what a bunch of ingrates you people are
This is good news, now just go out and hire a good OC - it will bring in more
recruits if you do!
Utah's defense is still open.
I'm one ute fan who thought a lot of our offensive problems were because of
Ludwig. I think next year will be tough for us, losing both coordinators, but in
the long run, I'm glad he's gone. We'll definitely miss Anderson
Kansas State is not a step up! What is happening in Whitville. Word is, he's
The 2nd Tier MWC is 6-1 against the mighty PAC-10. Also how about that power
house WY program beating Tenn.Yes Utah, TCU, BYU, BSU are 2nd Tier
to FL, OK, OH, Bama, USC and the likes but not to teams like ND, Oregon, Old
Miss, FL Sate, VTech, PITT, BC, etc.So come off your high horse and
play a Home-and-Away series with the 2nd Tier Utah. Why won't OK and FL play on
the Smurf field in Boise?
Don't you have anything new to say? I swear I read this on an earlier Ute
thread. Yes we've heard it before Bama is going to roll all over us
because our defense and offense sucks... BLAH BLAH BLAH.Sucks to be
BYU allowing our weak O and D to smack them around 48-24... yea it was a close
game at the end of 3rd but unfortunately for BYU football is played in 4
Qtrs."This won't be like playing PITT!"We know already,
it's even going to be tougher then the 6-5 84 MI team. Actually UofA is even
better then 84-MI. #4 Bama or 7-5 UofA... you can have the Vegas
You really should get your facts straight... While it's true that
Utah hasn't dominated the last 50 years, you claim that Utah disappeared after
1964.. The truth is that between 1964 and 1972, Utah won 5 out of 7 meetings.
They only won 2 games between 1972 and 1992, and that's a pretty
impressive run by BYU.. Just don't try to imply something that's not true by
extending it almost a decade longer than the truth. In reality, the
Utes are 23-27 in the last 50 years. It also will take a few years before we can
improve that record, because the first 7 games in that 50 year series were Ute
victories. However, what matters is this: 3-2 in the
last 5 years5-5 in the last 10 years9-6 in the last 15 yearsand most importantly.. 12-0 this year.
What a bunch of insecure "precious" ones, worrying about how the University
baseball cap they wear will affect their own self-esteem.
Hire Van Orden from Timpview. He's an offensive genius.
"who want Doman to come here. He is an awful coach and really doesn't know what
he is doing."Agreed. Doman coached the interception king...what's
"Please explain how Utah has "dominated" most of the last 50 years.Your comment implies that BYU has dominated the last 50 years. You people
talk like BYU is Notre Dame, Penn State, Alabama, etc. Such arrogant, mindless
fools.Yes, BYU has done those things thing you noted in your post
but is has been over the last quarter century. That does not equate to
domination it denotes nothing more that a flash in the pan. Have
fun in LV. The real money will be coming courtesy of the University of Utah.
you commented that the offense ran best when BJ was running the show on his own.
I think you're missing one critical point on that. The offense really only ran
best when the other teams were playing the Prevent defense in the last 2 minutes
of the game. When the DB's lay off the LOS 15 yds and leave the WR's wide open
for short passes it's pretty easy to look like a genius, BJ's grandma could have
made those throws.
who want Doman to come here. He is an awful coach and really doesn't know what
he is doing.Utah will be fine. Kyle has a program going
Predictions for 2009:USU 49, UofU 3USU 51, BYU 6I don't even know if they play each other. Either way, GO AGS.
48-24 12-0 BCS 10-17 final minute 31-33 final second41-34 overtime52-21 12-0 BCSHow sweet it is to be a Ute!
"BYU 1-20 vs ranked teams in last 9 seasons"And BYU still has more
Top 25 finishes than Utah in those 9 seasons.
Even with returning players, it's tough to lose coaches. I do like
the Brandon Doman thing. Good mind. It would be interesting to see how many
Cougar fans would hate him as soon as he left BYU.We all know their
feelings about Whit.
How about | 4:59 p.m. Dec. 18, 2008 Jim Fassel? I'm sure he won't mind
becoming an OC for a while. ====================================================I would really
like that but I think that he is in love with the pro game and there might be
too much ego clash to make it work. But, man, the guy can design an offense!!
"most of that 50 (other than in the 70's & 80's) was complete domination by
Utah"Sorry to burst your misinformed bubble, but Utah hasn't
dominated since Utah won the Liberty Bowl in 1964.After that, Utah
all but disappeared for the next 28 years, until 1992. (That alone is more than
half of the last 50 years.) No conference championships. No national rankings.
No bowl games. No 10+ win seasons. And 6-22 versus BYU. In fact, Utah had a
losing record overall for that entire 28-year period. From 1972 to 1992 (21
years), Utah only won TWO games against BYU.In the last 20 meetings,
BYU and Utah are 10-10. Since 1993, BYU still has a better overall record, more
conference titles, more 10+ win seasons, and more top 25 finishes than Utah.BYU won a national championship and individual players have won numerous
national honors, including the Heisman Trophy. A Utah player has never won a
national honor.Utah has a couple of BCS games and a string of bowl
wins over mediocre teams, average record 8-4, the same as Air Force this season.
That's it!Please explain how Utah has "dominated" most of the last
Jim Fassel? I'm sure he won't mind becoming an OC for a while.
Played 3 teams with winning records this year. They lost to 2 of them by 25
points and then 24 points.Now they are laughing at the Utes?Utah
will earn more money in the Sugar bowl for BYU than BYU will earn for themselves
in the Vegas Bowl.BYU 1-20 vs ranked teams in last 9 seasons.
