Bob Bernick Jr.: Huntsman's timing on Common Ground curious

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  • Larry M
    Feb. 14, 2009 8:25 a.m.

    "Many Utahns...see tents for another purpose to house illegal aliens". Seriously Deseret News, what does that even mean? How is this one sentence even relevant to the story? It sticks out like a sore immigrant-bashing thumb.

  • Don't accept sexual perversion
    Feb. 14, 2009 7:36 a.m.

    No law should recognise sodomy as an acceptable 'lifestyle'.

    Typically Huntsman has pleased liberals much more than conservatives. This is just more of the same. I feel he has betrayed us yet again.

    I hope we can get a conservative governor one of these days.

  • james
    Feb. 13, 2009 9:33 p.m.

    good timing or bad timing,
    I applaud Governor Huntsman efforts to protect the rights of Utah citizens...especially during this critical time.

    Mr. Huntsman, Thank you! Thank you! Wish that more Utah Republicans respected human rights.

  • What
    Feb. 13, 2009 5:43 p.m.

    does the governor now thinks about the picture in this issue of the DN showing the gay couples trying to get marriage licenses?

  • re: 7:43
    Feb. 13, 2009 5:23 p.m.

    "...Now that you've caught onto it, you feel just fine using this same technique you complain about the Right using?"

    You bet!

    If you turn the other cheek with neocons - they'll kick you in the [bleep]

    Sometimes you have no other recourse than fight fire with fire.

    Party's over neocons.

  • Too "Breaking laws | 4:26 p.m."
    Feb. 13, 2009 5:07 p.m.

    Breaking laws | 4:26 p.m.

    What laws are we breaking?

  • Breaking laws
    Feb. 13, 2009 4:26 p.m.

    What next in Utah? Can't you people stay out of trouble with the Law.

  • Hey Greg!
    Feb. 13, 2009 4:08 p.m.

    No more hanging out with Michael Phelps!
    Mike in Sandy

  • re: magnus
    Feb. 13, 2009 3:09 p.m.

    "...All people should be equal under the Law of our country and states if they have obeyed that law."

    So then are we to expect Mormon Mitt Romney to reverse the law on legal civil unions in Massachussetts?

  • Too "Anonymous | 7:43 a.m."
    Feb. 13, 2009 2:56 p.m.

    Anonymous | 7:43 a.m.

    So... You admit you were projecting YOUR opinion into Gov Hunsman's head when you said, "He knows America is sick to death of far-right lunatic Limbaughites clamoring for Civil War"?

    How do YOU know what Gov Hunsman is thinking?
    And how does it coincidentally mesh so well with YOUR rhetoric?

    And you admit to what you were doing but think it's OK because Neocons did it first? In YOUR words, "This is what the far-right in Utah has been doing for years. And they don't think people have caught on to it".

    Sooo... Now that you've caught onto it, you feel just fine using this same technique you complain about the Right using?

    How does that make sense? If it's bad for them to do it, it's equally bad for YOU to do it. Or do you have a special indulgence that allows YOU to do all the things you find abhorant in the right?

  • To Greg
    Feb. 13, 2009 2:47 p.m.

    Every day, I look to this paper to publish either a letter or comment that cracks me up and makes my day.
    Thank you Greg, posting above at 12:17, for being that person today.

    Ever try Stand-Up?

    Your kind of thinking provides comedy like no other.
    Let me buy you a beer.

    Michael on Wasatch

  • To Greg
    Feb. 13, 2009 2:43 p.m.

    No, it is not a choice to be gay, just like in YOUR case, it is not a choice that you are brain dead.
    It is not "overcomeable".
    Where do you get your facts? Comic books? Fairy tales?
    (And I'll refrain from going any farther with the "Fairy Tales")
    Your head is so deeply buried in your book, that you have no grasp of reality.
    You should seek some professional assistance here.

  • @ "Anonymous | 1:50 p.m."
    Feb. 13, 2009 2:34 p.m.

    Anonymous | 1:50 p.m.

    I said right in my posting that I WAS NOT COMPARING THE 2!

    Can you read?

    IF you can read... What was my point?

    The point was... That there are things we carnal people do that God neither loves nor embraces.

  • magnus
    Feb. 13, 2009 2:28 p.m.

    "God is everything
    and everything is God"

    Oh I understand, I understand that you are trying to act like your version of mystisizm is somehow less abstract or more logical than my belief in the God of Israel.

    Ya, sure...

    I am absolutely opposed to Gay Marraige, and according to my faith and beliefs any Sexual relationship outside of a married man and woman is not only a sin but also unhealthy.

    But lets be honest here, gays don't want mairrage to be married, they want it to be equal. They want it so they gan get the same tax breaks and privelages and benefits that married people do.

    All people should be equal under the Law of our country and states if they have obeyed that law.

    To me the thing that needs to happen is that instead of redefining the current maraige laws the Govornment needs to get out of the marraige buisness all together. Take the Libertarian track, just stop regulating it, and stop writing legislation based on it. Let people to be free to act by the dictates of their concious with regards to their families and personal lives.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2009 2:10 p.m.

