchofTruth
    March 16, 2009 6:34 p.m.

    This post is addressed to HA,HA,HA and all others who believe the lie that illegal immigrants only do jobs that Americans will not do. If you search the internet on ICE raids of Howard Industries Plant in Laurel, Mississippi (that produces electrical transformers) in which more than 600 illegal workers were apprehended, you find that 100s of American workers were lined up for those newly available jobs. What about the 59 illegals who made parachutes for the U.S. armed forces at the Mills Manufacturing Corp. in Woodfin, North Carolina?

  • ...
    March 16, 2009 6:01 a.m.

    These states are NOTHING without Immigrants. Every state would crumble into pieces without the help from immigrants, Especially little ole Utah. I hope they do pass the law in utah so that they can see what a big mistake they made. utah is bad as it is. Immigrants contribute millions of dollars. Why do you think they keep postponing the damn bills??? These people in office are not stupid. Hate it or love it, Immigrants are here to stay!

  • mary
    March 16, 2009 12:20 a.m.

    hi Bill, i think you should think twice and remenber where you come from, or actually where your ancestors come from they were immigrants. Then the ILLEGAL people(thats how you like to call them) are not in this country because the nice weather or the beaches THEY ARE HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A BETTER LIFE. please do you think they are happy to leave their families and friends in order to come here. they are just trying to work hard and save enough money an then go back their countries.

  • Glory
    March 14, 2009 11:51 p.m.

    It is ridiculous many comments. and When someone talked about the make of america nobody answer.. Only a person who dont know nothing about history ... it is the past of course but it doesnt meant that did not happen. We took over this country and killed all the indians , that is the power of our citizeship we became American because of that. Why we can accept this fact. This is a racist state I was wondering if this is related to religion... I know that the true Christian doesnt act like you. Of course that you can give me the Article of faith but what about the whole bibly and the book of Mormon. Dont talk about religion maybe will be your answer but how you can separate the spiritual things, all are related. It doesnt matter but you know what we will lose more that jobs for our racist feelings...

  • AshleyB
    March 13, 2009 10:57 p.m.

    Excuse you! Illegals have jobs that americans do not want to do! I wabba see an american get down on her/his knees and clean a toilet! I do agree that they should throw out the illegals that have done high criminal stuff, though. I really hope this law does not happen.

  • Ben
    March 6, 2009 6:53 p.m.

    We wouldn't "need" 12 million illegals if we hadn't aborted 49 million Americans since 1973.

  • Richard Rend San Diego
    March 6, 2009 3:15 p.m.

    Taken from The Los Angeles Times
    Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 37% are on welfare.
    Over 73% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York) results from illegal immigration.
    34% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens. Over 350,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages. Nearly 70% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers. 96% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens. These facts were taken right out of the Los Angeles Times - Now who want's to tell me that Illegal Aliens are not impacting America Negativly.

  • They are not community leaders
    March 6, 2009 10:06 a.m.

    I wish these so called communtiy leaders would get their act together and admit the truth, these illegal are not citizens of america or the community. Just because they belong to their faith does not make them americans or deserve and social considerations. Our sympathy is with the american people, not illegal aliens and I wish this gut would keep his mouth shut and stop infering the americn people give a damn about the illegals. We want them out of the country, not in hiding behind religious organizations who think they have a voice in government business. We americans have no sympathy for illegal aliens who are all criminals and actively robbing the american people of needed services. He should be helping them to return home and take their illegal offspring with them and not allow them to abandon their children as unfit parents. Illegals are unfit to be americans and unfit to even be given any sympathy as illegal aliens and illegal foreign nationals. PS-Illegals are not immigrants, they are criminals who forced their way across our sacred borders.

  • Wondering
    March 5, 2009 9:58 a.m.

    Where is the support from the LDS church to all this illegals members?, or they just are good to reclute new members for the tithe? Because mostly of those legislators are mormons, Inclusive the one was raised on Casas Grandes, Chihuahua Mexico. Ha Mr H... So, where the compassion that they go proclaiming?
    I'm sorry, I forgot that the church doesn't intervene on politic. MMMMM, but still can patronize some bills to discrimite to "different people (gays?)" even in another state.