So at QB utah has a huge log jam, with the new juco they just signed they have
six eligble QB prospects.Corbin LouksChad ManisJordan
WynnGriffin RoblesDevonte ChristopherTerrance Cain.Cain is a 4 star, Robles and Wynn are three star QB prospects.Running back they have Asiata returning, plus Stowers got an extra year. WR they still have Aiona Key and Jeremy Brooks.And nearly
the entire Defense is returning. Kruger, Misi.. plus the five star recruit
James Aiono.Let's look at BYU.. 4 new offensive line guys who
haven't played a snap in two years. Collie may leave for the NFL (then he can
Alex Smith is looking for a new gig.
To all of the cougette fans out there who are predicting the demise of the Utes
next year, National Champs.net has come out with their 2009 college football pre
season rankings. Let me see here, the Utes are ranked #17. Let me look at the
top 25 again, because i am just not seeing the y in there. oh yeah, because they
are not in it! Utes will be fine without Ludwig, we are not going to miss anyone
who would call a fumblerooski in the 4th quarter of a tight game (TCU). Not
worried about the y and their speedy (4.8 40) secondary either! The closest
thing the cougies will ever get to the BCS is the checks that they get from the
Utes. Go Utes!!!
Ummm, deep seeded would be putting seeds in your garden. Try deep seated
emotional issues.Try going back through all the posts on this thread
and reading ALL the nasty Cougar fan drivel. If you have been
watching Utah & BYU for 50 years, most of that 50 (other than in the 70's &
80's) was complete domination by Utah or very even (as the series has been since
the early 90's).Imagine this - if you think the Crimson Tide will
"ROLL" Utah, then what would they do to the kitties? Scary to think based on
your logic. BTW, how did you arrive at that logic that Bama will "ROLL." Oh,
right, like every bitter beer face Cougar fan it is an emotional reaction, not
based on any objective assessment. The only team being served humble
pie right now are the Cougars and their fans. They were on top for a long time
and had gotten very arrogant. I've been watching this series for over 30 years
myself as a Ute fan, and I've seen BYU rub it in Utah's face on countless
occasions during that time (BYU's 70-21 drubbing of Utah in Jim Fassel's last
it is a job people and there is nothing wrong with moving on for more money.
The best of luck to him at Kansas State.
Don't slam the door on your way out.
See, I have been watching BYU/Utah for the past 50 years. Utah was so very
mediocre for so long, that they finally have something to be proud about, why
not let them.With the Utah fans, it never was about the Utes, it has
always been about BYU, and how they match up.I always thought that
most BYU fans took the wins with class, but there were a few obnoxious, arrogant
BYU fans, but they were just people with simple minds.Watching the
Ute fans over the past few months, it's become quite obvious that the Utah Fans
have deep seeded emotional issues. I have never read so many classless arrogant
posts, even on the BYU boards. I sure hope the basketball season
mellows you Ute fans out, because you have all become unsufferable.You should have learned from BYU. You won't be on top forever, and when you
come down, don't start whining again about BYU fans.You Utah fans
have earned a huge slice of humble pie, and I am guessing that the BYU fans are
ready and waiting to serv it to you.For your sake, I hope Bama
doesn't ROLL like I think they will.
1) If Kyle wanted him that bad he would not have been the only coach on the
staff who did not get a raise. 2) Anderson left because he was given an
opportunity to be a head coach (who would not do that)3) "Sinking Ship
that is why coaches are leaving". 12-0 is not a sinking ship!!!!! It is good
news for Utah because it indicates the Head coach is planning on staying for a
while.4) There are pleanty of OC who would like to coach at Utah. Kyle
will find a decent replacement with or without the help of Urban.5) LAST
BUT NOT LEAST AS STATED BY A COUGAR FAN IN AN EARLIER POST (COACHES 10:08) BYU
COACHES ARE STAYING PUT BECAUSE NO BODY IS MAKING OFFERS. (IF YOU HAVE READ THE
PAPERS TWO OF YOUR BEST PLAYERS COLLIE AND JORGENSEN ARE LOOKING AT THE DRAFT.
STRONG INDICATOR THAT THEY DO NOT BELIEVE NEXT YEARS TEAM WILL BE THAT GREAT!)
Yeah, I see a trend. We get to the BCS every 4th year and BYU continues its
quest for bowl mediocrity every year. I'll take winning 7 straight bowl games
and 2 BCS bowl appearances in 4 years any day.Bad logic there
3 mediocre years of Ute whining and 1 great year,Another 3 mediocre years
of Ute whining and 1 great year,Hey Ute fans, do you see a trend
Andersen just recieved commitments from two players at USU.Ludwig
and Andersen have their new schools best inerest at heart.Shouldn't
Andersen be working on the Sugar Bowl?Why are they even involved
with the Sugar Bowl? Let's bring up some Utah Men coaches to take over now!!!
Kind of like the idiot Cougar fans who trashed Norm Chow for so long? Norm went
on to have quite a bit of success after leaving the Zooblanders didn't he
Mike.Ludwig drives most of us season ticket holders crazy because
there is no continuity or consistency in the play calling. There were so may 2
or 3 down and 1 calls that were halfback passes or throws down the field that
should have been "get the first down" plays.Mike, give it a rest,
Cougar fans were even calling for Lavell's head in his last few years, or maybe
you are too young to remember that.
