BYU, Utah football: Hatch calls BCS 'un-American'

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    May 1, 2009 9:36 p.m.

    I think we should keep the BCS ranking and the bowl games and add a 32 team playoff bracket and have each of your first round games at your smaller bowls.Then your second round games played at your bigger bowls and then your quarter finals at the Rose, Fiesta, Orange, and Sugar Bowl.Then you got the BCS Championship and the there will be no arguing over who was the real champion because it will be proven. I think at the end of the regular season you take your top 32 and starting with the number one school let them pick what bowl they want to play in and the number 32 team would have to go there and play them. Then let number number two team pick what bowl game and number 31 would have to go there and play them. Then after they play round one do the same thing with round 2. I feel lt would be better for the cities of the smaller bowls to have big name schools go there and play. This way we can keep the BCS rankings and still have your bowl games.

  • Joseph Smith
    Feb. 5, 2009 3:27 p.m.

    The Bogus Chump System was formed a SEC commissioner and is now run by ACC commissioner. It favors east coast conferences such as the The Easy, the Awful Coaster Conference, and the Secondary Eastern Conference. Of the course the BCS chump was Flawdah that trounced the mighty Citadel. And of course Flawdah has scheduled Charleston Southern a Division II team this coming September. East coast bias is in charge of college football.

  • SEC # 1
    Feb. 3, 2009 9:38 a.m.

    Na Na Na Hey Hey SEC # 1, What's all the cring for, Can't walk the walk so ya'll beat Alabama (Who didn't want to be there) so what! WHO CARES! Utah had it's 15 min of FAME, It's over, the SEC is still is # 1 three years in a row. Quit whining and get a better conference that's all. The MWC an't good enough to get in, quit playing with the NM, or who's else in this pee-wee conference. Better yet GO INDENPENDANT so Utah can play in the NC game. ND is indenpendant and when they earn it they get to play.

  • KellyH
    Feb. 2, 2009 4:07 p.m.

    The government can't do anything. The only thing that can change it is if the NCAA takes some responsibility and takes over its own postseason, effectively disenfranchising the BCS (which it has the power to do, but Brand doesn't have the courage to do it).

  • Un-American?
    Feb. 2, 2009 1:44 p.m.

    What is more American than hoarding the big bucks? The BCS and NCAA are just getting athletes ready for the multi-million dollar contracts pro sports will offer them. Its all about the money.The networks, the BCS schools and their coaches are getting rich off the current system.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 1, 2009 6:24 p.m.

    I would love to see the BCS get into legal trouble. That would be the only thing that would get us a playoff. A 16-team playoff would be the best.

    GO UTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dennis
    Feb. 1, 2009 4:14 a.m.

    I'm ith 8:15, here we are getting sucked into believing that anything anyone says on these posts is important. However, as a BYU alumni and old die hard blue fan who follows it all even though I can't get any of the games on TV, (Canada)I must admit that Utah had a very impressive year and no doubt needed to be considered a national champion, congratulations. Can anyone tell me why BCS doesn't follow the basketball championship format?
    Games in the sweet 16 and the elite 8 and the final 4 could be called by the traditional bowl names, making plenty of games (28 plus a final)(tons of money) and creating far more interest. I would be interested in the "Motor City" bowl if it decided the central conference finalist far more than if it were just a couple of no-name teams from Illinois or Wisconsin satisfiyng some sponsors ego or greed in "their" bowl.
    Makes sense to me, but then it is a pretty simple plan.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 31, 2009 8:51 p.m.

    Sorry, Hatch. Tom Hanks already did that "un-American" game!

  • Stop Crying!
    Jan. 31, 2009 7:07 p.m.

    To win the national championship you have to play IN the National Championship game... Simply having the best record does not validate national champions...

  • Hurricane Pride
    Jan. 31, 2009 4:21 p.m.