    This is my testimony and I'm leavinnig it in...

  • Kelly
    March 5, 2009 9:32 a.m.

    The key word is ILLEGAL! Sure we all started out as immigrants but eventually became US citizens became LEGAL! Most of the people do not want to become citizens of the US! Why should they when they get everything given to them free medical which we all pay for when we go to the doctor, food stamps etc! We need to do something now it is way over due, we wouldn't be in this state if something would have been done when they knew they started coming into the country years ago! Take a good look at California, gangs, foreclosure, can you tell me that they are not part of the problem. Come get a loan leave the house and go back to Mexico or move on to another state then rip them off too! Immigration reform needs to happen today not yesterday!

  • Geronimo
    March 5, 2009 8:55 a.m.

    Just a quote:
    "America would not be in the mess it is in today if the Indians had had stricter immigration laws"-Chief Oshkosh.

  • Light
    March 5, 2009 8:46 a.m.

    Why does the LDS Church leaders remain silence on this topic? Are they really "Christians"? Because if they were, they would be against laws that damage the dignity of human beings. If they are really called Christians, they have the obligation to speak loudly in favor of these people. Read and reflect on Mt 25, 31-46

  • none
    March 5, 2009 12:31 a.m.

    This is for Bravo, makes me laugh when you say now you can find a job, that is because you are so stupid and useless that nobody would hire you UNLESS noboby around take that job, Ha stupid xenofobic.

    March 4, 2009 4:19 p.m.

    Now maybe me and my son can get some work...send them all back!! We don't need them working at McDonalds or Carls Jrs. acting arrogant and as if they have forefathers who died for this country. Right is Right , no gray, do it the right way otherwise you mock the system which i see everyday..from the shelter, drugs, overcrowding...welfare system, it seems to be a custom to rush to the front of the line..wheter at the shelter, western union or social services always pushing the real , legal, actually born here American out of the way!! Enough is Enough...if went to Mexico and tried that , they'd put me in some slammer and make me pay for my own food. These never had it so good at other's expense!! NO MORE...GO HOME AND HELP YOUR COUNTRY...don't tread on me!!

  • Sean
    March 4, 2009 2:43 p.m.

    Go to and sign-up it's free and it informs you of how to fax and call senators to stop Illegal Immigration. I been using them for years and they are great go today and help the fight.

  • RE Patriot
    March 4, 2009 9:58 a.m.

    has a racial Beef.. i'm sure he lives in west valley city

  • History lesson
    March 4, 2009 9:51 a.m.

    You know the Mormon's the rest of the story.
    We fought Mexico in 1846-48. They lost, in part because Santa Ana was a corrupt Mexican politician.
    We signed the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and paid Mexico $15 million for the land.
    Now, if Mexico wants to mount an army and take it back, that's how war is fought.
    The Aztlan bunch are smokin' some primo weed if they believe the Southwest still belongs to Mexico.

  • C.w.
    March 4, 2009 9:19 a.m.

    State lawmakers sit around and wonder why they can't BALANCE their Budget, and here's all the illegals getting free govt. assistance. The FIRST thing that SHOULD have been done at the start of this session is GETTING RID of all the illegals. It would a)reduce class sizes, b)give Utahns some confidence in their elected officials, c)open up MORE jobs for UTAHNS who need them.
    There is no such thing as a job that Utahns won't do.
    There is such a thing as Utah employers taking advantage of illegals, and they should be fined very heavily for doing so.
    BUT, our lawmakers need to "step up to the plate" and protect Utah jobs for Utah workers.
    What is particularly frustrating about the Demos attitude on this, is that support of the illegals is a slap in the face to lower income families who NEED the jobs the illegals are taking, someone the Demos pretend to represent!

  • Johnny Bravo
    March 4, 2009 12:34 a.m.