To all those who are defending Ludwig: We aren't saying he is a bad coach. He
has designed a good system. He CALLS a bad boring game. He plays are well
designed but used at the wrong time. We run when we should pass, pass when we
should run. Really, I think he has decided what play to run two days before the
game. He is a classic example of one that fails to adapt to changing
@:RE:115 Posts | 10:04 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008 "LOL, you can't even add at
Utah? 30+70=100 for most folks."Take the 100 that you came up with,
now subtract that from 115. 115-100_____15 posts
actually on-topic.I'll help you with math.
"Why would you leave the storied program of yewtah, twice the BCS busters, to go
to a bottom-feeder in the Big 12 where you will virtually never have a chance at
a conference title playing against the likes of OU and UT?" Alex, it
might do you well to actually watch more than college football team...or at the
very least, do a little research. I thought you were supposed to be trivia
smart.Kansas State's shots at a Big XII championship:1998: #10 Texas A&M rallies from a 27-12 deficit to edge top-ranked Kansas
State 36-33 in DOUBLE OVERTIME. 2000: #1 Oklahoma edged #7 Kansas
State, 27-24.2003: Kansas State upset #1 Oklahoma 35-7 for 1st Big
XII Conference Championship. Since 1998, Kansas St. has played
for 3 Big XII conference championships, going 1-2. Their 2 losses were by a
combined 6-pts. All those championships occurred under Coach Bill Snyder. Now
that Snyder has decided to come back out from retirement, it is conceivable they
may be competitive again shortly.
The idiot Yewt fans have trashed Ludwig for so long, it's a wonder he didn't
leave before this.
Kansas State was one of the best programs in the country just a few short years
ago. Remember the team that BYU fans always brag about beating in the Cotton
Bowl under Stevie Sark? K StateLudwig wants an opportunity to coach
in a BCS conference and Snyder will only be there 1-3 years at the most. AL
might have a shot at replacing him as the head coach.That Titanic
you refer to is about to dock in New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl while your
storied program plays the Arizona (yes we lost to New Mexico)Wildcats in the Who
Cares bowl. I'll stay aboard that ship any day; you can have your beloved
Cougar 10 win seasons and no still no BCS. Coaches leave good
programs because they are in demand. Dan Mullen from Florida and your beloved
Sark leaving USC for Washington are just 2 examples.Keep trying
kitties, your arguments are sounding more desperate all the time.
Get a life zoobie. Did you happen to notice that Utah's offense averages 405
yards per game? FYI, the defense doesn't contribute to those numbers.Ludwig is a terrific offensive coordinator that has had excellent success
throughout his career. Andersen has had the same success. Congrats to both!Utah will represent the MWC just fine. The game will be close and the
Utes defense will match up very well with the Tide offense. Anyone that thinks
it will be a blowout is probably a Utes hater from the bubble.SEC
teams sit home during non-conference part of schedule playing 7 or 8 home games.
Put them on the road for half their games like other conferences and they
wouldn't be sitting so firmly on top of the bcs world. I'd like to see college
football require every team to play six games at home and six games on the
road.I'm tired of seeing bitter Cougar fans jumping on the "Tide"
bandwagon. I've had season tickets at Utah for over 20 years (both football and
basketball). I have NEVER cheered against BYU when they play in bowl games,
NCAA basketball tourney or against BCS teams.GO MWC!!
re: Alex Trebek | 10:52 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008 >>Just another sad
commentary on the yewt program. It is a sinking ship and the rats are getting
off of it as quickly as they can!
Just another sad commentary on the yewt program. It is a sinking ship and the
rats are getting off of it as quickly as they can! Why would you leave the
storied program of yewtah, twice the BCS busters, to go to a bottom-feeder in
the Big 12 where you will virtually never have a chance at a conference title
playing against the likes of OU and UT? Maybe Ludwig knows something about Whit
and his program that we don't. Looks like the Titanic has hit the iceberg...
Isn't it funny how much the Zoobie Patrol comes out in force when Utah has
success and their coaches are truly in demand (unlike the TDS)? Utah's
assistant coaches aren't poorly paid, though they can make better money
elsewhere, just like BYU coaches if they were truly in high demand.Then they run their smack about getting destroyed by Bama with no basis in
reality, statistics or facts to justify such a ridiculous claim. Even most of
the BCS national pundits agree that the Sugar Bowl will be very competitive.
The Zoob train, complete with hatred and envy of Utah's success, has
left the sanity station and let their frustration of never getting to the BCS
cloud their judgment even more than it normally is.Utah will be very
competitive in the Sugar Bowl and next season. Andy Ludwig was not a phenomenal
signal caller, anyone who watched the games every week could see it. Any OC
Utah hires will run the spread and have good players to run it.Zoobland, go back to your cages and quit frothing at the mouth.
Some at KSU thought the team needed a coaching change... so out went Snyder and
in came 2 years of pitful football. Careful what you wish for Utes.
You may wish you had him back some day.
Does this Kansas State have a mental disorder? Ludwig is a boring coach. This
season when the team need to drive they went to no huddle thus removing Ludwig
from the equation. BANG! Success! Perhaps he won't be calling the plays. I
guess he designed a good offense, but he can't run it. I don't think he was
even watching the game when he made his calls.All that being said,
best of luck to you Andy. Every time I see someone run a 2 yard out on 3rd and
18 I'll think of you.
I'm a BYU fan but something sticks out to me as quite telling in all this
coaching hoopla. Utah's coaches are dropping like flies for better offers (At
least more $$$, not so sure about the "better offer" part - Andersen) while a
recent article said BYU's coaching staff is staying put for next year.I might be wrong but I'm guessing Utah's coaches are all getting offers for
more $$$ because they're not too shabby. Does that say anything about our
coaches not getting better offers???Just thinking...