    This sticking their noses into the private lives of others and demanding government intervention over it isn't going away for these sad individuals.
    I don't know when I've ever felt sorrier for this group of people.

  • Sorry Greg
    Feb. 13, 2009 2:09 p.m.

    For their absolutely UN-Christian approach, Ruzicka, Buttars, the Sutherland institute will drag all of their ilk to hell right behind them, unfortunately not soon enough.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2009 2:03 p.m.

    Way to go Governor!
    Slap some sense into those terrible people known as neocons!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2009 1:50 p.m.

    "So... God loves murder?"

    Leave it to a self-righteous neocon to compare same-sex unions with murder.

    But that's how their minds function.

  • @ "12:28 p.m"
    Feb. 13, 2009 1:26 p.m.

    12:28 p.m

    You say, "If homosexual relations are sinful, sexual relations for pleasure only is a sinful".

    You make the assumption that the 12:17 commenter only objected to homosexual relations because they are totally unrelated to procreation. That may be a totally wrong assumption.

    12:17 could also be thinking homosexual relations are sinful just based on the nature of the sex acts involved (using parts of the body for functions they were totally not intended for).

    Hope this is gentle enough to get posted. I'm trying to be as vague as possible and still communicate.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2009 1:16 p.m.

    God IS everything.
    Everything IS God.

    Something neocons don't seem to get.

  • Re "12:17 p.m."
    Feb. 13, 2009 1:04 p.m.

    12:17 p.m.

    So... God loves murder?

    I'm not equating the two, I'm just pointing out that broad statements like, "God loves everyone and everything", are usually not exactly true.

    There are LOTS of things we carnal humans do on earth that God doesn't love and embrace.

  • Kevin
    Feb. 13, 2009 12:45 p.m.

    Mr. Bernick's analysis is very interesting indeed.

  • @re: 12:17
    Feb. 13, 2009 12:44 p.m.


  • re: 12:17
    Feb. 13, 2009 12:28 p.m.

    "...homosexual relations are sinful"

    That is the same as saying sexual relations for pleasure only is a sin.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2009 12:24 p.m.

    Judge not lest YE judged.
    (emphasis on YE)
    That's a pretty clear warning from God it seems to me.

  • re re: 9,43
    Feb. 13, 2009 12:17 p.m.

    "God loves everyone and everything."

    I agree with the "everyone" part, but God does not love "everything." (See Proverbs 6) That would mean that God loved good and evil, which isn't the case. God only loves that which is good, uplifting, holy, and true. It is precisely because he does love "everyone" that he doesn't love "everything."

    The fundamental problem in our world today is that people try to make God into a changeable being to suit their own desires and purposes. "They seek not the Lord to establish his righteousness, but every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world . . . ." (D&C 1:16.)

    Let us not walk in our "own way" and be subject to the lament that "ye have sought all the days of your lives for that which ye could not obtain; and ye have sought for happiness in doing iniquity, which thing is contrary to the nature of that righteousness which is in our great and Eternal Head." (Hel. 13:38.)

    The unvarnished truth is that homosexual relations are sinful and will not lead to happiness.

  • @re: 9;43
    Feb. 13, 2009 12:01 p.m.

    Better read your Bible a bit more closely. God loves all of us inspite of our sins. It is our sins He can not tolerate.

    Those who justify whatever they do as good because it is what they do are those who make your kind of argument.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2009 11:53 a.m.

    Way to go Huntsman!

    Anything that can be done to draw attention to the nasty far-right neocons of Utah is a plus!

  • re: 9;43
    Feb. 13, 2009 11:40 a.m.

    "God consideres homosexuality a sin"

    Don't be absurd.

    God loves everyone and everything.

    It is only man who embraces hatred and a hatefilled, unhappy lifestyle.

  • re: anon 9:07
    Feb. 13, 2009 9:46 a.m.

    "Quit projecting YOUR opinions onto others and claiming that's what THEY are thinking."

    This is what the far-right in Utah has been doing for years. And they don't think people have caught on to it.


  • re:wow
    Feb. 13, 2009 9:43 a.m.

    We keep telling you there is a God. He also considers homosexuality a sin. I though you would want to know that since you are referring to Him.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2009 9:29 a.m.

    Can you say Sec of Commerce?

    I guess Huntsman gave up on running for US Senator as a Republican from Utah (Although he could switch parties and run as D). He'll never get nominated by the convention delegates now.

    I think the timing has nothing to do with supporting gays and more about positioning himself to be Obama's Sec of Commerce.

    He's now the likely bi-partisan, yuppie, green, gay supporting choice who has money.

  • Greg
    Feb. 13, 2009 9:26 a.m.