    *** Most of these immigrants would not be "illegals" if the States just did not make it so difficult to be "legal". ***

    So are you suggesting that *anyone* who wants to come here should be able to come, with no limit on numbers? 2 million, 10 million, 100 million, no problem? Are you really prepared to live with the consequences of your so-called principles?

    *** The economic repercussions alone will show us what a depression truly is as a mass exodus of illegal immigrants, who represent a necessary cog in our erroneously founded economy, exit our state. ***

    People here illegally add almost nothing to our net economic output. The jobs they currently fill can be filled by Americans, especially teenagers and low-skilled workers, who will have less dependence on borrowing (for college students) and welfare.

    America already has one of the highest percentages of unskilled workers of any developed country. We don't need more. We need less.

  • Anonymous
    March 4, 2009 12:14 a.m.

    *** "The State of Utah actually sits in what used to be Mexico. So let me ask you, who is really the immigrant here?" ***

    How many Mexicans were actually living here when the United States "stole" it? The 1850 census shows about 11,000 people, nearly all of them English-speaking Mormons from the US.

    Same goes for all the other territory we allegedly stole. The total census population for the 4 states (California, Utah, Nevada, Arizona) formed from the former Mexican territories totalled less than 170,000 people, less than half of whom spoke Spanish or had any loyalties to Mexico.

  • RE:A Better Solution
    March 4, 2009 12:11 a.m.

    We have laws, they are not being enforced right now for some reason. We have quota's that limit immigration to 7% from one country per year. Illegals ignore this law and feel they should write our immigration laws for us, allowing 57% from one country per year.

    As long as people ignore our laws, including Chamber of Commerce, employers, religious leaders and governors, we are going to have this problem. We need to take our immigration laws back, by enforcing them.

    The US has 12-20 million illegals here now, they are taking the place/jobs of legal immigrants who can't come because we are over capacity.

    Google Mexico's immigration laws. They protect their citizens jobs.

  • ID Theft
    March 3, 2009 10:57 p.m.

    easy fix .. provide a viable way to get legit paperwork SOLVED

  • Realist
    March 3, 2009 10:49 p.m.

    Of course the ideal situation would be for every person in this country to live and work here legally. Lamentably, those who possess power, authority and money in this country, and others, have allowed our current situation to occur because it benefits them. Of course those who are here illegaly and their families as well as the typical United States Citizen are hurt by this arrangement. The ways in which all of these parties are injured is innumerable and spans the the gamut of social,economic and every other ill that can fall upon a society.

    We should proceed with all haste for an equitable system for all of the involved parties. The present plan outlined in HB81 is a grave mistake. The economic repercussions alone will show us what a depression truly is as a mass exodus of illegal immigrants, who represent a necessary cog in our erroneously founded economy, exit our state.

  • A Better Solution
    March 3, 2009 7:51 p.m.

    Most of these immigrants would not be "illegals" if the States just did not make it so difficult to be "legal". The United States has always been about taking in those who want a better life, so why is it such a problem that these individuals are coming? And all of this talk about I.D. theft and crime speaks of ignorance on the part of white U.S. citizens. While some of these immigrants do participate in crime, they make up a very small percentage. Most of the immigrants are good, hardworking people just trying to make life better for their children. Why not try to stop all of the crime that legal U.S. citizens are participating in instead? There is a whole lot more of that going on.

  • Let's not be blind
    March 3, 2009 6:59 p.m.

    I am an American citizen and immigration activist. If you think about it, that is how our ancestors came to America, they had no Visa and no citizenship. Why did they come? because they could have a better life here. What did they do? they killed off indians, stole their land, and kicked them into indian reservations. Now an "illegal alien" takes the job as a custodian at your office and you complain about it? come on, get a life!
    Where your butt is sitting right now used to be those "illegal criminal's" land. Nobody is taking the job you wanted as a custodian, trust me.
    "PATRIOT 5:33" Swallow your pride and be a man. Do you think you make your statement stronger by calling their kids bastards? They are citizens already. Just like your ancestors became citizens for being born here. Immigrants actually make the economy better, since they don't take anything from the government like you lazy butts. They work more for less, and still pay taxes.
    Give them a break!