LOL, you can't even add at Utah? 30+70=100 for most folks. Course, you guys
all know better because you've won your way to the rights to be known as
reincarnation of Hawaii at this year's Sugar Bowl blowout.
I agree that Chow and Crowton have better jobs now and would most likely not
come back to Utah as OC. However, Brandon Gregg was let go as HC of Bowling
Green in late November. Why do you think his name is coming up? He is also on
the short list for the OC at Virginia. Get a clue buddy! He has experience with
the spread and I would bet it would be more similar to Urban's style of the
spread which is what was so successful in 2004.
Does he have to coach in the Sugar Bowl?As for the BYU fans
commenting on next season, good luck slow guys.
Sorry guys it doesn't look like 'Bama is going to let you guys hang around so
QUEEN Louie can come and bail you out....Your offense is actually going to have
to pull its own weight because I promise "Bama's offense isn't going to turn the
ball over and let you're defense score 3 or 4 times. Utah's Hi-powered
offense = the defense needs to score atleast 4 times(You guys have read the
stats right, that you're defense has almost as many points as your
offense...that's not a compliment). Utah doesn't have a offense and it will be
great to see the boys down South stuff you guys all game. This won't be like
playing PITT! UTAH: 12 (all queen louie's)Bama: 50
Whatever people's complaints about any of the coaches, it's too bad that a group
that has become so successful has to disband. I'm not a fan of
Utah, but it's sad that such a great year has to be answered with big coaching
questions for the next.
You people are amazing.Norm Chow?Gary Crowton?Brandon
Gregg??All have better jobs now than this one will ever be. Why
would any of them want it? Some of you have no connection with reality.
Like a Graduate Assistant from Florida?.....LOL!
WOW!!! Utah has become the new doormat of coaching!! What ever happened to
loyalty?!...oh wait but we can make ourselves feel better by saying we're
breeding great coaches!!...I'm so glad we were graced with that Urban Myer for 1
The Utes next OC s/b Steed Lobotzke currently at Wake Forest JMO.As
for Ludwig, he can take his inconsistency & indecisiveness to Buddokhan,
Kansas... I can safely say that having been to Manhattan where is KSU is.I wonder; is Norm Chow @ UCLA? If not, he can always return to his alma
should be on the staff somewhere, maybe not as a Cordinator but at least be the
QB coach. How about Coach Dupaix at Skyline High? I think he would
do well at the College level.
I read a story about BYU, and the comments are filled with Yewt trolls running
their mouths. Then I read one about Utah, and the Zoobie trolls abound. You all
need to get a life, and realize your interdependence. Both would have better
programs if you would save your animosity for the week of the big game, and root
for each other the rest of the time. Of course, that would be a little much to
Coach Whit will be consulting with Urban Meyer on this hire. Urban is always the
Utes ace in the hole. I am sure Urban knows of some great talented coaches that
would love to work at Utah.
If you Utah fans want to join the big boys you have got to get over being
The coordinators leaving Utah will have little effect on the outcome of the
Sugar Bowl. The same game plan will be instituted, the players will play with
the same fire and basically the same plays will be called. If it were the head
coach leaving it would be different. When a program succeeds and the
coordinators get raises, promotions, or better job offers it makes them easier
to replace than if they are fired. I look forward to seeing the Utes clash with
the Crimson Tide.
30 by BYU trolls, and 70 by arrogant Utah fans complaining about the trolls.
Have we finally sunk that low, Utah Brothers.I do not feel
comfortable going into a BCS Bowl game with an OC and DC who are coaches at
other schools. It's like the year Steve Fisher took over at Michigan
and won the NCAA's on an interim HC basis, because Bo Schemblecher, then the AD
wanted a Michigan Man coaching his team.Sure they want to finish
what they started, but bring up a hungry Assistant and let them prove
themselves. They know the system.I really dont want our BCS ruined
by the OC at Kansas and the HC of Utah State. Letting them coach is a real
I'm happy to see Mr. Ludwig come to K-State. By the sounds of the fans here he
was underappreciated at Utah. He will finally get the pay he deserves at a BCS
school with potential to play the big-boys. Looking forward to seeing him under
Coach Snyder. Go Cats!
You're a singular voice of reason in a vast, barren wilderness.
A stagnant offense will become worse!
He clearly cared only about $$ and not Utah. The only reason Utah succeeded was
because of veteran players. Losing big time coaches and big time players will
equal a bad season next year. The DC is totally distracted doing something he
appears to want to do more. With all these coaches going everywhere, no one
will be focused. Sorry, but Utah will not even get close to beating 'Bama.
You guys don't know what you're talking about when you say that BJ calls better
plays by himself. Those calls are still coming from the booth, they are just
hand signaled in. Ludwig is a good OC and was never appreciated. It reminds me
of the Norm Chow situation. I'm not saying that Ludwig is Chow, I'm just saying
that he is under-appreciated.
Ute and cougar fans are both hilarious. You guys both talk like the mountain
west is big time football (what a joke). BYU has beaten no one and utah beat a
completely overhyped oregon state team at home who was 2 and 3 at the time. TCU
is vastly overrated and it cracks me up. Remember people we play in the Mountain
West a 2nd tier conference, lets get some perspective. TCU has played 1 quality
opponent this year and was down 28 to 0 before i could blink. Just be grateful
that the utes got a gift invitation and they have the rule you can't take 3
teams from the same conference to a BCS game.
