Bulls dominate Utah Jazz down stretch

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  • B. R. Speaks
    Dec. 21, 2008 8:56 p.m.

    We could sure use some production out of Boozers salary spot to help the team right now. Milk him dry from now to the end of the season. Go for broke, everybody by in and play defense like we've never seen. Lets put these wonderful athletes to good use and make a run. Go Jazz!

  • OKUR
    Dec. 21, 2008 8:01 p.m.

    *~*IS MY HERO!!!!*~*

    *~*I LOVE YOU!!!*~*


  • DW2RB
    Dec. 21, 2008 7:45 p.m.

    No, Miles didn't single handedly lose the game last night. Memo's 5 turnovers, 35% shooting, 0-for-3 three-pointers, and generally porous defense had a lot to do with it also.

    It's poor timing to question Korver's superiority over Miles when he is visibly playing better defense and was a crucial factor in the victory over Detroit the night before. KK's jump shot's better, his FT shooting is better, his +/- is better, and maybe his defense is about as good as CJ's. I don't understand why Miles doesn't understand that he has to work harder when he has seen Millsap and even AK and Brewer do so well by hustling--and get penalized when they don't.

  • BigJazzFan
    Dec. 21, 2008 7:04 p.m.

    Jazx have never guarded the outside,

    not in 80's or 90's with stockton and malone,

    not now,


    Sloan's system.

    IT dares the other to beat outside,

    but when have no one defending the inside either it hardly matters.



    The three pionter IS part the game defensively as well as offensively.

  • Miles
    Dec. 21, 2008 6:04 p.m.

    OH so Miles single-handedly lost the game last night. Now that is FUNNY. But I am sure if Korver would have played more minutes, we would have won. Like he is a game changer on defense and on the boards.

  • Only one 'miles' post from me..
    Dec. 21, 2008 4:40 p.m.

    Why would you assume that the same person is posting about CJ? I posted yesterday about CJ, one time... and my thoughts haven't changed since then. He should not have been in down the stretch of that game, and hopefully he proved that to Sloan. Even though CJ has a lot of POTENTIAL, he simply isn't showing what he should be (yet). It's not just about one play or one missed shot (for him, or anyone else), and it isn't just about stats. It's about playing hard, smart basketball, having a feel for the tempo of the game, and doing all the dirty work that take extra effort and desire. Sorry, but Korver should have been in at the end of that game... even if he was in, and missed a shot, or made a mistake.... pay more attention to the game itself, and maybe some of these things will make sense?

  • re:Some people think
    Dec. 21, 2008 2:08 p.m.

    It is refreshing to see by your comments and post that some people actually do. Great point and comments.

  • Miles
    Dec. 21, 2008 2:01 p.m.

    Funny........Same guy posts under 10 different names so he can bad mouth CJ. If you are man (and I doubt you are) post under the same name. Miles did his job in the game. How did Rose get so open on the last play? Oh the guards played no defense and wanted to be bailed out. You don't see Kobe asking for help when the games on the line. If you are good enough to start in the NBA, you should be good enough to keep Rose in front of you. Real men play defense, the rest stand around waiting for help.

  • dwill too
    Dec. 21, 2008 2:00 p.m.

    It wouldn't hurt dwill to play some better d either. I haven't said anything, because he's the man, but it wouldn't hurt him to step it up defensively.
    As for brewer, i haven't paid close attention to his playing so i don't have anything to say. As for ak, he's been playing well, all around, and his intensity has been good on this road trip, he's had some lapses, but not on this road trip, he's made some bad passes though. as for price, i think he's better in the second half, and brevin knight is better int the first half. they both play better with out defined roles, as far as not knowing exactly when they'll be playing. okur has been good the last two games, i thought he rebounded well last night, and his intenstiy was up, that's what we should expect from him. as for harpring, i think he needs a defined role, he needs to know when he'll be playing every night, he's a veteran and he deserves that, so he can prepare for that, and he needs more minutes, we would've won that game last night if booz had been playing.

  • Some people think
    Dec. 21, 2008 1:30 p.m.

