Dont look at the words and think every thing you read is 100% correct. They did
not give you a back ground on the circumstances surrounding the issue. If you
had knowledge of the whole issue at hand you may have a more understanding of
the situation and what that officer was going through. Yes Police Officers are
on duty 24/7 however they are off duty when they are home. That officer I am
sure of is sorry for his mistakes and is willing to pay his dues. Does that
make him dishonest NO. Look at the whole picture before making a decision. We
are all human beings and all make mistakes it is how we deal with them after we
make them that makes the person. I know that officer will not make that mistake
again and will try even harder to better himself as a person. Walk a mile in his
shoes before juding another!
Thanks John,"If a person is dishonest in his personal life - against
those he has committed to and should be the most protective of - can anyone
believe he wouldn't be dishonest against Joe or Jane Q. Stranger? Of course
not."No, if you are willing to cheat on your wife and lie to your
family you will be far more capable of lying to and about people you come into
contact with while on duty."This is why adultery between soldiers
and their spouses is grounds for dishonorable discharge from the military. But
that brings up another forgotten concept to some - honor."Of course,
the idea is that if someone is willing to betray their spouse there isn't much
more necessary to betray one's country and any office one holds. If you can
cheat on your wife how much more would be needed for you to cooperate with the
enemy?You are right that perfection isn't required but an officer
who cheats on their spouse can't be trusted to not betray the public's trust.
They swore to love, honor and cherish them for eternity or death do parts them.
They promised less when taking their oath.
to believe that there aren't enough self supporting people going through the
Police Academy, out there who aren't looking for jobs with Police Agencies out
Jason asked what other profession would be punished for off job activites. I can
answer that. I am a Pharmacist. If I get involved on my own time in any illegal
drug activies, I can lose my license. THis amounts to being punished for actions
off the job.
I completely agree with your comment.
The problem we run into when we do these investigations is that there is always
deceit and out right lies when the officers are questioned. That
raises the stakes when the officer lies or tries to cover it up. That is when
the officer's integrity becomes tainted. How can you trust an officer if he/she
cannot be trusted to testify truthfully? Once this occurs you have
to look at the patterns of behavior for this officer. Is this an isolated case
or a repeat offender? Just like anyone else that has an affair -
there are no winners just broken families. Sometimes the officer loses his job
as well as his family.
We apply standards to cops that don't apply to other members of our judicial
system and society. Judges can have affairs and Deputy D.A.'s can use drugs with
no loss of their authority as attorneys. Doctors and others have issues.
"Rehabilitation" occurs in other ways that doesn't take away their ability to
earn a living in their profession. While I don't condone the negative behaviors,
POST has been reaching a bit too far in their self appointed brand of justice.
Public entities have policies to deal with criminal and non-criminal conduct and
POST should defer to them.
An officer's off duty actions should have no bearing on his job status, as long
as it doesn't effect his job and as long as his actions are not criminal. Leave
them alone, enough already. You people who think cops are 'on duty' 24 hrs a
day, are way off base and likely a bunch of hypocrites.
It IS about honesty. Does any one remember that concept? If a
person is dishonest in his personal life - against those he has committed to and
should be the most protective of - can anyone believe he wouldn't be dishonest
against Joe or Jane Q. Stranger? Of course not. It is also about
character. Remember that concept? Many of you above have apparently forgotten
these concepts. Why, I wonder? Don't you subscribe to them yourselves?Perfection? No. But a standard of honesty and character? Yes.This is why adultery between soldiers and their spouses is grounds for
dishonorable discharge from the military. But that brings up another forgotten
concept to some - honor.When the foundation is gone, the whole house
comes down with it. Sad. Very sad. For all of society.
Being a cop is different than any other job. Say your son, daughter, or other
loved one is arrested for drug possession. The arresting officer, who testifies
against your loved one in court, cheats on his spouse. Would you be absolutely
confident that the officer is completely honest, and the dishonesty he displays
in his marriage has no affect on his professional integrity? What about a judge
you go before who cheats on a spouse, or a prosecuter who is trying to put you
away for years? What about jury members?
Morality and the law are two different things. Let
them have their flings.......it is none of our business and not against the
law. Sorry folks but the supreme court has ruled... and the cops
are required to enforce the law not act like choir boys. How
about gay cops???? Wanna open that can of worms?