It is unbelievable to me how critical some are of Andy Ludwig. He has a great
track record as an OC (dominant at Fresno State and CONSISTENTLY good throughout
his career). I am sick and tired of reading all of this negative stuff about
him. The Utes haven't had a really talented offense since Ludwig has been here,
yet the Utes have always had a formidable offense. Didn't this article say that
they led the league in scoring? Who do you guys suppose that falls on? I read
someone on this board say that the Utes are better when Brian Johnson is calling
the plays. How do you know when he is calling the plays? A college qb may
audible a few times a game, but those are pre-determined audibles, set up by the
OC in advance- that the qb is supposed to make when he sees a certain look from
the defense. So, essentially, BJ is never calling the plays. I'm sure that you
assumed BJ was calling the plays in the "no-huddle," that's not true. The Utes
go into each game with designated two-minute-game plays that they can flash to
BJ from the sideline.,,
I'm glad Ludwig is going. The points per game were a result of a dominant
defense, not explosive offense. The PPG stats are misleading. Kyle didn't give
Ludwig a raise before this year and he did give Anderson an increase. I think
that speaks volumes about the lack of confidence in Andy's system. In the long run, we'll end up with a better OC who runs the spread the way it
was intended, not the schizophrenic hybrid Ludwig has been running the last few
years.I wish Andy well and hope he has success. He is a great guy
and a decent coach, but expectations will be lower at K State and he has a
chance to move into the HC position there.As for all you TDS fans
displaying your Ute envy once again, I don't see too many teams raiding your
coaching staff. I guess Max's 6 turnovers didn't impress too many schools
looking for an OC.
should be called on a humanitarian mission to be OC and the Utes won't even need
to pay him......LOL!
And the Trolls catch a couple of fish. It is amazing that some of us continue
to take the stink bait.
Yeah kinda funny how your coach was a Y coach and your new d-coordinator.
Good luck to him. Utah was never know for a consistent offense, it was their
defense that won them so many games, so hopefully the Utes can get even better
on offense next year? Does not sound like he will be greatly missed by Utah
fans, so no wonder he left. I think he left Oregon before they threw him out of
To all those Yner fans who seem to live in a time Machine that moves back and
forth from 1984 to "next year". . . get a life. After a strong 3rd place finish
and a combined LOSING score of 80 to 31 vs. Utah and TCU it seems that you'd
have more to yap about than any Ludwig. GOOD LUCK Andy and Thanks!
To all the cougs fans commenting on the board, you should just be satisfies with
your las vegas bowl and leave the real talk to the big boys. AND FYI when your
a successful program like the U it creates jobs for other coaches. The truth is
no one wants any Y coaches because they are all terrible starting with Bronco
Good riddance, although in a business where building relationships through your
coaching network I find it hard that Kyle can call on the services of a talented
Off Coord. Who does he know?! All of his coaching career in Idaho and Utah does
not give me confidence that we are going to get a winner. I'm sorry Kyle, but
you were lucky to have talented kids even though underachieved played through
the offensive mess that Ludwig taught.
Who are all these hateful cougar fans? I guess I'm missing something. Bitter?
Don't think so. Angry? What about? Jealous? Don't think so. Three 11 win seasons
in a row. I'll take that any time. Next year is looking really promising. I
can't wait for the fall. Good luck to the Utes next year! Should be interesting how BYU and Utah rebuild next year. By the way, The
Quest for Perfection had nothing to do with going undefeated, but a quest for
the players to perfect their position mastery.
I am not sad to lose Ludwig. The O seemed to only play well for more than a
half 3 times this season. The Utes dodged a bullet the way the inconsistent O
did not bite them.However, saying that he took the job to enable him
to take care of his family is ridiculous. Wasn't he pushing 200K at the U? I'm
thinking I could manage to take care of the family on that. See ya,
Andy. Feel free not to get overly conservative with the lead on Bama. Peddle
to the metal for 60!! 28 on the Tide and it could be game over.
"I will still be wearing my ute hat, but not while I'm in Provo...I tried that a
few weeks ago but I kept getting hit right in the chest with footballs. I guess
max was at practice."Probably the funniest comment I have ever
read.On a real note, Whit and staff take over a team that graduated
a bunch of guys, so basically they start fresh...They go from 7 wins, to 8, to
9, and now 12 with another BCS busting game...Call it coaching, call it
experienced players, call it what you will...but when all is said and done, Utah
coaches should be thanked for their part in helping to build the program back up
again...Whether we win or lose come Jan. 2, it will be great being
there cheering on my Utes...10-2 every year is good from our "big
brothers" down south, but maybe something should be done about the coaching that
hasn't improved the team at all...BYU has just as good players as the U (I would
say better the last 3 years, and Utah was the better team this year) but they
never seem to live up to the potential...
What do you mean a 10 win team?!? That would be BYU, we are a 12 win team. Can
you count to 12? I know you didn't really need to this year, but give it a
shot... I'll wait while you take your shoes off.
Gary Crowton or Norm Chow?
If Mike Sanford gets fired as UNLV's head coach would he be interested in coming
He wasn't bad either (and not nearly as bad as many Ute fans think). Good,
innovative offensive coordinators are hard to come by and many excellent
position coaches just don't have the overall insight and creativity to design
and run the entire offense. Although much of the criticism of Ludwig is valid,
don't expect his replacement to be an upgrade.
"Oregon State counts as a "BCS win"."So OSU at Utah is now
considered a BCS Bowl?
