Is anyone else tired of this story? I wish the media would report the news and
not attempt to make news by working the environmentalists up. EVERYONE knows
these sales occur quarterly, by law. Sometimes they get cancelled, when there
isn't enough interest, like the January 09 sale was.
That money would come from the NATION'S taxes as well as ours.Any
penny that goes towards our kids' education is money well spent.Right now the Feds benefit while our state sits by and watches...
"All kinds of idiots sell in a depressed stock market. Did you? Or do you have
still have your 401k in stocks?"I sold stock during the bubble. I
saw the real estate bubble too. I find the stupidity show by conservatives to be
funny. Conservatives just utter mantras. Oil is at $35 and you free market
worshipers are selling.Eighty-five percent of leases aren't being
used. There's a oil glut and you are selling. :-)
A lot of ranting going on out there. To repeat, it seems like one thing that
could be done is to swap out the SITLA lands. In the past, some of the SITLA
one-square mile blocks have been inside of national park units; it made utter
sense to swap them out for an agreedl-upon-by-all parcel that had similar
economic value, and wasn't controversial. It's been done before; it should be
done again. Now, back to the bickering.
If an area is say 100,000 acres to be opened for drilling what per cent of the
land would be occupied by the oil wells and roads?
And where do you think that rent money would come from? From your taxes. Duh!
I agree with the poster that said the feds should be paying us rent money for
the land in our state that they control.It could be developed and
taxes collected to pay for our schools.We desperately need the money
and they are robbing us blind!
^^^ Isn't seizing assets of an organization in order to drive them out of
business - just because you disagree with them - a socialist communitarian
undertaking? Please accept membership in the East Bench elites cell
comrade what a surprise.
Lease, develop, grow. Just make sure that all bidders at the auction or sale
post a multi-million dollar bond prior to the start of the proceedings so no
more bogus bidders step in to screw up the process.
keep writing a little balance is needed, i get censored for saying things like
you did so keep it up while they let you
I myself don't mind drilling. But if I did, and didn't want it to happen, I
would take out my check book and write a check to the Utah Schools Trust fund in
lieu of the money the fund would have made from the sale of oil.Then
to help make up for the lost oil hitting the market, I would not drive a car,
heat my house with oil or natural gas, or fly in an airplane.Thats
just me, of course environmentalists do heat their house with products of oil
and natural gas, they do drive cars, they do fly and they don't write checks to
make up for lost money to the schools.
I have a question? Are they actually buying the land or just buying the mineral
leases for a specified number of years? There is a big difference. I would
like to know.
Your kind has been saying this kind of stuff for 50 years. How many
generations is that? What have we to show for it? Nothing.
Except a burgeoning dependence on foreign oil. Even you green guys ought to be
thinking - maybe we should develop some of this stuff. I mean, we need some
jobs, our state needs more public revenue, and we can always use the natural gas
for heat and fuel. I'm all for the wind, the geothermal, the
solar, the coal, the oil and gas -- we need all of this to meet our energy
. . . that SUWA will oppose any development of these State trust land leases!When has SUWA ever supported any reasonable and necessary
development?It should be noted that sales of these leases and
royalties from any petroleum or minerals extracted will finance sorely needed
projects in our educations system. Funny the article glossed over that, huh?SUWA should be sued for its many RICO violations, it's miniscule assets
seized, and then driven out of business. Then, this alliance of a
tiny number of vocal Back East carptebaggers, West Coast fruits and nuts, and
East Bench elites should be relegated to its proper place -- a comic curiosity.
It's amazing that this organization consisting of a few dozen
committed socialists and anarchists should be so often quoted in DesNews,
particularly since reasoned rebuttal is seldom included in the articles. SUWA
is always jaunty on the spot to give DesNews reporters a ready-packaged, if
misleading, sound bite. Too bad reporters are too lazy or biased to
seek accurate unbiased information from those most likely to be affected by
SUWA's socialist communitarian agenda.