    The BCS is a non-profit, amateur athletic association of associations. Congress has no business getting involved in it. It works perfectly just the way it is. The strength of a Conference is taken into account when computing a team's rankings. The Strength of a team's schedule is also taken into account. The Polls are completed by coaches and sports writers and people who are experts in the area. The MWC and the WAC have not been around long enough to build up good records against other, older Conferences. All your Y-ning t-Uting your own horns isn't going to change that, you bunch of crybabies! Hatch is an idiot. Antitrust laws do not apply to non-profit, amateur athletic organizations, just as they don't apply to non-profit Church organizations! Utah has NO legitimate claim on Florida's National Championship, just as BYU has no legitimate claim on Miami's 1984 National Championship! Get a life you bunch of dishonest ignoramuses!

  • Randall
    Jan. 31, 2009 4:20 p.m.

    Did Hatch attend The Sugar Bowl?
    The Gov. did NOT.
    What a couple of Grandstanding Jokers.

  • Cali Coug
    Jan. 31, 2009 4:17 p.m.

    The u finished fourth in the nation, they didn't come close to winning the NC. They never have and never will...we have been waiting for more than 100 years...the mighty yewts...pathetic!!

  • Unimportant?
    Jan. 31, 2009 2:08 p.m.

    College football is part of our history, our national past-time. College football is part of our culture. College football generates huge amounts of dollars, and helps thousands of other businesses across the country from restaurants, gas stations, clothing suppliers and manufacturers, sod farms, fertilizer manufacturers, athletic support staff,...not to mention all the businesses and products that are advertised on tv.

    To pretend that college football, and its attendant playoff system and crowning of a national champion is not important is quite naive. College football is HUGE! Of course congress and the courts should be involved. WHY HAVEN"T THEY FIXED THIS SHAM BEFORE NOW?!! WHAT IS TAKING CONGRESS SO LONG!!!??

  • It's Okay!
    Jan. 31, 2009 1:50 p.m.

    The UTES will never challenge for a National Championship again anyways! 2 years of luck, fools nobody! You'll never be one of the ELITE!


  • not a waste of time
    Jan. 31, 2009 1:50 p.m.

    Sen. Hatch is fighting for the future tens of millions of dollars that would flow to this state and some of its Universities both public and private. Why is that not important? If the MWC had an auto bid or was allowed to compete in a playoff the financial reward would be HUGE.

  • bergstro
    Jan. 31, 2009 1:39 p.m.

    Can we please stop complaining about how "Congress/Senators/AG should focus on the bigger problems!" Using this flawed logic, 98% of Congress' work should be set aside to work on poverty, war, etc. The facts are:

    (1) Congress has to deal with everything, and the BCS controversy involves more jobs, money, and fundamental fairness than most of what they deal with. This IS important.

    (2) Congress has direct constitutional authority to regulate interstate commerce, the most important part of which is antitrust enforcement (A1, S8)

    (3) College football is entertainment, but it is also a huge business. The money generated by the FBS teams dwarfs the income of many other businesses Congress is required to regulate.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 31, 2009 1:14 p.m.

    How is the BCS a monopoly? BYU and Utah do not have to play in it if they do not want to. There is Division I-AA. All 3 Divison 1 in-state teams chose and agreed to the system. They can even start their own league if they wanted to. Orrin Hatch is a RINO and and embarrassment to the state. What an anti- free enterprise idea he has... Legislate the BCS?

  • Media Magnet
    Jan. 31, 2009 12:50 p.m.

    Hatch is such a media magnet. He is only after attention. Where was this when it all mattered a few months ago or a few years ago? Hatch knows he can talk about this now and get a lot of play in the media. Typical Hatch. Only concerned with propping himself up.

    Where were you Uncle Orin? Oh yeah, you live in Virginia year round.

  • Enforce Laws
    Jan. 31, 2009 12:09 p.m.

    The BCS is "just a game" only to extremely naive and uninformed people. To the schools that benefit from the monopoly, and to those that are hoping for BCS crumbs, it's not just a game at all. It's tremendously huge amounts of money and big business. Any other large business that isn't "just a game" gets scrutinized for unfair business practices - why not the BCS just because it involves football?

  • Gretzky
    Jan. 31, 2009 11:58 a.m.

    where's the presidential order to eliminate the BS-C by next week??? Obama orders federal funding for foreign abortions but he cannot get rid of the BSC??? murder is okay but extortion and robbery are okay??? i see how this administration works....good job Uncle Orrin!!!!