Ludwig owes Johnson a big fat signing bonus because without him taking over on
the two minute drills and calling the plays himself Ludwig would not have a 12-0
I think the assistant coaches are bailing out now before the rest of the country
finds out the Utes are a sham. Let's face it: the Utes will get steamrolled by
Alabama.Kyle, this is your chance!!!! GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!!!!!
Utah fans wre upset with this guy all year and he had 12-0 record. You guys
will be mad he is gone next year.
Oregon State counts as a "BCS win". Beating a team that beat USC has to count
for something!! Educate yourself a little before popping off like that. That
win was just this year.Good luck Ludwig-- I am excited for some new
"If it werent for Ludwig's geniouse the Utes would have done nothing, because
they have no one on offense except casteel and Louie sakoda."Now
that's funny, BYU getting a beat down by a no name team just makes 48-24 even
more sweet.Ludwig is a genius OF coordinator as much as you are a
genius in knowing how to use spell check.
I'm kinda mad that nobody ever wants my beloved cooger coaches.
You BOO-gars crack me up.The Utes go undefeated and other schools
offer money and/or promotions to lure away coaches who have contributed to the
success. Ever heard of D-1 football. That's kinda how the system works. But, no, no understanding of what's really going on leads to brilliant
comments about rats jumping a sinking ship, people getting out while they can,
the Utes going 1-11 next year, and my dad is bigger than you dad (or, at least,
he will be next year in Provo), etc.You guys are geniuses, for sure,
that's all I can say.
Utah...you guys are awesome!
Robbie Bosco!? NO, NO, AND, NO!!!!
Robbie Bosco? Kyle should give him a call.
You must be having a nightmare.......LOL!!Oh I get it......Wishful
You guys need to have a reality check! It doesn't matter what school you are or
what conference you are in . . . having an undefeated season is special no
matter how much you may hate some of your coaches, players, mascots,
cheerleaders, bus drivers, shoe strings, smell of the air, etc.I am
happy to get Ludwig to come coach for us at K-State. Even if he's as bad as
y'all say he is, you're still RANKED IN THE TOP 10 so you should be happy
instead of angry.Believe me, it is so much easier to fall out of the
Top 25 than it is to get back into the Top 25... not to mention the TOP TEN!
it just goes to show that the Utes is a gold mine right now. The best of luck
and I'm sure a replacement will be just as good or even better.Go
I don't know who is posting more.Kewgs or arrogant yewtes claiming
there are kewgs posting.
So by you logic The Utes have as many "quality" national championship wins as
byu....none. A win over a 6th place in the conference Michigan team doesnt
count. Just going off your logic there buddy.
Get Boylen to do this. Him or any of a large number of BYU football players,
heck more than half our staff is from BYU. Raid the Y! Promote Boylen! Go
Bring back ex-Ute O-Line Coach-- Keith Uperesa
Bill Snyder invented the spread and taught Urban Meyer. Florida's offense is
Bill Snyder's offense. Snyder will call all plays and Ludwig will learn.
Xmas did come early this year.Next year we'll put 60+ on BYU...no
wonder so many Zoobs are on here posting.
1st & goal | 6:02 p.m. Dec. 17, 2008 Are you out of your mind...Mike
Canales? He was the U of A OC for about 3 years and their offense was HORRIBLE
for most of it!Ludwig was either hot or cold with his offensive play
calling. Never consistent that is for sure! Good luck to him at K-State.
I like a lot of names which have been mentioned.Chico CanalesBrandon DomanSteve GreatwoodBrandon GreggBrian JohnsonYes, Brian Johnson. He understands the Ute offense and in my opinion,
did a better job when he was allowed to call his own plays.My top
choices, however, would be Greatwood or Gregg. However, any of them will likely
be a better coordinator than Ludwig was. A lot of Andy's calls just didn't make
How about raiding one of the co-OC's at Tulsa to replace Ludwig. Now they know
how to run a spread offense!
"Yewts will have as many quality BCS wins as the cougars do. - NONE. Pitt does
not count and Bama will be embarrasing. So keep the trash coming, but at least I
can wear my byu hat the day after the game- y'all will need to go into
seclusion."I will still be wearing my ute hat, but not while I'm in
Provo...I tried that a few weeks ago but I kept getting hit right in the chest
with footballs. I guess max was at practice.
It's a great move for Ludwig if HC is what he wants. Snyder may not be there
long. If he can return them to prominence then it could be Ludwig's job for the
taking once he leaves again.
Ludwig haters got their wish. The man who coached the Ute offense to an
undefeated season will be working at K-State next year.
finally!!! good ridence!
Utah tanked? Wins of 7, 8, and 9 in consecutive years and top 1/3 of conference
and you're calling it tanked?
Yewts will have as many quality BCS wins as the cougars do. - NONE. Pitt does
not count and Bama will be embarrasing. So keep the trash coming, but at least I
can wear my byu hat the day after the game- y'all will need to go into
This just shows how ridiculous the BCS "Big Money" system is. The Utes are
clearly the better program, but money talks. Money power created by the BCS.
Bitter and angry? LOL really? Im grateful and excited. I love my Utes. All the comments seemingly from Y fans about how bad they think the utes will
be next year...and its Utah fans that are bitter and angry?!?hmmm...doesn't add up.
"Utah tanked for 3 years after Urban left"Due mostly to injuries and
youth. Also there were far more drastic changes in coaching staff that year. I
don't think Utah will have an '04 or '08 caliber team next year. But hey might
the year after...and they will continue to be the benchmark for MWC Football.