  • Legal Citizen
    March 3, 2009 6:42 p.m.

    I would hope that everyone that is a LEGAL CITIZEN of the USA would Oppose Guestworker Legislation! Please contact your Congressmen and ask them to oppose SCR 1! Why is the legislature considering a guestworker program, which would bring in more foreign workers, during a period of high unemployment? There is no justification for this. They should be helping to ensure that jobs held by illegal aliens are reserved for unemployed citizens and legal residents.

    Utah does not need to satisfy business appetite for cheap labor with a guestworker program that keeps Utahns unemployed or drives down their wages.

    There is no reason to believe that guestworker procedure for ensuring that citizens or legal residents have job precedence over foreign workers will work any better than the sham procedures used under current federal guestworker programs. Do not make it harder for unemployed Americans to find jobs!

    Please get involved and save JOBS for the LEGAL CITIZENS!!!

    If you fall for this rhetoric, you'll fall for anything the politicans throw out to us! As Americans, we must stand up for our rights and fight.

  • Think about it
    March 3, 2009 6:01 p.m.

    I am an american citizen who fights for immigrant issues. If you think about it, that is how our ancestors came to America, they had no Visa and no citizenship. Why did they come? because they could have a better life here. What did they do? they killed off indians, stole their land, and kicked them into indian reservations. Now an "illegal alien" takes the job as a custodian at your office and you complain about it? come on, get a life!
    Where your butt is sitting right now used to be those "illegal criminal's" land. Nobody is taking the job you wanted as a custodian, trust me.
    "PATRIOT 5:33" The only bastard around here is you. Swallow your pride and be a man. Do you think you make your statement stronger by calling their kids bastards? They are citizens already, moron. Just like your ancestors became citizens for being born here. Immigrants actually make the economy better, since they don't take anything from the government like you lazy butts. They work more for less, and still pay taxes.
    Give them a break!

  • American Man
    March 3, 2009 6:00 p.m.

    Vote this guy out of office at all costs. Start now and get rid of him and keep track of all whom aide illegals. Remove those who violate their oath of office and the constitution of the United States. Sen. Pat Jones, D-Holladay, needs to go, and soon!

  • Patriot
    March 3, 2009 5:33 p.m.

    10 million Americans looking for a Job

    7 million employed Illegals in America.

    1 trillion spent by Obama to supposedly create 3 million jobs. Illegals included!!!

    500,000 Americans losing their job every month.

    1.5 million immigrants admitted to the U.S. every year. More than every other country on earth combined. Do the math and see what our population will by by 2050. (1/2 billion)

    Illegals Kill 20,000 Americans in one year...more than the Iraq war did in 6years.

    Birthright citizenship, paid maternity, food stamps, Housing medical care for 18 years. No other developed country on earth gives Birthright citizenship to Illegal invaders.

    Billions spent by both the Federal government and State government on Education, Healthcare, Welfare for illegals and their bastard citizen children.

    Wages driven down in every industry that illegals are allowed to invade and gain critical mass.

    Utah wants to spend 1.5 million to insure only legal residents get jobs.

    Sounds like a good plan to me!!! Sounds very cost effective!

  • Something wrong...
    March 3, 2009 4:52 p.m.

    All this hate directed at the workers and employers are given a free pass?

    Sounds like a coward that will only pick on the weak and avoid the strong.

    There is something wrong with this...

  • PO'd
    March 3, 2009 4:32 p.m.

    I want every traitorous politician that thinks they can represent the racist LA RAZA crowd, or the corrupt big business lobby over their own constituents, to know that we the people are finally on to what's going on in our country and our state.

    WE ARE WATCHING how you vote, and we will VOTE YOU OUT OF OFFICE if you do not do your jobs and stop the hostile invasion of illegals and gangbangers from mexico that is squatting here and ruining our state.