  • John Marx
    Jan. 31, 2009 11:52 a.m.

    It seems everytime I hear Orrin speak I like him less. Yes the BCS is screwed up, but it's just a game. He's just pandering to his constituents. What a waste of time.

  • Enforce Laws
    Jan. 31, 2009 11:50 a.m.

    The economy is messed up - so let's ignore every other problem in our country.

  • mw
    Jan. 31, 2009 11:30 a.m.

    the economy is already messed up; so lets fix the BCS.

  • Finals
    Jan. 31, 2009 11:11 a.m.

    to There can be a playoff
    Ever heard of Finals, they are scheduled for 4 to 6 days in Mid-December. These football are called Student-Athletes, not Athlete-Students.

  • Re: Bob
    Jan. 31, 2009 11:05 a.m.

    Uh not to point out the obvious but if you need a model just look at the rest of college football that isn't D1. DIAA, DII, and DIII all have a playoff. The argument that D1 cannot fit the extra games into its schedule has never held any logic when the rest of college football does it every year.

  • There can be a playoff
    Jan. 31, 2009 10:55 a.m.

    There are four weeks from the end of the football season in Nov. until the championship game in Jan. There could be a playoff game each of the four weeks and it woulw be much better than the teams all practicing and getting stale for 4 weeks. The BCS college presidents say they are concerned the players will miss too much school. Bull, how many days of school are there in December they just want to continue their liscence to steal which is what they are doing. There only needs to be a playoff for 8 teams with 4 more playing in and you have the playoff. Lets get some honesty here.

  • Enforce Laws
    Jan. 31, 2009 10:41 a.m.

    What difference does it make if there are "more important" things to spend money and time on? There are certainly "more important" things for cops to do than cite someone for 10 over the speed limit, but we still benefit as a society when all laws, including the "less important" ones are enforced.

    With the huge amount of money and institutional inequity involved, the BCS monopoly is certainly worthy of attention, especially if laws are being broken, even if there are "more important" items on the agenda. National security and economic stability will always be among, if not the most important issues for our government to face. Should every other issue be ignored because they are less important?

  • uteowl
    Jan. 31, 2009 10:05 a.m.

    While I agree that a playoff is the ultimate solution, I have a great deal of trepidation over our government getting involved. Aren't there more important and constitutionally based things for government to worry about?

  • BamaGunny
    Jan. 31, 2009 10:00 a.m.

    Jeeze, folks. Several teams have gone undefeated through the years and not awarded anything. Talk to Penn State. Talk to Auburn. Take to Alabama. Talk to Boston College, Washington, Virginia, Wake forest, Montana: the list is long. Yes its unfair that you got little respect. You had a great team and a GREAT Sugar Bowl whipping of Alabama, something the National Champs couldnt do. But, its done. The sooner you move on, the better.

  • Bob
    Jan. 31, 2009 9:49 a.m.

    Look, there cannot be playoffs - ever.

    There are only so many weeks and every week a game can be played is already taken - get it?

    You cannot add more games - ever.

    Same reason + who's going to fill all those big stadiums after the semester? Alumni? Come on?
    You think students are just going to "hang-out" on campus when there's no classes? Never happen.

    You cannot cut games - ever.

    Football is a revenue producing sport. It pays (in part) for all the other sports. If 8 teams are in a playoff, that means 112 ARE NOT. Who's going to cover the losses of those schools if they have to cut their schedule to make room for playoffs?

    By the way, if you think revenue sharing will, sober up. A 3 week playoff will eliminate 168 games. All the playoffs in the world will not cover a loss that big.

    These are the core obstacles and there is no way around them. It's been studied to death. However, if someone knows a way to have playoffs without changing the number of games, the schedule or using polls, please tell us.

    The world is waiting.

  • Utah Mann
    Jan. 31, 2009 9:46 a.m.

    Way to go Orin!!!! You are the man. Way to stand up for your state and your school!!

  • Discrimination
    Jan. 31, 2009 9:20 a.m.

    I watched the Sugar Bowl with a close friend of mine, who holds a PhD in sociology. He pointed out to me during the game that, regardless of how dominating the University of Utah might win, that they would be denied a national championship because, in sociological terms, they (and other non-BCS teams) are the victims of discrimination.