It's what Utah fans do best.
Its all Good!I have all the faith in Kyle. He will pick a great OC
as well as a great DC. Utah will be faster, stronger and smarter than the team
down south.We have great kids with great heart. They play a complete
60 min. game and never give up regardless of how hard the battle is.I think the fans are great and are in the game for better or worse unlike
those blue fans down south who boo their own QB when he makes a couple of
mistakes due great defence presure.Well Be Just Fine its BYU I worry
about, Utah needs someone to push us, I am not sure now that the quest failed
that BYU will ever be able to come back, it was such a blow to their program to
Bring in Chico Canales. Kyle & Chico are old friends from their days as G.A.'s
at BYU. Chico will put up some serious numbers and wins!!
"Cougar fans said Utah was cooked when Urban left."Cougar fans were
right. Utah tanked for 3 years after Urban left.
Yeah we're 12-0 INSPITE of Ludwig, not because of him. Living in Oregon and
seeing the magic he worked at the UO (not) made me leary of this hire in the
first place. Several of our games this season were won by the D rather than by
the O. You TDS fans are a hoot. Can't keep your eye off (or keep
your mouths from running about) your "little brother" can you? Just a tad
jealous that we've had success this year when it was supposed to be YOUR big
year right? Enjoy the Vegas Bowl and quite possibly your win.Win or
lose I'm going to enjoy January 2nd sitting with a bowl of popcorn. Hopefully
I'll be eating it rather than throwing it at the TV because of Ludwig's goofy
play calling. At least we're playing a meaningful game.
I guess when you take care of things off the field sometimes the Lord blesses
you and miracles happen on the field.Thank goodness Ludwig is gone,
the defense is the sole reason we are 12-0 this year. Without an incredible
defense we are 7-5, 8-4 easy.
We had good offensive numbers because we had an experienced offense, not because
of the playcalling. I would contact Steve Greatwood, the offensive
line coach at Oregon. He's been phenomenal the past couple of years, and the
offense is similar.
People! Think about it...The Utes avg. 36 points a game...over 400 yards of
offense..MWC Champs, ranked 6th Nationally......Be careful what you wish for !!
"Everyone" thinks that they can call the offense better than the coach. If
thats the case, spend 2 years as a graduate assistant & work your way into that
spot. Give the guy a break !
If Brett Ratliff can be the Jets #3 QB, then Brian Johnson can surely stick on
SOMEWHERE..There doesn't seem to be too many OCs out there looking for
work, so I guess Roderick may have to be promoted (yippee, another BYU guy)Does anyone know about the OC at Weber? They had a decent offense
The U should pick up a graduate assistant from the Y. That seems to be their
best chance to win. The article said 'similar' job for Andy. He
might not even be the OC. Good luck in the Sugar Bowl. You have a
good chance (NOT!!!)
Utah would be controlling the conference and making a bid for the BCS every year
if they could keep their staff every year they do well. They need to up their
salary's. What did Utah make from their football program this year, 3-4 million.
That's not counting what they get from the BCS. U, do you have Allen Greenspan
running your accounting department. If it werent for Ludwig's geniouse the Utes
would have done nothing, because they have no one on offense except casteel and
It's Roderick. Think about it.Andersen and Ludwig leave and neither
Roderick or Sitake take flight. It's the young guns at the helm next
season for the Utes.
Oh I bet Utah fans are loving this! They have been frustrated with the play
calling all season! Good luck to him at K State!
I agree with Fresh start.As for the replacement, I think it will be
Aaron Roderick. He has previous OC experience at SUU, knows the personnel at
Gotta love the bitter, angry, hateful Cougies running their pieholes. Jealousy
surely breeds some strong hatred from Cougietown.K-State may be
hiring Ludwig for the Utes offensive production. But do they know how much they
underachieved? Probably not.This may be good news in the long run.
I don't hate Ludwig any more.
We are nearly unbeatable.
I love to hear from the Cougar fans. You pop-off and hate on the Utes. 12-0 and
second time to the BCS... eat your hearts out. I do hope we get a coordinator
that will run Urban's offense. It sounds like all the QB's we have and are
recruiting fit that system. With the defense we have returning and most of our
offense back we will have another good year. I know the receivers and running
backs will be exceptional... I think out O-line will be fine... find us a QB and
a better O-coordinator and our offense will be good enough to have us competing
at the national level again next year.
Perhaps we'll see him next year coaching for Utah as well
great maybe we can play kanas aye.
Still on a Quest?
Good for Andy, we wish him well. This is a step up to a bigger conferenece and
a huge pay raise. I'd rather have some new blood from time to time rather than
keeping the same coaches with the same old quest.
Kyle is forcing out all of his coaches.He must have a plan.
I like the Doman idea. Utah would be unstoppable with former Cougars running
the offense, defense and not to mention the head coach.I like all
the mixing that goes on between the U and the Y. It should be a lesson to all
us fans that it's just a game.I am a Y fan, but I think the Sugar
Bowl will be close. I do think Alabama will win, but they will be surprised at
how good the U's defense plays.Utah on the other hand hasn't played
a team with the combination of speed and size that 'Bama possesses. We all know
how the Utes struggled against TCU's speed.