    The primary responsibility of the government is to protect the homeland from hostile invasion. It's about time you started doing your jobs and start enforcing the laws that are on the books. Send the illegals packing.

    ENACT SB81 NOW!!!!

  • TwIsTeD sTaTe
    March 3, 2009 4:18 p.m.

    Utah is a pitiful state.

  • hmmm...
    March 3, 2009 4:13 p.m.

    Its interesting to note how many people here are furious because they feel that illegals are taking their jobs. I wonder why. It sure cant be because these "ignorant aliens" are much more qualified and hardworking. It must not be because they are much less demanding on employers. And for sure it isn't because they can do twice the work for half the pay. How can it be for those reasons? We citizens are far superior than they. Besides all they can do is be criminals and steal identities. But, I wonder how they get a hold of those identities. they sure cant get it from U.S. citizens that work in Licensing centers and other locations where they receive valuable information on others. Those citizens wouldn't sell those identities at whopping rates to illegals. Naw...citizens are too honest. it can't be.
    I dont think this is an immigration issue. I feel its an understanding issue. I feel its an envy issue. I feel The problem is not them, its us.

  • Provo Dad
    March 3, 2009 4:06 p.m.

    We need to watch our elected officials and vote any that don't support SB81 out of office...They need to see that we the people mean business we have spoken on this issue, and we will vote those that go against our wishes out of office! LET SB81 take Effect This Year!

  • jobs
    March 3, 2009 4:00 p.m.

    12 million illegals, that's a heck of a lot of jobs that could fill the 7% unemployment rate, and rising. We are paying 800 billion dollars to create 1.5 million jobs. Spend a tenth of that and secure the boards and crack down on illegals and we might solve our unemployment and recession problems.

    People say that they take jobs that no one else wants. As any unemployed construction worker right now and he would tell he he'd love the jobs they are working.

  • Jobs
    March 3, 2009 3:55 p.m.

    I think we need to give the citizens a chance at the jobs that illegal aliens take. I think there are a lot of people out there that are willing to do work they weren't willing to do a year ago. I've contracted what I would assume were illegal, in the past, and now I have a ton of people that are citizens applying for the same jobs. Sad but true, the citizens aren't that exciting to me after having people that were willing to work hard for their pay and didn't act like I owe them everything. But there is a great cost to society, far more then a couple million dollars for having them here. If half of them went home we might be surprised that hundreds of millions are saved due to health care, education, police, insurance costs etc.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 3:38 p.m.

    Based on many of the comments here, undocumented workers are the source of all ID theft, organized crime, and even our bankrupt government. Brilliant! Label a group that is different from yourself as "illegal aliens" and then blame all our woes on them!

    This is a wonderful tactic, and one I am all for. It's certainly much easier to blame the "others" than to address pesky details like data security issues, since only those illegals steal identities. Furthermore, with this tactic, we now don't have to worry about fraud like Bernard Madoff's (that last name sounds foreign to me!), corporate greed in predatory lending, government waste, and corruption.

    I agree, round up all the non-Caucasians and send them all home. . . the only problem with that idea is. . . who will we be able to blame once they're all gone?

  • Ilegal Aliens
    March 3, 2009 3:23 p.m.

    Fascinating how we dehumanized other human beings to make it easy for us to hurt them. Illegal Aliens, are fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters. They are people with a story just like you and I.
    The U. S. economy needs them. Otherwise, we would have closed the borders a long time ago. The government put up this show and politicians exploit these nationalistic and ethnocentrist feelings in time of economic duress, so, all "patriots" can feel good about themselves by demanding to expel those souls who came to this country looking for a better future; just as your ancestors!
    Too bad that these patriots are so ignorant, that they don't recall that in the 1980's the US began intevening and destroying the structure of the societies in Central America promoting the biggest wave of Latin American immigration to the U.S.
    Please, continue screaming for deportation. Next, you will be screaming for blood.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 3:10 p.m.