Here are some considerations on this matter: Utah has set up a way to pay for
some of its education of its youth. But they keep having too many kids for the
$$$ raised. Hmmmmmmmm. Less children means more per child, more children means
less per child. Hmmmmmmm.Once you use up the oil and gas, you
are... officially bankrupt.It is wrong to think that oil and gas
dev. anywhere in the world, let alone the us of a, will go to the us of a.
Companies are not national, they are international businesses. What foolishness
to think that any oil and gas reserve will come to us!Think of the
next 7 generations and then ask yourself what are we doing. It is the right
thing to do: for the next 7 generations, not the next 7 months or years. We are a greedy, ignorant lot, aren't we.
All kinds of idiots sell in a depressed stock market. Did you? Or do you have
still have your 401k in stocks?But back to the current issue:
Companies try to buy low - maybe there will be enough of them to bid the price
up. And the auction isn't until April, and who knows what the energy markets
will be like then. That said, your side would use any excuse it
could find to delay the bidding. This is a little better one than 'it will ruin
the pretty vistas." Which it won't.
The parcels are outside of any protected areas. They are on the UNPROTECTED
side of the boundary, so lets get going. Good thing these lands
were preserved specifically for the purpose of development and natural resource
utilization. If we hadn't protected these areas from the envirowhackos, what
would we be doing now? We should protect much more land from envirowhackos and
preserve development and extraction opportunities for our children. Otherwise,
their quality of life will suffer greatly.
What idiot sells low in a depressed market?
How bout the headline..."Study areas might quell Utans' abillity to
obtain their own resources..."
Maybe our own SITLA will have the fortitude to do what the feds couldn't this
last go time. For the record, oil and gas exploration does not ruin landscapes,
vistas and tourism. Companies go to great expense to meet requirements placed
on them by government. But now we have to watch out for the 'wolfs
in sheeps' clothing - the bidders that can't and won't pay. SITLA,
our schools need extra revenue, our rural communities and, lest we forget we are
in a recession, our states need the jobs that go with energy development. Stick
with your plan. Why should foreign countries get the jobs that go
with energy - we need them!!
This money goes to our schools.The feds have tied up much of the
land in Utah and the little bit run by the Trustlands is all the school children
of Utah are going to get.When we have the most children and the
lowest spending for education, this land has to be sold off from time to
time.If the environmental groups don't like it then they need to
help petition the Feds for the money owed to Utah for the education of our
children.We should be reimbursed for all of the taxes the state
could be collecting on any land run by the feds.Something has to
improve the education funding in Utah.This is it.
I'm so sick of reporters always taking environmentalist side as if their views
are the penulitmate version of the way things "ought to be." SITLA lands are
and were always meant to be maximized for the profit of Utah's Schoolchildren.
They're PRIVATE lands -- not PUBLIC lands. They belong to a TRUST. Not the
BLM, Forest Service, or any other organ of government. If the enviros hate the
prospect of "Drilling Here, Drilling now" to help solve our nation's energy
crisis.... that helped lead to the economic crisis we're now in - then maybe
they can offer solutions to the overburdened taxpayers of UTah in trying to
adequately fund our public Schools. If they want to buy SITLA lands at fair
market value, then I'm sure the SITLA board will entertain any serious offers.
There is a bill that is offered in Congress routinely that would trade out the
most controversial of the SITLA parcels (those in wilderness study areas and
national park units) for land of comparable value elsewhere. It routinely
languishes, unpassed or not even brought to table. Passing it would allows us
to escape some of these headaches.
e state should trade that land for another piece with equal mineral
The phrase for this action is "messing in your nest." Trade the land, sell the
land, or hold it... but to develop it and ruin the future outdoor rec. vistas
and sites is so short sighted...In reality, one puts the land up for
sale, and an environmental groups buys it, over time or cash up front. To destroy the priceless land for any price is the ultimate "mess in
your nest." How shortsighted.Who makes the money under the table?