"More Zoobies commenting on a Ute coaching change."How do you know
they are "zoobs"? Classless still?I see most negativity coming from
Utah fans, and rightfully so.A little self absorbed, self important
today? You are like the 9th grade cheerleader thinking everyone is jealous and
talking about her, when in reality, they really don't know she exists.BTW, I have season tickets to Utah, and am sick of the arrogance of my fellow
Funny, first you Coug trolls belittle Utah for not beating teams by larger
margins, and now that the reason those games stayed close is going to leave, you
think we're going to go 5-7 next year?! Hah! With our defense
coming back essentially intact, I don't see Utah going anything less than 8-4
next year (mainly due to the road games at TCU and BYU), but if we get a
half-fast O-coord, that could easily be 10-2 or better. If I were
looking at Utah's roster as a potential O-coord candidate, I'd be foaming at the
mouth with all the talent we have next year: Asiata, Louks (or some of the
younger kids who haven't played much), Reed, Key, Wesson, 4 of 5 O-linemen, etc.
etc. etc. Go UTES!!
Thank goodness Utah got rid of Andy Ludwig. If it weren't for his incompetence,
Utah would have found a way to be 14-0 by now.
Who are you calling the 1 in 1-11?Does SBU have a football team?
Like rats on a sinking ship.
Bring in Lou Holtz as OC.The Utes are so awesome, he would be
thrilled and probably coach for free.
Utah 1-11BYU 12-0
Bring in Boylen.He's worked wonders with the Utah basketball
program, and with a record of 5-4, he won't get upset if the Utes fall back into
mediocrity and end up 5-7. He's used to it, and the fanbase seems happy with
Maybe bring in Alex Smith-Then he can at least earn him money
Brandon Doman should be the first call that Whittingham makes. We would take a
great offensive mind from our biggest recruiting rival and the individual primed
to the next OC at BY-Who. Great up and coming young coach.
It's about time!!! Now spend some of that BCS money and get an OC with some
More Zoobies commenting on a Ute coaching change. Still jealous that you don't
know what it feels like to be a BCS buster? Still living in the 80's when you
last had an undefeated team?So we lose a great defensive coordinator
and an average offensive coordinator?? Anderson's a bigger loss than Ludwig is.
Neither will have a huge impact upon leaving.No players? Spoken
like a true BYU fan who knows little about the Utes. Most of the top ranked
defense is returning. Many offensive players returning. No team? What? Get ready for another blowout next year - this time on your home
Is this why Roderick stayed?I agree with having Johnson on the staff
down the road. He won't do it right away...he'll have a chance somewhere. He's a
good drop back passer. Probably land 3rd string somewhere.
Andy is a great coach and will be missed by the team.
How many points did Utah's defense score to help the offensive statistics?
Cougar fans said Utah was cooked when Urban left. Keep hoping and enjoy the Las
Vegas Bowl. Thank you for leaving Andy Ludwig!
I agree, bring in Brandon Gregg. He has ties to the state of Utah as he coached
at Utah State and Weber State early in his career. Seems like he would be a
great fit and bring back some of the spark Meyer gave to the spread.
That's funny but what excuse does the y have for NEVER making it to a BCS Bowl
game? Zero, Zilch, None etc... GO WILDCATS! GO UTES!
Who is everyone going to complain about next season when Ludwig is gone?
Don't forget another BCS Bowl too. That would make Utah: 3BYU: 0
they should hire John Beck, he'll need a job next year.
It's a Festivus Miracle!!
Finally I didn't think that this day would come.Now maybe we can get someone
that can actually call some decent plays.
It's about time he left!
Christmas comes early for the Univ. of Utah.
Looks like most Utah coaches see an opportune time to bail in a program.Before the Sugar Bowl Beatdown, and before a 5-7 season next year.
Who will they replace him with? I would suggest Brian Johnson since it is highly
unlikely he will play at the next level or Brandon Gregg - former OC at Bowling
Green. He was OC there under Urban Meyer and was promoted to Head Coach when
Meyer left for the Utes. Seems like a natural fit with the spread.
I can't say I am horribly upset by this announcement. Even though the Utes
offense was tops in the conference in scoring, there were times they looked
completely out of sync and some of the play calls were unbelievably wierd. I
think Ludwig is a good O-cooridinator but he just out thinks himself sometimes.
If Kansas State runs a more simple offense he will do well there. Hopefully
whoever Coach Whit replaces him with can either run the spread offense better or
taylor an offense to the strengths of whichever QB wins the starting job next
year. I for one hope that either Christopher or Wynn gets QB. I'd love to get
a freshman in there that can play for a while.
Maybe now we can get someone in there who doesn't call a halfback pass on a 3rd
and 1 when we are running the ball effectively.
because you just might get it. Ludwig has gotten no love at utah. I would have
left too. I'm sure his replacement will be more than capable. If a QB emerges
in 2009 the utes will be even better than this year, thats a big if though.
Best wishes to Mr Ludwig. Let's see if we can trade up on this one. Seems to me
the Ute offense was best when BJ was running the show on his own. Go Utes!
Utah should hire Brandon Doman as OC.
Best news I have heard all year. He is too inconsistent in his play calling and
I don't trust him. Yes, I know, we are undefeated this year and all is good but
we had some very close games because of his play calling. I only wonder/worry
who we will pick up???
As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for, because it might come
I can't count how many times I've read them complaining about his play-calling.
Ludwig is smart to leave, probably a lot more money and then after the Utes get
clobbered by Bama, KSU would change their mind.
At least Utah fans will have plenty of excuses why their team tanked in 2009. No
coaches. No players. No teams. Maybe in another 5 years, they'll have another
10-win ranked team.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Kyle should bring in Brian Johnson to run the
Let's hear all the unsatisfied Ute fans shouting their praises to the football