    @Xavier Onassis
    Don't twist the issue. The article is on immigration legislation, not religion. . . duh.

  • lost in DC
    March 3, 2009 3:00 p.m.

    Kurt, that poem you quote is right across the water from Ellis Island, you know, where they processed LEGAL immigrants. I think you'll find most commenters here have no problem with legal immigrants.

  • Xavier Onassis
    March 3, 2009 2:19 p.m.

    Doesn't one of the Mormon Articles of Faith say that they believe in honoring and obeying the law? When did that change?

  • Whats his name?
    March 3, 2009 2:06 p.m.

    "The head of an LDS outreach group." The other people addressing the reps had names, but not the LDS outreach group leader. Not very professional of the Deseret News.
    And did this person speak for the church? I have kept quiet among my fellow-saints when it comes to this issue. It doesn't seem fair.

  • Michaelitos
    March 3, 2009 1:27 p.m.

    Our economy is in tatters. The budget is still in a deficit position. Unemployment is rising. . . This is the time you pick to try and get a handle on illegal immigration?

    What is wrong with our legislators? I am a conservative republican, but how blind to the real problems can they be up on Capitol Hill?

    Now is not the time to be wasting money that could be balancing the budget on some fruitless search for undocumented workers. Now is not the time to do more harm to an already shaky and crumbling economy. No, now is not the time for ideology, but for action, action that will help the economy.

    And for those of you who still think that Mexicans are immigrating in mass quantity, how many new houses are being constructed in your area? Think about. We're all hurting right now. Let's fix the essential (the economy) before trying to tackle the ancillary.

  • kurt
    March 3, 2009 1:22 p.m.

    are we not all immigrants, I think we need to make it easier for people to immigrate. This country is based on that concept do i believe they should take advantage of our social programs heck no but if you can make them a productive adult in our society then they should have every right to take advantage of this great country."GIVE ME YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR, YOUR HUDDLED MASSES YEARNING TO BREATHE FREE,THE WRETCHED REFUSE OF YOUR TEEMING SHORE, SEND THESE, THE HOMELESS,TEMPEST-TOSS TO ME, I LIFT MY LAMP BESIDE THE GOLDEN DOOR!"

  • Mike
    March 3, 2009 1:07 p.m.

    The "...they do jobs Americans don't want to do" is entirely bogus.

    And I'm still waiting for the pro-immigrant violators to explain why Illegal isn't Illegal. Anyone?

    To 9:10 a.m. Why don't you do you own landscaping?

    And yes, we CAN round up the millions of Illegals and send them home.

  • Thanh
    March 3, 2009 11:46 a.m.

    I have interviewed with Mexican's newspaper, a lot of small towns in Mexico nowaday can not find male labors, mainly just women and childrens left,
    why, because they all went to USA where they can have free "amegency healthcare", food.

  • CA
    March 3, 2009 11:39 a.m.

    Why ILLEGAL means people from Mexico, there's immigrants from Asia, Europe, etc... that they are "illegal" too.
    I agree totally with Ha,Ha,Ha, they are doing the jobs americans don't want to do, and the "american jobs" are sent outside. Also we prefer to live in food stamps than cleaning rooms, make hamburgers, clean offices.

  • Confused
    March 3, 2009 11:31 a.m.

    I don't understand the argument that there are jobs so undignified, that we must import an underclass of people to do that work. If that's what you really believe and you feel that uneducated Latinos from Mexico and other South American countries are the only ones fit for that work, perhaps you should examine your own personal racist views.

    In my opinion, receiving honest pay for honest work is fine regardless of the job. Based on peoples circumstances some jobs may be more appropriate. For example, it would be difficult for the father of a large family to earn enough money at McDondalds to support his family, but that is a perfect starter job for a teenager in high school.

    During my own work history I've spent time doing work that the pro-illegal alien lobby has identified as jobs Americans won't do. I've picked fruit in the summer, cleaned up bathrooms and movie theaters, de-greased the exhaust pipes above a burger grill, etc... Each job was done at an appropriate stage of my life and helped prepare me for my current professional job.