    The way that discrimination works is, those in control continually change the rules of the game. When the victim meets the unusually difficult standards set by those in control, then the rules of the game get changed so the victim still cannot attain the desired results. Unfortunately, we in America know all too well about discrimination against certain racial and religious groups. In this case it's been extended to the athletic field.

  • Robert
    Jan. 31, 2009 9:04 a.m.

    The NCAA makes the decision when a school qualifies to be a Division 1 School. They have guidelines. Once the school has met those guidelines, they should be able to work their way to the top. College sports being tied to educational institutions should be the last place for unjustified bias. Have a playoff..the big heavier weighted schools will be there with the majority of the teams anyway, but give everyone an equal chance...the American way. Thanks Orrin you've done a lot of good for Utah and its citizens. You've done more than those who come for six months, get a drivers license and declare themselves Utah citizens, get their benefits and leave. Your heart is here and here is where you belong.

  • RedRockFan
    Jan. 31, 2009 8:26 a.m.

    Correction . . .
    It's all about money and power. It's the prime example of a "good-ole-boys" club that permeates society. What can we do about it? Just go out and punch em in the mouth every chance you get . . . just like Utah did on Jan 2.

  • What the other hand is doing
    Jan. 31, 2009 8:11 a.m.

    While the senior senator is giving impassioned speeches on the floor of the U.S. Senate about how un-American and vile the BCS is, this same paper reported this week that the U of U, led by Michael Young, is doing its best to get into the BCS and is lobbying for a meeting with the BCS brass to persuade them that the MWC deserves a spot. Which is it? Seems like if you're one of the conferences on the inside, the view looks pretty good.

  • send orrin back to penn
    Jan. 31, 2009 8:00 a.m.

    orrin, please go back to where you came from - you have worn out your welcome

  • yeah but...
    Jan. 31, 2009 7:59 a.m.

    why does utah have to prove that they could beat texas, usc and florida...could any of those schools beat ALL of the other teams too? why is it always cold utah beat them? or could utah beat them? why not-utah beat everybody in front of them , when no other team did the same. including 4 in the top 25. and alabama in the sugar bowl. could texas beat sc? could sc beat florida? could florida beat utah? ...who knows-EXCEPT that UTAH won all their games.

  • RE Big Picture
    Jan. 31, 2009 7:53 a.m.

    This is about big $$$$$$$, not just a game.

    Take it to them Orrin!

    Besides, with the makeup of THIS congress, I'd like them to be preoccupied with something so they don't screw up the country too horribly.

  • Utah Man
    Jan. 31, 2009 7:50 a.m.

    Thank-you Senator Hatch! While others grumble that there are more important things to do you hit it right on. The money that is being excluded for the non-BCS conferences is enormous. The schools can earn that money if they can play in those big bowl games. If not fair citizens, it's YOUR tax dollars that will need to be spent. The athletic programs bring dollars to the Universities for more things than just athletics. So while it was a few words from a powerful Senator, the words spoken could really help all Universities achieve fairness and revenue that they deserve based on their records and performance.
    Thank-you once again Senator Hatch
    Thank-you to the U Football team for busting the BCS and putting the issue squarely on the table.
    Thank-you for being the TRUE National Champions!!
    GO UTES!!!

  • Finally
    Jan. 31, 2009 7:40 a.m.

    Orin Hatch makes a statement about something. He is too old and too tired to do anything but talk. He has been basically useless as a senator for the last 20 years. I think he did some good work when he was head of the committee. Now he does nothing. He is on the BCS bandwagon because he can just talk. If you want him to act, people you will have to wait a looooooooong time. He only shows up when he is up for reelection. We are stuck with him until he dies. At least Bob Bennett has done a couple of useful things lately. Utah is not well represented.

  • RedRockFan
    Jan. 31, 2009 7:40 a.m.

    errr "mouth" not "month". (typo in my previous comment)

  • BlueBoy
    Jan. 31, 2009 7:37 a.m.

    Threaten the money-monger BCS top guys with jail time and see what happens! If it's criminal, why not?