    Some people think sloan is hardest on the players who have the most potential, and most people think that it's good for the players. Some of us fans look at cj and we see a long quick player, with a sweet shot; if miles couldn't be any better, i don't think he'd be catching so much flack from us fans; it's a little unfair for everyone to be putting the spotlight on him; but he'll either respond to it, or not. I would like to see him really break through, for the most part he's responded. I was thinking about how millsap built his career from the foundation of rebounding, it was the one thing he controlled, from that pillar, he built his game into one that is scoring, he's stepped up; he's always been focused on rebounding. I think cj's pillar needs to be man up defense, he's too quick and long, he should be able to consistently stop people from scoring and getting the ball, it's the part of his game he can have the most control over; so we fans, get dissapointed when we don't see it, we want to watch him for years to come.

  • Re: Oldtimer
    Dec. 21, 2008 1:29 p.m.

    Good post,old wize one,lot`s of wisdom in you brief comment,it`s not about the money apent by the owner,if that were true Yankee`s would win every year,rather it`s the desire/will to win that brings championships,I know that this team with a healthy Boozer has all the pieces,but does it have the drive,the heart?

  • Jazz supporter
    Dec. 21, 2008 12:52 p.m.

    To: Kevin O'Conner,

    We fans, want a shot blocking, defensive minded big man in the middle again/still this year.

    Whats new with you?

  • AK Fan
    Dec. 21, 2008 12:10 p.m.

    It was just bad night. They were tired ( after double OT game no wonder).

  • Sokol
    Dec. 21, 2008 12:09 p.m.

    Kirilenko and Okur, Miles and those boys always throw
    the game with their 3 point brick attempts at the end
    of the game...I for once agree with Sloan..

    AND, I calling O'Connor out, he needs to make a
    deal and dump Boozer.
    Dump the Booze or the fans with have their own

  • Fill the Stadium
    Dec. 21, 2008 12:07 p.m.

    All the Jazz really care about is keeping the franchise profitable by keeping fans in the seats and having an exciting team that can go to the 2nd round, sometimes the 3rd round in the playoffs and that's it. This team and market is a 2nd tier market in both the college and in this case the pro-level. Great place to live, but if you want real Pro-Level sports you need to look to the states around us. If Miller wants a championship, he'd pay for it, and fans would help by paying higher ticket prices. In the end neither will do it and Miller will say that he was loyal to his beliefs which is fine. His beliefs won't bring a championship. You do have to give O'Connor credit for managing this team the way he has. He has a team that fills the stadium and managers the cap and drafts well. Players, fans and Owners/Management need to prove they want a championship by their actions not by their words.

  • Jazz Oldtimer
    Dec. 21, 2008 11:35 a.m.

    Boy,I`d hate to be in the position to have to defend miles everyday,if he were doing what he should be doing,there would be no need to defend him.just my opinion

  • JazzFan4ever
    Dec. 21, 2008 10:55 a.m.

    Pick on CJ time.

    He's young and he will learn.Jazz for the most part played well and are still getting healthy and gelling.Let's hold off judgement until after the bucks if they get that win it was a good trip at 3-2 above 500 on the road. I think if they were better rested at Chicago it would have been closer and you can't hold it against them losing to the team with the best record on the road.
    Leave boozer be he has to be 100 percent before he can play with what happened in the past.It was probably all the hyped up fans that caused him to come back to early last time.As you can tell williams is still not 100 percent as he has lost some quickness it takes time to heal.Not everyone can heal as fast as some of these super human fans:)

  • Playoffs?
    Dec. 21, 2008 10:47 a.m.

    If the playoffs started today the Jazz would not be in them. You people better get on board and do some rooting or you will have another early summer vacation.

  • Guard Combo's
    Dec. 21, 2008 10:37 a.m.

    When it comes to guards in the NBA and the starting 2 guards on various teams I think we are at the lower end. When I say that I mean the point guard and #2 guard. We just don't measure up with most of the good teams. Yes we do with part of the combo in D-Will, but the other half is lacking. Ben Gordon who also lit us up last night, is an unrestricted free agent this next year and I for one would love to see him playing for the Jazz. He can do it all. Score, pass, rebound, and play the point if needed.

  • Re : Miles the Stander..
    Dec. 21, 2008 10:13 a.m.

    Spin the stats anyway you wish....botom line...MILES= no effort==no heart

  • Ad Hoc
    Dec. 21, 2008 10:04 a.m.