  • Stewart
    March 3, 2009 11:25 a.m.

    If you took the time to attend or listen to the hearing you would see that Sen Jones had gone to a great deal of effort to stack the committee hearing in favor of illegal immigration, even having about 6 testify during her presentation. Then after about 5 more citizens there was only time for two citizens to speak in opposition.

    This was a tie vote but a win for those that oppose illegal immigration enablers such as Isabel Rojas. During her testimony and that of Sen. Jones they seem to have forgotten that the Jenkins Amendment had already given the legislature a year to study this bill. They held hearings around the state and so SB113 is just another delay tactic. (note to his credit Sen Jenkins opposed 113) her tactic is just more delay!

    Rojas also described the 287g program as a cross deputizing of the police. That is false, it is voluntary under SB81 and there are no funds to implement it. It only provides more of a data base and training for departments that wish to use it to determine the immigration status of those in their jails. She totally misrepresented (lied) about this program.

  • Paul
    March 3, 2009 11:17 a.m.

    Looks like we got a good list of organizations that need to be watched and avoided. They obviously are more concerned about the illegals than they are about US citizens. Hopefully people will keep that in mind before donating to them.

  • Steve
    March 3, 2009 11:04 a.m.

    Clearly, Isabel Rojas is confused and needs some education on the meaning of Immigrant, Refugee, and Illegal Immigrant. When she says . . . this bill seems not representative of community needs. We know which community she is referring to the community of parasite criminal invaders and the community of business owners who violate multiple laws by employing them. We need strict enforcement of existing laws, yesterday, before theres nothing left of America.

  • me
    March 3, 2009 11:03 a.m.

    Stupid is as stupid let's be done to them!

  • Do not delay
    March 3, 2009 11:00 a.m.

    Illegal immigration distorts the free market. Certain business owners profit at the expense of rank-and-file taxpayers and other businesses who comply with immigration law. This bill would have been interesting if it had attempted to take into account all the external costs of illegal immigration such as medical care, education, law enforcement and other public services. But we all know it just would have amounted to rationalization. It would have served the purposes of special interest groups who benefit from the status quo. We're a nation at a critical juncture. And it seems reckless to allow millions of Mexico's most desperate citizens nominate themselves as the immigrant future of this country. Kudos to the legislators who opposed this, despite the very vocal minority.

  • To comment at 9:10 a.m.
    March 3, 2009 10:34 a.m.

    Is it worth I.D. theft, gang violence, and a bankrupt government so that you can get your lawn mowed?

  • HA,HA,HA
    March 3, 2009 10:26 a.m.

    You said" THEY HAVE THE AMERICAN JOBS". Sorry my friend "that is not truth" they have jobs that the AMERICANS dont want to do, clean the bathroom, make the hamburger, landscaping, warehouse FOR A LOT LESS MONEY!!!

    The AMERICAN JOBS are sent to India, like mine, we paid from our taxes to the big companies and they still sending OUR JOBS overseas!!! that is truth!!!

    Inmigration laws in this country are useless, there is more than 40 million illegal people here, sending thousands here or thousands there home IS NOT GOING TO WORK.

    We need to work together, like it or not!!!

  • lost in DC
    March 3, 2009 10:12 a.m.

    Sally 12:17 - you're saying the cost should prevent us from enforcing SB81? How much do we spend each year on the Highway Partol or other state agencies to enforce laws? Are you saying we shouldn't enforce any laws that will cost money?

    Utah 9:12, through the treaty of Gudalupe-Hidalgo, we paid (in part) for this territory. Many will argue whether that treaty, and the war it ended, were just, but that is water under the bridge. Besides, any "shortfall" left from the treaty has since been more than made up for by the costs of the social services illegal Mexicans have extracted from us.

    It's about time we started to enforce SB81. We've been wating for the feds to do something for 20 years, and they've done nothing and will continue to do nothing. Waiting for the feds is not the answer.