  • RedRockFan
    Jan. 31, 2009 7:30 a.m.

    It's all about money and power. It's the prime example of a "good-ole-boys" club that permeates society. What can we do about it? Just go out and punch em in the month every chance you get . . . just like Utah did on Jan 2.

  • BCS cant fix the problem
    Jan. 31, 2009 7:27 a.m.

    The BSC will watch out for their own and still give the 6 BSC confrences the advantage in a playoff. All the confrences should have input and equal weight. The + 1 modle stinks. A 4 team playoff stinks. Even an 8 team playoff stinks. There should be at least a 16 team playoff. If we had a playoff the championship game would be the second, if not the first, next to the super bowl, as a sporting event in the USA. Thee are no good excuces for not having a playoff except in the minds of thoes who control the BCS and who want all the money. Some entity other than the BSC, like the NCAA, should have the final say. The NCAA does a pretty good job with the basketball tournament.

  • Mark
    Jan. 31, 2009 7:17 a.m.

    The question isn't whether Utah could have beaten Florida or USC or Texas. The question is if any of those teams could have beaten Utah.

  • Chad
    Jan. 31, 2009 5:44 a.m.

    Sure there are bigger problems facing our country, but this is one that we can actually fix rather quickly. This has gone on way too long! Why would the current BCS conferences want to change when they get such an advantage in recruiting (informing the blue chip recruit that he can not play for a notional championship if he goes to Utah, BYU, or Boise State)and the large amounts of money from the BCS Bowl games. Thanks Senator Hatch!!

  • Gene Mason
    Jan. 31, 2009 5:10 a.m.

    The triumphs and failings of college football are not a matter of national security. The presence or absence of Utah's football team from the BCS championship game will not determine whether our economy survives or collapses.

    For some, college football is a temporary escape from a bitter reality in which government has played no small part.

    As such, college football should not be subject to the meddlings of one disgruntled fan, whether that fan is Orrin Hatch or Joe Sixpack.

    Jan. 31, 2009 4:38 a.m.

    Thats is exactly what Senator Hatch is saying here. Congress' priorities should be elsewhere so he's asking the BCS to straighten itself out so the Government doesn't have to.

  • what?
    Jan. 31, 2009 4:33 a.m.

    give me a break. yeah the BCS is fixed and cheats out a bunch of people but honestly i am a little embarrassed by this and by AG Shurtleff for doing all this. don't get me wrong the Utes are number 1 and should be the Champs but come on its college football. there are more important things that need to be taken care of by men using our money. we the people are paying for the investigating and legal battles that will happen from this.

  • Re:Re: Alan
    Jan. 31, 2009 1:27 a.m.

    I believe that Utah could have matched up with any team in the country. But we will never know will we. At least they deserved a shot at a national championship. If basketball can have a playoff system, why not football? They are the only sport that still has a "Mythical National Champion"!!!

  • Re: Alan
    Jan. 30, 2009 11:03 p.m.

    Who cares if they could beat Florida? Could they beat Texas or USC? Why is Florida always the standard? Well, because they were the BCS champ. Using them as the measuring stick only validifies what the BCS has done.

  • Big picture
    Jan. 30, 2009 10:05 p.m.

    With all the problems in this country Orrin, wouldn't your time be better spent elsewhere?

  • Alan
    Jan. 30, 2009 9:37 p.m.

    Hatch should be commended for drawing attention to the travesty that is the BCS. As I understand it, he isn't saying Congress or the courts should fix the problem. He is calling on the BCS and the universities to clean up their act. I don't know if Utah could have beat Florida. The Utes sure deserved a shot, though. That much is certain. The BCS is a joke.

  • Get those priorities right, man
    Jan. 30, 2009 8:15 p.m.

    The writer reports this:

    "Hatch said, however, he would prefer that the BCS fix its problems before the matter goes to the courts or Congress because they should be focused on bigger problems that are facing the nation."

    Isn't that basically saying that Congress should be focusing on the big problems that the nation faces but, by golly, Congress may have to set that aside to take care of the intransigent BCS?

    Okay, I am not very good a prioritization either. Here I am posting on the Reader Comments, again.