If a police officer is cheating on his wife and mother of his children...might
he not be open to abusing his police authority? He may even be leaving himself
open to being black mailed into abusing his authority.It's just not
a good situation. Perhaps it's good that there is a HIGHER standard for police
Yes...however a police officer has "police" powers 24 hours a day. He doesn't
STOP being a police officer just because he is "off duty".Those who
are LEO or "Law Enforcement Officers" can carry a gun 24 hours a day and the
State of Utah considers LEO to have police powers 24 hours a day. Off duty? A policer officer off duty is different from a civilian business man not
at work. You can not use the standard of civilians off work with that of an off
duty LEO.Is it right? Don't know. Just saying you can't compare.
This is a joke, what other profession do the employees get suspended for a year
for things they do away from work. You cant possibly think that away from work
affairs happen only to cops this is a huge problem at every job. Why do the cops
loose their job for it? I am all for their certification being taken away when a
crime has been committed but t o take it away when they have had an affair off
duty no matter who it is with is just dumb. Since when did POST turn into the
Every off duty officer should be considered civilian citizens subject to the
same laws as the rest of us. They are subject to the same restrictions and
weapons laws as any civilian. There should be no reason to consider an off duty
officer on duty for any reason. If they are on-call then they must be notified
before they can act as an on duty officer, otherwise, they are just another
civilian walking the streets or in their homes. It should also be a 1st degree
felony crime for the blue code mentality of the police forces that do illegal
actions to protect its own members. There should be no in-house investigations
of its officers and their conduct, on or off duty.
Why would the woman get a year suspension when the other half of the affair (the
man) received only six months. The ruling is a bit unfair don't you think?
Maybe there needs to be a citizen review board that decides the discipline
rather than officers taking care of their own. How many women are on the POST
council?BTW: the law enforcement officers are Category I officers
and as such retain peace officer status 24 hours a day, not just while on duty
for 8 hours. YES their conduct should matter 24 hours a day. How would it look
if they chose to bend or break the law for 16 hours a day while enforcing the
law for 8? Having said this, we do need to pay the first responders more money
for the risks they take in responding to calls.
If Clinton can do it, lie about it, and get away with it then why focus so much
time on an affair situation, especially off duty?I think that
officers who speed and weave in and out of traffic without displaying lights or
siren should be suspended for a year because of their disregard to public
safety. I see it everyday, a Draper City Police officer driving on
the highway near 3300 South at speeds in excess of 75 mph. A Salt Lake Officer
driving in Farmington in excess or 80 mph just because they are late for work.
Col. Duncan of the UHP told me to write down the plate number of ANY
officer who is speeding. He made it very clear in his letter that an officer
MUST display lights AND siren if they are going to drive in excess of the speed
limit. To me this is a major hazard to the communities and
highways. These ticket writing bigots need to be reported and lose rank and
money for their actions. Just call the UHP at 887-3800 and report these
cops who think they are above the law.
I agree, only in Utah. The place where everyone is perfect. For those who think
only officers should be perfect, you better look in the mirror. All police
officers will get a special place in Heaven for all the abuse they put up. I
think a mistake here and there will be forgiven. POST needs to think,
"Forgiveness" a little more and quit acting like bullies.
I think this is none of anyone's business and not a workplace problem.
Police Officers need to have integrity and loyalty on duty or off duty. No
My X worked with OPD and had an affair with one of south Ogden officer Even if
they would have lost there job's it would not have stop it. they were married.
They did not care the feel in lust. NOW they are not together. so I don't think
post needs to get involved with something like this its just a wast of time. and
lost of good officers.
What happens when an officer is in an adulterous relationship and one of the
parties acts out violently because of it. A spouse who is a victim in the past
has become a murderer or other domestic violence occurs. Then co-workers need to
respond and it creates friction. Police do not have the right to endanger the
citizens of the State. Yes people are responsible for thier behavior. However
the police should never be a catalyst. They need to be held to a higher
standard. If not there will not be any respect.
If you want to get respect you have to earn it. A police force without the
respect of the community is useless. Fellow officers should be more
upset at these offenders for tarnishing the reputation of the force.