  • Illegal
    March 3, 2009 10:09 a.m.

    What part of illegal don't these bleeding heart liberals understand. The area I live is having a cultural change because of the gutless politicians. Signs are becoming more and more Spanish.

  • J.Hillen
    March 3, 2009 9:25 a.m.

    In an overflowing room,among all the pro illegal immigration advocates,stood two objectors.

    They spoke concisely about two subjects. I.D. theft and how it affects your children. Organized crime and the effect it has on Utah, illegal aliens, the funding of the war in Mexico.

    Reminicent of an April day in 1775, when farmers stood against the British army.

  • Utah
    March 3, 2009 9:12 a.m.

    The State of Utah actually sits in what used to be Mexico. So let me ask you, who is really the immigrant here?

  • To Delaware Bob
    March 3, 2009 9:10 a.m.

    If you are interested in landscaping my yard, let me know. I have some day labor I need!

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 9:08 a.m.

    People can do alot themselves, and not wait for these politicians to do something. Immigration is a phone call away. If everyone makes the calls, turns employers in for hiring these illegals, people will start to listen. Make some calls people and lets do something about it.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 9:02 a.m.

    Lets do something about it before the phones at Immigration ring off the hook from people that are demanding action. People can actually do something themselves !!! Call immigration on the people involved in harboring illigals. Or just pass the word on to the employers that people are going to be calling and turning them in. We all can take it out of the politicians and handle it ourselves. If the employer and other people know they are being watched, they might think more clearer. Its 1 phone call away. MAKE THE CALLS !!!!!!

  • pat b
    March 3, 2009 8:02 a.m.

    why do we keep electing representatives that run away from their responsibilities? illegal means illegal.

  • Love Thy Neighbor
    March 3, 2009 7:56 a.m.

    Love Thy Neighbor, regarless of any consideration. there is no Love Thy Neighbor (only if...). Remember when our own people was discriminated. Remember when we have to move outside of the United States to another country to have a better life, becuase some people in the U.S. did not like us, jus because of our religion?

  • People in the Obama Administrati
    March 3, 2009 7:10 a.m.

    Administrati are "very interested in talking about" immigration??? That's your proof that something is imminent? That's ridiculus, I'm sure that was the response to concerns anyone brought to them. Sound sympathetic while promising nothing, that is what any politician will do.

  • Ash
    March 3, 2009 6:48 a.m.

    Why aren't you people getting it that someday you will have to implement immigration bill then why not today? What are you waiting for? Or you are playing with the hearts of American people? Either implement the law or erase it totally from the history of America.
    This is the perfect time to take any actions, don't use this issue to gain votes during elections. If you really are interested to do something then show us. DO SOMETHING.

  • Delaware Bob
    March 3, 2009 6:26 a.m.

    "...Obama administration more time to enact reform was the best move for Utah right now."

    WRONG! Now is the perfect time to get rid of the ILLEGAL ALIENS so Americans can have the jobs.

    Other States will be passing State Illegal Immigration Laws and you just made yourself a magnet for the ILLEGAL ALIENS. I guess UTAH has a lot of money to keep the ILLEGAL ALIENS.

    Well, better luck next time.

  • Bill
    March 3, 2009 6:25 a.m.

    Is it not time for ILLEGAL to mean ILLEGAL!!! Where does this Catholic Bishop get the idea that we,citizens of the United States of America, have to accept his definition of ILLEGAL? The majority of the ILLEGALS are of the Roman Catholic church and only serve his church's asperations. Why don't we give him a free ride to one of these southern countries, so he can spend his life working for the people that he favors? ILLEGAL is ILLEGAL Bishop!

  • Sally
    March 3, 2009 12:17 a.m.

    The legislators (Dayton, Bramble, Jenkins) don't care about Utahn's citizens going hungry because they won't have a job, shelter for their families, and the services that will be taken away because they want to spend $1.8 million on a bill that will cost the State millions in legal battles. Let's get them out of office as they don't represent or care for the citizens of our state.