    A different perspective on Governor Huntsmans position:

    The unholy transgression of homosexuality is either rapidly growing or tolerance is giving it wider publicity. If one has such desires and tendencies, he overcomes them the same as if he had the urge toward petting or fornication or adultery. The Lord condemns and forbids this practice with a vigor equal to his condemnation of adultery and other such sex acts. . . . Again, contrary to the belief and statement of many people, this sin, like fornication, is overcomable and forgivable, but again, only upon a deep and abiding repentance, which means total abandonment and complete transformation of thought and act. The fact that some governments and some churches and numerous corrupted individuals have tried to reduce such behavior from criminal offense to personal privilege does not change the nature or the seriousness of the practice. Good men, wise men, God-fearing men everywhere still denounce the practice as being unworthy of sons of God; and Christs church denounces it and condemns it so long as men have bodies which can be defiled. LDS President Spencer W. Kimball

    Gail Ruzicka, Chris Buttars, and the Sutherland Institute should be applauded for their efforts.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2009 9:07 a.m.

    A liberal governor in the reddest of red states.
    There IS a God!

  • @ "Anonymous | 7:43 a.m."
    Feb. 13, 2009 9:07 a.m.

    Anonymous | 7:43 a.m.

    Yes, I'm sure that was EXACTLY what Gov Huntsman was thinking.

    Quit projecting YOUR opinions onto others and claiming that's what THEY are thinking.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2009 8:57 a.m.

    Huntsman has courage.
    Knows his church has Church/State limitations.
    It's what made America great.

  • It's all about the White House
    Feb. 13, 2009 8:44 a.m.

    He's laying the predicate for his run for the presidency.

  • Long live the Guv!!!
    Feb. 13, 2009 8:03 a.m.

    I hope that Gail Ruzicka, Chris Buttars and the yayhoos at Sutherland are all so mad they can't sleep.
    Way to start facing reality and looking forward, Governor Huntsman. Well done, Sir.
    Michael in Sandy

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2009 7:43 a.m.

    Smart politician.
    He knows America is sick to death of far-right lunatic Limbaughites clamoring for Civil War.

  • uncannygunman
    Feb. 13, 2009 7:30 a.m.

    I think that the Common Ground initiative is making a strategic mistake by expanding the scope of its reforms beyond same-gender couples. Proposing marriage-like benefits for siblings and inter-generational relations is vaguely incestuous and just gives ammo to the cretins who say things like "if gays can marry, why can't I marry my dog?".

    The best thing for gays and straights and the institution of marriage is to leave marriage alone, but just treat gender like we do race and religion--as no basis to tell a loving couple that they can't marry. Problem solved.

  • Utah Bill
    Feb. 13, 2009 7:17 a.m.

    Bernick obviously has not been paying attention to Huntsman's political stances. Huntsman has supported this issue for some time but it's only been focused on now (which, in itself, says something).

    Huntsman did not bring the issue up. While being interviewed by a reporter on a different matter Huntsman was asked if he supported civil unions. As he has before, he stated "yes" and the interview moved on. He could have side-stepped the question, but did not think it was a big deal because this issue was old news. For some reason, the press just never took notice before.

  • liberal larry
    Feb. 13, 2009 6:35 a.m.

    Progressive, moderate, conservatives, are the future of republican party. As the world becomes more complex the "antis" (intellectual, abortion rights, environmental, gun control, climate change, evolution, illegal immigrants, etc, etc.) are becoming increasingly irrelevant. Moderates like Huntsman grudgingly get most of the right wing nut vote, and appeal to moderate republicans, independents, and even a few liberals. I think Huntsman is looking past the Utah State legislature and is definitely positioning himself for a national office. He has all the prerequisites, money, charm, smarts, looks, family , etc. If he can just convince people he's Episcopalian, he's got it made!

  • Johnny Bravo
    Feb. 13, 2009 6:10 a.m.

    First of all, any domestic partnership that grants *financial* benefits to gay couples, friends, or whoever is a bad idea. If businesses are obliged to offer insurance to such relationships along wih offering them to spouses then they may just opt not to cover any relationship at all. That would be perfectly legal.

    *** Political pundits say Huntsman, after winning his last run for the governorship by a record-setting majority last November, is repositioning himself for the national stage. ***

    Setting himself up for what? Surely not president. On that score what does Huntsman have that Mitt Romney doesn't? Both are Mormon, which doesn't help nationally. Both are further to the left than the overall GOP, but Romney had an excuse: he had to run in Massachusetts. Romney is a manly man; Huntsman is an effeminate fop. Both are the sons of privilege, but Romney has his own genuine accomplishments to point to, while Huntsman's "accomplishments" consist of political appointments purchased with daddy's contributions to the GOP. And speaking of those contributions, Huntsman's daddy has spent the last decade given hundreds of thousands to both parties, which, whatever Jonny, Sr. says, is really just about bribery.

  • Yay Gov Huntsman!
    Feb. 13, 2009 1:27 a.m.

    "they will hurt him within the Utah Republican Party and in the Legislature"

    That is sad, true but sad in Utah.

    Gov. Huntsman is facing reality, times have changed!