    The Jazz can't keep perimeter players from getting to the basket. Defense is a test of will, and the Jazz don't have the will to play both ends of the floor the entire game. That's why they're OK, not good. On their best days, that's why they're good, not great. In the twenty years I've watched the Jazz, this is the most talented group they've had top to bottom. If the grittier (Millsap has true grit by the way) Stockton/Malone era alums had this level of talent to go with their will, the Jazz would have more than one championship banner hanging in the rafters. "We'll get 'em next time" is too often the rallying cry of this group.

  • Keith Suds..... @CJ
    Dec. 21, 2008 9:42 a.m.

    Phenominal Athlete
    Bubble Gum
    Three Pointer
    Vidio Games
    Standing around
    Silly Business

  • Re:CJ"stander"Miles
    Dec. 21, 2008 9:45 a.m.

    Nice job of editing the stats. Whats your purpose in leaving out the 2 steals, one block and only 1 turn over in 34 min. Here is the "un edited" version of C.J. and Korvers stats for last night.

    Min. Fg 3pt. ft. re. as.stl. blk. to. pts.
    Korver: 17 2-5 0-0 1-1 0 1 0 0 1 5
    Miles: 34 4-6 0-1 2-2 2 1 2 1 1 10

  • Acceptable
    Dec. 21, 2008 9:31 a.m.

    I guess I'm some what different than most of you but I thought the effort and intensity was there last night. I don't like to whine but there was a couple of calls that really hurt, or no calls. We just got beat. Chicago played a great game. You are going to get beat in this league sometimes even with a good effort, it's just the NBA. This Derrick Rose is already a top 5 point guard in this league. What a rookie! Chicago is going to be a real good team come playoff time if injuries don't hit them. So overall I'm happy with the Jazz and their effort last night. Nice game guys.

  • No production...
    Dec. 21, 2008 8:43 a.m.

    from the 2/3`s,it`s like playing 3 against 5,Brewer started out strong but is fading,Miles....what can you say....plug Almond in at the 2 or 3 give him a shot,then give Korver a shot,amongst the 4,(Brewer,Almond,Miles,Korver)one NEEDS to step up...PLEASE,or send them all to Milwaukee for Redd

  • CJ "the stander" Miles
    Dec. 21, 2008 8:06 a.m.

    34 minutes,10 points,2 rebounds,1 assist,another typical night

  • Chukar
    Dec. 21, 2008 8:00 a.m.

    IDJazz...... I agree with you that opponents guards are scoring way to easily especially on DWill, and putting other players in foul positions. Could somebody please go to the deep corners and contest the three. Three guys on the weak side and one on ball side, shooters around the league lick their chops when the Jazz come to town. I'd like to see a better play to set up our three point shooters. Frustrating GO JAZZ

  • CJ ...still watching...
    Dec. 21, 2008 7:37 a.m.

    The most frustrating thing about miles is that he has the talent and physical ability to play defense and rebound a bunch better than he does,not a bad kid,just no desire/heart

  • Eddie
    Dec. 21, 2008 7:35 a.m.

    Sloan is complaining about 3 point shots. With less than two minutes and down six, you don't win ball games with the pick and roll. Utah has one, D Will, that drives for the basket with any success. Yet he does not do it enough. Look at the paint points. Great high point players drive for the basket, make it, get fouled or both. We lose too many games because of the lack of 3 pointers, but Sloan will never promote 3 pointers. He's the one who needs to take a hike.

  • standing around
    Dec. 21, 2008 12:59 a.m.

    my observation of cj, standing there with the game on the line, when in a position to make a play; i'm not posting again for awhile, a long time; i can't keep posting about cj standing around, i don't want to see our jazz men standing around on the court, leave that for other teams, that don't make the playoffs, other teams where every player is out for himself; not our jazz, we're one for all, if you're at a game and you're a fan, you need to let those guys know; cj needs to be reminded, every jazz fan just wants to see him be excellent, for the improvement of his game, it gets good marks, i'm not going to post about cj again until he's consistently playing good, i mean, defense, help d, rebounding, steals, blocks-he got back on a couple of plays, i remember one time he kind of jogged back and the guy blew right by him, luckily the guy missed the layup, but that jogging back wasn't consistent with the kind of effort he had at other times. the jazz can't afford to have players out there who aren't at a high level of intensity.

  • Was sloan feeling generous?
    Dec. 21, 2008 12:52 a.m.

    Miles may have made a bit more effort at some point, but not enough to be playing down the stretch of a WINNABLE game. Not sure if Sloan was just giving him an opportunity to see what he would make of it? I understand that... but shouldn't he be trying to win the game FIRST? The team was NOT in synch late in the game, and Sloan just seemed content to stand by and watch...

  • Rebounding
    Dec. 21, 2008 12:23 a.m.

    Our small forwards and guards (all included) are not rebounding good enough right now for us to win these kind of games. Memo and Milsap can't get 20 each. The guards and small forwards need to block out and hit the boards.

    Against many match ups, I think Price is the better back up at point. Knight hurts us defensively because of his size against against bigger match ups. Price usually grabs a few rebounds for his minutes, when he get minutes.

    We miss alot of what Boozer brings to the court when he is on the court and it is nice to have both he and Milsap. But for even what Boozer is making now he is a huge gamble not worth taking.

  • miles
    Dec. 20, 2008 11:53 p.m.

    cj just stood there as rose drove the ball around the screen and went in for the game winning lay up, he didn't even take a step towards rose, or lift an arm; you'd think the way that rose was driving and at least, with the game on the line, he'd be looking to get a steal or help on d, which he was in a position to do, but didn't; and that's what i'm critical of, and what cj needs to learn, sloan played him at the end of the game, and he made sloan look like a fool for doing it; yeah, korver or harpring might not be as quick and long, but at least those guys would've had their head in the game enough to know the situation and they would've tried to do something, instead of standing there; i thought basketball was a team game; yeah cj played better, but since i probably watch him more closely than anyone else, i notice those things, and I'm tired of these same old observations. if i watched the other players as closely i'm sure i could find something to be critical of, but this was pretty obvious.

  • magnus
    Dec. 20, 2008 11:08 p.m.

    Not much suprise tonight, the Jazz just ran out of gas in the fourth.

    I hope Boozer is fine adn the MRI is negative, I'd really like to see him back in teh lineup. The group we have now is playing pretty well but I think Boozer would be a great addition.

    And how about that Paul Millsap?! I think the initial estimates of him getting mid level exception offers are looking a little low, I'm betting he gets something in the 5 year $50 mil range before next season. It will be impossible for the Jazz to sign Boozer for any more than he is making now and still be financially viable, even that would put the Jazz in Luxury Tax territory. The more I look at it though the more I think that a Championship calliber roster is going to cost around $80 Mil in todays NBA. If Miller isn't willing to spend that kind of cash then I don't think he is serious about winning a Championship.

  • IDJazz
    Dec. 20, 2008 11:04 p.m.


    Before New Jersey and at New Jersey CJs main focus had been offense first and has struggled defensively. Sloan even mentioned that he wanted CJ and Brewer to stay back and help rebound the ball yet CJ was off and running on opponent shots. In a Sloan system at least at SG, SF, and Center you are expected to play defense first. With a shoot first mentality in a Sloan system earns you bench time and even run off the team.(Giracek)

    Tonight I think CJ finally has understood the message. His defense was great and he was thinking defense first, he had deflections and passed the ball well. His offense looked more like it flowed tonight because of what he did on defense. If he keeps the mentality he had tonight he will demand more playing time.

    About your comment on guard defense. Whats new!!! Brewer, AK, DWill, always struggle against good scorers. I know People think Boozer, and Memos defense stink but most of there fouls come from fouls on trying to defend there guy as well as the guards man coming in the lane uncontested.

  • Miles
    Dec. 20, 2008 10:00 p.m.

    Gordon and Rose go for 50 tonight. Last night Iverson and Hamilton go for 68. Hummmm......And Miles plays no defense. What about DWILL, Korver and Brewer? Can our guards stop anyone from scoring?

  • Looz the BOOZ!!
    Dec. 20, 2008 9:58 p.m.

    Yeah, I caught the highlights on ESPN and they said Boozer is having a third MRI...just leave already you over-paid lazy sally!! All they need is someone with some heart that can play d that will help D-wil and Millsap! Start packing LOOZER